Wuhan Coronavirus

[Old Dog New Trick]

This study published in the WAPO is similar to the one I read through work and from same source.

https://apple.news/AzNrQfdYhR3-0z1r5yzj-hQ

Some things to keep in mind: Airborne droplets are quite large by comparison to the gases we breathe. Virus particles are many times smaller than those droplets (about one billionth times smaller.) The larger the droplets the faster they fall to the ground (where they can be touched but unlikely to be inhaled.) While the smaller ones may remain airborne longer they dry out faster (which theoretically means anything attached to it dies.)

This study only examined what comes out the front of the mask through normal speech. It did not examine or test what comes out the sides, top or bottom during speech, coughing or sneezing.

It also does not determine the loss of protection over time as the materials are soaked with respiratory effort, humidity or fabric breakdown over time. (A surgical mask is only recommended to be used for no more than two hours before being discarded and replaced.) Because a warm moist area is a breeding ground for bacteria and viruses to thrive.

And lastly (not this study) how many more times per hour or even minute do you touch your face to adjust, move or scratch an itch caused by the mask? Just opening my iPhone causes me to touch my face more than I otherwise would so it defeats hand washing and sanitizer use.

When was the last time you wore your mask like your underwear: frontwards, backwards, inside-front, backside out, before washing it and repeating? (I’d wager your undies are cleaner than the mask we put on and off our faces to appease the masses.

[Airbornelawyer]

"The impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on cancer deaths due to delays in diagnosis in England, UK: a national, population-based, modelling study"

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30388-0/fulltext

Excerpt from summary:

... compared with pre-pandemic figures, we estimate a 7·9–9·6% increase in the number of deaths due to breast cancer up to year 5 after diagnosis, corresponding to between 281 (95% CI 266–295) and 344 (329–358) additional deaths. For colorectal cancer, we estimate 1445 (1392–1591) to 1563 (1534–1592) additional deaths, a 15·3–16·6% increase; for lung cancer, 1235 (1220–1254) to 1372 (1343–1401) additional deaths, a 4·8–5·3% increase; and for oesophageal cancer, 330 (324–335) to 342 (336–348) additional deaths, 5·8–6·0% increase up to 5 years after diagnosis. For these four tumour types, these data correspond with 3291–3621 additional deaths across the scenarios within 5 years. The total additional YLLs [years of life lost] across these cancers is estimated to be 59 204–63 229 years.

The percentages might not be similar in the United States, since notwithstanding the Covid impact we generally have a better record of treatment for cancers than the NHS-dominated UK healthcare system. But it is more evidence of the human cost of the Covid response.

[Badger52]

The A or B vaccine for influenza is a constant guessing game and only a small percentage of the population even gets it yearly. BTW it only helps because you have antigens and antibodies to resist it, you may still get the flu and it could still kill.
Interesting snippet (https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/08/fun-facts-wednesday-looking-at-the-flu-2010-19/) from over at American Partisan:

As of today, the United States has experienced over 170,000 CCP Virus deaths. I was wondering how many of those 170,000 deaths were just plain influenza. The USA’s average influenza deaths over a nine-year period by year is 37,463. I wonder how many influenza deaths will be recorded by the CDC for 2019-20. I suspect none.

Year/Season Deaths*
2010-11 36,656
2011-12 12,447
2012-13 42,570
2013-14 37,930
2014-15 51,376
2015-16 22,705
2016-17 38,230
2017-18 61,099
2018-19 34,157
* = Stats from CDC – Past Seasons Estimated Influenza Disease Burden

Now let us speculate how many deaths this year are being attributed to the CCP Virus when in fact the individual’s death was caused by a car or motorcycle accident, massive heart attack, cancer, etc. I know for a fact that if a person dies for ‘X’ but shows Covid19 in their blood, the death certificate lists the death as CCP Virus.

So... no one's dying this year from influenza of any kind because that's so "last year" ?

[Box]

Dr. Fauchi will go down in the history books as the little boy who cried wolf! And will very likely be the scapegoat for when and if we ever resurrect our economy and country from the death spiral it’s in.

JMHO-YMMV

I would love to think that this turd will eventually be exposed for the backstage subversive prick that he really is.
but he wont

He was part of the giant effort to message that the origins of the AIDS epidemic had nothing to do with casual unprotected sex and IV drug abuse - it was because the POTUS hated poor people and minorities..
The left championed him for it - THAT is where he made is bones. The COVID/Fauci maneuver is just the left bringing in a specialty relief pitcher to throw against a guy that they cant strike out.
The cocksucker has been sitting in the bullpen for years - pretending to be an apolitical every-man.
but he isnt

Fauci is a combination megaphone-dog whistle for the treasonous left and he will never be held accountable for his shenanigans. The left will raise the Titanic, fix it, fill it with little children and cute puppies, and then scuttle that mother fucker over the Marianas Trench before they will ever admit to being wrong...
much let accept any responsibility for their treason and hypocrisy

Just my two cents.

[tom kelly]

He is a deep-state actor who has spent his entire career in the D C beltway working as a medical researcher and administrator at NIH. He has been at NIH longer than most of bureaucrats & professional politicians than make-up the swamp. He, DR FAUCI. will be 80 years old in Dec. 2020. THE TIME FOR HIM TO GO HAS PASSED.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Been a couple weeks since we all last evaluated the crisis.

As you can see from this article one thing remains very consistent with this virus.

https://apple.news/AhOYKs6mYQby447QyhywD-A

First, you can make any “metric” or data point you want that supports your thesis or opinion and write a “hit piece headline.” In this case South Dakota has had a 100% increase since the Sturgis Rally. Or in layman’s terms 2 of 1, 20 of 10 or 100 of 50 people have become infected or simply tested positive for the virus since before the rally of approximately 500,000 people came and left.

Second, from the map it continues to show how the virus spread from coastal states popular with incoming tourists from Europe and Asia (primarily Seattle, San Francisco and New York/New Jersey - anomaly to Colorado a ski destination) to the interior industrial states along the southern border from Mexico (Texas, Arizona and Southern California - anomaly Florida a Spring Break destination) and finally it is now affecting the Northern Plains states... All of this to me and my non-scientific analysis shows a very predictable movement from non-infected population through a month long process of increasing rates of infected/hospitalization/death and recovery to falling numbers of infection and death. As the virus moves through the entire population. This also seems consistent with the disease spread throughout the world and within every country the world over. Except those countries that have effectively closed their borders and had tight control of quarantine measures - they seem to remain low and without spread within their borders. Time will tell if they did more harm than say Sweden that did nothing at all except bury the dead old people most reliant on government services (what a utopian socialist liberal or “Cuomo” fantasy!)

It just seems to me that we are not in control of this virus at all, and while we have gotten better at treating it we have no idea how to keep it from infecting those susceptible and those who likely could walk through a gauntlet of infectious people and not get sick.

One day hopefully soon, the scientists realize their colossal mistakes and allow the economists to put the country back on a positive and productive way forward.

Does anyone here, anyone including those who think I’m FOS believe that if we say there is a vaccine that it truly will be a fool proof cure going forward? And to open everything and open schools that all you have to do is show your vaccination record? Or, if because President Trump says “we have a vaccine available for everyone who wants it, free of charge” that all the Democratic naysayers will condemn it before it even gets past the distribution phase? If Trump says it’s good it must be bad!

Let alone if it works or not...??? (How will we know?)

I think without anything being done, this virus will be much like SARS, MERS and perhaps even AIDS or Spanish Flu before it, it will pass into history as something that came into a susceptible human population ran its course and became a seasonal killer for those most likely to die from other health related complications. Everyone else will feel like crap for a week and go on with their lives as if they had the flu.

JMHO-YOMD

ETA: in the time it took me to write this the news is already a step ahead: White House faces skepticism over prospects for a vaccine

[Pete]

No argument from me.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Here is that AP article just so we can look back on it when the time comes to derail the ... (fill in blank with election or recovery)

Posted September 3, 2020 at 15:15:41 CDT

Could the U.S. really see a coronavirus vaccine before Election Day?
A letter from federal health officials instructing states to be ready to begin distributing a vaccine by Nov. 1 — two days before the election — has met, not with exhilaration, but with suspicion among public health experts, who wonder whether the Trump administration is hyping the possibility or intends to rush approval for political gain.
The skepticism comes amid growing questions about the scientific credibility of the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and their vulnerability to political pressure from President Donald Trump.
White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany gave assurances Thursday that Trump “will not in any way sacrifice safety" when it comes to a vaccine.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government's top infectious-disease expert and a member of Trump’s coronavirus task force, said on CNN that it is unlikely but “not impossible” that a vaccine could win approval in October, instead of November or December, as many experts believe.
“And I would assume, and I’m pretty sure, it’s going to be the case that a vaccine would not be approved for the American public unless it was indeed both safe and effective," he said.
Also, executives of five top pharmaceutical companies Thursday pledged that no COVID-19 vaccines or treatments will be approved, even for emergency use, without proof they are safe and effective.
The concerns were set off by a letter dated Aug. 27 in which CDC Director Robert Redfield asked the nation's governors to help government contractor McKesson Corp. set up vaccine distribution facilities so that they are up and running by Nov. 1. Redfield did not say a vaccine would be ready by then.
Still, to some public health experts, the timing smacked of a political stunt by a president facing a tough re-election.
“I think it’s almost a certainty,” said Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health. He said November "feels awfully early.”
Jha noted the FDA’s recent move to approve emergency use of convalescent plasma against COVID-19. Last week, FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn was forced to correct himself after overstating the lifesaving benefits of such treatment. The CDC also came under fire from scientists in recent days for quietly updating its guidelines to suggest fewer Americans need to get tested for the virus.
Jha said the stakes here are much higher.
“You want to have pretty good safety data on vaccines,” he said. “So I am deeply worried that that’s not what is going to happen.”
Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer questioned the Trump administration's motives.
“Too much of the evidence points to the Trump administration pressuring the FDA to approve a vaccine by Election Day to boost the president’s reelection campaign," he said in a statement. “This raises serious safety concerns about politics, not science and public health, driving the decision making process.”
However, some longtime scientific advisers to the FDA said that the government's preparations for the possible early availability of a vaccine do not necessarily mean that an answer will come sooner or that there will be a rush to judgment about whether one works.
“Being prepared for early success ... is actually prudent,” said Dr. Steven Nissen, a Cleveland Clinic cardiologist. If a vaccine is working, “you want to be prepared to act on the information.”
Three COVID-19 vaccines are undergoing final-stage, or Phase 3, clinical trials. The FDA will not be able to even consider a vaccine until several other key steps occur.
First, independent experts on what are known as data safety monitoring boards, or DSMBs, will have to rule that they have collected enough information to draw firm conclusions about a vaccine’s performance. Then the experts will make the data available to the manufacturer, which will decide whether to submit it for FDA approval.
Whether and when to stop a study early is up to a DSMB, whose scientists see a study’s results as they are accumulating. The company does not.
“We will not cut corners,” Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla vowed Thursday in a call with reporters, hosted by a pharmaceutical industry group. Chief executives from Merck, Roche, Eli Lilly and Gilead Sciences agreed, adding extra transparency on testing results and the approval process is needed.
Alex Azar, Trump’s secretary of Health and Human Services, likewise gave assurances that any decision to release a vaccine would be based on the data and the “FDA’s gold standards.”
And he accused those questioning the Nov. 1 date of partisanship.
“I think it’s very irresponsible how people are trying to politicize notions of delivering a vaccine to the American people,” he told CBS. “We already have a significant challenge in this country with vaccine hesitancy. And efforts to undermine confidence in a vaccine ... hurt in terms of people being willing to take a vaccine once it comes through.”
___
Johnson reported from Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania; Smith contributed from Providence, Rhode Island. Writers Marilynn Marchione, Zeke Miller, Matthew Perrone and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar also contributed.

