Wuhan Coronavirus

[Box]

Ummmm....You sure about that? :D

Well, I am "pretty sure" - but just to be on the safe side - I wouldn't look under your bed unless you have someone on speed dial to rescue you in the event that I am wrong.

[rsdengler]

Don't let clowns serve you coffee or you could be in trouble
https://yowzers.com/ccdata/images/smallMain_30_347.jpg



Well, I am "pretty sure" - but just to be on the safe side - I wouldn't look under your bed unless you have someone on speed dial to rescue you in the event that I am wrong.

Ugggh...I really dislike clowns...

[7624U]

Ugggh...I really dislike clowns...

Thats the problem we all have it is only clowns to vote for!! Clown A. or Clown B.
But still Clowns.

And this has lead us down this path of disinformation (Social Media) and distrust of the Gov't all in the name of protection of the Freak show that won't give out the real numbers for this Virus infection and death rate's.

Would be nice to actually have an accurate Threat/Risk assessment of the Virus instead of the sky is falling from Fauci little.

Or getting the real Vaccine Death numbers from each Manufacture and risk factors would be a better option. Instead of blanket Vaccine propaganda.

It has started to move the needle a little in my mind like (Scooter) said all the vaccines do prevent most of the Hospitalizations, But does not stop transmissions.

All the numbers I have crunched over the past few months from state reporting of infections and deaths only used (TN) because that is where I live.

Point to 2-3% of people that contract this strain will be hospitalized because of three main factors 1. Vaccination 2. Underlying Conditions 3. Shitty Health to begin with IE Obese.

We are sitting right at 1.3% chance of death in this state currently from Data.
(Could be lower or higher because of testing or none testing don't know)

(My Opinion)

Once in the Hospital your chances actually get worst to survive, and I think this has to do with all the virus that is lingering in the Hospital and close contact with high virus loads from the newly infected spreading to the recovering people. This has happened to a few people that I know of while being weened off of Oxygen. looks like they are recovering then boom dead a week later.

[Badger52]

Once in the Hospital your chances actually get worst to survive, and I think this has to do with all the virus that is lingering in the Hospital and close contact with high virus loads from the newly infected spreading to the recovering people. This has happened to a few people that I know of while being weened off of Oxygen. looks like they are recovering then boom dead a week later.Our family doc told me recently while chewing the fat on this subject (we're in a Mayo system area) he & others in our clinic down the road are routinely referring folks who have mild or moderate symptoms for the Monoclonal Antibody treatment (aka "Regeneron cocktail") because they have often seen mild symptoms dissipate but then 10 days to 2 wks later come roaring back to cause a hospitalization. The MA treatment attacks in a different way and is used to avoid this follow-on problem - it's specifically designed, as you point out, to keep people OUT of the bug-factory of a hospital setting in the first place.

This is the regimen Trump was given, and the system DeSantis is trying to get propagated around Florida. To the public it seemed to be a new-fangled thing when Trump got it but I talked to a gal I know works over at our local infusion clinic who often is the one giving my wife blood when she's a quart low, and she's like "Pffft, Mayo's done like 7,000 of these things, the results are great. It's literally a small bag, takes 20 minutes & then we keep you for an hour to make sure you don't explode (laughter)."

Doc also mentioned it obviates the need (so far) for this perpetual subscription of boosters that seem to be getting talked about.
:munchin

[1stindoor]

...are routinely referring folks who have mild or moderate symptoms for the Monoclonal Antibody treatment (aka "Regeneron cocktail") because they have often seen mild symptoms dissipate but then 10 days to 2 wks later come roaring back to cause a hospitalization. The MA treatment attacks in a different way and is used to avoid this follow-on problem - it's specifically designed, as you point out, to keep people OUT of the bug-factory of a hospital setting in the first place....
:munchin

I am strangely surprised that the MA treatment isn't discussed more than it is. We've recently had two people in our office get COVID, plus family members, of the 4 that were diagnosed, two were candidates for the treatment and had excellent results. Several hospitals in our area will not do the treatment but several outlying clinics will. :confused:

[Box]

I'm going to share the secret with you fuckers - but this is the last time.

The cure for viral respiratory diseases caused by a SARS-associated corona-virus...
-Campbell's Chicken Noodle Soup
-Vicks DayQuil Cough and Flu
-Sprite




...everything else is just pharmaceutical profiteering.

[rsdengler]

Thats the problem we all have it is only clowns to vote for!! Clown A. or Clown B.
But still Clowns.

And this has lead us down this path of disinformation (Social Media) and distrust of the Gov't all in the name of protection of the Freak show that won't give out the real numbers for this Virus infection and death rate's.

Would be nice to actually have an accurate Threat/Risk assessment of the Virus instead of the sky is falling from Fauci little.

Or getting the real Vaccine Death numbers from each Manufacture and risk factors would be a better option. Instead of blanket Vaccine propaganda.

It has started to move the needle a little in my mind like (Scooter) said all the vaccines do prevent most of the Hospitalizations, But does not stop transmissions.

All the numbers I have crunched over the past few months from state reporting of infections and deaths only used (TN) because that is where I live.

Point to 2-3% of people that contract this strain will be hospitalized because of three main factors 1. Vaccination 2. Underlying Conditions 3. Shitty Health to begin with IE Obese.

We are sitting right at 1.3% chance of death in this state currently from Data.
(Could be lower or higher because of testing or none testing don't know)

(My Opinion)

Once in the Hospital your chances actually get worst to survive, and I think this has to do with all the virus that is lingering in the Hospital and close contact with high virus loads from the newly infected spreading to the recovering people. This has happened to a few people that I know of while being weened off of Oxygen. looks like they are recovering then boom dead a week later.

We definitely have bad choices between Clown A and Clown B, and that's the problem. Underlying conditions mixed with someone having Covid are a high cause of mortality. I don't think anyone knows the true numbers because they are skewed by pre-existing conditions that contribute, so they just lump them all together and say "Covid" was the cause of death.

I've never been tested, I haven't been sick and I don't fall into the "high" category at all. I'm definitely not a anti-vaxxer, or conspiracy theorist but I would like more extensive data. I just don't trust their information, because I feel they just want to carry this thing on, over and over, strain after strain. They always move the goal post, and that doesn't work if you're trying to get people vaccinated.

I still really, really can't stand clowns...

[1stindoor]

...I've never been tested...

Let me help you understand the test. Go home, take a meat thermometer and shove it into your nose until you're pretty sure you've punctured your brain....you're almost there. Can't help you with the clowns.

[Box]

...and if you live in a "blue" state that is clearly invested in perpetuating the threat of viral Armageddon - your test results are positive

[Badger52]

I am strangely surprised that the MA treatment isn't discussed more than it is. We've recently had two people in our office get COVID, plus family members, of the 4 that were diagnosed, two were candidates for the treatment and had excellent results. Several hospitals in our area will not do the treatment but several outlying clinics will. :confused:Yeah, that's nuts. I'll go out on a limb and say that there might be some rice bowls involved. Sounds like if the presenting symptoms are right it's worth speaking to the doc at least about a referral to another clinic, or getting some different 'underground' sources of local info.
Glad the ones you mentioned turned out well.

[rsdengler]

Let me help you understand the test. Go home, take a meat thermometer and shove it into your nose until you're pretty sure you've punctured your brain....you're almost there. Can't help you with the clowns.

Na, my luck that damn thing would get stuck up there...:D

Clowns...just darn creepy :eek:

[Badger52]

Let me help you understand the test. Go home, take a meat thermometer and shove it into your nose until you're pretty sure you've punctured your brain....you're almost there. Can't help you with the clowns.Probably mentioned before but I talked to 2 different labs in the area who process PCR's for "the machine." I found 2 folks that would actually talk about Cycle Threshold (CT), which even the Faucistas acknowledge is a problem. Although being phased out, it's still not offline till end of calendar year. The threshold is still so high that a pomegranite will test positive.

[7624U]

I'm going to share the secret with you fuckers - but this is the last time.

The cure for viral respiratory diseases caused by a SARS-associated corona-virus...
-Campbell's Chicken Noodle Soup
-Vicks DayQuil Cough and Flu
-Sprite




...everything else is just pharmaceutical profiteering.

Damn it !!! I have been drinking 1 gal per day of Tonic water for the Quinine.

Coca-Cola and Campbells Soup cures Covid-19 who would have thought !!!!
Must be all the added salt. :munchin

[Box]

Damn it !!! I have been drinking 1 gal per day of Tonic water for the Quinine.

Coca-Cola and Campbells Soup cures Covid-19 who would have thought !!!!
Must be all the added salt. :munchin

Sprite not Coke

[Badger52]

Sprite not CokeAny wiggle room for a really good Egg Drop soup?

[Box]

Any wiggle room for a really good Egg Drop soup?

Sure - if you want to make yourself vulnerable to the next dreaded Bravo Sierra variant of the disease...

Campbells Chicken Soup (not Progresso, not Trader Joes, not Great Value - CAMPBELLS)
DayQuil (not NyQuil)
Sprite (not Coke, not Pepsi, not 7 Up - SPRITE)

...quantities must be titrated to each patients tolerance level to ensure therapeutic levels of each component are reached


I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

[cbtengr]

Good news is the current variant of Covid has peaked Delta will soon be yesterday's news. The bad news is that a new one has been discovered and may be vaccine resistant. Taking on a Baskins and Robbins flair.

World Health Organization says it is monitoring new Colombian COVID variant called 'Mu' amid fears it may be vaccine-resistant as Delta infections finally slow in US

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9947327/WHO-warns-potentially-vaccine-resistant-Mu-variant-originated-Colombia.html

[Sohei]

The never-ending crisis.

[Badger52]

Good news is the current variant of Covid has peaked Delta will soon be yesterday's news. The bad news is that a new one has been discovered and may be vaccine resistant. Taking on a Baskins and Robbins flair.

World Health Organization says it is monitoring new Colombian COVID variant called 'Mu' amid fears it may be vaccine-resistant as Delta infections finally slow in US

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9947327/WHO-warns-potentially-vaccine-resistant-Mu-variant-originated-Colombia.htmlAhh, yes. There is a Sooper Double-Sekret timetable for which Fraternity gets used for which variant.

This is starting to look like some MDMP parties I've seen (and ran from).
:rolleyes:

Edit for Box: Ok, I'll bypass the cutie at the Noodle Palace and stick to the clinical specs you've laid out.

[TOMAHAWK9521]

I'm dreading the eventual onslaught of the OMEGA strain because only one of us is going to win the lottery and become the OMEGA MAN while the rest of unlucky bastards get turned into vampires with white hair, pink eye and forced to wear black hooded robes. Dammit! :mad:

[1stindoor]

I'm dreading the eventual onslaught of the OMEGA strain because only one of us is going to win the lottery and become the OMEGA MAN while the rest of unlucky bastards get turned into vampires with white hair, pink eye and forced to wear black hooded robes. Dammit! :mad:

You're showing your age...or our age. For the younger folks in the crowd, Charlton Heston. Pre "I Am Legend."

[7624U]

Could be Monkey Man instead of OMEGA man.

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00305-6?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com %2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867421003056%3Fshowall%3D true

[Badger52]

Marines have promulgated their policy (https://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/Messages-Display/Article/2761259/mandatory-covid-19-vaccination-of-marine-corps-active-and-reserve-components/) (note para 3.l especially).

Has the Army done an equivalent ALARACT or anything?

[rsdengler]

You're showing your age...or our age. For the younger folks in the crowd, Charlton Heston. Pre "I Am Legend."

Shhhhhh...Don't give my age up...:D

Could be Monkey Man instead of OMEGA man.

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00305-6?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com %2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867421003056%3Fshowall%3D true

What strain are we on now, I've lost count...

[Box]

Shhhhhh...Don't give my age up...:D


What strain are we on now, I've lost count...

We are currently fighting the dreaded "Foxtrot Echo Alpha Romeo strain" and its the worst possible cocktail you can imagine.
...some people are literally paralyzed by it.


Its also why you are afraid to look under your bed at night

[7624U]

Marines have promulgated their policy (https://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/Messages-Display/Article/2761259/mandatory-covid-19-vaccination-of-marine-corps-active-and-reserve-components/) (note para 3.l especially).

Has the Army done an equivalent ALARACT or anything?

The order was given by SEC DEF on the 24th, The Army is just slower then the Marines for getting its PAO office narrative down.

https://media.defense.gov/2021/Aug/25/2002838826/-1/-1/0/MEMORANDUM-FOR-MANDATORY-CORONAVIRUS-DISEASE-2019-VACCINATION-OF-DEPARTMENT-OF-DEFENSE-SERVICE-MEMBERS.PDF

[sg1987]

I'm dreading the eventual onslaught of the OMEGA strain because only one of us is going to win the lottery and become the OMEGA MAN while the rest of unlucky bastards get turned into vampires with white hair, pink eye and forced to wear black hooded robes. Dammit! :mad:

You may be dating yourself.....:D

[Badger52]

The order was given by SEC DEF on the 24th, The Army is just slower then the Marines for getting its PAO office narrative down.

https://media.defense.gov/2021/Aug/25/2002838826/-1/-1/0/MEMORANDUM-FOR-MANDATORY-CORONAVIRUS-DISEASE-2019-VACCINATION-OF-DEPARTMENT-OF-DEFENSE-SERVICE-MEMBERS.PDFTrackin' thanks. I'd think it must be similar in consequence; there seems no latitude in the USMC guidance for an exemption based on religious belief. Imagine the medical exemption side of things is going to get amplifying guidance, especially where the "hey, we're trying to start a family here" side of things goes as those pop up.

What a buggy ride.

[Old Dog New Trick]

You know I said, I said, somewhere this things gonna jump the vaccine and create a vaccine resistant strain.

The heads of CDC, FDA, NIH, NIAH (sic - Fauci runs both) and the WHO all need to resign and the CCP (Wuhan Virology Lab) needs a MOAB dropped on it from outer space because it’s the only way to be sure.

Every living person is going to be exposed to SARS-CoV-2 some are not going to survive it but, it looks good for the other 90% of the world’s population. (Unless that changes with the OMEGA variant and only 10% of the population survives.)

[1stindoor]

The order was given by SEC DEF on the 24th, The Army is just slower then the Marines for getting its PAO office narrative down.

https://media.defense.gov/2021/Aug/25/2002838826/-1/-1/0/MEMORANDUM-FOR-MANDATORY-CORONAVIRUS-DISEASE-2019-VACCINATION-OF-DEPARTMENT-OF-DEFENSE-SERVICE-MEMBERS.PDF

USSOCOM put out something similar.

[7624U]

You know I said, I said, somewhere this things gonna jump the vaccine and create a vaccine resistant strain.

The heads of CDC, FDA, NIH, NIAH (sic - Fauci runs both) and the WHO all need to resign and the CCP (Wuhan Virology Lab) needs a MOAB dropped on it from outer space because it’s the only way to be sure.

Every living person is going to be exposed to SARS-CoV-2 some are not going to survive it but, it looks good for the other 90% of the world’s population. (Unless that changes with the OMEGA variant and only 10% of the population survives.)

Some heads of the FDA are already resigning because of the pressure, Don't think the Moab would do it. We need multiple Thermal Nuclear devices to get rid of the Bat caves.

[TOMAHAWK9521]

You may be dating yourself.....:D

Oh, yeah? Well I'm not the only one who referred to that classic Sci-Fi masterpiece. This has all happened before. You just have to know where to look to find the evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-K990t7qFM&t=14s

[1stindoor]

Oh, yeah? Well I'm not the only one who referred to that classic Sci-Fi masterpiece. This has all happened before. You just have to know where to look to find the evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-K990t7qFM&t=14s

:D...thanks for that. I had completely forgotten about Bob and Doug McKenzie.

[Box]

This has all happened before. You just have to know where to look to find the evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-K990t7qFM&t=14s

I've read some scientific studies that provide very good evidence supporting claims that fleshy headed mutants surviving primarily on fire roasted pangolin and Asian plam civets were responsible for the outbreak of SARS related hysteria...
...not necessarily the outbreak of SARS, just the outbreak of SARS related hysteria.




You may want to fact check that before you post it on social media.

[JimP]

Big Army is supposed to come out with their EXORD this coming week. Doesn't matter what the Marines or Joint community does - the SECDEF's order mandates service specific implementation guidance. Marines got in front of it, as did SOCOM (I read the Marines' but haven't seen SOCOM's EXORD yet).

[bblhead672]

Ugggh...I really dislike clowns...

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right....stuck in the middle.

[bblhead672]

I'm dreading the eventual onslaught of the OMEGA strain because only one of us is going to win the lottery and become the OMEGA MAN while the rest of unlucky bastards get turned into vampires with white hair, pink eye and forced to wear black hooded robes. Dammit! :mad:

Lol. Wondering if the unlucky ones can still handle an AR-15? There should be fourth version of the movie where the vampires (unvaccinated) have 300 million guns and billions of rounds of ammo.

[rsdengler]

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right....stuck in the middle.

Sounds about right...Hahaha :D

[Old Dog New Trick]

I never thought I would wake up in a socialist/communist country I call home, but Comrade B!d3n’s decree that his subjects under go mandatory inoculations from a virulent flu strain that has a 99% survival rate for 90% of the population, is very disconcerting.

Quick someone pinch me!





“My legal department says this is unconstitutional, but I’m going to do it anyway!”

[Box]

EAT.YOUR.PEAS.

[Last hard class]

I never thought I would wake up.....

Given all the BS in the last 2 years, that could have been a long thread in itself.




LHC

[Last hard class]

EAT.YOUR.PEAS.

How come illegal’s don’t have to eat their peas?
Just another ingredient of this soup sandwich that doesn’t make sense.


LHC

[rsdengler]

How come illegal’s don’t have to eat their peas?
Just another ingredient of this soup sandwich that doesn’t make sense.


LHC

This is not cool, now I have to eat the peas. My work ( I work for a County Government) mandated masks again a few weeks ago and now we HAVE to either be vaccinated or get tested once a week. This freakin blows, why do illegals get a free pass? And to make matters worse, didn't I read that Congress/Staffers are exempt from the vaccine mandates? This needs to stop, I really don't want to eat my peas...:eek:

[Sohei]

Always remember ladies and gentlemen…once we lose rights, we very seldom ever get them back. Those that have seen the power that people have so easily turned over to “them” will fight to keep it. You have to determine your line in the sand. I sincerely feel for you guys that are working in this environment. I am retired and have it a lot easier when it comes to drawing those lines.

[Old Dog New Trick]

My Body, My Right...yeah yeah yeah - phhitt

Where are all the feminist liberals on this? Oh that's right they are feminist liberals supporting this violation of "who's body belongs to whom?"

Where is BLM and Antifa on this issue...I thought they were solidly against racism and fascism? I guess not when it's your "Racist and Dictator" in power, then you will abide and obey.

Where are all the Tenth and Fourteenth Amendment supporters and legal scholars, preaching "States and Individual Rights" and suing the federal government over this unconstitutional overreach by the president?

We here in America don't have to eat our peas..unless we want to. And that should be the decisive answer to whether we remain free citizens or become subjects?

[Box]

For those of you that don't follow the nuance of American politics...

Illegal aliens aren't held to federal COVID standards because their political value is significantly higher than the political value of the average US citizen.

Politicians aren't held to the same COVID standard because they aren't common peasants.

If you aren't sure if you are part of the bourgeoisie or a struggling proletariat - I'll make it simple for you - if you have to ask - you're just a common prole.
...little to no consequence in the grand scheme of American politics


Have a nice day

[JimP]

Don't forget the US Postal Service - 600,000 workers strong: exempt. "Good paying, Union jobs...."

Naw...couldn't be any sort of payback...., not from the democrats, nope.

[Badger52]

Don't forget the US Postal Service - 600,000 workers strong: exempt. "Good paying, Union jobs...."

Naw...couldn't be any sort of payback...., not from the democrats, nope.Yessir, they get some different exemption (https://nypost.com/2021/09/09/usps-exempt-from-biden-vax-mandate-for-100m-workers/) to substitute weekly testing. That's by statute that quasi separates them from the Fed writ large. You know the statute, the one that glorifies how self-sustaining they'll be trying to operate like a profit-center but end up not even being able to pay the interest on their constant loans. Well... your loan, my loan, even the loans from The Boxen.

[Razor]

Government civilian employees in DOD also can opt for weekly testing in lieu of getting vaccinated as well.

[Paslode]

Government civilian employees in DOD also can opt for weekly testing in lieu of getting vaccinated as well.

There is quite the gambit on who can and cannot do what.

[7624U]

Soldiers get a General letter of reprimand no test :D


WASHINGTON — The Army outlined its plan today to fully comply with the Secretary of Defense’s order requiring all Service members to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19.

The Army began implementing the Secretary of Defense’s order on August 24, following DoD and White House guidance. Before then, vaccines had been optional.

“This is quite literally a matter of life and death for our Soldiers, their families and the communities in which we live,” said Lt. Gen. R. Scott Dingle, the U.S. Army Surgeon General. “Case counts and deaths continue to be concerning as the Delta variant spreads, which makes protecting the force through mandatory vaccination a health and readiness priority for the total Army.”

While soldiers who refuse the vaccine will first be counseled by their chain of command and medical providers, continued failure to comply could result in administrative or non-judicial punishment – to include relief of duties or discharge. Soldiers have the ability to request an exemption from receiving the vaccine, if they have a legitimate medical, religious or administrative reason. Soldiers who are pending exemption requests will not be subject to adverse actions until the exemption is fully processed.

Commanders, command sergeants major, first sergeants and officers in Command Select List (CSL) positions who refuse to be vaccinated - and are not pending an exemption request – face suspension and relief if they refuse to comply. Prior to any adverse action, each would be notified of the suspension and potential relief from their duties. They would then be counseled and provided the opportunity to be vaccinated before they would become subject to removal from their positions by a general officer.

Officers and noncommissioned officers who have been selected and are waiting to assume CSL command, key billet or nominative sergeant major positions – some of the most coveted assignments in the Army - will likewise be subject to removal from the list for those assignments should they refuse to be vaccinated without a pending or approved exemption.

Commanders will request a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand be initiated for any Soldier who refuses to be vaccinated and does not have a pending or approved exemption request. Such reprimands can be career ending.

Active duty units are expected to be fully vaccinated by Dec. 15, 2021 and Reserve and National Guard units are expected to be fully vaccinated by June 30, 2022.

Soldiers may request administrative or medical exemptions as outlined in Army Regulation 600-20 and AR 40-562, as well as the new Army Directive 2021-33 that provides supplementary guidance on exemption requests.

Soldiers with previous COVID-19 infections are not automatically exempt from full vaccination and should consult their primary care managers. Soldiers pending exemption requests must continue to comply with all other applicable force health protection measures applicable to unvaccinated people.

Soldiers who have completed an FDA Emergency Use Authorization or World Health Organization-authorized series of vaccinations are fully vaccinated. Soldiers are only considered fully vaccinated two weeks post completion of a two*-dose series vaccine or two weeks post completion of a single dose vaccine.

In addition to the COVID-19 vaccine mandate and following CDC and DoD guidance, Army commanders will continue to update health protection protocols consistent with the local conditions of the communities in which they serve. The health protection of our force is a top priority, and we will continue to ensure that our personnel have the most up-to-date information on appropriate safety measures to prevent potential spread of the virus.

Soldiers with questions about the safety, effectiveness and possible side effects of the COVID-19 vaccine should discuss them with their health care provider.

For additional information, contact Lt. Col. Terence Kelley, U.S. Army Office of Public Affairs Office at 703-695-0378 or usarmy.pentagon.hqda-ocpa.mbx.mrd-press-desk@mail.mil.

— END —
https://www.army.mil/article/250277/army_announces_implementation_of_mandatory_vaccine s_for_soldiers

[Badger52]

Government civilian employees in DOD also can opt for weekly testing in lieu of getting vaccinated as well.Sir, do you happen to know if there was a carve-out for dual-status Reserve Techs? Just curious.

[Old Dog New Trick]

So the current scary headlines today from CNN are that 1 in 500 Americans have died from Covid!

That’s so refreshing to see that the numbers have gone from an estimated 0.4% to 0.2% we are making progress in the recognition and treatment of Covid (Wuhan Flu) since so many governors allowed their most vulnerable people to die last year.

Someday we may actually get the true numbers of people that died of Covid and not with Covid to adjust those numbers even lower…perhaps slightly worse than a normal Flu season.

Better to be one of the 499 people to live with or without being infected than the one person who not only got infected but unfortunately died.

Great job CNN!

[Razor]

Sir, do you happen to know if there was a carve-out for dual-status Reserve Techs? Just curious.

Sorry, that issue wasn't addressed in our Command's memo. Our guidance states that everyone signs an attestation of whether they're already vaccinated or not (or they don't sign, and are assumed to not be vaxxed), uniformed military get the vax or face as yet unspecified 'disciplinary action', GS either get vaxxed or submit to weekly testing, and contractors get vaxxed or work through their companies to get tested weekly. The on-site contractor that's also a drilling Reservist in our office is already vaxxed, so I don't know how things would resolve if he wasn't.

[Badger52]

Gotcha, thanks.

[rsdengler]

Always remember ladies and gentlemen…once we lose rights, we very seldom ever get them back. Those that have seen the power that people have so easily turned over to “them” will fight to keep it. You have to determine your line in the sand. I sincerely feel for you guys that are working in this environment. I am retired and have it a lot easier when it comes to drawing those lines.

I need to work, I don't have a choice but I have been "disregarding" our work's mandatory mask wearing a bit and I will only go into the office 2 days until they drop that policy. I'm just waiting for my boss to pull me into her office, because they can write you up and suspend you without pay for a period of time. They are now renting trailers and setting them up in a location to test employees every week if they are not vaccinated. It’s a bit weird right now.

[Box]

Send in the murder hornets...
...or the riots
...or the mail-in ballots
...or the insurrectionists
...or UFO video clips
...or

Oh for fuck sake can somebody figure out something that will convince the American people that Saint Fauci isnt completely full of shit?

[7624U]

Oh for fuck sake can somebody figure out something that will convince the American people that Saint Fauci isnt completely full of shit?

Global Warming caused low vaccination rates.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Global Warming caused low vaccination rates.

Climate Change -

Come on Man, you have to have your “truth” over facts!







“Fact is the earth has been getting incrementally warmer since the end of the last ice age 60-million years ago, truth is it created much of what we call North America when the glaciers suddenly melted and significantly changed the landscape creating things like the Columbia River Gorges, Snake Canyon, the Colorado River and the Grand Canyon all at once!” (And I only finished second year college science and geology - PS Greenland wasn’t always covered in ice and Iceland is hardly covered at all.)

[Badger52]

Quote is from the thread about the Service Academy boards but properly belongs here in the Chicom flu section, next to the lingerie.
My area is going through this particular kerfuffle right now, with far too many questioning regime dikta, including the quarantine regimen issued by the county PH office who, of course, are only deferring to "CDC guidance on the matter." The questions at the meeting (school is already underway) are far too logical for the comfort of some on school boards.

Primarily 2 different towns & school districts and, thus far, a couple of different approaches. It is getting pretty divisive in some quarters; which seems like a "plan coming together."


Apparently all I had to do was go run a small family-fun bass tournament yesterday to come back & find that one of the towns west of here already had one of the school board members resign (one who'd been all-in for mandate) after being told of a recall effort afoot. Oh, the ignominy! Iz dis a gveat kuntree or vut?

[GratefulCitizen]

Hmmm…

They’re supposed to get vaccinated in order to prevent spreading the virus.
But they’re ordered to come to work if they refused to get vaccinated, until such time as they might be fired.

Wouldn’t they risk spreading the virus in the meanwhile?
It’s almost like getting vaccinated has nothing to do with stopping the spread…
:rolleyes:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-workers-can-be-fired-for-refusing-vaccination-but-must-show-up-to-work-until-their-cases-are-determined-new-guidance-says/ar-AAOz6Yx?ocid=uxbndlbing

[Old Dog New Trick]

Hmmm…

They’re supposed to get vaccinated in order to prevent spreading the virus.
But they’re ordered to come to work if they refused to get vaccinated, until such time as they might be fired.

Wouldn’t they risk spreading the virus in the meanwhile?
It’s almost like getting vaccinated has nothing to do with stopping the spread…
:rolleyes:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-workers-can-be-fired-for-refusing-vaccination-but-must-show-up-to-work-until-their-cases-are-determined-new-guidance-says/ar-AAOz6Yx?ocid=uxbndlbing

I think the comment: Tyranny.

Covers the most basic understanding of this presidential decree.

Are we there yet? When does the real “insurrection” start in earnest?

BTW, being vaccinated does little to nothing to prevent the spread of the virus. Another Fauci/CDC/Biden lie.

[Paslode]

Th plot thickens. Fauci's buddy Peter Dazek and Eco Health Alliane applied for a 14m grant from DARPA and were denied.

New documents show that just 18 months before the first Covid-19 cases appeared, researchers had submitted plans to release skin-penetrating nanoparticles containing “novel chimeric spike proteins” of bat coronaviruses into cave bats in Yunnan, China.

They also planned to create chimeric viruses, genetically enhanced to infect humans more easily, and requested $14million from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) to fund the work.

Darpa refused to fund the work, saying: “It is clear that the proposed project led by Peter Daszak could have put local communities at risk”, and warned that the team had not properly considered the dangers of enhancing the virus (gain of function research) or releasing a vaccine by air.

https://archive.fo/IFsEK#selection-1411.0-1411.288


Also interesting are the ties between the NIH and ECO Health Alliance and their obsession with SARS-COVID-2

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=NIH+eco+health+alliance&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

ECO Health Alliance appears to be more of a front for a bioweapons manufacturer. Their front is they do studies to save humanity from SARS-COVID, but in reality they create enhance viruses to more easily infect humans.

[Badger52]

ECO Health Alliance appears to be more of a front for a bioweapons manufacturer. Their front is they do studies to save humanity from SARS-COVID, but in reality they create enhance viruses to more easily infect humans.They are exactly that, and THAT is why Fauci was using them. At the time, he was proscribed from doing it directly because even Obama thought the notion of gain-of-function shit was a road not to go down and had declared a moratorium on that kind of insanity. So Fauci got the grant money, and funneled it to EcoHealth to be his proxy.

I are not a lawyer but that certainly sounds like RICO shit to me.

:munchin

[rsdengler]

They are exactly that, and THAT is why Fauci was using them. At the time, he was proscribed from doing it directly because even Obama thought the notion of gain-of-function shit was a road not to go down and had declared a moratorium on that kind of insanity. So Fauci got the grant money, and funneled it to EcoHealth to be his proxy.

I are not a lawyer but that certainly sounds like RICO shit to me.

:munchin

We are definitely being played; some people are putty in their hands. We cannot afford to be another Australia. I was on a flight back from Dallas Monday night and that plane was booked solid it was like a cattle car and everyone was all crammed together. I just read that American Airlines wants all their employees vaccinated. Meanwhile, they have no problem stuffing a plane like a double meat sammich...Funny, the signs down the gangplank read "6 ft apart"...I cracked up laughing.

[Box]

some of these generals need a fucking piss test

[Badger52]

some of these generals need a fucking piss testCan we run it at a cycle threshold that guarantees it comes back positive?

[pcfixer]

https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/09/affidavit-of-ltc-theresa-long-m-d-in-support-of-a-motion-for-a-preliminary-injunction-order/#comments

AFFIDAVIT OF LTC. THERESA LONG M.D. IN SUPPORT OF A MOTION FOR A PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION ORDER

I, Lieutenant Colonel Theresa Long, MD, MPH, FS being duly sworn, depose and state as follows:

1. I make this affidavit, as a whistle blower under the Military Whistleblower Protection Act, Title 10 U.S.C. § 1034, in support of the above referenced MOTION as expert testimony in support thereof.
.......
33. Finally, I have reviewed a recent study entitled “US COVID-19 Vaccines Proven to Cause More Harm than Good Based on Pivotal Clinical Trial Data Analyzed Using the Proper Scientific Endpoint, All Cause Severe Morbidity,” by J. Bart Classen, MD and published in Trends in Internal Medicine; August 25, 2021




https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/09/dr-simone-gold-goes-nuclear-to-protect-our-military-against-mandatory-vaccinations/

DENVER, CO. – Today America’s Frontline Doctors legal team filed a preliminary injunction in Federal District Court, before Judge Raymond P. Moore. This follows the filing and subsequent denial of a temporary restraining order submitted and ruled on nearly four weeks ago. The Injunction aims to immediately halt further COVID-19 vaccinations for all military personnel given the extraordinary findings of the Plaintiff’s expert witnesses in their sworn testimony.

[Box]

Gonna leave this here...

[rsdengler]

Gonna leave this here...

That's the truth...

[NurseTim]

For your edification.

[Sohei]

Not everyone agrees with me on this one, but when it comes to immunity — God didn’t create junk. He knew what he was doing!

[MR2]

When are we going to achieve herd intelligence? :mad:

[NurseTim]

Oops

[Badger52]

When are we going to achieve herd intelligence? :mad:Can you cull for that?

[Box]

When are we going to achieve herd intelligence? :mad:


Well, lets not get ahead of ourselves - based on current observations of the cultural landscape we may actually be devolving.

[Requiem]

Well, lets not get ahead of ourselves - based on current observations of the cultural landscape we may actually be devolving.

When half the country voted for, and put their trust in, a man who says the smartest man he knows is a guy discharged from the Navy for using cocaine, forgot his crack pipe in a rental car, slept with his brother's widow, fathered a child with a stripper, and lost three laptops with shady contents, you know we're devolving at an astronomical rate.

Come on, 'murica. Pull your head out of your, you know, the thing...

:rolleyes:

[sfshooter]

When are we going to achieve herd intelligence? :mad:

Yeah, I'm gonna go with Box on this one. We are definitely devolving. I was in Deadwood, SD a couple weeks ago. It was always a nice mini Vegas with historic background and a good time whether you gambled or not. The place has turned into a dump. Most casinos only had a couple of card tables open because they couldn't hire enough dealers. The nice steak houses were 2+ hour waits because of not enough staff. And the people who were working look like they had all been in fishing accidents with their face and fell asleep at a tattoo learning school.

Maybe I missed something but it seems to me this virus done killed off a whole lot of regular folks and we have been left with the dregs of society who are only working to maintain their meth habit.

[Trapper John]

When are we going to achieve herd intelligence? :mad:

:D:D :lifter Finest Kind!

[Sohei]

Yeah, I'm gonna go with Box on this one. We are definitely devolving. I was in Deadwood, SD a couple weeks ago. It was always a nice mini Vegas with historic background and a good time whether you gambled or not. The place has turned into a dump. Most casinos only had a couple of card tables open because they couldn't hire enough dealers. The nice steak houses were 2+ hour waits because of not enough staff. And the people who were working look like they had all been in fishing accidents with their face and fell asleep at a tattoo learning school.