[bblhead672]

Covid-19 vaccine...because all the previous coronavirus vaccines have been so successfull. :rolleyes:

[Ret10Echo]

Covid-19 vaccine...because all the previous coronavirus vaccines have been so successfull. :rolleyes:


Year Adjusted Overall VE (%)
2018-19 - 29%
2017-18 - 38%
2016-17 - 40%
2015-16 - 48%
2014-15 - 19%
2013-14 - 52%
2012-13 - 49%
2011-12 - 47%

[tom kelly]

Taking everything into consideration, well almost everything. First, This coronavirus class has been around since SARS 2002 & I think it has been genetically engineered by the Bio-Weapons lab in Wuhan China by Dr.Chen Wi, who is also a Maj.Gen. in the CCP Army. I think the lab was looking into developing a vaccine in conjunction with it's weapons program. Not much information coming out of China on the virus & the effect on the 1.5 billion people living there. What ever happened to The WHO & their reports on the pandemic ? Does anyone else here think that the MSM, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, & Disney's ABC along with the Wash.Post & The NY Times are driving the "virus" narrative. I'm waiting to hear some science from Joe Biden & his plan to fix the problem....Still Waiting.....

[Badger52]

I wonder if the CCP could've also factored in organic stupidity (https://www.wbir.com/article/news/investigations/shelby-county-woman-died-6-months-ago-letter-covid-19-positive/522-bcd8c6e1-5d75-4e07-af99-ed7babed909b) on the part of the target; that's like bonus points.

EXSUM:
Son receives letter from county health dep't. advising that (deceased) mother has tested positive for the virus. Son has the temerity to ask:

1. How did she take a test in June when she's been dead since February?
2. If her ghost took the test in June, why did it take over 2 months to get notified about needing to quarantine for 2 weeks?

:munchin

[GratefulCitizen]

This might be a game-changer.
Maybe keeping people locked up inside and out of the sun wasn't such a good idea.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194/

[Old Dog New Trick]

There are many “game changers” going on out there -

https://apple.news/AchTG8LRiTFmJ0g6ta5q6Qg

Wonder when human trials begin?

[GratefulCitizen]

Interesting if true.

https://
youtu.be/qFlqXPl_hZQ

Been hearing exactly this story from conspiracy theorists since late February.
Particularly, the chimeric nature.

Wonder how this will be spun by the chicomms and the lame stream media.

[Pete]

Growing research indicates many COVID-19 cases might not be infectious at all

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/growing-body-research-indicates-many-confirmed-covid-19-cases-might-not?utm_source=daily-newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter

" A growing body of research suggests that a significant number of confirmed COVID-19 infections in the U.S. — perhaps as many as 9 out of every 10 — may not be infectious at all, with much of the country's testing equipment possibly picking up mere fragments of the disease rather than full-blown infections.

Confirmed cases of the disease have been the focal point of public health authorities and governments worldwide for many months, with countries across the globe working frantically to shore up their testing infrastructure and ensure that most citizens who want a COVID-19 test can obtain one with relative ease......"

An interesting piece that touches on a couple of issues that swirl around each other. Basically why we have such high case numbers - but the virus is not spreading like wild fire.

[Badger52]

Growing research indicates many COVID-19 cases might not be infectious at all
That was an interesting article, thanks. I wonder if it's possible for someone to inquire, either through their county PH mechanism or directly to the lab, for information related to the threshold cycle of their test.

I bet the bar/restaurant owners & employees in Nashville (https://fox17.com/news/local/covid-19-emails-from-nashville-mayors-office-show-disturbing-revelation) and other places that still lock down that industry would find that data interesting...

[Paslode]

This might be a game-changer.
Maybe keeping people locked up inside and out of the sun wasn't such a good idea.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194/

Interestingly enough, I recently went in for my yearly physical and 6 month labs. To my surprise I found I was tested for 25-OH Vitamin D (D2+D3). Maybe it was done because of my age, but it also crossed my mind it may have something to do with WuHan Flu. They also did a HIV screening.

I had never been tested for either in the past.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Generalized question posted here. (I know we have had our own ‘family’ members get sick and recover and certainly some here have seen death from this disease.)

How many people do you personally know that:

1) Got sick and required hospitalization?
2) Tested positive without any real signs of sickness?
3) Died of COVID-19 disease without significant underlying conditions?

My own answers -

1 - 1 a friend in Amsterdam suffered hypoxia three times and was hospitalized three times before eventually going home and recovering. (Tx O2 therapy and anticoagulant/blood thinners I believe was all they did for him - it’s Europe and free)
2 - 10 coworkers have tested positive. Quarantined at home and returned to work after 14-days. No side effects have been reported one person retested positive but again fully recovered and continue to work.
3 - None


(My sincere apologies for anyone who has lost a loved one or suffered great pain. I do not deny that this virus isn’t deadly. Just that it’s being used as a political tool.)

[Paslode]

No one in my family has tested positive for WuHan Flu. We know of one girl in her early 20's who had it around February and there is a couple in their 30's that contracted WuHan after a Florida vacation. All were fully recovered within a matter days, no one was hospitalized, and no fatalities.

[Hand]

2) Tested positive without any real signs of sickness?

1 person. Grossly obese. Gets winded merely from sitting down. Needs 2 seats to fly on a plane. He didn't miss a day of work. Has mentioned that it has taken him a while (few weeks) to get his energy levels back to where they were. That is all.

[TJ11B]

My brother was very sick for about 10-14 days without being hospitalized (48 y/o). He was never tested but symptoms were persistent fever, weakness, body aches, and severe headaches. I'd say the latter was probably due to general dehydration. My nieces, aged 8 & 11 and his wife each got sick prior to that for only a few days w/ GI type symptoms w/ no fever.

Other than that I don't personally know of anyone else who has been sick w/ CV19.

[bblhead672]

How many people do you personally know that:

1) Got sick and required hospitalization?
2) Tested positive without any real signs of sickness?
3) Died of COVID-19 disease without significant underlying conditions?



1. None. Know one person who got sick but did not require hospitalization.
2. Two. Have talked to dozens who feel like they had minor symptoms in November/December 2019.
3. None. Know no one who died and tested positive

[PSM]

1) Me, none. Wife, none. Son (Ft. Sill and Loveland, CO), none.
2) Me, none. Wife, none. Son, heard of 2 at Ft. Sill.
3) Me, none. Wife, none. Son, none.

Cochise County, AZ, Confirmed cases (test results), 1873. Deaths, 69 as of today. That's about 10 a month in a county with a lot of retirees.

ETA: I just learned that Sierra Vista dropped it's mask mandate this morning. (I didn't realize that there was one, so . . . )

[Badger52]

To the question:
1. Zero
2. One
3. Zero

ETA: I just learned that Sierra Vista dropped it's mask mandate this morning. (I didn't realize that there was one, so . . . )Ok, that's funny as shit; I'm thinking back & just cannot see SV getting wrapped around the axles over a mask mandate. LMAO.

[sfshooter]

To the question:

1. Zero
2. Zero
3. Zero

I have only worn a mask once and that was because I had to get my DOT physical. Governor mandated it a few weeks ago. I'm not saying people don't get sick from this but it sure isn't anything worthy of causing all this panic. I don't know and none of my friends or family no of anyone "personally" who has had this period!
The stories I have heard usually sound like this: "so-and-so's brother has a friend who had the virus". That's about as close as I have heard of anyone having it here in my area, minus the local media.

[PSM]

To the question:
1. Zero
2. One
3. Zero

Ok, that's funny as shit; I'm thinking back & just cannot see SV getting wrapped around the axles over a mask mandate. LMAO.

They didn't. My wife said that she got some hard stares a few times but no one said anything. I just turned 70 and haven't worn one yet. I'm perfectly healthy, though. Well, I did wear one at the vet's when I had to put the dog down, but that was to hide the tears rolling down my face.

Bisbee is a different story, but they do have an older demo and it's more crowded and confined. I would wear one if I had to go there, which I never do. :D

[GratefulCitizen]

Back to baseline.
Might be about done in the US.

Scroll down to the US excess deaths graph.
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

[Intel NCO]

They didn't. My wife said that she got some hard stares a few times but no one said anything. I just turned 70 and haven't worn one yet. I'm perfectly healthy, though. Well, I did wear one at the vet's when I had to put the dog down, but that was to hide the tears rolling down my face.

Bisbee is a different story, but they do have an older demo and it's more crowded and confined. I would wear one if I had to go there, which I never do. :D

I usually wear a mask- along with sunglasses and a hat. I'm not a fan of security cameras in general.

When I'm out riding though and I don't wear a mask no one cares. SV isn't full of loonies. In terms of Bisbee, I wear it part of the time for similar reasons, but otherwise they haven't made comments to me when I don't wear one.

[tom kelly]

1: ZERO 2: ZERO 3: ZERO. My wife had a minor surgical procedure as an outpatient and was required to be tested for CoVid-19 so we drove up to the testing area, a parking lot in a large office park. we stayed in the car while the health care provider swabs my wife's nostrils. No line of cars, just a few interment drive-ups for testing. This was on a Sunday morning the outpatient procedure is scheduled for the coming Friday which my wife had. No problem, she asked the doctor who performed he procedure if he had the results of the test, he did not know what she was referring to so he inquired with the Hospital Administration & they did not know. It has been over 3 months and my wife has not got any result of the test. I am guessing it was Negative - She was never sick with any flu like symptoms to this day.

[Surf n Turf]

Think that the Covid19 reporting is a hoax…. Well maybe..no.. NO IT’S ABSOLUTELY FAKE.
.
Each state has identical numbers of NEW Covid19 cases. ALL ARE AT 33 CASES.