Maybe I missed something but it seems to me this virus done killed off a whole lot of regular folks and we have been left with the dregs of society who are only working to maintain their meth habit.

I don’t suspect that the industry has been hurt by the amount of people killed by the virus as much as it is the amount of people being paid by the government “not” to work. They do it to keep the people dependent on Uncle Sam rather than them having to “earn” a living. Just the government’s way of killing small businesses.

[rsdengler]

When are we going to achieve herd intelligence? :mad:

Ugh...We have fallen off that cliff a long time ago. I'm just waiting for the Asteroid to hit...

[Badger52]

Thinking of Rita (and a few others here) when I read over this quickly (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pentagon-requires-civilian-employees-fully-vaccinated-covid-19-nov-22).

Besides my feeling that the DoJ is a Chatty-Cathy and will say whatever's needed when the string is pulled, the language (wonderful word "forthcoming guidance") indicates that the directions aren't all printed on the same box.

Starting the "you will begin complying" clock before a procedure is out for requesting exemption gets my attention for starters. Besides being staffed with some real Napoleon-wannabes, those folks are some kind of operationally incompetent. Or is there a new paragraph being added to OPORDs nowadays that just says "oops, we're mulling this over" ?

[rsdengler]

Blah, my work wants us to register on this health site, if not the old long Q-Tip up the nose every week. Talk about being unmotivated to go to work everyday. Plus we have to wear a damn mask, they just won’t stop with this BS.

[Badger52]

Blah, my work wants us to register on this health site, if not the old long Q-Tip up the nose every week.PITA for them too, so there's that.
:D

[Box]

Blah, my work wants us to register on this health site, if not the old long Q-Tip up the nose every week. Talk about being unmotivated to go to work everyday. Plus we have to wear a damn mask, they just won’t stop with this BS.

"They" are relying on people becoming too unmotivated to go to work every day.
That is how they get one step closer to universal income and total control over the life of the common peasant.


What Cloward Piven failed to think through was - once everyone is at home - collecting their universal income and free health care...

who is manufacturing life little luxuries ?
you know - things like food and clothing and shelter ?

As long as you are free to vote for whatever corrupt democrat suits your fancy - everything will work out juuuuust fine.

It wont be long till they figure out how to tax everything including those long walks in the tall grass.

[PSM]

When half the country voted for, and put their trust in, a man who says the smartest man he knows is a guy discharged from the Navy for using cocaine, forgot his crack pipe in a rental car, slept with his brother's widow, fathered a child with a stripper, and lost three laptops with shady contents, you know we're devolving at an astronomical rate.

Come on, 'murica. Pull your head out of your, you know, the thing...

:rolleyes:

No, they didn't vote for him. Over 22 million more votes in this election than any election in history. Both the winning and losing candidate, the incumbent, got more votes that any winning candidate in history. It's not statistically possible. Trump won by such a large margin that the cheating became easily evident:

[bubba]

No, they didn't vote for him. Over 22 million more votes in this election than any election in history. Both the winning and losing candidate, the incumbent, got more votes that any winning candidate in history. It's not statistically possible. Trump won by such a large margin that the cheating became easily evident:

PSM, these numbers are the ONLY evidence needed. I’ve been using these numbers to anyone and everyone who even thinks that somehow ole’ joe won…. Ain’t no f’n way he got 12 MILLION more votes than BHO…. Just isn’t even possible! But hey, common sense isn’t…..

On a more realistic note, I’m beginning to think the dims didn’t actually think they’d get away with it. More likely scenario is they wanted another Bush v. Gore type of cudgel to use against DJT for his 2nd term since “Russia” was proven B.S. Now, the real fun can begin when they try to convince the country that what happened over ole’ joe’s term didn’t happen or that somehow it was “orange man’s” fault….. yeah, single digit approval numbers by 2023…. Let’s just see how this goes….:munchin

[Requiem]

No, they didn't vote for him.

I shoulda used a pink font for that. We all know the houseplant in the White House couldn't win an election fair and square.

Thanks for the visual aid - the fraud becomes quite obvious when put in perspective with the other elections.

S.

[sfshooter]

I don’t suspect that the industry has been hurt by the amount of people killed by the virus as much as it is the amount of people being paid by the government “not” to work. They do it to keep the people dependent on Uncle Sam rather than them having to “earn” a living. Just the government’s way of killing small businesses.

I apologize my sarcasm didn't show through. I know the virus didn't kill people off anymore than a bad flu season. I also know people aren't working so evidently they must be on the free ride from Uncle Sam or some other means of existence I am unaware of.

[sfshooter]

I've been given 2 different dates by my company so far (.gov contractor). Not sure which one to go with and the final date comes down to if you are taking the one time hit of J&J.
Working up my religious exemption right now and see how far that rides.

[Badger52]

Working up my religious exemption right now and see how far that rides.If Christian-oriented, sample work, heavily referenced, in an article over at The Captain's Journal (https://www.captainsjournal.com/2021/08/24/religious-exemption-to-mandatory-covid-vaccination/). Also available as a downloadable PDF in the article. I have no affiliation to site or author.

[rsdengler]

"They" are relying on people becoming too unmotivated to go to work every day.
That is how they get one step closer to universal income and total control over the life of the common peasant.


What Cloward Piven failed to think through was - once everyone is at home - collecting their universal income and free health care...

who is manufacturing life little luxuries ?
you know - things like food and clothing and shelter ?

As long as you are free to vote for whatever corrupt democrat suits your fancy - everything will work out juuuuust fine.

It wont be long till they figure out how to tax everything including those long walks in the tall grass.


I'm just not motivated to drive into work, lol I think I'll work from home until they lift the mask mandate.

They will soon tax how many times we go #1 and #2...These people suck, I mean really suck the big one. Lol, I heard on the news that France thinks we are now too woke as a Nation. Can you imagine, France saying that? My gosh we are now closer to becoming the new world order of a authoritarian state. Gosh, get me off this ship...:D

[Sohei]

We are quickly destroying ourselves from within. I suspect we can only slow the spiral of destruction down rather than stop it at this point. I do fear for this nation.

[Sohei]

I apologize my sarcasm didn't show through. I know the virus didn't kill people off anymore than a bad flu season. I also know people aren't working so evidently they must be on the free ride from Uncle Sam or some other means of existence I am unaware of.

No apologies necessary, Brother. I should have known you were being rhetorical. ;)

[Badger52]

Lol, I heard on the news that France thinks we are now too woke as a Nation. Can you imagine, France saying that?France has spent 3 months filling the streets with some really angry folks; the US of A not so much.

[sfshooter]

If Christian-oriented, sample work, heavily referenced, in an article over at The Captain's Journal (https://www.captainsjournal.com/2021/08/24/religious-exemption-to-mandatory-covid-vaccination/). Also available as a downloadable PDF in the article. I have no affiliation to site or author.


Thank you Badger. I'll check it out.

[PSM]

But hey, common sense isn’t…..

Common Sense has become a super power.

The problem is, when DJT gets back in, it will take the 4 years of his remaining term to clean up the mess Sniffy Joe has made rather than continue the success of his first term. "Let's go Brandon!"

[bubba]

Common Sense has become a super power.

The problem is, when DJT gets back in, it will take the 4 years of his remaining term to clean up the mess Sniffy Joe has made rather than continue the success of his first term. "Let's go Brandon!"

I see your point, and it’s hard to argue against, but I would wager the phrase “you’re fired” will be the subject line of many emails if / when DJT is back in the oval.

Forgive my ignorance, but can’t the POTUS actually fire everyone in the FBI / ATF / CIA / NSA / GO / EPA / Etc? I’m sure there would be hysterics on the propaganda nightly news, “what difference, at this point, does it make anyway?”…..

I still see this going “hot” before any real change occurs, and I still think that may be the best option.

[NurseTim]

Please don’t let DJT make ANY personnel moves, he sucks at it. Let his running mate do it. DJT’s strength is logistics and gumption.

As to it taking 4 years to unfuck the soup sandwich that president puddin head and the whore leaves, don’t worry. I hope to see a DJT/DeSantis ticket and DeSantis takes the ball and runs it in during his 8 years.

DeSantis has a track record of deeds, not words. I don’t trust a politician’s words, only deeds.

[Badger52]

Thank you Badger. I'll check it out.My pleasure, good luck. There are also some templates available at Gab here (https://news.gab.com/2021/07/29/important-download-covid-vaccine-religious-exemption-documents-here/); scroll down for the various types that may apply to you. I have read on that site comments from several people coming back that indicated they were successful, so it would seem Mr. Torba was able to collect the goods needed.

I saw a little blurb today that's thought provoking:
"Have sex with me or get fired" is coercion.
"Take the shot or get fired" is not.

[PSM]

The only exemption needed is the Constitution of the United States. We are not subjects of a sovereign power, we are the sovereign power.

[bubba]

Language matters…. The 14th amendment screwed all Citizens of the Several States and created a “citizen of the United States” and they are “subject to the jurisdiction therof”….. it’s the back door way of creating subjects out of Citizens.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Notice, it doesn’t say anything about the fed gov depriving you, only States…..

Now, to quote that great commentator the Esteemed Box: “now go eat your peas“

[PSM]

It's funny that the 14th Amendment had 0 Democrat votes in Congress, yet they have twisted it to mean anything they want.

[sfshooter]

Well as we've seen, over the past year and a half at a minimum, 1st amendment rights have disintegrated.....and hell, a vast majority of this country's constitutional rights have been pitched by the wayside. When you control Pravda (MSM) you control the narrative. Just some months back DHS labeled those who disagree with the government as domestic terrorists (narrative control). Now DOJ is more or less saying parents who disagree with their school boards are domestic terrorists (narrative control). And those of you who disagree with vaccine mandates and don't wish to be included in the human trials of a vaccine that isn't a vaccine, well, I guess the time will come when you too will be labeled a domestic terrorist. In the meantime we will try and destroy your livelihood because you refuse to believe in the narrative (narrative control).


I'm getting tired of eating my peas.

[7624U]

.


I'm getting tired of eating my peas.

You will eat your peas don't question anything, Now get back in line and put your mask fully over your mouth and nose you rebel scum !

[Box]

You don't really have to "eat" your peas - the government has made it quite clear that they are more than happy to feed them to you.
By force if they need to.

You dont have to 'eat' them but you are going to 'have' them one way or the other.

[rsdengler]

You don't really have to "eat" your peas - the government has made it quite clear that they are more than happy to feed them to you.
By force if they need to.

You dont have to 'eat' them but you are going to 'have' them one way or the other.

Mashed up and put inside a feeding tube shoved down our throats while we're tied to a chair...Might I have more please....No thank you, I'm not a fan of peas anymore...:D

[EricV]

Some form of intravenous seems more likely. They can mix in a Vax at the same time!!

[Old Dog New Trick]

Well, at least the “carrots” tasted better for the few… who held out or just went back and collected on shot number two, three or five.

You know, the one’s that got one hundred Biden bucks, to get a “free” shot, paid for by the you know who, the working people that pay that thing… taxes! (aka, Democratic slush funds for special projects and personal enrichment.)

[Badger52]

...rebel scum !Diversity. Sometimes it's an old Scots-Irish tradition.

[Badger52]

Forgetting for the moment the country being reminded of what can happen when just one airline (or its pilots) has serious indigestion, this article caught my eye because (sort of) hometown connection. Living near the confluence of 2 interstates and a fair size Old Dominion terminal about 1 mile away - that continues to have a boatload worth of its trailers sitting there and I go by it almost every day.

Shipping companies across the nation on Monday are reportedly struggling to find truck drivers to ease port backlogs on the east and west coasts.

Old Dominion Freight Line will reportedly hire any driver with or without experience, KHQ NBC reported Sunday. The need is so great, Old Dominion held a job fair Saturday to “hire 10 line drivers who can haul several trailers across the state” while offering to train anyone who wishes to earn a C.D.L. license.

Michael Deneen with Old Dominion told KHQ the pandemic has made finding truck drivers more difficult due to the unemployment checks that drivers may be receiving from Democrat-controlled states. Deneen also thinks the labor shortage will carry over and impact the 2021 holiday season and beyond.

“Christmas is going to be, this year is going to be impacted greatly by not just trucking but through the whole logistic network is a little bit out of whack,” Deneen said. “So buy early, we’re going to work ourselves out of it but it’s going to be a couple of years of going through this new normal right now.”
...
“There will definitely be weeping children this holiday season,”
Some more interesting tidbits in the full article here (https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/10/11/report-shipping-companies-struggle-to-find-truck-drivers-to-ease-port-backlogs/).

:munchin

[Old Dog New Trick]

Forgetting for the moment the country being reminded of what can happen when just one airline (or its pilots) has serious indigestion, this article caught my eye because (sort of) hometown connection. Living near the confluence of 2 interstates and a fair size Old Dominion terminal about 1 mile away - that continues to have a boatload worth of its trailers sitting there and I go by it almost every day.


Some more interesting tidbits in the full article here (https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/10/11/report-shipping-companies-struggle-to-find-truck-drivers-to-ease-port-backlogs/).

:munchin

Doesn’t quite fare well for the “globalists vision” of the world does it?

[GratefulCitizen]

Forgetting for the moment the country being reminded of what can happen when just one airline (or its pilots) has serious indigestion, this article caught my eye because (sort of) hometown connection. Living near the confluence of 2 interstates and a fair size Old Dominion terminal about 1 mile away - that continues to have a boatload worth of its trailers sitting there and I go by it almost every day.


Some more interesting tidbits in the full article here (https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/10/11/report-shipping-companies-struggle-to-find-truck-drivers-to-ease-port-backlogs/).

:munchin

The trucking industry hasn’t adjusted to the new labor market realities.
There was plenty of labor available when the baby boomers were the majority of the workforce, but now the tables have turned.

I left the UPS feeder department a little over a year ago to get back into the little trucks.
The two guys who were under me in our seniority list are looking to transfer back to the little trucks.

Feeder work used to be the premiere job at UPS, and you usually wouldn’t even get the opportunity until you’d been with the company at least 20 years.
Now, new drivers are getting the opportunity to go into feeders in their first couple years.

The work rules in our local recently changed to where you have to choose a permanent career path (big or little trucks) after your initial 3 year obligation in the big trucks.
It has had the net result of pushing people out of the department.

When it comes to moving all those shipping containers, the problem is the time drivers have to wait at the port to receive their loads.
The old compensation systems paid drivers by the mile, so they don’t get paid while waiting at the port.

Drivers aren’t interested in giving away their time without compensation.
Trucking companies haven’t adjusted to the new bargaining power available to drivers.

[Badger52]

Doesn’t quite fare well for the “globalists vision” of the world does it?I'm sure Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg is on it.

[cbtengr]

I'm sure Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg is on it.

Pretty sure Pete is on maternity leave right now, Joe told him to take off all the time he needed.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I'm sure Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg is on it.

It’s too busy being a new birther, St. Fauci will step in and declare that truck drivers including LGBTQIIABCXWZ and cis-gendered don’t share in the spread of Covid and therefore can work without “masks”!

That should help Southwest pilots looking for new employment after quitting their jobs over vaccination requirements.

[pcfixer]

https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/10/dod-analysis-of-cms-more-vaccines-more-covid/

The Department of Defense has access to the CMS (Center for Medicare & Medicaid data), which shows that for the last two weeks, 60% of those in the hospital have been fully vaccinated. And the statistical effect is most bad for Native Americans, Latinos, and (to a lesser degree) Blacks.

https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/09/affidavit-of-ltc-theresa-long-m-d-in-support-of-a-motion-for-a-preliminary-injunction-order

s aircrew Training Program (ATP) 5-19, 1-8 states we shall: Accept No Unnecessary Risk. “An unnecessary risk is any risk that, if taken, will not contribute meaningfully to mission accomplishment or will needlessly endanger lives or resources.

32. I am also aware of the Secretary of Defense Austin’s order in relation to Covid Vaccine mandates made this week. In an information paper, it was stated that, “Unit personnel should use only as much force as necessary to assist medical personnel with immunizations.” The use of force to administer a medical treatment or therapy against the will of a mentally competent individual constitutes medical battery and universally violates medical ethics. Currently, I am not aware of the Comirnaty available within the DOD. Emergency Use Authorized vaccines, despite the attempt to characterize some of them as approved despite such approved versions not being available and regardless of a military member’s prior immunity to Covid 19; even where it may be demonstrated with a recent antibody test.[/QUOTE

[QUOTE]33. Finally, I have reviewed a recent study entitled “US COVID-19 Vaccines Proven to Cause More Harm than Good Based on Pivotal Clinical Trial Data Analyzed Using the Proper Scientific Endpoint, All Cause Severe Morbidity,” by J. Bart Classen, MD and published in Trends in Internal Medicine; August 25, 2021.

[QUOTE]39. The subject matter of this Motion for a Preliminary Injunction and its devastating effects on members of the military compel me to conclude and conduct accordingly as follows:
There are 11 for you .......
[QUOTE]

[Badger52]

Read her affidavit not long after it hit the street; I hope she don't find herself 'redacted'.

[7624U]

Bend over again for your drugs America !

You’re Being Gouged On Medicine You Already Paid For

Corporate Dems are trying to prevent the government from securing lower prices for drugs that the government already funded.

Last week, we learned that Merck is planning to charge Americans 40 times its cost for a COVID drug whose development was subsidized by the American government. The situation spotlights two sets of facts that have also gone largely unmentioned in the legislative debate over whether to let Medicare negotiate for lower drug prices.

Fact one: Americans are facing not merely expensive drugs, but prices that are examples of outright profiteering.

Fact two: In many cases, the medicines we are being gouged on are those that we the public already paid for.

These facts show us that pharma-bankrolled Democrats trying to kill drug pricing measures aren’t just bought and paid for in this particular skirmish — they are foot soldiers in the pharmaceutical industry’s larger multi-decade campaign to seal off and rig America’s alleged “free market.”

“Does Not Present Sufficient Cause”

First, there’s the price point of drugs. It’s not merely that Americans are paying the world’s highest prices for pharmaceuticals, it’s that in many cases, we are paying prices that aren’t even close to what consumers in other countries pay.
A new Public Citizen analysis shows that the top 20-selling medicines generated almost twice as much pharmaceutical industry revenue in the United States as in every other country combined. Sure, as compared to others, Americans may buy a lot of prescription drugs, but this study reflects something much bigger at play: pharma-sculpted public policies that allow drug price levels to go beyond profits and into profiteering.

That term “profiteering” is important here because drugmakers aren’t losing lots of money in other countries where they sell medicines at lower prices.
Let’s remember: Pharmaceutical companies aren’t altruistic charities that offer their products abroad at a loss. On the contrary, they are still making healthy profits at lower world-market prices — and as The Intercept’s Lee Fang notes, they are making those healthy profits while boasting of innovation and job growth in countries that have allowed their governments to use bulk purchasing power to negotiate lower prices.

The same arrangement could happen in the United States. We could significantly reduce medicine prices, which would save Medicare and individual consumers hundreds of billions of dollars, and in the process we would do little to significantly reduce pharmaceutical innovation. Indeed, a recent Congressional Budget Office study projected that even if profits on top drugs decreased by a whopping 25 percent, it would only result in a 0.5 percent average annual reduction in the number of new drugs entering the market over the next decade.
We Already Paid For The Medicine.

The reason that reduction in new drugs would be so small gets to the other inconvenient fact being left out of the conversation in Congress right now: For all the pharmaceutical industry’s self-congratulatory rhetoric about its own innovations, the federal government uses your tax dollars to fund a lot of that innovation, research, and development.

A study from the National Academy of Sciences tells that story: The federal government spent $100 billion to subsidize the research on every single one of the 200-plus drugs approved for sale in the United States between 2010 and 2016.
Because we the public invested early in these medicines, we reduced the R&D costs for pharmaceutical companies. Therefore, on the back end, the public should have received some sort of return in the form of affordable prices. After all, we took the initial risk, and we lowered the overhead costs that the drug companies might need to recoup through higher prices. In business terms, the public is the early venture investor in these products, and we deserve a share of the returns when the product proves valuable.

However, in the mid-1990s, that business axiom was tossed out when drug lobbyists convinced the Clinton administration to repeal rules that allowed federal officials to require government-subsidized drugs to be offered to Americans at a “reasonable price.”
A few years later, Congress — with then-Senator Joe Biden’s help — voted down legislation to reinstate these rules, and later the Obama administration rejected House Democrats’ request that federal officials at least provide guidelines to government agencies about how they can exercise their remaining powers to combat drug price gouging.

The result: We now routinely face immoral situations like last week’s news that pharmaceutical giant Merck is planning to charge Americans $712 for a COVID drug that cost only $17.74 to produce and whose development was subsidized by the American government.

That’s just the latest example of the absurd paradigm: We take the risk of investing early in the product, but instead of that investment reaping us something valuable like affordable prices, we are rewarded with price gouging by the drugmakers that bankroll the lawmakers who’ve rigged the rules — and aim to keep them rigged.

An Economy Walled Off For Maximum Manipulation
All of this underscores how corrupt and insane the current conversation in Congress really is — and in truth, it’s way more corrupt than it even seems on the surface.

We aren’t merely watching pharma-bankrolled lawmakers try to stop Medicare from negotiating lower prices for drugs — they are trying to stop the government from negotiating lower prices for medicines that the government already paid for, and that we are being charged the world’s highest prices for.

This opposition is just the latest crusade to keep the American market walled off for maximum manipulation. Laws written by drug lobbyists prohibit wholesalers from importing lower-priced medicines from other countries, give drug companies 20-year patents on government-subsidized medicine, prevent the government from requiring reasonable prices for drugs the government pays for, and block Medicare from using its bulk purchasing power to negotiate lower prices.

That’s not a “free market.” It is a top-down command economy perfectly calibrated for price gouging, and the pharmaceutical industry and its puppet politicians want to keep it that way.

https://www.dailyposter.com/youre-being-gouged-on-medicine-you-already-paid-for/

This guy that wrote this article was bernie sanders speech writer imagine that !
guess congress will have more internal fighting because of this as well.

[rsdengler]

It's outrageous and a freakin crime, but they get away with it. I'm lucky that I don't need to take meds, but I feel sorry for those that are siphoned out of their savings because Pharm and Government are Fat Cats. Money, Money, Money...Power, Power, Power...

[Box]

It's like the VIP lounge at the airport.

...and none of us are members

[Trapper John]

Well, being intimately involved in drug discovery/development for the last 25 years I have few thoughts on this subject:

1. It is easy to blame pharmaceutical companies, although not blameless, they are not totally responsible either.
2. Government funding is usually at the very early stage (discovery and proof-of concept) and amounts to <1% of the amount required to bring a new drug to market. Most of the government funding goes to University salaries and overhead. Universities retain the patent rights and recover their investment when the technology is sold (usually to a venture capital company).
3. The VC company will bundle the new technology and push it down to one of its portfolio companies to further develop the technology through the pre-IND and on to the IND/clinical phase of development. The cost to this stage is ~$100 million.
4. The pharmaceutical company's sweet spot for acquisition of a new drug candidate is the Phase II clinical trial stage. There is easily $300-$500 million to bring a drug candidate through this stage of development and ready for acquisition by a pharmaceutical company.
5. The acquisition cost will be $1-$2 Billion at least.
6. Now the real costs begin, including Phase 3 clinical studies, formulary costs, pharmacy benefit managers, insurance providers, and various other 'middle-men'. This phase adds a 10x multiple to a new drug's cost before it ever reaches market!

The cost and complexity of taking a new drug to market requires the infrastructure of one of the established pharma companies. They're not the bad guys. It's the cost associated with the process. Frankly, I don't see a point to reform without tisks such as reduction in drug safety/efficacy

[rsdengler]

It's like the VIP lounge at the airport.

...and none of us are members

Uggg...That VIP Lounge, those people are always so darn smug...:D

[MR2]

It's like the VIP lounge at the airport.

...and none of us are members

These VIP lounges are usually in the vicinity of the USO lounge. Which causes me to have gross sneezing fits in the vicinity of the door handles as I pass them by...

[Box]

Uggg...That VIP Lounge, those people are always so darn smug...:D

Wuhan flu is an infectious disease process that has a 99.8% survival rate. The most at risk folks are those that are already suffering from multiple health problem.

Smug is incurable. The prognosis is poor. Once you are infected with Smug, it seems to stick with you forever.
Tragically, the people that are most impacted by terminal smug are decent, hard working, peace loving, good nature individuals that are constantly getting fucked over by the smug. It's not a coincidence that so much smug can be found in the typical airport VIP lounge.

Not everyone that goes into an airport VIP lounge comes out smug - but the ones that do are changed forever. Truth be told - if I was granted access to the VIP lounge and had to walk past the USO to get there - I'd almost always stop at the USO to chat with the 80 year old volunteer that keeps the coffee pot full.

Even if Saint Fauci was right and masks could protect you from COVID - masks don't do shit to prevent smug. In fact, there are several studies that suggest folks still walking around outside with a mask on are almost certainly infected with some degree of smug...
...and its going to get worse

[Razor]

The cost and complexity of taking a new drug to market requires the infrastructure of one of the established pharma companies. They're not the bad guys. It's the cost associated with the process. Frankly, I don't see a point to reform without risks such as reduction in drug safety/efficacy

I think you forgot the caveat "almost none of this applies to the current batch of COVID vaccines". ;)

[Box]

I'm just glad to see that it takes something as big as a 99.7% survivable virus that primarily threatens the elderly and the ill to push our entire country to the brink of dysfunction.

Have your peas mother fuckers HAVE THEM NOW !!!

[Old Dog New Trick]

I'm just glad to see that it takes something as big as a 99.7% survivable virus that primarily threatens the elderly and the ill to push our entire country to the brink of dysfunction.

Have your peas mother fuckers HAVE THEM NOW !!!

You always get to the heart of the matter with such brevity.

[Surf n Turf]

Well, being intimately involved in drug discovery/development for the last 25 years I have few thoughts on this subject:

1. It is easy to blame pharmaceutical companies, although not blameless, they are not totally responsible either.
2. Government funding is usually at the very early stage (discovery and proof-of concept) and amounts to <1% of the amount required to bring a new drug to market. Most of the government funding goes to University salaries and overhead. Universities retain the patent rights and recover their investment when the technology is sold (usually to a venture capital company).
3. The VC company will bundle the new technology and push it down to one of its portfolio companies to further develop the technology through the pre-IND and on to the IND/clinical phase of development. The cost to this stage is ~$100 million.
4. The pharmaceutical company's sweet spot for acquisition of a new drug candidate is the Phase II clinical trial stage. There is easily $300-$500 million to bring a drug candidate through this stage of development and ready for acquisition by a pharmaceutical company.
5. The acquisition cost will be $1-$2 Billion at least.
6. Now the real costs begin, including Phase 3 clinical studies, formulary costs, pharmacy benefit managers, insurance providers, and various other 'middle-men'. This phase adds a 10x multiple to a new drug's cost before it ever reaches market!

The cost and complexity of taking a new drug to market requires the infrastructure of one of the established pharma companies. They're not the bad guys. It's the cost associated with the process. Frankly, I don't see a point to reform without tisks such as reduction in drug safety/efficacy

Trapper John,

Your comments (as usual) are correct. Case in point with 1980 dollars:

40+ years ago, I was implementing a manufacturing system in one of the J&J companies. We had worked for about 12 months of an estimated 3 year effort.

They had developed a new product that revolutionized a reproductive health issue, and the Phased testing so far had gone extremely well (SPEND TO DATE Phase 1 +/- $100 Million, Phase 2 +/- $350 MILLION). We had just finished a Phase 2 approval, and the results were so good that the Division VP took the team out for a “celebratory” dinner.

We started Phase 3 with high expectations…so high in fact that J&J Senior Management directed a “pre-build” of inventory so that they could have product in the pipeline when Phase 3 was approved (ADDITIONAL SPENDING +/- 1.2 BILLION).

They had 2 warehouses full with inventory, and were starting to stage in another J&J Divisions facility.

Then the REJECTION came for the Phase 3 clinicals. They had discovered a non-recoverable major occluding issue in late phase testing.

The product was cancelled, the warehouses scrapped the inventory, and the company wrote off over $1.65 BILLION (in 1980 dollars). I have no idea what that amount would be in 2021 money, but I expect it would be north of $5 BILLION. Profit losses over the next 17 years would probably have been in the $2-3 BILLION range annually..

SnT

[sfshooter]

Well, being intimately involved in drug discovery/development for the last 25 years I have few thoughts on this subject:

1. It is easy to blame pharmaceutical companies, although not blameless, they are not totally responsible either.
2. Government funding is usually at the very early stage (discovery and proof-of concept) and amounts to <1% of the amount required to bring a new drug to market. Most of the government funding goes to University salaries and overhead. Universities retain the patent rights and recover their investment when the technology is sold (usually to a venture capital company).
3. The VC company will bundle the new technology and push it down to one of its portfolio companies to further develop the technology through the pre-IND and on to the IND/clinical phase of development. The cost to this stage is ~$100 million.
4. The pharmaceutical company's sweet spot for acquisition of a new drug candidate is the Phase II clinical trial stage. There is easily $300-$500 million to bring a drug candidate through this stage of development and ready for acquisition by a pharmaceutical company.
5. The acquisition cost will be $1-$2 Billion at least.
6. Now the real costs begin, including Phase 3 clinical studies, formulary costs, pharmacy benefit managers, insurance providers, and various other 'middle-men'. This phase adds a 10x multiple to a new drug's cost before it ever reaches market!

The cost and complexity of taking a new drug to market requires the infrastructure of one of the established pharma companies. They're not the bad guys. It's the cost associated with the process. Frankly, I don't see a point to reform without tisks such as reduction in drug safety/efficacy




I'm just curious........what phase of testing are we in now with these covid vaccines? I'm guessing this is probably the first time humans have been used for phase II and phase III tests?
I only bring this up because, to my knowledge, the quickest testing and brought to market ever done was on the mumps vaccine and that took 4 years.

[sfshooter]

Wuhan flu is an infectious disease process that has a 99.8% survival rate. The most at risk folks are those that are already suffering from multiple health problem.

Smug is incurable. The prognosis is poor. Once you are infected with Smug, it seems to stick with you forever.
Tragically, the people that are most impacted by terminal smug are decent, hard working, peace loving, good nature individuals that are constantly getting fucked over by the smug. It's not a coincidence that so much smug can be found in the typical airport VIP lounge.

Not everyone that goes into an airport VIP lounge comes out smug - but the ones that do are changed forever. Truth be told - if I was granted access to the VIP lounge and had to walk past the USO to get there - I'd almost always stop at the USO to chat with the 80 year old volunteer that keeps the coffee pot full.

Even if Saint Fauci was right and masks could protect you from COVID - masks don't do shit to prevent smug. In fact, there are several studies that suggest folks still walking around outside with a mask on are almost certainly infected with some degree of smug...
...and its going to get worse




Having grown up very poor I developed immunity to smug. I know this because in the past I have infiltrated those lounges while traveling international. The cause of me changing my traveling class was an Arab woman on a flight leaving New York one midnight, heading to Jordan. She was sitting in my seat by the window and refused to move during the boarding process. She played the "no speaky english" card. The young pretty flight attendant went and got a Arab male flight attendant who had words with her in a language she understood. She begrudgingly moved over to the aisle seat. When I sat down she proceeded to put her purse in front of my feet, in my storage area. Being very tired at this time, I had used up all the patience that I had, so I took her purse and threw it on her lap. I then proceeded to elbow her because she felt inclined to want to take up my seat space. Once airborne she found it more comfortable to move to another aisle.
Maybe I created another suicide bomber, I don't know, but my diplomacy was exhausted.
I relate the above because from that flight on I refused to fly coach on international flights and paid for the upgrade to business class. It's that business class ticket that gets you into those lounges full of people afflicted with smug. I'm back to international travel again for the time being, but damn if I make enough money to fly in the upgraded class now. Seems like those seats have quadrupled in price in the past 15 years. I have not had any issue with the smug from my exposure in those years, so I know I have an immunity. :D

[7624U]

Fauci's fantasy world. I wonder if NIH put out a bid or proof of concept. :D

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8223067/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33713140/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33679209/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32834324/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34195618/

[Trapper John]

I think you forgot the caveat "almost none of this applies to the current batch of COVID vaccines". ;)

You are correct! I was referring to the typical process. Operation "Warp Speed" was a government driven special case. :eek:

[Trapper John]

Trapper John,

Your comments (as usual) are correct. Case in point with 1980 dollars:

40+ years ago, I was implementing a manufacturing system in one of the J&J companies. We had worked for about 12 months of an estimated 3 year effort.

They had developed a new product that revolutionized a reproductive health issue, and the Phased testing so far had gone extremely well (SPEND TO DATE Phase 1 +/- $100 Million, Phase 2 +/- $350 MILLION). We had just finished a Phase 2 approval, and the results were so good that the Division VP took the team out for a “celebratory” dinner.

We started Phase 3 with high expectations…so high in fact that J&J Senior Management directed a “pre-build” of inventory so that they could have product in the pipeline when Phase 3 was approved (ADDITIONAL SPENDING +/- 1.2 BILLION).

They had 2 warehouses full with inventory, and were starting to stage in another J&J Divisions facility.

Then the REJECTION came for the Phase 3 clinicals. They had discovered a non-recoverable major occluding issue in late phase testing.

The product was cancelled, the warehouses scrapped the inventory, and the company wrote off over $1.65 BILLION (in 1980 dollars). I have no idea what that amount would be in 2021 money, but I expect it would be north of $5 BILLION. Profit losses over the next 17 years would probably have been in the $2-3 BILLION range annually..

SnT

That is a fairly typical case for a drug that fails in the Phase III stage of development. Thanks for posting that. It is instructive for folks to understand the madnitude of $s and risk that is at stake by Pharma in drug development! No other business sector comes close!

An additional note in comment to your post: I think the failure you are referring to in Phase III should have been picked up in IND enabling pharmacological safety studies in canine species. I'll bet ya the responsible CRO paid dearly for that F'up.

[Trapper John]

I'm just curious........what phase of testing are we in now with these covid vaccines? I'm guessing this is probably the first time humans have been used for phase II and phase III tests?
I only bring this up because, to my knowledge, the quickest testing and brought to market ever done was on the mumps vaccine and that took 4 years.

Phase I, II and III are always conducted in humans. The difference in the case of vaccines is the size (#of test subjects) and complexity (# and type of cohorts, and #of test locations).

This is why I, as a small, private drug developer, would never, never embark down the path of vaccine development. The economics, risk/reward just don't work for a small company!

Oh, and to your question about the speed of development re: the mumps vaccine. The shortened development timeline was due entirely to the development of the antigen by using the newly developed mRNA technology rather than using killed virus or developing an inactivated variant. None of the safety/efficacy studies were abbreviated or altered in any way to shorten the Covid vaccine approval.