From Free Republic to Twitter

SnT

COMMENT #8
It’s a montage from quite a few states, all breathlessly announcing that their state now has 33 cases of COVID-19. Not 32 in some states. Not 34 in some states. Each state has precisely 33 cases. It’s a bit odd.


Holyyyy Cow!!!
This public service announcement montage will BLOW YOUR MIND.
WHAT is going on?????
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3886036/posts
https://twitter.com/Qclues_o7/status/1306036190718689281

[PSM]

Anyone heard from mugwump since mid May? :confused:

[Ret10Echo]

Anyone heard from mugwump since mid May? :confused:

He often goes deep into his work. Probably the case currently

[Ret10Echo]

Interesting take...from our "friends"(??) across the pond

1976 Swine Flu Affair (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200918-the-fiasco-of-the-us-swine-flu-affair-of-1976)

With a pandemic looming, the US president announced a warp-speed effort to vaccinate every man, woman and child in the country.


I enjoy the little historical tidbits that surface during any certain set of circumstances just to see if the reactions or processes change...


:munchin

[Old Dog New Trick]

Interesting take...from our "friends"(??) across the pond

1976 Swine Flu Affair (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200918-the-fiasco-of-the-us-swine-flu-affair-of-1976)




I enjoy the little historical tidbits that surface during any certain set of circumstances just to see if the reactions or processes change...


:munchin

In 40 years the look back in the wayback machine will mirror that article. Sadly!

Also, I believe Scientists have done a huge disservice to science. As I’ve said already Dr. Fauci will become synonymous with the medical equivalent of climate change!

[tom kelly]

Last year 2019 875K people died of heart disease, this year they are all dying from the China Virus ? Beside RBG how many people died from cancer ? The population of the U S A is probably in excess of 330 million people so 200K so that is a very small %. MSM announces CoVID-19 deaths as if it were 1 out of every 2 people are dying from it...

[Ret10Echo]

In 40 years the look back in the wayback machine will mirror that article. Sadly!

Also, I believe Scientists have done a huge disservice to science. As I’ve said already Dr. Fauci will become synonymous with the medical equivalent of climate change!

During a time in our history where the leftist/marxist/democratic-party wants to "burn it all down" we have the gray hairs and suits bumbling around like the Keystone Cops.

If you're an average, non-militant American whose does not hold their politics as their religion, the campaign to destroy trust in the government has become wildly successful.

The problem we have is that the virus has also caused people to believe that the politicians ARE the government. They are not.

According to Maoist Theory
Phase One, the guerrillas earn population's support by distributing propaganda and attacking the organs of government

[bblhead672]

As I’ve said already Dr. Fauci will become synonymous with the medical equivalent of climate change!

Fauxci pretty much sits beside Algore in the bullshit boat. Should Trump win I hope Fauxci is one of the first to be told "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."

[Old Dog New Trick]

Fauxci pretty much sits beside Algore in the bullshit boat. Should Trump win I hope Fauxci is one of the first to be told "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."

He should holding hands with Redfield.

But they will likely get jobs with WHO and live on on CNN/MSNBC.

[bblhead672]

Texas GOP Urges Abbott to ‘Open Texas Now’ (https://texasscorecard.com/state/texas-gop-urges-abbott-to-open-texas-now/?fbclid=IwAR1xVUplGqv842P0H8Fc1BA247cK5X1XPggfEBDp eiU1Ux3nBiaWy4Psyfc)

Rolando Garcia, the newly elected committeeman for Senate District 15 in Houston who authored the “Open Texas Now” resolution, says he was motivated by Abbott’s announcement last week, which allowed some businesses to open at 75 percent capacity while others were forced to remain closed.

“For a state party to publicly disagree with a sitting governor of the same party is not something any of us take lightly, and the instinct of loyalty to leadership is usually pretty strong among party activists. So for this to happen underscores the depth of the anger and frustration out there,” said Garcia.

Politicians everywhere need to hear: "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take this anymore!"

[JJ_BPK]

More Opinion,, but is it possibly true?


Chief Science Officer for Pfizer Says "Second Wave" Faked on False-Positive COVID Tests, "Pandemic is Over", September 27, 2020, Ralph Lopez

In a stunning development, a former Chief Science Officer for the pharmaceutical giant Pfizer says "there is no science to suggest a second wave should happen." The "Big Pharma" insider asserts that false-positive results from inherently unreliable COVID tests are being used to manufacture a "second wave" based on "new cases."

Dr. Mike Yeadon, a former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer for 16 years, says that half or even "almost all" of tests for COVID are false positives. Dr. Yeadon also argues that the threshold for herd immunity may be much lower than previously thought, and may have been reached in many countries already.

In an interview last week Dr. Yeadon was asked:

"We are basing a government policy, an economic policy, a civil liberties policy, in terms of limiting people to six people in a meeting...all based on, what may well be, completely fake data on this coronavirus?"

Dr. Yeadon answered with a simple "yes."



link: (https://hubpages.com/politics/Pfizer-Chief-Science-Officer-Second-Wave-Based-on-Fake-Data-of-False-Positives-for-New-Cases-Pandemic-is-Over)

[Badger52]

This is my shocked face: :-|

Doktor Fauci will be by to brand this person a heretic and a charlatan in 3... 2...
:munchin

[RCummings]

They are already ramping up here for the woohoo flu part deux. Thanks for the article.

V/R

Bob

[PSM]

Has anything that has been an attack on Trump's successes in the last 3+ years been true?

[bblhead672]

Has anything that has been an attack on Trump's successes in the last 3+ years been true?

^^^This!

[Badger52]

Has anything that has been an attack on Trump's successes in the last 3+ years been true?presented to the American people:

[glebo]

presented to the American people:

/\ /\ /\ /\ there needs to be a like button for posts like this...:lifter

[Old Dog New Trick]

presented to the American people:

She’s just a peach ain’t she?

Saw her younger sister (just as pretty) in Arlington VA about a month back. Told her to tell her sister to keep it up, she’s doing great!




As for Wuhan part II, if it was scary Cuomo and other Dims wouldn’t be bashing the vaccine before it’s even produced. They’d be how do I get my people vaccinated first!

[tom kelly]

The White House Press Sect. & he'd sister are good looking woman...The "woman" genetically speaking, that appear on the TV Show "The View" would crack the crystal on your watch....

[Badger52]

Morning local talk radio had a WI journalist who's been following this thing for awhile, which is how much time it takes because it's so confusing. One of the things he mentioned that is so different is that people expect near real-time info these days, whereas previously with other diseases (seasonal flu) TPTB might roll out consolidated stats monthly, MAYBE every couple of weeks.

That demand has caused a perception issue that goes deep enough to affect how politics "manages" the problem. A positive test is, boom, a positive test = active case, update the ticker, done. He mentioned, however, that with the archaic systems - largely human based - clearing NEGATIVE test results and reporting them as such lags way behind. Thus, if things stay the same, there will always be the appearance that the trend is more horrific than it really is because the negative test results aren't there on record to impact the positive ones. The positive ones get all the import & effort (rightly so) because they drive other actions downstream, e.g., contact tracing, quarantine monitoring, etc.

The other thing noticed is to take a look at the numerous counties now showing big spikes, the dreaded "hot spots." I'm sure it's just coincidence that they are areas surrounding UW campuses and that the most affected age group is now the 18-24 demographic, and not the FOGs.

:munchin

[Badger52]

She’s just a peach ain’t she?
Ok, for you and glebo, just one more, and you don't even have to go to the Gulag's video franchise that won't be named.

I'd say it's a "drop the mic" moment, but more like she steps away from the gore her broadsword hath wrought.

Here's the quick little press conf she b-slapped 'em with. (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4911437/user-clip-democrats-support-antifa-violence)


Ok, 'nuff on that. And with best wishes for a speedy recovery for the President and Mrs. Trump.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Just random data on the efficacy of masks. Interpret it how you want to.

https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/


My interpretation (even though I’m mandated by my employer and job locations to wear masks) is that you are more likely to infect yourself constantly interacting with your face and hands than if you didn’t wear a mask. Also that, I believe the virus has always been airborne and even an N95 mask only provides limited protection in a contaminated environment.

I think (JMO) that “mandatory orders” for people to wear masks have led to a disastrous consequences of people ignoring other more effective measures like hand washing, avoiding crowded areas and social gatherings. But maybe after all the Swedes got it right from the beginning and all the scientific masterminds at UW, NIH, CDC, and WHO got it wrong. Time and the number of deaths over the next few years will tell.

[PSM]

The Right (Center really, but no one understands that) ALWAYS falls for the Left's smoke screens. The mask mandate helps the leftist agitators and thugs to get away with violence, random or otherwise, because it limits facial recognition. Most (many, perhaps all) states had laws against masks at 'rallies' because of the KKK. Not now.

[Badger52]

The Right (Center really, but no one understands that) ALWAYS falls for the Left's smoke screens. The mask mandate helps the leftist agitators and thugs to get away with violence, random or otherwise, because it limits facial recognition. Most (many, perhaps all) states had laws against masks at 'rallies' because of the KKK. Not now.Also let's the Left gauge how pliable a given population is. Just one example, Frau Whitmer is really pissed right now.

But 2 grown men (with no one in the stands) can yell at each other at a range of 2 inches until the one in black throws out the one in the colored play clothes - but it's Ok, because 'masks'.
:rolleyes:

[frostfire]

Ok, for you and glebo, just one more, and you don't even have to go to the Gulag's video franchise that won't be named.

I'd say it's a "drop the mic" moment, but more like she steps away from the gore her broadsword hath wrought.

Here's the quick little press conf she b-slapped 'em with. (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4911437/user-clip-democrats-support-antifa-violence)


Ok, 'nuff on that. And with best wishes for a speedy recovery for the President and Mrs. Trump.

ok, that's a bit much :D but a dignified, lady-warrior she is...

...in the face of endless, horrendous, gaslighting press! :mad:
The way the press exploded with "but he didn't condemn white supremacy"
If I were her I would have replayed this fromYT
watch?v=ufflKZp18j8
or better yet, the same coverage clip by those reporters' very own activism media

[Badger52]

Well, perhaps that was the High Church of CDC's take on it.
You can be the judge. (https://gbdeclaration.org/)

The Great Barrington Declaration
As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.

The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.

Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.

Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.

On October 4, 2020, this declaration was authored and signed in Great Barrington, United States, by:

[Old Dog New Trick]

Well, DUH!:munchin

[Badger52]

Well, DUH!:munchinSince Fauci's Queen-Aspirant didn't get annointed in Jan 2017, I'll bet he probably doesn't care for these illiterate knuckleheads, thousands of them. And those 10's of thousands of vulgar, irredeemably deplorable peasants as well.