[Box]

None of the safety/efficacy studies were abbreviated or altered in any way to shorten the Covid vaccine approval.

I am ignorant of the inner working of the process - is this a "good" thing for the populace or a "bad" thing for the populace?

It sounds good - since nothing was altered or abbreviated - is there a down side? It certainly seems like using NEW technology would have slowed an otherwise unaltered process down instead of speeding it up.

If nothing was abbreviated or altered to shorten the approval - why does everything else take so long?

[EricV]

8 prominent doctors & scientists engage in a remarkable exchange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeVy7jQoz0&t=7s

[rsdengler]

I'm just glad to see that it takes something as big as a 99.7% survivable virus that primarily threatens the elderly and the ill to push our entire country to the brink of dysfunction.

Have your peas mother fuckers HAVE THEM NOW !!!


This is advertising GOLD....Hahahaha...:D

[Box]

This is advertising GOLD....Hahahaha...:D

You dont have to eat them - but by god you're going to have them come hell or high water.
...and after you've had some, you're going to have more
...and more

You'll have them until Lord Biden and Darth Fauci decide that you've had enough.

[Trapper John]

I am ignorant of the inner working of the process - is this a "good" thing for the populace or a "bad" thing for the populace?

It sounds good - since nothing was altered or abbreviated - is there a down side? It certainly seems like using NEW technology would have slowed an otherwise unaltered process down instead of speeding it up.

If nothing was abbreviated or altered to shorten the approval - why does everything else take so long?

There are a couple of questions embedded in that response so my apology in advance for a lengthy reply:

1. The mRNA technology, although new, was off the shelf and ready to enter clinical safety (Phase 1) and efficacy (Phase 2) trials. The pre-clinical IND enabling studies had already been completed. This saved 1-2 years right off the bat. (Pretty good pun imho.) :D

2. Conventional vaccine development would have required development of an inactive live virus or validated that a killed virus would induce an appropriate immune response. This would have taken an additional 1-2 years prior to entering the clinical IND phase. So all things being equalized. The mRNA technology shortened the development time 2-4 years.

3. "Operation Warp Speed" accelerated manufacturing by removing the financial risk associated with scale-up of manufacturing processes and therefore the time required for the vaccine being ready for distribution. I am getting outside of my wheelhouse at this stage. SurfnTurf can probably more adequately respond here.

4. As to your question: "If nothing was abbreviated or altered to shorten the approval - why does everything else take so long?" I was referring to the pre-clinical and clinical safety studies. Everything else just takes time and therefore $s. I hope that through my and SnT's reesponses in this thread you all can begin to appreciate the huge risks, and costs that the Pharma industry faces in order to bring all of us safe and effective medicines! Can we do better? Yes indeed! I can confidently say that my colleagues with different technologies and new drug candidates all are driving towards a lower cost point for patients as a success metric!

[sfshooter]

Phase I, II and III are always conducted in humans. The difference in the case of vaccines is the size (#of test subjects) and complexity (# and type of cohorts, and #of test locations).

This is why I, as a small, private drug developer, would never, never embark down the path of vaccine development. The economics, risk/reward just don't work for a small company!

Oh, and to your question about the speed of development re: the mumps vaccine. The shortened development timeline was due entirely to the development of the antigen by using the newly developed mRNA technology rather than using killed virus or developing an inactivated variant. None of the safety/efficacy studies were abbreviated or altered in any way to shorten the Covid vaccine approval.


I apologize. I do not know anything about how the testing is done. I have always presumed that all measures were taken to make sure a vaccine does not endanger the subject it is given to.
If as you say none of the safety/efficacy studies were abbreviated or altered, then how is that there have been, as of October 8th, 16,766 deaths reported from the Covid vaccines?
The below graph depicts all deaths associated since 1990 when the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) was started. I'm seeing something wrong if none of the safety/efficacy studies were abbreviated or altered, when compared to all the previous developed vaccines.


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Data from VAERS can be found at www.openvaers.com or vaers.hhs.gov

[Old Dog New Trick]

Purely speculative on my part but, I do believe the bad data coming out “not in favor of” the Covid vaccine is the number of extreme elderly and those with preexisting medical co-morbidities that were given the vaccine as a prophylaxis but were going to die regardless.

I think there is too much hullabaloo about the vaccines and it’s not helpful in either direction.

Politics should have stayed out of the process but that is what this disease is about from the beginning!

[Trapper John]

I apologize. I do not know anything about how the testing is done. I have always presumed that all measures were taken to make sure a vaccine does not endanger the subject it is given to.
If as you say none of the safety/efficacy studies were abbreviated or altered, then how is that there have been, as of October 8th, 16,766 deaths reported from the Covid vaccines?
The below graph depicts all deaths associated since 1990 when the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) was started. I'm seeing something wrong if none of the safety/efficacy studies were abbreviated or altered, when compared to all the previous developed vaccines.


37538


Data from VAERS can be found at www.openvaers.com or vaers.hhs.gov

That graph is misleading. There have been no new vaccines developed since 1990. So of course all of the vaccine adverse events that are reported will be associated with the one new vaccine developed. I would need to get into the details for each event to comment further. But my point was that none of the requirements for safety evaluations were altered or abbreviated to bring this vaccine to market! I have already presented the factors that enabled the extraordinary rapid Covid vaccine development.

The larger question imho is, should we have focused on development of a vaccine against an endemic viral type, i.e corona virus instead of focusing on disease therapy?

My view is that vaccine against a corona virus is a fool's errand that may actually induce variants of virus! Development of low cost safe and effective therapeutics is a far better public health strategy imho. In this case the population would be able to easily survive disease and would ultimately develop natural immunity. But what do I know??

[Old Dog New Trick]

The larger question imho is, should we have focused on development of a vaccine against an endemic viral type, i.e corona virus instead of focusing on disease therapy?

My view is that vaccine against a corona virus is a fool's errand that may actually induce variants of virus! Development of low cost safe and effective therapeutics is a far better public health strategy imho. In this case the population would be able to easily survive disease and would ultimately develop natural immunity. But what do I know??

Therapy and treatment!

Exactly why this isn’t and shouldn’t be called a “vaccine” but a prophylaxis like a Flu shot. A “vaccine” is something that prevents for life or most of our life an incurable disease like Polio, Yellow Fever, MMR and others that we had “eradicated” through vaccination programs. A Flu shot is something you get every year because that’s all the good each one is - if you are lucky.

You know a lot more than Saint Fauci so don’t sell yourself short Doc! (Finest Kind!)

[Badger52]

The larger question imho is, should we have focused on development of a vaccine against an endemic viral type, i.e corona virus instead of focusing on disease therapy?

My view is that vaccine against a corona virus is a fool's errand that may actually induce variants of virus! Development of low cost safe and effective therapeutics is a far better public health strategy imho. In this case the population would be able to easily survive disease and would ultimately develop natural immunity. But what do I know??HERETIC! :p

I have a question to pose. It seems that, no matter the sample size - dozens, many hundreds, from this or that proponent of a therapeutic regimen - has anyone privately or nationally considered tracking those who have embarked on those regimens and assess them for antibodies? "In general" it sure seems easy for someone in East Ottertail, MN to get a Covid test. On the other hand, it doesn't seem, to me, that it's much advertised to get an antibody test. It almost makes me wonder why, at a national response level, they wouldn't want to know the state of that particular factor. Proving a negatiive... shucks.
:rolleyes:

But there would be no way to assess an assumption of validity without corraling people who've been, for example, on the FLCCC IVM preventive regimen, who have been outwardly without disease, and testing them.
I may have fumbled that a bit, but hope you can get my drift & the question.

[Surf n Turf]

There are a couple of questions embedded in that response so my apology in advance for a lengthy reply:
3. "Operation Warp Speed" accelerated manufacturing by removing the financial risk associated with scale-up of manufacturing processes and therefore the time required for the vaccine being ready for distribution. I am getting outside of my wheelhouse at this stage. SurfnTurf can probably more adequately respond here.


Operation Warp Speed

A preface…I believe that the Covid 19 was presented to the NCA as a potential worldwide pandemic, with potential high mortality. That would explain the sometimes outrageous response we are experiencing.

First, let me take a shot at explaining “Warp Speed” accelerated manufacturing, as I understand it.

1. The Federal government pre-purchased several BILLION dollars of vaccine and multi BILLION dose orders for “discovery or early- clinical testing ”medicines from the Pharma industry (many companies, not just Moderna, J&J, Janssen, or Pfizer). This allowed the companies to laser focus on common clinicals, Manufacturing and distribution, and to not worry about marketing, selling, or profits for their effort. They were guaranteed sales, profit and liability protection from the Federal Government. This process also allowed many different types and variants of vaccine to be tested and manufactured. (Salk / Sabin polio vaccine comes to mind, (though years apart).

This was a radical change to the business model, and to my knowledge had never been attempted before. There are now several HUNDRED companies that have Covid treatments in development / phased testing for a Covid remedy.

2. To shorten the time-to-market, “Warp speed” allowed IND, Phase 1, 2 and 3 clinical trials, “quantifiable” manufacturing, and distribution to all happen in parallel. (i.e.)The companies did not have to wait on Phase 3 approval before beginning production (Labs, equipment, staffing), Manufacturing (Plant, scheduling, procurement) and distribution to warehouses. Because of this compression several vaccines were “available” within WEEKS of the “Experiential Use Authorization” approval.

NOTE: by way of comparison, it normally takes 3 to 10 years to bring a new vaccine to market / distribution.

3. OPINION..This new method of responding to what was called a PANDEMIC may be useful in the future if we are “hit” with a real superbug, with high mortality. The major problems with the current vaccines are:

a. We don’t have reliable data on the true outcomes of the various vaccines (mortality, heart problems, neurological disorders, etc.) .

b. We don’t have any history of a vaccine that was just released, and is still labeled as experimental. (ed. This probably requires a trust between Government and the citizens that has not happened)


c. The threatening compulsory mandates for an injection of an experimental Covid-19 vaccine and the coercion with potential punishments, including loss of employment (Take the jab or lose your job) suspension, not honoring religious objection, discharge from the Armed Forces, and other major threats. Threatening the entire populating is not a good way to build confidence in the Covid treatments and the “science” behind it.

https://media.defense.gov/2020/Aug/12/2002475961/-1/-1/1/WARP-SPEED-VACCINE-TIMELINE.PDF

SnT

[tom kelly]

I'm sure Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg is on it.

Sect. Pete Butt has been on Paternity Leave since August... Even the Transportation Crisis at the Ports is terrible, he is not coming off leave...This Communist Democrat (POS) is helping to ruin this country...REMEMBER ALL Politics are Local... You might not be able to do anything about Buttige, or Biden, but there is the local democrat that supported them... Show the local democrat supporters that you oppose their policies.

[Box]

I realized this morning that I am mentally and emotionally exhausted by all things COVID.

The CCP fucked us.
The CCP fucked everybody.
They fucked everyone and yet there is still an endless stream of pimps and whores parading as "elected officials" that are profiting by doing business with a country that has fucked us all.
Pimps and whores parading as "elected officials" that push an eat-the-rich narrative while they are depositing their millions into tax-sheltered offshore bank accounts.

I've decided not to post in any more COVID-related threads - instead, I'm going to start doing something positive that will stimulate the mind instead of beating down people's emotional states.

I'm going to start posting word scrambles to get people's minds working again.
Here we go.........


elstograbnod


Welcome back to sanity my friends.
Stay healthy


Bonus Word Scramble:

petisneiddtnliklmihlsef

[sfshooter]

That graph is misleading. There have been no new vaccines developed since 1990. So of course all of the vaccine adverse events that are reported will be associated with the one new vaccine developed. I would need to get into the details for each event to comment further. But my point was that none of the requirements for safety evaluations were altered or abbreviated to bring this vaccine to market! I have already presented the factors that enabled the extraordinary rapid Covid vaccine development.

The larger question imho is, should we have focused on development of a vaccine against an endemic viral type, i.e corona virus instead of focusing on disease therapy?

My view is that vaccine against a corona virus is a fool's errand that may actually induce variants of virus! Development of low cost safe and effective therapeutics is a far better public health strategy imho. In this case the population would be able to easily survive disease and would ultimately develop natural immunity. But what do I know??


Okay Trapper, I'm not picking a fight. I respect your medical education and experience as it is definitely not my field. I completely agree that focus should be put on therapeutics that from reports are working exceptionally well.
But, in interest of trying not to make myself look like I'm really stupid :D I posit the following:

1990 – First vaccine for Hantavirus hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome
1991 – First vaccine for hepatitis A[13]
1998 – First vaccine for Lyme disease
1998 – First vaccine for rotavirus[14]
21st century
2003 – First nasal influenza vaccine approved in U.S. (FluMist)
2003 – First vaccine for Argentine hemorrhagic fever.[15]
2006 – First vaccine for human papillomavirus (which is a cause of cervical cancer)
2012 – First vaccine for hepatitis E[16]
2012 – First quadrivalent (4-strain) influenza vaccine
2013 – First vaccine for enterovirus 71, one cause of hand foot mouth disease[17]
2015 – First vaccine for malaria[18]
2015 – First vaccine for dengue fever[19]
2019 – First vaccine for Ebola approved[20]
2020 – First vaccine for COVID-19.


source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_vaccines



I'm not a huge fan of the source but that was just a quick search. Again, all respect, just defending my position how I don't think the vaccine has been proven safe; from the viewpoint of an uneducated Bravo.

Now, on to Box's word challenge..........

[sfshooter]

...............lets go brandon


and Bonus:

epstein didnt kill himself

[Trapper John]

Okay Trapper, I'm not picking a fight. I respect your medical education and experience as it is definitely not my field. I completely agree that focus should be put on therapeutics that from reports are working exceptionally well.
But, in interest of trying not to make myself look like I'm really stupid :D I posit the following:

1990 – First vaccine for Hantavirus hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome
1991 – First vaccine for hepatitis A[13]
1998 – First vaccine for Lyme disease
1998 – First vaccine for rotavirus[14]
21st century
2003 – First nasal influenza vaccine approved in U.S. (FluMist)
2003 – First vaccine for Argentine hemorrhagic fever.[15]
2006 – First vaccine for human papillomavirus (which is a cause of cervical cancer)
2012 – First vaccine for hepatitis E[16]
2012 – First quadrivalent (4-strain) influenza vaccine
2013 – First vaccine for enterovirus 71, one cause of hand foot mouth disease[17]
2015 – First vaccine for malaria[18]
2015 – First vaccine for dengue fever[19]
2019 – First vaccine for Ebola approved[20]
2020 – First vaccine for COVID-19.


source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_vaccines



I'm not a huge fan of the source but that was just a quick search. Again, all respect, just defending my position how I don't think the vaccine has been proven safe; from the viewpoint of an uneducated Bravo.

Now, on to Box's word challenge..........

I stand corrected! I over-stated my case. I should have pointed out that (i) total adverse events not normalized to the test subject population is very misleading and (ii) not reporting co-morbidity in the test subject populations further skews the results.

When I see graphs like these, my first reaction is that the author has an agenda and is trying to be convincing to a lay audience. I suspect that is the case here. I should have done my research and dived into the weeds before posting. I appreciate you calling me out on this one!

Finest Kind Brother! :lifter

Good job on the word scramble too. ;)

Note added for clarification: A meaningful comparison would be adverse events observed per capita over the same time (90 days for example) post vaccination for each vaccine, and of course gender and age matched.

[rsdengler]

I realized this morning that I am mentally and emotionally exhausted by all things COVID.

The CCP fucked us.
The CCP fucked everybody.
They fucked everyone and yet there is still an endless stream of pimps and whores parading as "elected officials" that are profiting by doing business with a country that has fucked us all.
Pimps and whores parading as "elected officials" that push an eat-the-rich narrative while they are depositing their millions into tax-sheltered offshore bank accounts.

I've decided not to post in any more COVID-related threads - instead, I'm going to start doing something positive that will stimulate the mind instead of beating down people's emotional states.

I'm going to start posting word scrambles to get people's minds working again.
Here we go.........


elstograbnod


Welcome back to sanity my friends.
Stay healthy


Bonus Word Scramble:

petisneiddtnliklmihlsef


Thank you, I think I'd rather have my head scrambled then have to hear one more word about "Covid"....CCP is Asshole...:D

[Box]

Thank you, I think I'd rather have my head scrambled then have to hear one more word about "Covid"....CCP is Asshole...:D


Okay...
Than I'll post an extra bonus one - just for you - but if you dont get it - it's back to remedial word jumble school for you:

dsgreernlathsevcidoiospots

[MR2]

4 out of 5 Doctors prefer Chesterfields. Remember those ads?

Never have I seen 'medicine' sell out so quickly since the days of 'big Tobacco'.

[Box]

4 out of 5 Doctors prefer Chesterfields. Remember those ads?

Never have I seen 'medicine' sell out so quickly since the days of 'big Tobacco'.

Don't forget - this is the SAME profession that kills as many as 400,000 people a year through malpractice - COVID (nearing her second birthday) has only killed about 350,000 per year.

When your profession kills more people per year than a dangerously uncontrollable and extremely deadly global pandemic, it only makes sense to help advertise the health benefits of unfiltered Chesterfields.
...especially when it brings with it the protection from malpractice lawsuits.



oonndbarelsgt

[Old Dog New Trick]

“Resignation” hell no!

This man is a fraud and has caused untold numbers of death and suffering. He needs to arrested and charged with capital crimes against humanity.

https://apple.news/AarcDLocsSVCWKxxMRMkTuw

GOP calls for Fauci investigation, resignation mount after NIH admits funding gain-of-function research.