[cbtengr]

6293 health scientists signed it, the left says we need to listen to the science. I try to live my life in as normal a fashion as I possibly can. I have since this began taken two trips to TN, driving and flying and spent some time in WI. My wife and I dine out frequently and not once have I ever felt threatened by this virus. We need as a whole to get back to living. Individuals should have the right to decide what personally makes them feel safe.

[Badger52]

Just for the record, a link to the CDC guidance currently. This became an issue in a local article based on renewed emphasis of particles hanging in the air longer and at a distance > 6 feet. As an aside, it's not a long read and they seem to be doing better eat making such papers peasant-friendly.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/scientific-brief-sars-cov-2.html

The principal mode by which people are infected with SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) is through exposure to respiratory droplets carrying infectious virus.

Respiratory droplets are produced during exhalation (e.g., breathing, speaking, singing, coughing, sneezing) and span a wide spectrum of sizes that may be divided into two basic categories based on how long they can remain suspended in the air:

Larger droplets some of which are visible and that fall out of the air rapidly within seconds to minutes while close to the source.
Smaller droplets and particles (formed when small droplets dry very quickly in the airstream) that can remain suspended for many minutes to hours and travel far from the source on air currents.

Once respiratory droplets are exhaled and as they move outward from the source, their concentration decreases through fallout from the air (largest droplets first, smaller later) combined with dilution of the remaining smaller droplets and particles into the growing volume of air they encounter.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Thanks for posting that. It’s amazingly simple to explain this. This is a known concept for epidemiology and virology. The hard part is knowing just how contagious it might be, but we should be way beyond that by now.

I’ll tell you what we don’t know - we don’t actually know how many people are infected with influenza each year. We can test for it but only if you get sick enough to seek medical attention. Hundreds of millions more are hosts who go about their infectious spreading period with mild symptoms giving it away free to everyone behind them. Yes it kills between 250k-650k annually and we don’t close societies and school because of it. And we’ve had a vaccine that works fairly well and would work better if more people got it each year.

Coronaviruses have been around for as long as we can remember. Some more harmful than others. Your cat has coronavirus should it wear a mask?

[Badger52]

Hundreds of millions more are hosts who go about their infectious spreading period with mild symptoms giving it away free to everyone behind them.The Petri dish of the public school system perhaps as an example? (with the benefits given to grandma & grandpa when everyone comes to visit.)

[Penn]

There is a lot of info on the web about the experience of the virus/covid-19. There is little, to no reports of actual impact on to your physiology.
With that in mind, this post is one person’s experience over nine days. There are several online sources that outline symptoms that are patterned and documented, but do not offer an experience ground truth of impact or a method of nonpharmacy counterattack against this ass ripping intestinal assault. This post seeks to inform a nonmedical/scientific and psychological approach to the devastation that a minor symptom encounter with The Virus Covid-19 may present, should you be exposed.
John Hopkins site offers a concise info. But does not offer the experience of living through it.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/diagnosed-with-covid-19-what-to-expect
With that in mind, and to prepare your head, this experience is one person’s perspective and should be viewed accordingly.
Chills that hit and missed over a 5-day period, lasting no more than a few minutes, but being aware they were not ignored. The thought was local, the environment, time of day, my head was fighting the actuality of being infected, I’m GTG.
Around Day 5/6 the hammer came down.
Unable to walk across the living room without grabbing on to a supporting object, a chest, a chair, collapsing on the couch.
The exhausting effort to position yourself is futile.
Then the digestive system begins its purge, and it’s relentless.
For this one experience, It’s every twenty (20) minutes for the next 72-96 hours
You must stay hydrated, if not, you die.
Staying Hydrated requires you to consume more than the out flow, you’ll reach a point that you can’t drink any more water, but you must.
Your body is now racked by tremor, dehydration, fatigue, on a level only few have known.
Finding no relief with the approach of consuming more water than the out flow, I switched to fresh squeezed apple juiced from a local farm, within 3 hours, I was functional.
It did not alter the 20minutes or less pit stops, but it did psychologically and physically impact my system in a positive way.
That said, CDC posted effects would /could last be between 2/14 days.
Take away, its a bitch.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Thanks for sharing. Was that you? If so glad you are getting better or fully recovered.

I had something like that last year before COVID. After five days of everything you can drink goes in one hole and out the other you start to get past caring how many times you didn’t make it to the toilet. In my case I was downing pedialyte almost as fast as my wife could bring it home. On the seventh or eighth day I mustered the strength to go to the ER: I was completely wracked! Three liters of IV ringers and D5W later and lots of tests they sent me home. Nothing came back positive for any known bug or virus so I don’t know what nearly left me dead. On the twelfth day I think I returned to work but it took longer to fully recover from the dehydration of the event.

I don’t know what I had, but it came with high over 103* fever on and off for five days, night sweats, hallucinations, diarrhea big time, joint pain, massive headache and malaise. Bed ridden for a whole week. I want to say it was May or June last year but I’d have to look at the hospital bill to see when exactly. I wish now they had taken or kept a sample of something to test against this virus but who knows?

I travel a lot overseas. One thing they didn’t test was my stool. Kinda surprised by that but I was in no shape to challenge them. They did take three or four tubes of blood.

[Badger52]

Finding no relief with the approach of consuming more water than the out flow, I switched to fresh squeezed apple juiced from a local farm, within 3 hours, I was functional.
It did not alter the 20minutes or less pit stops, but it did psychologically and physically impact my system in a positive way.Hunh, that's something; thanks for sharing that.

[Penn]

ODNT don’t know what I had, but it came with high over 103* fever on and off for five days, night sweats, hallucinations, diarrhea big time, joint pain, massive headache and malaise. Bed ridden for a whole week. I want to say it was May or June last year but I’d have to look at the hospital bill to see when exactly. I wish now they had taken or kept a sample of something to test against this virus but who knows?

Your description mirrors my experience except for the fever, never got pass 101/2*.
Also, I made a misstatement, when I switched from water to apple juice it was 30+/=hours that I was functional, functional in the sense that I was alert and moved out of the bathroom and back to the couch.

[Badger52]

Also, I made a misstatement, when I switched from water to apple juice it was 30+/=hours that I was functional, functional in the sense that I was alert and moved out of the bathroom and back to the couch.Oh, snap! Here you almost found "the next big thing."

Q: When you had this was there ever a point at which you were able to take anything by mouth, in the way of food (even if it was destined to leave shortly)?

[Penn]

No, no appetite, I've lost 25/30 pounds. (needed)
Today, had Bacon and over easy eggs.
1. it stayed down
2. evaced the system 1 hr later.
My meds for HBP have not been affected.
Very Timid about what to eat.
Memory seems to be effected, temp/hope?

[Badger52]

Hang in there. Trying the breakfast is a good step (I prefer OM but scrambled w/cheese when sick). I wonder if perception of memory issue is an electrolyte loss thing. What's your doc say?

BREAK

I note in the Johns Hopkins link above they cite FDA revocation of authorization for HCQ, saying "no benefit" (not 'some' or 'occasional') to patients.

[miclo18d]

Very interesting. Have you been tested for Charlie Victor One Niner yet? If yes, what was the result? How do your symptoms and this chart compare (especially where highlighted)?

[sg1987]

Take away, its a bitch.



It was most definitely a bitch. I started experiencing symptoms on 6 July. The first few days were rather mild, then the bottom fell out. I experienced most of the same symptoms as Penn, except for the G.I. issues. I did have significant respiratory problems. I had to make three trips to the ER for difficulty breathing. My wife is an RN and had me using a nebulizer machine with albuterol, and some steroid I can't recall of the top of my head. I made three trips to the ER for difficulty breathing. I was given oxygen and IV Decadron which helped greatly. I also took Decadron tablets for ten days after my last ER visit. I did not test negative until 25 August . I continue to have a dry cough that I did not have prior .

Six of my immediate family members also contracted the virus at the same time. Our ages range from 55 (me) down to six months. My grandbaby had a fever, was irritable for two days, and then recovered. Four of my kids, each in their 20s, experienced fever, extreme fatigue, and G.I. issues; but no respiratory issues. All were symptom free within a week. My wife tested(nasal swabs) positive three times and never had the first symptom. We had another son, his girlfriend, and a boyfriend of one of our sick daughters, all in their 20's, help as care givers. None of them contracted the virus. Crazy illness.

[Gypsy]

Very Timid about what to eat.
Memory seems to be effected, temp/hope?

Maybe BRAT? Bananas, Rice, Applesauce, and Toast. No COVID or any flu here but in the past this has worked for me. I have the toast dry. For some reason baked potatoes work for me as well.


Hope everyone is feeling better soon.

[Badger52]

It was most definitely a bitch.Holy Shiites, what a roller coaster. Thanks for sharing.

Wife has pre-history respiratory problems and does a regular duo-neb (Albuterol nebulizer in the AM). Those typically take a bit for one to see the effect, often "kickstarted" by patient taking another Rx afterward, as you mentioned the steroidal. In her case, she does her neb, followed by a specific inhaler. Now it's Spiriva that follows the nebulizer. Not an unusual regimen with someone on a nebulizer it seems.

Thing is, as a caregiver I have to be just as careful and not bring something home. But bottom line is that we haven't really taken precautions we wouldn't take if there was a serious flu season going on, including times where the little 2-legged Petri dishes have just had to stay away. Everyone still should be doing their own risk-assessment.
Disclaimer: I not Bac-si and don't play one for Life magazine but I do manage emotional distress when grandma needs a "kid fix."
:rolleyes:

[EricV]

No, no appetite, I've lost 25/30 pounds. (needed)
Today, had Bacon and over easy eggs.
1. it stayed down
2. evaced the system 1 hr later.
My meds for HBP have not been affected.
Very Timid about what to eat.
Memory seems to be effected, temp/hope?


Say Penn,
Were you doing anything as a Prophylactic before infection by any chance?? Vitamin D, HCQ, zinc??

[Penn]

EricV
Were you doing anything as a Prophylactic before infection by any chance?? Vitamin D, HCQ, zinc??

No, but one thought on the breathing and respiratory system. I took a Clartin D allergy pill every day for months prior and during the event. My lungs never clogged and my breathing what not in anyway difficult. Certainly not a remedy, but was beneficial. imo

[Badger52]

EricV


No, but one thought on the breathing and respiratory system. I took a Clartin D allergy pill every day for months prior and during the event. My lungs never clogged and my breathing what not in anyway difficult. Certainly not a remedy, but was beneficial. imoThat's a very interesting data point. I've pondered (but no deep-diving) as to whether some folks, even those older with factors that are de facto thought of as putting them at higher risk, have dodged a bullet because of one or another seemingly routine things they do RE their personal health. Example: As in your case, certainly lack of respiratory drama (for whatever reason) has to be a good thing, especially when your just trying to keep down bacon & eggs. As well, does someone who simply eats right or takes a multivitamin daily put a tick mark in their favor because of higher than the average-Joe Zinc intake?

The high church of medicine & public health still wants to inundate with shock-numbers, yet the dearth of specifics as to what's been found is almost criminal. If Big Org.Gov in cahoots with Big Pharma.Com can run belated studies that state with certainty that HCQ is no-good (and Remdesivir® mmm mmm good), they have the time to do the other kind of research as well.

Pardon slipping into George Carlin mode there...
:rolleyes:

[Old Dog New Trick]

This is not “science” or a “scientific study” this is what you get when “scientists” are still clueless about the transmission and virility of this virus.

Why not just come out and say it. It only takes one brief contact with an infected person or object or exposure to contaminated air (with any mask less than an N95 or bio-hazmat positive air system hood) to contract the virus and become infected too.

Science my ass!

Copied from-
OAN Newsroom
UPDATED 7:06 AM PT – Thursday, October 22, 2020

The Center for Disease Control has redefined what counts as “close contact” with a COVID-19 patient. The CDC released the updated guidelines on Wednesday, noting people should quarantine if they have multiple close encounters with an infected person amounting to 15 minutes in one day.

The update came after a Vermont prison employee caught COVID-19 from inmates after having a number of brief encounters with them, which amounted to 17 minutes.

CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield said the change falls in line with new scientific data.

“There is some recent data that has been determined that individuals who had a series of shorter contacts, but over time added up to more than 15 minutes, became infected,” he explained. “And clarifying that new science, that new data into our contact recommendations, is what you’re alluding to.”

Officials went on to stress the importance of social distancing and wearing masks whenever possible

[bblhead672]

This is not “science” or a “scientific study” this is what you get when “scientists” are still clueless about the transmission and virility of this virus.

Why not just come out and say it. It only takes one brief contact with an infected person or object or exposure to contaminated air (with any mask less than an N95 or bio-hazmat positive air system hood) to contract the virus and become infected too.

Science my ass!

Copied from-
OAN Newsroom
UPDATED 7:06 AM PT – Thursday, October 22, 2020

The Center for Disease Control has redefined what counts as “close contact” with a COVID-19 patient. The CDC released the updated guidelines on Wednesday, noting people should quarantine if they have multiple close encounters with an infected person amounting to 15 minutes in one day.

The update came after a Vermont prison employee caught COVID-19 from inmates after having a number of brief encounters with them, which amounted to 17 minutes.

CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield said the change falls in line with new scientific data.

“There is some recent data that has been determined that individuals who had a series of shorter contacts, but over time added up to more than 15 minutes, became infected,” he explained. “And clarifying that new science, that new data into our contact recommendations, is what you’re alluding to.”

Officials went on to stress the importance of social distancing and wearing masks whenever possible

The CDC has changed their minds so many times I don't even believe what they say anymore. It's more of a political organization than anything to do with the health of American citizens.

[tonyz]

The CDC has changed their minds so many times I don't even believe what they say anymore. It's more of a political organization than anything to do with the health of American citizens.

And x1000 for the World Health Organization.

The political types have infected every nook and cranny of society.

Political Kommissars seem to be embedded everywhere today - the pollution is palpable.

[Fonzy]

Four Models of the Post Covid World:

https://madsciblog.tradoc.army.mil/278-four-models-of-the-post-covid-world

[Old Dog New Trick]

Four Models of the Post Covid World:

https://madsciblog.tradoc.army.mil/278-four-models-of-the-post-covid-world

It’s an interesting perspective. It would seem from their analysis that this election is paramount to the varying degrees of their success or failure models.

Of course we could just capitulate to China and give them control over our military and domestic security...like Canada seems to be doing.

[Badger52]

The CDC released the updated guidelines on Wednesday, noting people should quarantine if they have multiple close encounters with an infected person amounting to 15 minutes in one day.
Well, shiver me timbers! COOL! Did they say which particular minute that is? I mean, maybe I should be having people take numbers like in the old butcher shop days and then discriminate against non-good numbers. Or is it that these people have some secret mark on their forehead that says "I'm a carrier" ?

Hot diggity dog I just knew someone in Government would get the real dope on this stuff.

Top. Men.

[Old Dog New Trick]

This should tell you everything!

CDC says you can go vote in person at polling locations...even if you are sick or in quarantine.

https://apple.news/ANsEVC1_kTem-U0Iq9OyMHA

This scare techniques from the CDC is a complete farce.

[Razor]

CDC says you can go vote in person at polling locations...even if you are sick or in quarantine.

https://apple.news/ANsEVC1_kTem-U0Iq9OyMHA

This scare techniques from the CDC is a complete farce.

Juxtapose the above with the holiday gathering guidelines below, published by the SAME AGENCY:


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/holidays.html

Seems like the 'danger' lies in the purpose of the activity, not the characteristics of the activity or those attending.

[Florida Patriot]

Covid has been a great trial to see how much disruption people would tolerate of their social and societal norms.
As it turns out, quite a lot.
Banning of religious services, rationing of provisions, limits on travel, daily health screenings, banning of social gatherings, censorship
of alternative medical data, censorship of social communications, etc.
The pushback against any of this has been pretty minimal, both here and globally. I'd say it's been a massive success for the Globalist's actually.
Who benefits? The globalist neoliberal establishment. Everyone else gets scraps.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Covid has been a great trial to see how much disruption people would tolerate of their social and societal norms.
As it turns out, quite a lot.
Banning of religious services, rationing of provisions, limits on travel, daily health screenings, banning of social gatherings, censorship
of alternative medical data, censorship of social communications, etc.
The pushback against any of this has been pretty minimal, both here and globally. I'd say it's been a massive success for the Globalist's actually.
Who benefits? The globalist neoliberal establishment. Everyone else gets scraps.

If Bill Gates gets his way we will all be microchip’d with our vaccine shot. The explanation will be the return of those freedoms you mentioned above.

“With this microchip the doors that have been closed will open for you and others who are protected from the virus!” (Service is Citizenship)

[Paslode]

If Bill Gates gets his way we will all be microchip’d with our vaccine shot. The explanation will be the return of those freedoms you mentioned above.

“With this microchip the doors that have been closed will open for you and others who are protected from the virus!” (Service is Citizenship)

I wonder if they will reveal upfront the vaccine contains a microchip. or surprise us after the fact.

[Penn]

The number of cases increase because the testing is available everywhere, the question is how many of those new cases required hospitalization? That matriculates, determines social policy. In my limited view, that answer is one of the three rings a party must own to win this election.

[Badger52]

The number of cases increase because the testing is available everywhere, the question is how many of those new cases required hospitalization? That matriculates, determines social policy. In my limited view, that answer is one of the three rings a party must own to win this election.Anecdotal, something to chew on RE increased testing vs. increased positivity.

1. Elon Musk reporting 4 tests; 2 pos, 2 neg. Same time, same nurse, same type test.

2. A good & trusted friend reports 3 people who signed up in their county to get tested. Apparently, lunch hour/had to get back, for whatever reason, they left and DID NOT get tested. All 3 later got notified that they tested positive.

Who the hell's running the testing in these labs? Dominion software?

[Ret10Echo]

I'm trying to absorb this...


Masks now will be required indoors, even at home and even when social distance is maintained, as long as people outside one’s household are present, and outdoors when 6 feet of distance can’t be maintained, according to Levine and a Department of Health news release.

This will be enforced how???

[Box]

don't ask questions - just do as you are told

[Old Dog New Trick]

Eat your fu*king peas!!! :munchin








Hide :p

[Sohei]

It's Pink Floyd's "Wall" coming to fruition....

[Old Dog New Trick]

Did ya’ll hear that in the coming future you may be required to get a COVID test at the point of entry to fly on a commercial airline?

Who’s going to administer that? TSA, the airline or some third party for hire before you can pass through the screening checkpoint?

[Sohei]

Did ya’ll hear that in the coming future you may be required to get a COVID test at the point of entry to fly on a commercial airline?

Who’s going to administer that? TSA, the airline or some third party for hire before you can pass through the screening checkpoint?

You can bet it will be the best of the minimum wage workforce administering those most excellent tests.

[lindy]

Did ya’ll hear that in the coming future you may be required to get a COVID test at the point of entry to fly on a commercial airline?

Who’s going to administer that? TSA, the airline or some third party for hire before you can pass through the screening checkpoint?

Per my daughters, proof of neg COVID tests were required to fly between SEA-NYC per airline.

[TOMAHAWK9521]

Well, I was waiting to hear when China’s bioweapon would strike a member of my family. Last week, it did. Provided he survives till then, my dad will be 92 on Thanksgiving. He’s been deteriorating badly over the past several years with dementia and Alzheimer’s along with years of chassis damage and other health issues. It got so bad that he finally had to be admitted into a care facility back home in Ohio. He has gotten to the point that he didn’t even know who my mom was during her last visit before the place got locked down due to someone else testing positive a couple weeks prior. And even then, that was through a glass partition with my dad on the inside of the facility and mom sitting outside.

He’s another old paratrooper. He made the rank of Major and served with 187th, the 82nd, 2nd SFG(A) and, I believe, 11th SFG(A).

Mom called today to inform me that the facility called to say dad was having difficulty breathing and his oxygen was down around 64%, so they have him on O2 and steroids. He’s comfortable but his O2 level is still in the low 80’s.

It would seem that his ETS is nigh. Mom has stated that aside from his remaining brother, who is the only remaining family member from that generation and also not doing well, she has known dad longer than anyone else alive. For that reason, she will push to be with him when he passes.

Mom will be 90 the day after Thanksgiving and has her own health issues so I’m pretty sure she doesn’t give two flying fucks about risks. She was also an Army nurse and made the rank of 1st LT. They met at Ft. Benning and were stationed in Japan during the Korean War. The two of them cranked out an entire ODA of healthy kids who are all still living. I’m the 11th. I’m pretty sure she wants to make sure they get credited for completing their tour together. May God save whoever tries to deny her this request.

[Penn]

TOMAHAWK9215
What a fabulous story and family history; Prayers out, may God Bless and keep them in his embrace.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Well, I was waiting to hear when China’s bioweapon would strike a member of my family. Last week, it did. Provided he survives till then, my dad will be 92 on Thanksgiving. He’s been deteriorating badly over the past several years with dementia and Alzheimer’s along with years of chassis damage and other health issues. It got so bad that he finally had to be admitted into a care facility back home in Ohio. He has gotten to the point that he didn’t even know who my mom was during her last visit before the place got locked down due to someone else testing positive a couple weeks prior. And even then, that was through a glass partition with my dad on the inside of the facility and mom sitting outside.

He’s another old paratrooper. He made the rank of Major and served with 187th, the 82nd, 2nd SFG(A) and, I believe, 11th SFG(A).