[cbtengr]

Obviously Fauci is untouchable when it comes to crimes against humanity. His downfall will be crimes against animals. People seem to be a lot touchier when it comes to animals.

'Cruel' Fauci is condemned for spending $2m on experiments which saw beagles 'de-barked' and trapped in cages so flies could eat them alive. Bi-partisan fury at 'reprehensible misuse of taxpayer funds'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125599/Fauci-fire-puppy-experiments-utilized-disease-causing-parasites.html

[Badger52]

Torturing little beagles and cutting out their barkers so you don't have to listen to them is - however presented - going to have the glide angle of a free-fallin' safe.

[rsdengler]

Torturing little beagles and cutting out their barkers so you don't have to listen to them is - however presented - going to have the glide angle of a free-fallin' safe.

I'm sorry if this sounds insensitive, but I despise that man and everything he stands for. More then ever at this moment...:mad:

[Paslode]

I'm sorry if this sounds insensitive, but I despise that man and everything he stands for. More then ever at this moment...:mad:

I am eager to hear Fauci justification for torturing dogs with sand flies. As it stands Fauci is increasingly trending into Josef Mengele territory, he’s is a very sick and twisted man.

[Sohei]

The very things he did to those dogs should be done to him twice over and than again! He is a devil!

[Box]

Nothing in 2021 America is going to hurt Saint Fauci and with the current state of some of our more virtuous religious leaders, it doesn't look like holy water or even silver bullets will have any impact on this terrible man.

[Last hard class]

Fluvoximine:

Listened to a radio piece yesterday about this drug. Anti depressant, been around a long time and cheap. Like 25 cents per pill. Requires a 10 day usage.

Study in South America showed good success.

So, if you have vaccines for people that want them (like me), and you have a viable medicine alternative for people who contract the disease. Why do we need mandates?


LHC

[tom kelly]

Fluvoximine:

Listened to a radio piece yesterday about this drug. Anti depressant, been around a long time and cheap. Like 25 cents per pill. Requires a 10 day usage.

Study in South America showed good success.

So, if you have vaccines for people that want them (like me), and you have a viable medicine alternative for people who contract the disease. Why do we need mandates?


LHC So the BIG PHARM can pay their CEO's Millions of dollars.... How much will the U S Taxpayer have to spend for the Pfizer Vaccine...per dose ? anybody know

[Old Dog New Trick]

So the BIG PHARM can pay their CEO's Millions of dollars.... How much will the U S Taxpayer have to spend for the Pfizer Vaccine...per dose ? anybody know

Well, there is the actual cost which probably far less than what every “tax payer” will end up paying for each dose which will be astronomically higher.

The actual cost per unit/vial $?
The government negotiated cost $$?
The insurance industry negotiated cost $$$?
The cost per uninsured individual billed to Medicare/Medicaid $$$$?
The cost/value per wasted and discarded vaccine (billed to government/insurance institutions plus cost of safe destruction and disposal) $$$$$?

The cost if administered in:
- the Clinic next door $$$
- the Emergency Room $$$$
- the Intensive Care Unit $$$$$
- the 24-Hour Neighborhood Emergency Care (Private Hospital) $$$$$ (out of pocket cost if poor/homeless/destitute or can show an EBC card $0. Amount billed to all other paying patients with insurance $$$$$$)

And then there is what the paying U.S. “tax payer” is going to be billed through various government and non-government entities to provide absolutely free vaccines to illegal immigrants and other less fortunate countries receiving goodwill donations of the vaccine for free.

Because politicians love to give away “free stuff” whenever they can profit from giving it away for free.

[Paslode]

So the BIG PHARM can pay their CEO's Millions of dollars.... How much will the U S Taxpayer have to spend for the Pfizer Vaccine...per dose ? anybody know

Don't forget the politicians and DC bureaucrats who's stock portfolio's are busting at the seams from insider trading on Big Pharma.

[7624U]

Don't forget the politicians and DC bureaucrats who's stock portfolio's are busting at the seams from insider trading on Big Pharma.

You mean the same ones that exempted themselves from mandates ?

[Box]

well...

they've already proven that they can make you take whatever shots they tell you to take
wear masks whenever you are told
stay home when you are told

...next up, set in that chair America - now - put this cage on your head and check out these sand flies

[sfshooter]

A quick search produced a short Forbes article which said the government cost was $39 dollars for the two dose Pfizer regimen. Now consider that the government, for Operation Warp Speed, ordered 100 million doses. That gives Pfizer 2 billion just for that number. Now consider what the rest of the world has contributed plus what our government has bought since Warp Speed. A country like Israel where they were almost exclusively using Pfizer and now require 3 shots..........so 9 million population times 3 give ya 540 million dollars and that's if they charged the same price as the US paid.
Keep in mind this is just the Pfizer jab. Another quick search produced an article that the US has paid Moderna 6 billion for the vaccine effort.

Also consider that booster shots are now being required (I fully expect the FDA to put that out to Americans too) and you have a perpetual billion dollar money making plan.
Genius....or Greed?

[Box]

Genius....or Greed?

It's ABSOLUTELY pure genius when you consider that we are fighting a virus so deadly that only 99% of the population is going to survive its wrath.

This virus is so deadly - that it kills almost as many Americans per year as medical malpractice.
A virus so deadly that is kills almost as many Americans per year as cigarettes.
A global killer that is 5 million times more deadly than Alec Baldwin.

Dont believe the statistics that CDC keeps changing, redefining, and updating to mysteriously keep time with any changes in the political narrative - listen to the doctors - they know all about what it takes to kill a patient - that profession that kills 400,000 people a year through negligence and incompetence knows all about death. Listen to the scientists that swore HIV wasn't transmitted through unprotected sex and IV drug abuse until they said it WAS transmitted through unprotected sex and IV drug abuse.
Oddly enough - its the SAME FUCKING GUY that is now telling you that masks don't work until they do work but only indoors and only when you're vaccinated unless you aren't vaccinated and especially not when you aren't wearing a mask and not vaccinated.
The same people that are now blaming healthy people that DIDN'T take medicine on the sick state of people that DID take medicine.

Listen to the scientists that fed Snoopy to sand flies...
...then wonder why those same scientists are forcing Americans to submit to their ever changing medical protocols or rick losing your job.

Just accept hat we are all going to DIE. His judgement cometh folks - and that right soon...
...or not
...maybe later
...or sooner

Who knows

[7624U]

I've decided not to post in any more COVID-related threads - instead, I'm going to start doing something positive that will stimulate the mind instead of beating down people's emotional states.



What went wrong

[Box]

The joke is on you...

I haven't been posting COVID-related content in this thread.

What I have been doing is creating a multi-thread word jumble. In fact, ff you enter the text from every one of my posts since 5 October into a Gonculator and run the de-scramble and translate functions, you'll find that none of my content is addressing COVID related issues - it's actually a long rambling poem about the importance of "following the science" written in Iambic Pentameter.

Don't feel bad - it's a pretty complicated algorithm: a polyphonetically grouped 20-square-digit key transposed in boustrophedonic form with multiple nulls - I wrote it using a Drogans Decoder Wheel...
...but you can alo break the code with a gonculator.

[Badger52]

...but you can alo break the code with a gonculator.How many Box tops and what's the shipping & handling?

[Box]

How many Box tops and what's the shipping & handling?

You can't mail-order a Gonculator. They are hand built by Tech Sergeant Andrew Carter - sadly, Tech Sgt Carter passed away in 2003.

There is an old urban legend that you could get a drogans decoder wheel from a package of Lucky Charms - that is complete nonsense - the decoder wheels are only issued to Grade-19 FSB agents.


...I've already said too much.

[TOMAHAWK9521]

You can't mail-order a Gonculator. They are hand built by Tech Sergeant Andrew Carter - sadly, Tech Sgt Carter passed away in 2003.

There is an old urban legend that you could get a drogans decoder wheel from a package of Lucky Charms - that is complete nonsense - the decoder wheels are only issued to Grade-19 FSB agents.


...I've already said too much.

Pump the brakes there, son. We GLG-20s also have access to the Drogan's Decoder Wheel. You FSB-19 types are always thinking you're sooo high speed. :D

[Box]

Pump the brakes there, son. We GLG-20s also have access to the Drogan's Decoder Wheel. You FSB-19 types are always thinking you're sooo high speed. :D

I said level-19 FSB agents were ISSUED the device but by the time they make GLG-20 every self-respecting agent would have already memorized the wheel. I hope you're just kidding about still needing the wheel as a crutch.

...not judging because I was a medic (which is why I'm such a big fan of corona)

[TOMAHAWK9521]

I said level-19 FSB agents were ISSUED the device but by the time they make GLG-20 every self-respecting agent would have already memorized the wheel. I hope you're just kidding about still needing the wheel as a crutch.

...not judging because I was a medic (which is why I'm such a big fan of corona)

Clarification understood. As I was.:D

[GratefulCitizen]

A few thoughts on unintended consequences.

A certain percentage of the population is willing to quit their jobs rather than submit to jab mandates.
https://www.audacy.com/news/5-of-adults-have-quit-their-jobs-over-vaccination-mandates

Many in power, whether it be employers or government, shrug this off and consider it an acceptable loss.
They consider this percentage replaceable, but there is a fundamental error they’re making in their logic.

They are assuming that employees are fungible.
The reality: not all employees are equal in their productivity.

There is an idea called Price’s Law which proposes that half the productivity comes from the square root of the number of people in an organization.
Example: for a group of 100, half the productivity comes from 10 people.

It is debatable as to the exact math, but there is some general truth to it.
A certain number of employees are hyper productive.

Why this idea matters to the jab mandate:
-Just who are the employees that are willing and able to quit?

I propose that the employees who are willing and able to quit primarily come from that subset of hyper productive employees.
(This is not to imply that those who did get the jab can’t also be from among the hyper productive).

If they have the skills and/or resources to be able to quit they are probably highly competent.
The same competence that gives you such options tends to be the same competence that makes you good at your job.

The loss in productivity is likely to be far greater than the attrition rate would indicate.
Furthermore, employers and jurisdictions which resist the mandates are likely to benefit from an influx of these highly productive employees.

People aren’t interchangeable pawns.
I suspect government and some businesses are about to learn this the hard way.

[bubba]

A few thoughts on unintended consequences.

A certain percentage of the population is willing to quit their jobs rather than submit to jab mandates.
https://www.audacy.com/news/5-of-adults-have-quit-their-jobs-over-vaccination-mandates

Many in power, whether it be employers or government, shrug this off and consider it an acceptable loss.
They consider this percentage replaceable, but there is a fundamental error they’re making in their logic.

They are assuming that employees are fungible.
The reality: not all employees are equal in their productivity.

There is an idea called Price’s Law which proposes that half the productivity comes from the square root of the number of people in an organization.
Example: for a group of 100, half the productivity comes from 10 people.

It is debatable as to the exact math, but there is some general truth to it.
A certain number of employees are hyper productive.

Why this idea matters to the jab mandate:
-Just who are the employees that are willing and able to quit?

I propose that the employees who are willing and able to quit primarily come from that subset of hyper productive employees.
(This is not to imply that those who did get the jab can’t also be from among the hyper productive).

If they have the skills and/or resources to be able to quit they are probably highly competent.
The same competence that gives you such options tends to be the same competence that makes you good at your job.

The loss in productivity is likely to be far greater than the attrition rate would indicate.
Furthermore, employers and jurisdictions which resist the mandates are likely to benefit from an influx of these highly productive employees.

People aren’t interchangeable pawns.
I suspect government and some businesses are about to learn this the hard way.

I agree with the “math” of what you are promoting here, but would argue that there is a better than average chance that what is happening isn’t a symptom but the plan.

When, not if, the productivity goes down, then the “powers that be” can “blame” those who refused the jab. At the same time, they (the “powerful”) will have a good indicator of just who the “real problem children” are in any given group.

The “powerful” despise those with Free Will and the Courage to stand by their Convictions. The people who think they’re in charge want to actually be in charge of slaves who do as they’re told.

[GratefulCitizen]

I agree with the “math” of what you are promoting here, but would argue that there is a better than average chance that what is happening isn’t a symptom but the plan.

When, not if, the productivity goes down, then the “powers that be” can “blame” those who refused the jab. At the same time, they (the “powerful”) will have a good indicator of just who the “real problem children” are in any given group.

The “powerful” despise those with Free Will and the Courage to stand by their Convictions. The people who think they’re in charge want to actually be in charge of slaves who do as they’re told.

This.
Pride goeth before the fall.

[rsdengler]

The joke is on you...

I haven't been posting COVID-related content in this thread.

you'll find that none of my content is addressing COVID related issues - it's actually a long rambling poem about the importance of "following the science" written in Iambic Pentameter.



"Rambling"...Bahahahahaha...:D

[Airbornelawyer]

So, as we enter November, how many people do you suppose are not going to die of the cold or flu in this cold and flu season and instead be counted as COVID 19 deaths?

[cbtengr]

I think it is time to put this to bed. Especially when you can turn on college football or the World Series and see literally tens of thousands of fans sitting on top of each other from sea to shining sea. They are obviously not consumed with thoughts of the virus they are just ready to get on with their lives.

[Trapper John]

I think it is time to put this to bed. Especially when you can turn on college football or the World Series and see literally tens of thousands of fans sitting on top of each other from sea to shining sea. They are obviously not consumed with thoughts of the virus they are just ready to get on with their lives.

LET'S GO BRANDON...........

[Old Dog New Trick]

I think it is time to put this to bed. Especially when you can turn on college football or the World Series and see literally tens of thousands of fans sitting on top of each other from sea to shining sea. They are obviously not consumed with thoughts of the virus they are just ready to get on with their lives.

The “Next ICU Wave” in this diabolical plan to keep COVID going through the ‘22/‘24 election season.

It’s funny (not funny ha ha but,) when a hospital with 20 ICU beds says we’re completely full and in crisis mode in a community of 250,000 people. Because you know 100% full sounds so much more dire than “we are almost always at 80% capacity during normal hospitalization admissions throughout the year.”

Same holds true for a city such as Houston, TX., with over a thousand ICU beds and 11,000,000 people because you know less than .02% is still just less than .02%.

[Badger52]

The “Next ICU Wave” in this diabolical plan to keep COVID going through the ‘22/‘24 election season. Wisconsin, April 2020, Primary. Democrat machine screamed like hell in concert with the Faucistas to do it completely mail-in, or delay it. Didn't fly, too late said the courts. Over much of WI that day, weather overcast, drizzly, lots of umbrellas & people standing in line apart from each other. The overarching message was:
"You're all gonna die!"

~ 489,000 people voted. A few documented sniffles & bad colds and when it all shook out the CDC, who clearly wanted the outdoor equivalent of a super-spreader, determined that actual Chicom flu cases resulting were...
Zero.


Well, they sure as hell learned something about scripting the mail-in vote, eh?

[Swoop]

So, as we enter November, how many people do you suppose are not going to die of the cold or flu in this cold and flu season and instead be counted as COVID 19 deaths?

I would like to see a true analysis of the VID deaths taking into account of the underlying conditions that these people had. I am not denying that the VID is dangerous for these persons but I believe that for many of them any additional issues (flu, cold, etc) can exacerbate their conditions. We usually have between 40-60k flu deaths each year but apparently very few since the VID showed up……JMHO.

[Box]

many hospitals live on the very edge of being overcrowded

ALL.THE.TIME


When I was a much younger man, I would go and work at the ER at WAMC during red-cycle and let me make one thing clear - that fucking place was ALWAYS packed.
Saturday afternoon?
Nope - sorry,its summer time and all of those Saturday morning kids sports leagues have resulted in a myriad of sprained ankles, bloody noses, busted heads and broken arms.
...It's going to be awhile before we can get you into a bed.

Sunday night?
Nope sorry - all those home chefs decided to try some new bullshit they saw on TV and we are packed full of folks with explosive diarrhea and cramps. Plus, a few PFCs from the 82d got in a fight and we are stitching up a few heads...
...It's going to be awhile before we can get you into a bed.

Tuesday afternoon?
Nope, sorry - one of the Brigades is doing EIB and they had a bunch of dudes drop from heat casualties...
...It's going to be awhile before we can get you into a bed.

Thursday evening and your kid has a low grade fever and wont stop crying and your wife is out of town and you dont know what to do? When was the last time you fed this fucking kid? I'm pretty sure that this crying kid that you just picked up from day care is fucking hungry you idiot.
...It's going to be awhile before we can get you into a bed.

It has nothing to do with something that is pandemic, epidemic, endemic, or academic.
Hospital are damn near designed to work "near capacity"

You know why Central Carolina Hospital in Sanford only has 137 beds?
Because it isn't New York Presbyterian.
Sanford doesn't "need" 2600 beds - but the 137 that they have - tend to stay about 60-80 full ALL OF THE TIME.
...its how hospitals are built.

If you build a hospital that consistently operates "below capacity" then that hospital is loosing money. Doctors dont work for free - doctoring is a "for profit" industry - never forget that.
...COVID is a shiny new penny that makes EVERYONE want to go to the hospital because Saint Fauci has scared them all to death.