Mom called today to inform me that the facility called to say dad was having difficulty breathing and his oxygen was down around 64%, so they have him on O2 and steroids. He’s comfortable but his O2 level is still in the low 80’s.

It would seem that his ETS is nigh. Mom has stated that aside from his remaining brother, who is the only remaining family member from that generation and also not doing well, she has known dad longer than anyone else alive. For that reason, she will push to be with him when he passes.

Mom will be 90 the day after Thanksgiving and has her own health issues so I’m pretty sure she doesn’t give two flying fucks about risks. She was also an Army nurse and made the rank of 1st LT. They met at Ft. Benning and were stationed in Japan during the Korean War. The two of them cranked out an entire ODA of healthy kids who are all still living. I’m the 11th. I’m pretty sure she wants to make sure they get credited for completing their tour together. May God save whoever tries to deny her this request.

There is no cry emoji on this board but if there were that’s how I feel right now. God bless your mom and Godspeed to your father. Take care Brother knowing that we are thinking of you through this process.

[cbtengr]

TOMAHAWK,

Sorry to hear about your father. Your family has quite a story behind them and lot's of fond memories. Godspeed to all.

[Gypsy]

Tomahawk9215 My prayers are with all of you and especially your Dad, I hope your Mom kicks some ass!

[The Reaper]

Prayers out, hermano.

TR

[RCummings]

God bless you and your family Tomahawk9215. No more could be said of your parents.

Respectfully,

Bob

[Badger52]

Tomahawk9215 you & yours are on my prayer list.

[Swoop]

TOMAHAWK, prayers for you and your family.

[rsdengler]

Prayers out to your wonderful dad and to your family. Stay strong and please take care.

[bblhead672]

Tomahawk - praying for your father and mother, as well as your family.

[sg1987]

Prayers out for you and your family.

[TOMAHAWK9521]

I want to thank everyone for their prayers. The last SITREP from yesterday said Dad’s O2 was back up to 90 but he still has no appetite, for solid food anyway. He doesn’t mind drinking Ensure, or the equivalent, so the staff are allowing him all the liquids he wants. They know that soft drinks really aren’t the best thing for him and the others to be consuming but, screw it. If they give him something to enjoy while washing down the bucket of foul tasting meds as well as putting some liquids in him, they aren’t going to deny them. Besides, at this point, it’s those little victories that continue to nourish the soul that matter. :lifter

[Gypsy]

Good news, continued prayers!

[tom kelly]

Prayers for your Dad & the entire family.

[SF_BHT]

Prayers out for you and your family. Glad to hear some good news.

[Golf1echo]

Prayers and empathy! Went through the dementia and memory care facility with my Mom not long ago, that’s a tough situation. Lost my Dad more recently. The best to your Dad!
The latter makes me a bit of a neighbor however the State is very long South to North as I’m sure you know...

[Requiem]

Prayers for your dad, Tomahawk. Glad to see his stats are improving. Your mom sounds like a real spitfire and God help those who get in her way. :lifter

S.

[grog18b]

Prayers out Brother. Keep the faith. If you need, we are here.

[Trapper John]

Tomahawk,

God be with you and your family! You all are in my prayers.

[TOMAHAWK9521]

Got a SITREP yesterday. Dad was transferred into hospice care as of yesterday. Mom called late last night to talk about it. My guess is that she had been talking to all my siblings throughout the day and I was probably the last, considering how worn out she sounded as well as how unusually late it was for her to call. His O2 is very low and he is no longer really hungry for anything. Due to WuFlu, they can’t move him to another facility so they just moved him to a different part of the current facility and the folks from hospice have taken over.

We thought this was happening last week when Mom got the call on Tuesday that Dad had declined. The nurse was very apologetic when mom and one of my sisters arrived on Wednesday morning, explaining that Dad had rallied and was practically doing PLFs from his bed. Mom and my sister had to go into MOPP-level 4 while they visited with him. He slept for most of the time they were there, which was less than an hour. When they were leaving, Dad said, “You seem like nice people. We should do this again.” He made it to his 92nd birthday with gas still in the tank, which was Thanksgiving.

Now, it is a waiting game and is in God’s hands. I have to agree with Mom that I pray he goes peacefully, painlessly and soon. My late wife was under hospice care for more than 3 weeks after our 4th anniversary but it was all gravy because despite the rage, anger and frustration unleashed upon me that came with her regaining her cognition, she had returned to me before she left, so I got to spend our last days together with my best friend and she didn’t die alone. She passed away in my arms.
My dad is alone and knows/remembers no one. It would be horrifying to pass in any kind of discomfort and not be able to call or reach out to a familiar face, or even the memory of someone, anyone, for comfort as you face your last moments.

May God move peacefully, swiftly, and quietly.

Amen.

[sg1987]

Prayers lifted up for you and your family Tomahawk.

[RCummings]

Tomahawk, God bless your parents and your family.

[Trapper John]

Brother, your Hospice story just hurts my heart! I pray that your Father passes gently with God's good grace.

[tom kelly]

Hoping & Praying for the BEST RESULTS:

[TOMAHAWK9521]

Mom just called. She got the call that Dad passed at approximate 1410 EST.

Fair winds, Dad. Godspeed, sir.

[1stindoor]

Mom just called. She got the call that Dad passed at approximate 1410 EST.

Fair winds, Dad. Godspeed, sir.

My deepest condolences.

[Old Dog New Trick]

My thoughts are with you and your family. God bless your mom and Godspeed to your father on his passage to peaceful rest.

[Badger52]

Prayers to you & your Family Tomahawk. I salute your even keel; know that someday you'll be able to show your Dad a proper PLF and have a good laugh about it.
Godspeed through your travails.

[Requiem]

Mom just called. She got the call that Dad passed at approximate 1410 EST.

Fair winds, Dad. Godspeed, sir.

My condolences.

Saying a prayer for you and your family, and especially your mom.

S.

[Badger52]

A worthwhile article (https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Imprimis_October_10-20_6pgNM.pdf) (imo) regarding how some of the "numbers games" are played (that shouldn't be) and a look at the effects of things like lockdowns. Article is in PDF, and downloadable. Also, Imprimis is available from Hillsdale simply for the signing up. A couple snippets:

Those who talk about the economic harms of the lockdowns are accused of heartlessness. Economic considerations are nothing compared to saving lives, they are told. So I’m not going to talk about economic effects—I’m going to talk about the effects on health, beginning with the U.N. estimate that 130 million additional people will starve this year as a result of the economic damage from the lockdowns.
First, herd immunity is not a strategy—it is a biological fact. Even when we have a vaccine, we will be relying on herd immunity as an end-point for this epidemic. Second, our strategy is not to let people die, but to protect the vulnerable. We know who is vulnerable, and we know who is not vulnerable. To continue to act as if we do not know these things makes no sense.

[cbtengr]

Mom just called. She got the call that Dad passed at approximate 1410 EST.

Fair winds, Dad. Godspeed, sir.

Yes Godspeed to your Dad my condolences to to you and your family.

[Gypsy]

Condolences and prayers out to you and your family Tomahawk9521

[tonyz]

No matter how old we get - it’s never easy to lose a parent.

My sincere condolences and prayers are with you TOMAHAWK9521 and family.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Well, hopefully this goes over well...









"When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car."







Tomahawk9521, they say we'll all meet up in Valhalla and live the eternal warrior life. I don't know if it's true or not but if it is your father will be waiting on you.

[SF_BHT]

My condolences to you and your family.

[Sohei]

My sincerest condolences and prayers for you and your family during this time of loss.

[PSM]

Mom just called. She got the call that Dad passed at approximate 1410 EST.

Fair winds, Dad. Godspeed, sir.

Geez, so sorry, TOMAHAWK. Prayers for you and the family. My mother is the same age.

[Flagg]

Sorry for your loss Tomahawk

[miclo18d]

Romans 6:4 Paul speaking to the Roman church explaining why we believe Christ is our savior and king about our eternal salvation.

We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

I’m sorry for your loss, but do not lose hope in the faith of our salvation, Yeshua Meshiak, Jesus Christ.

[1stindoor]

Well, hopefully this goes over well...

"When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car."

....

Actually, thank you for that. My dad (who I lost 18 years ago this month) told me that very joke when my Grandfather, his father, passed when I was a teen. Brought a smile to my face as this is always a difficult month for me.

[Swoop]

Tomahawk, prayers and condolences for you and your family.

DOL

[rsdengler]

My heartfelt condolences to you and your family, stay strong and keep your family close. Prayers....

[TOMAHAWK9521]

[QUOTE=Old Dog New Trick;664391]Well, hopefully this goes over well...









"When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car."



Tomahawk9521, they say we'll all meet up in Valhalla and live the eternal warrior life. I don't know if it's true or not but if it is your father will be waiting on you.[/QUOTE


Thank you, ODNT! I love that joke. Both dad and mom would have gotten a good chuckle out of it. And thank you all for your prayers and kind words.

Dad will be cremated but there is no idea as to when or where the family can hold a memorial. I had helped my brother, retired Navy CMDR and nurse, who has been taking care of the folks, get in touch with the nearest 2/19 unit for an SF detail but I’m sure if that will happen with all the nonsense going on.

[Box]

There are no suitable words of condolence that do justice - the best I can say is that you and you're family are in my thoughts and prayers during this difficult time.

[The Reaper]

I am sorry for your loss, hermano.

Prayers out.

TR

[bblhead672]

Mom just called. She got the call that Dad passed at approximate 1410 EST.

Fair winds, Dad. Godspeed, sir.

Condolences to you and your family.

[tom kelly]

Prayers Out for you & your family.

[milkman]

Lest we forget....

[cbtengr]

This Online Tool Shows When You'll Likely Get Your COVID-19 Vaccine

The New York Times simplified a vaccine tool created by the Surgo Foundation and Ariadne Labs to help Americans get an idea of where they stand when it comes to the vaccine. After entering in your age, the county you live in, your profession, and if you have any COVID-related health risks, you can find out how many people will likely get vaccinated ahead of you. They show this by representing your state as a line of 100 people waiting for the vaccine and tell you where in that line you would stand, but they also give hard numbers, showing how many people in your county, your state and the country will be vaccinated before you.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html

I have 23,000,000 folks ahead of me.

[EricV]

Mmm... I'm at 118,500,000 I'm happy with that; don't want to be the guinea pig.

Say, that'd make a great zombie flick!! World wide pandemic, rush job vaccines, sooners go bonkers, the unvac'd have to shot friends, family and neighbors, civilizations collapses. Hollywood could release it just before the vacs come on line!!

[Ret10Echo]

Behind 268,700,000 people across the United States.

Behind 10,600,000 million others who are at higher risk in your state.

[Ret10Echo]

Say, that'd make a great zombie flick!! World wide pandemic, rush job vaccines, sooners go bonkers, the unvac'd have to shot friends, family and neighbors, civilizations collapses. Hollywood could release it just before the vacs come on line!!

"The Stand" I think it's called :D

[EricV]

Figures I'm late with the idea. Follywood probably thought it as soon as Covid was announced. :(

[Badger52]

Say, that'd make a great zombie flick!! World wide pandemic, rush job vaccines, sooners go bonkers, the unvac'd have to shot friends, family and neighbors, civilizations collapses. Hollywood could release it just before the vacs come on line!!They're probably shooting that film right now. Newsom gave a pass to Hollywood as being an "essential" service (yes, really). So they get to do location shoots with outside dining for the crews while the small biz owners 50 yards away go under.

[West Texas accent] "Some people just need killin'"

I wonder if Bill Gates or President Harris will recommend leaving it to their favorite blue-state governors. I can see it now...

"Ok, Dane & Milwaukee counties, you get it and priority goes to the very expensive tenured foreign professors that don't really teach any classes in the UW system. All you unenlightened 'red' counties, you can just wither EXCEPT for the teachers in the PUBLIC schools who we know voted for President Harris, er, uh, I mean Biden. Maybe we'll get to the rest of you, as resources permit."

[Ret10Echo]

Figures I'm late with the idea. Follywood probably thought it as soon as Covid was announced. :(

Stephen King's book was published in 1978

TV mini series in 1994

New series 2020

[Gypsy]

My number wouldn't matter since I will not get the vaccine.

Come and get me.

[cbtengr]

My number wouldn't matter since I will not get the vaccine.

Come and get me.

Your papers vill give you avay, Herr Komrade knows who you are he is vatching this site closely. ;)

[glebo]

Mmm... I'm at 118,500,000 I'm happy with that; don't want to be the guinea pig.

Say, that'd make a great zombie flick!! World wide pandemic, rush job vaccines, sooners go bonkers, the unvac'd have to shot friends, family and neighbors, civilizations collapses. Hollywood could release it just before the vacs come on line!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Legend_(film)

Sorry, Follywood has beat ya to it. I am Legend with Will Smith, the cancer cure turns everyone into zombies.

I wonder if that's why we haven't found a cure for cancer yet???

Also for the more seasoned crowd, Omega Man with Charlton Heston...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Omega_Man

Both good flicks...

[PSM]

Your papers vill give you avay, Herr Komrade knows who you are he is vatching this site closely. ;)

If illegals can get fake IDs you can bet that there will be black-market "papers".

[Gypsy]

Your papers vill give you avay, Herr Komrade knows who you are he is vatching this site closely. ;)

:p:cool:

[Ret10Echo]

Bi-Dense nominates the Kalifate Attorney General for HHS. I believ that this provides significant insight into how the new regime plans to violate the liberty of the cognizant American people.

[Razor]

Also for the more seasoned crowd, Omega Man with Charlton Heston...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Omega_Man

Both good flicks...

Don't stop there--check out "The Last Man on Earth" with Vincent Price.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I just can’t wait for the real “Escape from New York” the one without Kurt Russell staring as Snake Pilskin, and it’s likely to happen real soon when there’s no place left to eat.

As for the China Virus the real numbers aren’t looking too good. Before long now more people will have tested positive (if that’s even valid) and recovered without a vaccine than the number of people who died of Covid-19 without any underlying or previously unknown co-morbidity. My heart goes out to everyone who’s died or suffering from this (and their families) but it’s looking like less than <0.6% mortality rate and even lower for those under 60 possibly <0.2%.

Redfield (CDC) says the positivity rate per day is seven to ten times greater than the current testing rate so nearly 1,000,000 per day have been infected with Covid per day and increasing.

We are either going to see the end of times now to Inauguration Day or we’ll, see nothing overwhelming will happen and after January 20, we can reopen America and get on with it.

Guess all those riots and marches weren’t such a good idea after all.

[frostfire]

This Online Tool Shows When You'll Likely Get Your COVID-19 Vaccine

The New York Times simplified a vaccine tool created by the Surgo Foundation and Ariadne Labs to help Americans get an idea of where they stand when it comes to the vaccine. After entering in your age, the county you live in, your profession, and if you have any COVID-related health risks, you can find out how many people will likely get vaccinated ahead of you. They show this by representing your state as a line of 100 people waiting for the vaccine and tell you where in that line you would stand, but they also give hard numbers, showing how many people in your county, your state and the country will be vaccinated before you.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html

I have 23,000,000 folks ahead of me.


I'm at the front of the line :eek:
When I'm a raving zombie, please be kind and deliver straight through the medulla oblongata. I'll make sure I wear an easily identifiable, impossible to remove, collar.


I thought Bragg/DOD is getting inoculated starting this week :confused:

[rsdengler]

Ahhhhh well I'm way down on that list, I just want to be able to see who's going to resemble the Elephant Man after they get the vaccine......:munchin

[tom kelly]

I have an appointment at the VA Medical Center Injection Clinic on 12/10/2020 @10:00 AM. Had a cat-scan on 11/19/2020, This injection clinic appointment is for a Shingles Vaccine. I will ask some questions about the Chinese Wuhan Virus Vaccine & the distribution schedule in the VA system.

[Sohei]

I have an appointment at the VA Medical Center Injection Clinic on 12/10/2020 @10:00 AM. Had a cat-scan on 11/19/2020, This injection clinic appointment is for a Shingles Vaccine. I will ask some questions about the Chinese Wuhan Virus Vaccine & the distribution schedule in the VA system.

I just got my first of two series Shingles shots last week. It sucked more than any other one that I have received previously. I knew it would be interesting when the nurse and doctor both told me it would hurt for a good while to which it did. Most people I have talked with personally suffered the same symptoms I did. I only know of one that didn't and hopefully you will fall within that category. I do wish you the best with it. I liked the old Shingles vaccine better....;)

[cbtengr]

I just got my first of two series Shingles shots last week. It sucked more than any other one that I have received previously. I knew it would be interesting when the nurse and doctor both told me it would hurt for a good while to which it did. Most people I have talked with personally suffered the same symptoms I did. I only know of one that didn't and hopefully you will fall within that category. I do wish you the best with it. I liked the old Shingles vaccine better....;)

Got my Shingles shots about a year ago, had no issues with either of them. I was on a list for over two years before I got them though. The vaccine was very short at the time and I had to meet a certain criteria before getting them. There is some dissention as to whether or not to get the Covid shot. By the time I am able get mine there should be a pretty good grasp on what the side effects are, time will tell. As things are now no one has a firm grasp on how to control it. I do not believe that lockdowns are the answer.

[Badger52]

Got the name of the lab that does the PCR testing for specimens collected locally at various events. Will be giving them a call to inquire as to their cycle threshold, if they'll even give that information to a non-annointed one. In describing the test and some really too-deep-for-me parameters they did have one sentence in real English that caught my eye when discussing conditions ripe for false-negatives or false-positives:
False negative test results are more likely during peak activity when prevalence of disease is high. False positive test results are more likely during periods of low influenza or SARS-CoV-2 activity when prevalence is moderate to low.

A 90-yr old British Guinea Pig #1 has been established (https://www.foxnews.com/health/90-year-old-woman-in-uk-first-to-receive-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-in-uk) in the UK.

[TOMAHAWK9521]

And the hits just keep on coming.

Well, my father's family generation ended today. My Uncle Richard, the Colonel, a career cavalryman, and the youngest member of my father's family passed away this afternoon. Luckily, my uncle had his mental faculties to the end and was able to recognize and acknowledge all his children and grandchildren when they came to say goodbye. My aunt, his wife, also got the KungFlu so they were able to share the same room and she held his hand when he passed.

Godspeed, Colonel. May the Lord keep you. Your family welcomes you home with open arms.

Blue skies and fair winds, sir.

Amen.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Sorry for your family losses Brother, maybe they are the lucky ones. Don’t have to see what’s to come.

RIP Colonel (Richard)

[SF_BHT]

Sorry to hear it. Rest In Peace Col.....

[Badger52]

Tough times indeed, jeebers. Sorry for your losses.
RIP Colonel

[Badger52]

Got the name of the lab that does the PCR testing for specimens collected locally at various events. Will be giving them a call to inquire as to their cycle threshold, if they'll even give that information to a non-annointed one.Tough to hear of another of Tomahawk's family but wanted to follow up on this.

I called the lab (down in Madison) after also reading that a "state lab" in MN follows "Federal guidelines" (CDC?) and has a CT of 38 for their tests. The same test over at Mayo in Rochester is done at 35. I finally got through to the lab that runs the specimens collected in this area for several counties, as well some that are collected by the NG-supported roving test sites.

After being on the phone for 45 minutes with a reception gal that kept trying to not tell me anything, and kept trying to get me to go to their website and read their FAQ ("BTDT dear, please connect me to someone who can answer a technical question"), I was finally put on hold to be connected with a "white coat" but that never happened. Bounced back to the same front-end gal who took my number. All hail the new boss.

Finally, at around 1645, a nice gent called me on his way home and said he was with their community affairs (wtf?) and could he help me? After 3 times of him asking me why I wanted to know ("curious citizen, read stuff in the paper, blah, me tell you same story long time") he confided that their PCR tests are run with a Cycle Threshold of 40.

Shit, no wonder the case load is spiking. All these numbers are way higher than Fauci confided (to colleagues, NOT the public) would be appropriate to prevent false positives and inconsequential appearances of infection rates.

My tinfoil hat still says that Biden will be the hero. He will diirect some action by all the peasants, by big ceremonial & signature event. Doesn't matter if people do it; important thing is to put something he did on record. Then TPTB will direct the Cycle Thresholds be toned down. Et Voila! Positivity rate now descending on track, on glideslope. The media will, per SOP, be all over this correlation=causation.

[Swoop]

Sorry to hear that Tomahawk, prayers and condolences for you and your family. I lost my mother on Wednesday from natural causes (Covid-19 test was negative), and we will bury her tomorrow. Sad times indeed.

Rest In Peace COL.

DOL

[RCummings]

Sorry for your losses Tomahawk and Swoop. I believe they are in a better place.

Respectfully,

Bob

[1stindoor]

Condolences to both of you on your loss.

[Razor]

Tomahawk and Swoop, my sincere condolences--may your happy memories help in easing the pain of your losses.

[Pete]

The News last night was full of smiling people getting shots.

[TOMAHAWK9521]

Prayers out to you, as well, Swoop. Thank you.

[Trapper John]

Tomahawk and Swoop,

My sincerest condolences to you both.

[rsdengler]

My thoughts and prayers to Swoop and Tomahawk and to your family. Stay strong and keep your loved ones close during this time. Much respect...

[sg1987]

My condolences to you both for your loss. May God comfort your families during this time.

[Golf1echo]

My condolences men... Swoop especially hard to loose a Mother, I hope she didn’t suffer.