I have a friend...
I have a friend who has a friend...
I have a relative who has a friend...
We all have a relative of a friend of a relative that is friends with the relative of someones friend.
...and they have ALL been impacted by COVID in some way

They have also been impacted by high blood pressure, smoking, heart disease, medical malpractice, cancer, diabetes, COPD, male pattern baldness, erectile dysfunction, premature ejaculation, and the common cold.
This fucking scam is 99% survivable. Occasionally it will kill an otherwise young, virile, and otherwise healthy person without warning...
...just like every other disease that unexpectedly kills otherwise young, virile, and otherwise healthy persons

Stop allowing your physical, mental, and emotional health to be compromised by political posturing and the urge to draw things out a little longer in the name of profits. If you think I'm crazy just pay attention to how many fucking news reports are sponsored by Pfizer...

When the vaccine company is literally funding your daily news reports- well, do your own research and make your OWN choices.

[sfshooter]

Researching the CDC website is quite a chore. I'm quite certain they write everything up in the most convoluted manner possible.

A short time ago I seen the answer to the flu deaths. Approximately 36,000 deaths for the 2019/2020 season and 1800 deaths for the 2020/2021 season. Well guess what? I can't find those numbers now. Instead I find that the CDC (from their website) estimated approximately 20,000 deaths for the 2019/2020 season.
Their answer for flu death estimates for the 2020/2021 season? You're not going to get a real answer for that because:

"Prior to the 2020-2021 influenza season, the NCHS surveillance data were used to calculate the percent of all deaths occurring each week that had pneumonia and/or influenza (P&I) listed as a cause of death. Due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, COVID-19 coded deaths were added to P&I to create the PIC (pneumonia, influenza, and/or COVID-19) classification. PIC includes all deaths with pneumonia, influenza, and/or COVID-19 listed on the death certificate."


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/overview.htm#anchor_1539281356004


So the flu and influenza are now covid so just go ahead and get your jab. Get that flu jab too because that's money in big pharma's pocket as well even though we won't track flu anymore.

[Razor]

If a hospital has 10,000 ICU beds but has fired all the ICU nurses that didn't buy into blindly getting the Comply-Vid vaccine, what's the ICU capacity?

[Box]

If a hospital has 10,000 ICU beds but has fired all the ICU nurses that didn't buy into blindly getting the Comply-Vid vaccine, what's the ICU capacity?

EGG-ZACTLY RIGHT

The same people that were treating folks at the height of the scamdemic, long before the correct business model for complex profit chain themes and messaging antivirals was developed, are now somehow a chink in the armor. Now, those hospitals are so over worked that they have to lay off healthy medical professionals.

Don't worry though, you can hear all about it on tonight's 6 O'clock pharmaceutical report - right after the sports segment where kapernick reminds us that the NFL is like he civil war slave trade (forget about the fact that he is pissed off that the slave traders STILL wont offer him a multimillion dollar slave contract) - then you can watch the climate disaster/weather report






The weak of mind are in far more danger than the immunocompromised.

[JimP]

"...long before the correct business model for complex profit chain themes and messaging antivirals was developed, are now somehow a chink in the armor."

POINT OF ORDER: Having just finished the Tier One Transgender Training (no kidding), I "feel" I am woke AF. I therefor "feel" compelled to state that I am not sure we can say that anymore. I think we need to rephrase that to "...Asian of Chinese ancestry in the armor."

Thank you. I'm a helper, it's what I do. :cool:

[Box]

"...long before the correct business model for complex profit chain themes and messaging antivirals was developed, are now somehow a chink in the armor."

POINT OF ORDER: Having just finished the Tier One Transgender Training (no kidding), I "feel" I am woke AF. I therefor "feel" compelled to state that I am not sure we can say that anymore. I think we need to rephrase that to "...Asian of Chinese ancestry in the armor."

Thank you. I'm a helper, it's what I do. :cool:


Dude


I cant believe you went there.

[glebo]

Dude


I cant believe you went there.

Hey, It's an Asian of Chinese Ancestry buffet.....ya gotta go there...

[Box]

I'm not sure if this entire situation is even corrigible at this point.

[Badger52]

POINT OF ORDER: Having just finished the Tier One Transgender Training (no kidding), I "feel" I am woke AF. I therefor "feel" compelled to state that I am not sure we can say that anymore. I think we need to rephrase that to "...Asian of Chinese ancestry in the armor."

Thank you. I'm a helper, it's what I do. :cool:After LMAO (not at you) it occurs to me to ask if, at some point, you felt like repeating SERE would be an improvement?

[7624U]

"...long before the correct business model for complex profit chain themes and messaging antivirals was developed, are now somehow a chink in the armor."

POINT OF ORDER: Having just finished the Tier One Transgender Training (no kidding), I "feel" I am woke AF. I therefor "feel" compelled to state that I am not sure we can say that anymore. I think we need to rephrase that to "...Asian of Chinese ancestry in the armor."

Thank you. I'm a helper, it's what I do. :cool:

More simple sabotage is in order anytime you are required to get these classes, OK who brought in another blown out light bulb on the projector, Guess we just have to talk about the highlights of the class and not watch the videos. ( If it is broke you can't go woke)

[GratefulCitizen]

The dems have positioned themselves in a can’t-lose scenario.

If they win in court, they can deny federal overreach.
If they lose in court, they can blame pandemic problems on Republican governors.
If the pandemic peters out, they can claim it was due to them pushing vaccination rates high.

https://apnews.com/article/appeals-court-stays-vaccine-mandate-coronavirus-biden-b235b6fa858bd23b02ab5f9c009428db

[Badger52]

The dems have positioned themselves in a can’t-lose scenario.

If they win in court, they can deny federal overreach.
If they lose in court, they can blame pandemic problems on Republican governors.
If the pandemic peters out, they can claim it was due to them pushing vaccination rates high.

https://apnews.com/article/appeals-court-stays-vaccine-mandate-coronavirus-biden-b235b6fa858bd23b02ab5f9c009428dbPolitical animals have a history of spinning whatever happens in a light that raises them & denigrates everyone else. It's SOP.

Because reparations are needed for the illegal alien 'victims' of the last administration's inhumane policies, and the new governor in VA was elected by racist white women, and 13 "bi-partisan" Republicans helped pass a $1.2T infrastructure bill.

[Box]

It's a sad state when citizens are FORCED to include lawyers as part of their personal health care strategy.

Make no mistakes - what you are witnessing is the death of personal freedom and liberty.
...and the shot didn't come from an evil black rifle - it came from a 22 gauge needle


Do as you are told and go have your peas.

[Paslode]

Do as you are told and go have your peas.


It's much more enjoyable to be obstinate ;)

[rsdengler]

Do as you are told and go have your peas.

You're not my father...Hahahahaha...No I won't eat my peas:D

We definitely live in Bizarroland...Phew, it's like running around in a constant circle and never finding a way out...

[Badger52]

Peter Navarro, of former Trump administration Chicom Virus Taskforce lets it all hang out (https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2021/11/08/exclusive-peter-navarro-millions-died-because-sociopath-fauci-withheld-details-wuhan-lab-trump-administration/) about Herr Doktor Fauci in his book. (So yeah, there's a book...)

“I can’t tell you how toxic that man is,” Navarro, author of In Trump Time: My Journal of America’s Plague Year, said on Monday’s edition of SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Daily with host Alex Marlow. “He’s a sociopath. He’s a narcissist.”

He continued, “[Fauci’s] biggest lie was not to Rand Paul and Congress about gain-of-function experimentations, per se. His lie of omission was not to tell us — the president’s task force — in January that he strongly suspected, as he did, that that virus was from a lab in Wuhan, that he had funded that lab, and that he had authorized gain-of-function experiments which can turn harmless bat viruses into human killers.”

“Fauci had to know,” he added. “Fauci had to friggin’ know exactly what was going on. He held it from us. Millions of people — I can’t stress how important this is, if we had known then what we know now — we could have saved millions of lives if Fauci had just come clean.”

Navaro said Fauci was opposed to banning travel to the U.S. from any country as early as January 2020.

“[On] January 28th, 2020, President Trump has made the decision but not yet announced that he would pull down travel from communist China, and he’s been very serious about this,” he shared. “Basically, at that point, three people in the White House who were deeply concerned about the pandemic [are] the boss, it’s Robert O’Brien’s, the national security adviser, and myself.”

Former White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney and former Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CSC) Robert Redfield obstructed Trump’s intent to implement a “travel ban” to prevent coronavirus transmission in the U.S. from abroad, Navarro shared.

“There are four people that are going to give me trouble,” he recalled. “[Mick] Mulvaney, acting chief of staff, I’ve got one of Pompeo’s hacks there, the bumbling [Robert] Redfield, and of course [Alex] Azar, the secretary of Health and Human Services, but sitting across from me is little guy with little round glasses who I immediately get into a violent argument with and he just keeps insisting that travel bans don’t work. It’s like Flaubert’s parrot.” [I][ok, that's funny-badger52]

He went on, “I’m thinking to myself, ‘Who is this guy?’ Finally, I say to [Fauci], ‘Dude’ — and I actually called him ‘dude,’ I didn’t know I should have addressed him as Dr. Fauci at the time — I go, ‘Dude, you mean to tell me if there’s like 20,000 Chinese nationals coming in every day to Kennedy and Dulles and LAX and O’Hare — many of them lit up with the Wuhan virus like a Christmas tree — that [they should] just come on down?'”

Fauci “just kept saying travel bans don’t work,” Navarro emphasized. He said Fauci advised Trump “not to worry” about the coronavirus in January 2020.

“One of the missions of the book is to get Fauci out of government and into a jail cell,” he remarked.

:munchin

[Badger52]

Was perusing this and got a kick out of one little tidbit. Justice Engelhardt took a nice swipe at the CDC for its previous illegal order of "you can't evict dead-beat renters during a pandemic."

"But health agencies do not make housing policy (are you self-important preening tyrants at the CDC listening?), and occupational safety administrations do not make health policy." Pg. 20 of the 22 page decision. LOL, fine writing Your Honor. Pretty easy read as these things go.
:munchin

[GratefulCitizen]

Seen something recent about “peptide” vaccines.
Are there any SMEs on this board that can explain, in layman’s terms, how these vaccines differ from mRNA and other vaccines?

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/new-covid19-vaccine-offering-longlasting-immunity-passes-first-human-trial/

[Box]

...No I won't eat my peas:D

I didn't say you had to eat your peas - I would never be so bold as to try and direct a person's dietary needs. (your diet, your choice and all that jazz)

I said "have your peas"
...big difference - especially as we bear witness to the dawning of the age of brandon

You'll have those peas - brandons secret police will see to it.

[pcfixer]

Malone: Leaky Vaccines Are Sparking an ‘Arms Race Between Us and the Virus’

War Room assembled a collection of leaky vaccine warnings from mRNA inventor Dr. Robert Malone.

“You can’t vaccinate your way out of this pandemic,” Malone cautioned. “Advocating universal vaccination with a leaky vaccine drives vaccine resistant mutants. That’s virology 1A. Viruses that are able to survive in people who have been vaccinated are going to be more resistant to vaccines, and what we end up with is an arms race between us and the virus.” Similar to antibiotic resistant superbugs, the vaccines are nurturing powerful viral variants, what Malone calls an “evolving supervirus.”

He recommends immediate termination of the mass vaccination program and shifting the focus to therapeutics and early Covid treatment protocols like those recommended by FLCCC and Zeb Zelenko.

Rumble link War Room
Hat tip @realKarliBonne
Learn more Leaky Vaccines

@LibertyOverwatchChannel

https://socrates-wellness-institute.com/hhs-documents-admit-the-cdc-has-never-isolated-any-covid-19-virus/
HHS documents admit the CDC has never isolated any “covid-19 virus”
PCR tests nothing but instrument NOISE
The global covid HOAX is rapidly unraveling

"It is time for all human beings who wish to preserve the human race to peacefully rise up and reject this genocidal extermination attempt."

This is why US Sen. Rand Paul is now calling for Americans to resist lockdowns and mask mandates, stating ”We don’t have to accept the mandates, lockdowns, and harmful policies of the petty satraps and feckless bureaucrats. We can simply say no.

[Trapper John]

Seen something recent about “peptide” vaccines.
Are there any SMEs on this board that can explain, in layman’s terms, how these vaccines differ from mRNA and other vaccines?

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/new-covid19-vaccine-offering-longlasting-immunity-passes-first-human-trial/

GC- The article at the attached link does a good job of explaining the process of immunity development. Your question relates to the method of formulation for vaccines. All vaccines need to present the antigens (proteins) of the virus to develop an immune response to the target virus. Historically, the virus was either killed or attenuated so as not to cause disease when presented to the subject. You may recall vaccines being described as either live virus i.e. attenuated or killed virus.

The time required for vaccine development was primarily that required to isolate the target virus and produce it in sufficient quantity then either kill it or attenuate it for formulation as a vaccine product. This typically requires one to two years of development.

The next step is the efficacy and safety testing for regulatory approval, i.e. clinical trials. This may require another year of development time. SurfNTurf provided a pretty good summary of this process earlier in this thread.

In the present case for Covid vaccine development the mRNA technology was used to significantly reduce development time. In this case the mRNA to the spike proteins of SARS COV-2 were formulated for injection and the mRNA produced the protein identical to the spike protein. The body develops immunity in the same way it would if exposed to the virus itself. This reduced the development time by two years. Pre-purchase of the finished product in bulk reduced development time by another year.

As to your question about peptide vaccines, this relates to the synthetic development of the key antigenic fragments i.e. peptides in the spike protein. These peptides are formulated for injection into a patient and development of immunity to these specific antigens. The key here is to develop the correct mixture of peptides to provide an immune response targeting the spike proteins. The advantage to this strategy is the ability to develop/synthesize multiple peptides quickly and be able to respond to variants of SARS Cov-2.

I hope this helps.:D

[GratefulCitizen]

I hope this helps.:D

That was very helpful.
My understanding is that all of them are methods of producing practice dummies for our immune systems to attack.

Peptide and mRNA vaccines are faster in the development and production process.
But the peptide vaccines don’t use our own cellular machinery to produce those practice dummies.

Is this correct?

[Trapper John]

That was very helpful.
My understanding is that all of them are methods of producing practice dummies for our immune systems to attack.

Peptide and mRNA vaccines are faster in the development and production process.
But the peptide vaccines don’t use our own cellular machinery to produce those practice dummies.

Is this correct?

you're good to go at this station. ;)

[Badger52]

Full link here. (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/12/22/supreme-court-accepts-and-schedules-hearing-on-biden-vaccine-mandate-for-january-7/)


BREAKING TONIGHT – The Supreme Court has announced [LINK HERE and LINK HERE] it will hold a special hearing next month to consider challenges to the Biden administration’s vaccine mandate for large employers and a separate coronavirus vaccine mandate for health-care workers.

Both vaccine mandates have been partially blocked from going into effect by lower courts after challenges from states, business and religious coalitions.

Justices Alito and Kavanaugh both received requests, both affirmed acceptance, and then both cases were consolidated by THE COURT. The court will hear oral arguments for one hour on Friday January 7, 2022, just before the court begins regularly scheduled oral arguments.

[PRB]

No vax's here for a few reasons... I am healthy, not overly trustworthy of these rushed jobs and have had angioedema since the 1st Gulf War ....just weird swelling hither and yon for no explained reasons..half a lip, half a tongue, wrist, patch on buttocks, thumb for God's sake etc. Weird. Internally feel just peachy.
Finally got it under control with Nopal powder and a bit of Zertec.


I have been out and about since this began, never locked down, shake hands, hug, kiss on the cheek ... no distancing, no mask.

Nada over the 2 plus years... I do remember having an irritating cough and some fatigue early in 2020 but that's it.

Luck you say.... No, I have an anti Fauci good luck charm

Oh, Yeah...hugged a gal that had covid over a week ago (she found out next day) and prob not the first exposure

[Paslode]

No vax for me, I've been out and about since the beginning and no ill effects. I had ablation procedure for Afib almost a year to the day, my Cardiologist has not said a word about the jab. Arrowhead Stadium is packed with well over 100k people every home game, people are shoulder to shoulder and there has been no apocalypse following any of these gatherings.

I know one family that had the WuFlu in spring 2020 and a lady who rencetly spent 4 days in the ER and 4 weeks in Rehab after her booster.

No matter what SCOTUS determines, I have absolutely no intention of getting jabbed either voluntarily or through coercion.

[Badger52]

No vax's here for a few reasons... I am healthy, not overly trustworthy of these rushed jobs and have had angioedema since the 1st Gulf War ....just weird swelling hither and yon for no explained reasons..half a lip, half a tongue, wrist, patch on buttocks, thumb for God's sake etc. Weird. Internally feel just peachy.
Finally got it under control with Nopal powder and a bit of Zertec.


I have been out and about since this began, never locked down, shake hands, hug, kiss on the cheek ... no distancing, no mask.

Nada over the 2 plus years... I do remember having an irritating cough and some fatigue early in 2020 but that's it.

Luck you say.... No, I have an anti Fauci good luck charm

Oh, Yeah...hugged a gal that had covid over a week ago (she found out next day) and prob not the first exposure
I think your tale is a nice contrast (in a 2 sides to the same coin way) to the many nurses who've (apparently) had enough. I vividly recall one speaking to her hospital conglomerate/cartel/whatever and pointing out that she and her co-workers were healthy (beyond the enormous fatigue of the shifts they pulled) and had used all their skills and protocols for 18 months, being called heroes etc. Suddenly, she and her colleagues are now determined to be a threat because they won't take an experimental injection. Apparently enough are starting to say "enough" and ability to report proper capacity is spiralling down the commode.

[7624U]

No vax's here for a few reasons... I am healthy, not overly trustworthy of these rushed jobs and have had angioedema since the 1st Gulf War ....just weird swelling hither and yon for no explained reasons..half a lip, half a tongue, wrist, patch on buttocks, thumb for God's sake etc. Weird. Internally feel just peachy.
Finally got it under control with Nopal powder and a bit of Zertec.


I have been out and about since this began, never locked down, shake hands, hug, kiss on the cheek ... no distancing, no mask.

Nada over the 2 plus years... I do remember having an irritating cough and some fatigue early in 2020 but that's it.

Luck you say.... No, I have an anti Fauci good luck charm

Oh, Yeah...hugged a gal that had covid over a week ago (she found out next day) and prob not the first exposure

You took the red pill like I did a long time ago.

[PSM]

No vax's here for a few reasons... I am healthy, not overly trustworthy of these rushed jobs and have had angioedema since the 1st Gulf War ....just weird swelling hither and yon for no explained reasons..half a lip, half a tongue, wrist, patch on buttocks, thumb for God's sake etc. Weird. Internally feel just peachy.
Finally got it under control with Nopal powder and a bit of Zertec.


I have been out and about since this began, never locked down, shake hands, hug, kiss on the cheek ... no distancing, no mask.

Nada over the 2 plus years... I do remember having an irritating cough and some fatigue early in 2020 but that's it.

Luck you say.... No, I have an anti Fauci good luck charm

Oh, Yeah...hugged a gal that had covid over a week ago (she found out next day) and prob not the first exposure

I've really never gotten "take a day off" sick since 1971. Like you, at the beginning of this, I felt "yucky" for 3 days and had no appetite. I didn't feel sick, just not normal. Don't know if I had a temperature because we didn't have a thermometer since we never get sick. Three days of soup and I was GTG. I also made a point to shake hands with everyone just to make them feel better and less afraid. I'm the dude that's considered "elderly".

[PRB]

I've really never gotten "take a day off" sick since 1971. Like you, at the beginning of this, I felt "yucky" for 3 days and had no appetite. I didn't feel sick, just not normal. Don't know if I had a temperature because we didn't have a thermometer since we never get sick. Three days of soup and I was GTG. I also made a point to shake hands with everyone just to make them feel better and less afraid. I'm the dude that's considered "elderly".

Not me, I'm only 71.... I'd rather be lucky than smart and, in this debacle, have simply carried on like I was whisltin' past a grave yard. I've been around lots who have had the bug...another just recently besides the one mentioned...
I am guessing that the exposures have enabled my own immune system but that is supposition.

[PSM]

Not me, I'm only 71....

:D:D:D:lifter

[Badger52]

:D:D:D:lifter"gentlemen of a certain vintage" has a nice ring to it.

[bandycpa]

It has nothing to do with something that is pandemic, epidemic, endemic, or academic.
Hospital are damn near designed to work "near capacity"

You know why Central Carolina Hospital in Sanford only has 137 beds?
Because it isn't New York Presbyterian.
Sanford doesn't "need" 2600 beds - but the 137 that they have - tend to stay about 60-80 full ALL OF THE TIME.
...its how hospitals are built.

If you build a hospital that consistently operates "below capacity" then that hospital is loosing money. Doctors dont work for free - doctoring is a "for profit" industry - never forget that.
...COVID is a shiny new penny that makes EVERYONE want to go to the hospital because Saint Fauci has scared them all to death.



https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-us-supreme-court-business-health-d96c0c56d5560f89f6bdbb7284480db6

"Justice Stephen Breyer said he found it “unbelievable” that it could be in the 'public interest' to put that (large employer vaccine-or-testing) rule on hold. He said that on Thursday there were some 750,000 new cases in the country and that hospitals are full."

I read this after I saw Box's post today, and it put things in a whole new light. Of course hospitals are full! They're supposed to be if properly designed.

But no one in the Supreme Court sees it that way. Full hospitals are seen as a direct result of the pandemic when in fact they're an indicator that the budgeted number of beds and staff are pretty much spot on.

[Paslode]

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-us-supreme-court-business-health-d96c0c56d5560f89f6bdbb7284480db6

"Justice Stephen Breyer said he found it “unbelievable” that it could be in the 'public interest' to put that (large employer vaccine-or-testing) rule on hold. He said that on Thursday there were some 750,000 new cases in the country and that hospitals are full."

I read this after I saw Box's post today, and it put things in a whole new light. Of course hospitals are full! They're supposed to be if properly designed.

But no one in the Supreme Court sees it that way. Full hospitals are seen as a direct result of the pandemic when in fact they're an indicator that the budgeted number of beds and staff are pretty much spot on.

SCOTUS rulings are based less and less on The Law, and more and more on their personal feelings. That goes hand in hand with the US going from a country based on laws to a country based on woke.

[Box]

Rulings from the SCOTUS, Congressional hearings, and the overall flow of information always seems to change gears when the public needs to be distracted
...if it is decided that we need mandates to cover some tracks somewhere, so be it

pfft

[7624U]

Project Veritas release a few memo's from DARPA emails. my guess he don't want to get the vaccine lol
Don't know if they are legit but good reading on technical points of the virus from a insider.

https://assets.ctfassets.net/syq3snmxclc9/2mVob3c1aDd8CNvVnyei6n/95af7dbfd2958d4c2b8494048b4889b5/JAG_Docs_pt1_Og_WATERMARK_OVER_Redacted.pdf

[Badger52]

Project Veritas release a few memo's from DARPA emails. my guess he don't want to get the vaccine lol
Don't know if they are legit but good reading on technical points of the virus from a insider.

https://assets.ctfassets.net/syq3snmxclc9/2mVob3c1aDd8CNvVnyei6n/95af7dbfd2958d4c2b8494048b4889b5/JAG_Docs_pt1_Og_WATERMARK_OVER_Redacted.pdfThanks for posting the link. Sooooo..... there is some language in those docs that indicates some humans should swing, or go feet-first into the Morbark. Maybe that's why Twitter got so scratchy & blacklisted PV's #ExposeFauci account.

[GratefulCitizen]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/supreme-court-ruling-biden-covid-vaccine-mandates.html

Will this be used as cover for a political retreat?

[Paslode]

Thanks for posting the link. Sooooo..... there is some language in those docs that indicates some humans should swing, or go feet-first into the Morbark. Maybe that's why Twitter got so scratchy & blacklisted PV's #ExposeFauci account.


At a minimum and probably the real reason the FBI raided PV for Ashley Biden's diary. If these documents are factual this would indicate that Fauci and others were quite aware that there were treatments from the virus well in advance........were talking Crimes against Humanity.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I tested positive today using a Binex antigen test. Five or ten day staycation at home!

Feel fine but had bad chills before waking up this morning and general malaise off and on today. Rapid heart rate (>100bpm). O2 Saturation is good for me 98%. Blood pressure good 128/68. New dry cough the last couple days. Still smell and taste everything.

Time to up the zinc, vitamin D and immunity boosters.

Got my booster shot (Pfizer) on 01/11/22 with very little to no side effects.

Surprised with what I do for work it’s taken this long, was beginning to think I was invincible. Damn sure I got it at work.

Good news is both wife and kid (who was exposed in four consecutive classes at school yesterday) have tested negative.

59 with diabetes and hypertension (both treated well and under control). Let’s get ready for the ride.

[Badger52]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/supreme-court-ruling-biden-covid-vaccine-mandates.html

Will this be used as cover for a political retreat?Someone needs to write another Emancipation Proclamation for the health care workers, since the lily livers on the bench couldn't manage to find their spine from the inside. Under the circumstances even the janitor that works there is caught up.

As political cover, it may combine with the recent pleadings from within his own party to take a different approach because it's clear that the Faucistas' version of "science" isn't cutting it.

[Paslode]

I tested positive today using a Binex antigen test. Five or ten day staycation at home!

Feel fine but had bad chills before waking up this morning and general malaise off and on today. Rapid heart rate (>100bpm). O2 Saturation is good for me 98%. Blood pressure good 128/68. New dry cough the last couple days. Still smell and taste everything.

Time to up the zinc, vitamin D and immunity boosters.

Got my booster shot (Pfizer) on 01/11/22 with very little to no side effects.

Surprised with what I do for work it’s taken this long, was beginning to think I was invincible. Damn sure I got it at work.

Good news is both wife and kid (who was exposed in four consecutive classes at school yesterday) have tested negative.

59 with diabetes and hypertension (both treated well and under control). Let’s get ready for the ride.

My wife and daughter tested positive and they are both jabbed. I was around the house with them the entire time and have had no symptoms to date.

I am unjabbed and not quite sure what to think.

[Badger52]

I tested positive today using a Binex antigen test. Five or ten day staycation at home!

Feel fine but had bad chills before waking up this morning and general malaise off and on today. Rapid heart rate (>100bpm). O2 Saturation is good for me 98%. Blood pressure good 128/68. New dry cough the last couple days. Still smell and taste everything.
Circling back, hope that's the worst of it for you. From my little brief party dance that sensory thing should be a felony because... bacon.

Did anyone you contacted in the public health world, given you're just a couple days in with light symptoms, suggest monoclonal antibodies?

[Old Dog New Trick]

Circling back, hope that's the worst of it for you. From my little brief party dance that sensory thing should be a felony because... bacon.

Did anyone you contacted in the public health world, given you're just a couple days in with light symptoms, suggest monoclonal antibodies?

Nothing yet and it’s Saturday so my doctor is off, and my agency’s medical office is closed. Feel good other than headache and back pain but back pain is something I live with. By the time this long weekend ends I’ll either be cured or in the ER.

[PSM]

Hit us now, too. My wife woke up achy and with chills last Saturday morning. Developed a bad headache and loss of appetite but still could taste. She moved into the guest bedroom for 2 and 1/2 days. I started gargling with H2O2 mixed with Listerine. Since the beginning, in 2020, I've taken vitamin D, zinc, and quinine (tonic water with orange juice).

Neither of us have been vaccinated and my wife is 6 years younger than me. I woke up Monday morning with a runny nose, feeling slight chills, and my eyes hurt but no headache. I didn't mention it to my wife, but I expected to wake up with it full-blown on Tuesday. Tuesday morning I woke up feeling fine. My taste buds were screwed up by the gargling but nothing else. No testing so we have no idea what we actually had, but, for me, it was less than the mildest cold I've ever had. I have no lasting effects, but my wife has a slight lingering cough.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I tried sleeping for nearly 12 hours last night, tossed and turned a lot but feel better today. Heart rate is back to normal and feel much better now. Headache is gone with OTC Mucinex Maximum Strength Severe Cold and Flu medicine. Hopefully this was all it is…

[Badger52]

By the time this long weekend ends I’ll either be cured or in the ER.Exactly. Wish you the best. Mayo lady that dealt with me over the phone and set up the antibodies said (their diktat) they wanted to avoid light symptoms going away only to come roaring back later.

PSM probably just scared hell out of his, given his locale. :D

[Sohei]

I tried sleeping for nearly 12 hours last night, tossed and turned a lot but feel better today. Heart rate is back to normal and feel much better now. Headache is gone with OTC Mucinex Maximum Strength Severe Cold and Flu medicine. Hopefully this was all it is…

Glad to hear that you appear to be on the downside of it now. Welcome to the herd! ;)

[PSM]

PSM probably just scared hell out of his, given his locale. :D

What?! I like my ER, they've been very, very good to me. This is a really nice hospital (https://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43985&highlight=Sierra+Vista+Regional). It sucks that I have to keep injuring myself to visit it. My wife loves the waiting room. It's very comfy. :D

[Badger52]

What?! I like my ER, they've been very, very good to me. This is a really nice hospital (https://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43985&highlight=Sierra+Vista+Regional). It sucks that I have to keep injuring myself to visit it. My wife loves the waiting room. It's very comfy. :DLOL. I meant perhaps virus is scaredy-cat to venture off the pavement & even come after you.
:cool:

[frostfire]

Nothing yet and it’s Saturday so my doctor is off, and my agency’s medical office is closed. Feel good other than headache and back pain but back pain is something I live with. By the time this long weekend ends I’ll either be cured or in the ER.

I'm sure this is redundant but just in case...
In past threads I recall you have a pulse ox.
If your reading drops under 94% despite resting n deep breathing please have someone drive you to the ER asap!

Its the regular threshold before I put some one on o2 back in the ER. But I remember the last patient who almost required medevac. Her personal doc advised her against antibodies when her symptoms were mild. Few days later when her O2 sat dropped, we brought her in, put on o2 n by then she consented to the antibody + few other cocktails. The medevac was initiated but thankfully she turned around. No vaccines available during this time so we had a nurse who already got and recovered to work 1:1 with the patient

[Old Dog New Trick]

Just let you guys know,‘I’m pretty much sure this thing is 99.83% in the rear-view-mirrors; left behind at the first rest stop. Today has been quite normal for me. Never once felt a respiratory or clotting problem and O2 saturation levels have remained normal for me (which is about 98%) up to 100 or down to 95 (rarely). BP has been good even with all the extra cold&flu meds.

[Badger52]

That is good to hear, thanks.

[pcfixer]

Just let you guys know,‘I’m pretty much sure this thing is 99.83% in the rear-view-mirrors; left behind at the first rest stop. Today has been quite normal for me. Never once felt a respiratory or clotting problem and O2 saturation levels have remained normal for me (which is about 98%) up to 100 or down to 95 (rarely). BP has been good even with all the extra cold&flu meds.

You will be okay. I tested positive 31st December. So, my staycation ended 10th.
Mostly coughing and sneezing with mild nose congestions. Took the normal regimin of vitamins I've taken for over 6 months now-. What helped me was use of a netipot with salt water. i've taken only 1 covid vaccine. J&J in June 2021. I'm in the camp on no mRNA vaccines. Found on deepcapture I'm in the camp of Army Flight Surgeon named Lt. Colonel Dr. Theresa Long, MD, of Ft. Rucker. for those who would read her affidavit, by the way a good read. I like her reasoning!
""US COVID-19 Vaccines Proven to Cause More Harm than Good Based on Pivotal Clinical Trial Data Analyzed Using the Proper Scientific Endpoint, All Cause Severe Morbidity,” by J. Bart Classen, MD and published in Trends in Internal Medicine; August 25, 2021.""

I'm 74, very good health by was VA doctor has said and my Johns Hopkins doctor last visit in October, At least I'll live till my next appointment!sarcasm

I hope this helps. :lifter

[Trapper John]

Just let you guys know,‘I’m pretty much sure this thing is 99.83% in the rear-view-mirrors; left behind at the first rest stop. Today has been quite normal for me. Never once felt a respiratory or clotting problem and O2 saturation levels have remained normal for me (which is about 98%) up to 100 or down to 95 (rarely). BP has been good even with all the extra cold&flu meds.

I am really glad to hear that you are better! But, how did you calculate that probability so precisely?:p

[Old Dog New Trick]

I am really glad to hear that you are better! But, how did you calculate that probability so precisely?:p

The number of people in the world population not affected by or recovered from Covid. :D *

I will add the Apple Watch 7’s blood oxygen sensor is spot on and handy. Matches up with my pulse oximeter with same results.

(ETA: * I made it up like all statistics :p)

[Badger52]

I will add the Apple Watch 7’s blood oxygen sensor is spot on and handy. Matches up with my pulse oximeter with same results.
LOL. A data point with more actual value than internet statistics.
:lifter

[7624U]

What helped me was use of a netipot with salt water. sarcasm

I hope this helps. :lifter



Funny you said netipot. some 18D's are currently messing with nose wash and deluded Iodine solution to kill off COVID in the nasal passage. Saying it really speeds up recovery.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I have and been using a Naväge Sodium Chloride nasal wash system.

[sg1987]

Just let you guys know,‘I’m pretty much sure this thing is 99.83% in the rear-view-mirrors; left behind at the first rest stop. Today has been quite normal for me. Never once felt a respiratory or clotting problem and O2 saturation levels have remained normal for me (which is about 98%) up to 100 or down to 95 (rarely). BP has been good even with all the extra cold&flu meds.

Glad to hear that you're recovering well!

I'm recovering from my second go around now. This one is a piece of cake! The first go around, I was sick and positive over 2 months, starting July 2020. This time was limited to 48 or so hours of fever and aches...feeling back to normal (at least as normal as I will ever be :D) after 72 hours.

[pcfixer]

Funny you said netipot. some 18D's are currently messing with nose wash and deluded Iodine solution to kill off COVID in the nasal passage. Saying it really speeds up recovery.

:lifter Yes, exactly. I've used table salt, but other salts can be used.
My wife has sinus issues, so I also use her NeilMed rinse.

I personally haven't used the Iodine, but several friends are using more for
preventive measures. Thinking is that killing the virus in the nose and throat
will prevent getting tested positive.

Old proverb. “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”

[Old Dog New Trick]

Last night I flushed my sinuses out again with the Naväge (Saline solution) and tested positive again this morning. So anecdotally I’d say it may be preventive but does not eliminate the virus from your nose.

I am feeling completely recovered now, but I’m still in at home isolation.

I have no freaking idea why the CDC is saying “five days” and you can go back to work and (not) infect others… I tested positive first time on Friday a week ago, again on Monday and then this morning. So clearly I pose a risk to others as a completely vaccinated and “boosted” person!

[Badger52]

I have no freaking idea why the CDC is saying “five days” and you can go back to work and (not) infect others…I'm not sure it falls into the baliwick of Lesko Brandon and the Routine Crimes Unit. But I'll go out on a limb & bet their decision was based more on "Holy Shit we can't continue to have all these essential people out of the supply chain for 10 days at a crack!" and less about suddenly discovering after 2 years that transmissibility is magically halved.

Glad you're feeling good, that's what's important. :)