When my Dad passed this Summer he was alone at the house, the Coroner put heart attack as he had a pace maker. I mention that because should he have been in a medical facility there would have been a good chance his passing would have been CV19... I know many of us have heard that, we all have been hearing a lot of things. Most here have the wear withal to look at different sources evaluate and get a better sense of what has really gone on. Our gut instinct is a very good tool. The following is something I think one should take a look at, it confirms my gut instinct...

https://rumble.com/vbq6jx-dr.-anthony-faucis-ex-employee-was-jailed-finally-tells-all.-censored-by-yo.html

[The Reaper]

Tomahawk and Swoop, sorry for your loss. May your loved ones rest in peace.

Prayers out.

TR

[tonyz]

Swoop and Tomahawk, mere words, no matter how kind can’t mend the pain that you feel right now.

However, know that I wish you both comfort and peace of mind during this difficult time.

[Requiem]

Tomahawk, Swoop, prayers for you and your loved ones during this difficult time.

S.

[bblhead672]

Condolences Tomahawk and Swoop.

Lost a member of my church last week, died of blood clot that formed in lungs due to Covid.

[Gypsy]

My sincere condolences to both of you, Swoop and Tomahawk.

[tom kelly]

Condolences to you who have lost loved ones, Prayers Out & may they Rest In Peace.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I know many of us have heard that, we all have been hearing a lot of things. Most here have the wear withal to look at different sources evaluate and get a better sense of what has really gone on. Our gut instinct is a very good tool. The following is something I think one should take a look at, it confirms my gut instinct...

https://rumble.com/vbq6jx-dr.-anthony-faucis-ex-employee-was-jailed-finally-tells-all.-censored-by-yo.html

Today I received through work (in a round-a-bout-way) an email from an independent intel site titled [Roots of the COVID-19 Pandemic] that posted an updated version of a white paper analysis from Dr. Dany Shoham (former Israeli spy) who was completely discredited (by the media WHO, NIH and others) in January 2020, for saying upfront the Wuhan Virus was created in a lab and very unlikely to have jumped from bat host to humans without genetic mutations produced in a lab. So this new paper which is six pages long but I’m having trouble reading it on my phone because this program always locks up, stated in the BLUF that more and more people are beginning to believe through the investigations taking place and more scrutiny is being applied that his initial assessment is correct. If you search for this you will not find it but you can find his older links searching his name.

I think and as many of us have suspected from the beginning this was a bio-weapon. Now, whether it was or was not used to change the world it’s a poor weapon unless your only real goal is hysteria and to weed out the elderly and sick populations of the world. Or, to achieve a political coup!

[tom kelly]

Of course this was a genetically engineered Bioweapon virus, A new means for the Chinese to control the populations of countries, and I think the World Globalist, the DNC, former BHO luminary's like John Kerry assisted the workers in the lab of Dr. Chen Wi a Major General in the CCP Army & Top Bio Warfare expert in the Naval University of Engineering in Wuhan China. The WHO, a subsidiary on the CCP and that idiot "Doctor" a spokesperson for the Chinese Communist Party all are covering up on the origin, manufacturer and the release of this virus.

[1stindoor]

....Or, to achieve a political coup!

No more callers please, we have a winner.

It was designed to crush the economy of the leader of the country that refused to get with the program.

[Badger52]

No more callers please, we have a winner.

It was designed to crush the economy of the leader of the country that refused to get with the program.+1 . All infringements are exercises in control tolerance, and destruction of the kulak class. It's not get on board or leave. It's get on board or get crushed into bio-fuel. When things magically return to the new normal, all you air-travellers had better have the modern equivalent of your yellow shot record* in hand, otherwise your social credit score gets decremented.


* I wonder how many remember having that being nearly as important as an ID card... do they still do that?

[TOMAHAWK9521]

I’ve about had it with this little bull frog troll, Fauci.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/17/dr-anthony-fauci-independent-spirit-us-hurt-pandemic/

[Golf1echo]

I’ve about had it with this little bull frog troll, Fauci.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/17/dr-anthony-fauci-independent-spirit-us-hurt-pandemic/

The guy and that ilk are pure evil! Before this catastrophe I saw a video clip of him fist bumping Debbie Wasserman which I thought was revealing.

The attached image was reportedly taken in 2015 at the Wuhan bio warfare lab...

[doctom54]

The guy and that ilk are pure evil! Before this catastrophe I saw a video clip of him fist bumping Debbie Wasserman which I thought was revealing.

The attached image was reportedly taken in 2015 at the Wuhan bio warfare lab...

The original image pops up in a 2014 blog post made by Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health. The photo was taken when then-President Obama visited NIH – in Maryland, not Wuhan – to learn about its progress with Ebola research.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I pray every day this gets exposed and every small business owner and private person damaged by this gets to personally sue the shit out of him, China anyone else up to and including the UN/WHO and everything they’ve ever touched. Including damages for those who died of “COVID” death.

[Golf1echo]

The original image pops up in a 2014 blog post made by Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health. The photo was taken when then-President Obama visited NIH – in Maryland, not Wuhan – to learn about its progress with Ebola research.

Important to know the truth, thank you Doc.

I’d be interested on your take about this link, I posted it earlier, scary stuff but it would explain a lot of what’s going on and the players.
https://rumble.com/vbq6jx-dr.-anthony-faucis-ex-employee-was-jailed-finally-tells-all.-censored-by-yo.html

There is this link as well https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZUZ1zkxC4GP1/

[Swoop]

Thanks to everyone for your kind words and prayers. It was a rough week but we were able to get through it with strength from family and friends and we had Mom’s funeral on Wednesday. Now the healing begins as we are left with the good memories. Thank and God Bless all of you.

DOL

[Box]

Thanks to everyone for your kind words and prayers. It was a rough week but we were able to get through it with strength from family and friends and we had Mom’s funeral on Wednesday. Now the healing begins as we are left with the good memories. Thank and God Bless all of you.

DOL


Glad to hear that things are starting to progress. I offer the best of wishes for you and your family.

[Trapper John]

https://www.*******.com/watch?v=YgOAaLmoa68&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3JbSy-XHoOzFNMUTGjJju36j6GV9OVu1C04oUjD3hkSHE6rco3u7hUlj Y

I did some of the early ADME (Absorption, Distribution, Metabolism, Excretion) studies for Ivermectin. I had not thought of Ivermectin as a prophylactic for COVID-19. After listening to Dr. Kory, I think it should be formally evaluated. Unfortunately, this will get no traction just like Hydroxychloroquine. Why??? We can’t have low-cost repurposed drugs undermine the invested capital in big PhRMA now can we?

Note that Dr. Kory took great offense at Sen Gary Peter’s (D-MI) characterization of him as a politician. Typical liberal attempt to discredit a witness. I am surprised Sen Peters didn’t call him a racist too.

The Left is going out of its way to destroy small businesses and the middle class through this pandemic. Can't let a good crisis go to waste can we? Just further evidence of the destruction of our society from within! All cross-thread points greatly appreciated. :p

Thanks to Brother Old Dog New Trick for bringing this to my attention.:lifter

[Badger52]

Swoop, continued prayers for you & your Family. They don't stop because some measure of progress appears. In out thoughts.

Brazilians are making Kim Jong-Un jealous... (https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/12/18/brazil-supreme-court-approves-limited-rights-for-people-not-taking-coronavirus-vaccine/)

The Brazilian newspaper O Globo explained that the STF declared only “indirect” attempts to force individuals to take a vaccine against their will are legal, such as fines or banning individuals from certain social services. The federal government, state governments, and municipalities, the ruling elaborated, are the bodies with the power to impose these restrictions and said restrictions must abide by scientific rationales.

“Selfishness is not compatible with democracy,” Justice Cármen Lúcia asserted in the ruling. “The Constitution does not guarantee a person the freedom to be sovereignly selfish. It is the duty of the State, through public policies, to reduce risks of diseases and other ailments, adopting the necessary measures to protect everyone from the contamination of a dangerous virus.”

[Hand]

December 18, 2020
AMA Lied – How Many Died?
By Brian C. Joondeph, M.D.

The American Medical Association has been adamantly against hydroxychloroquine as a therapeutic for COVID for the past year. Just a few days before the presidential election they reversed course, reversing their opposition. Did they suddenly realize HCQ might have benefit in certain patient groups or were they lying for the past year? How many individuals died as a result of being denied potential lifesaving treatment?

The AMA is synonymous with organized medicine, despite myriad specialty societies that may better represent the needs of its member physicians. In fact, only 12 percent of practicing physicians belong to the AMA due to concerns that the AMA is more interested in its own finances and politics than the concerns of doctors.

When the AMA talks, media and the public listen, due to their perceived clout. Last spring, the AMA issued a statement critical of hydroxychloroquine as it was being used off-label in the treatment of COVID, not FDA-approved for this purpose with supposed “dangerous side effects.”

Quietly at the end of October, the AMA issued a new statement, conveniently overlooked by the media, giving the green light to doctors prescribing HCQ to their COVID patients.

RESOLVED, that our American Medical Association rescind its statement calling for physicians to stop prescribing hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine until sufficient evidence becomes available to conclusively illustrate that the harm associated with use outweighs benefit early in the disease course.

An updated statement clarifying our support for a physician’s ability to prescribe an FDA-approved medication for off label use, if it is in her/his best clinical judgement, with specific reference to the use of hydroxychloroquine and combination therapies for the treatment of the earliest stage of COVID-19.

What changed since last spring? How many COVID deaths could have been prevented if doctors, using their professional and clinical judgement, could have prescribed HCQ without fear of ostracization or loss of their jobs?

HCQ has been around since the 1950s, approved as a malarial preventative and for treatment of lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. It is relatively safe, except for the one in a thousand with a rare cardiac arrhythmia, easily identified by a pretreatment EKG. In many African countries, HCQ is available without a prescription for malaria prevention.

The problem arose when President Trump touted HCQ as a “potential therapeutic,” based on early reports of doctors prescribing it with good results. He did not tell anyone to take it but held it out as hope to a country suffering under a pandemic with lockdowns, quarantines, hospitalizations, and deaths.

Trump also took HCQ himself, prescribed by the White House medical team. If Trump claimed drinking water was healthy, the media and medical establishment would have denounced it, citing cases of people dying from drinking too much water.

A perfect example was Fox News crank Neil Cavuto screaming how hydroxy “will kill you.” This was based on a flawed VA study finding no benefit for HCQ in a severely ill cohort of patients, and a higher death rate among those receiving HCQ. This was a retrospective study which did not address the possibility that HCQ was given to sicker patients, who were more likely to die anyway.


Prestigious medical journals, Lancet and New England Journal, retracted published studies raising alarms about HCQ due to bogus study data. It seemed there was a jihad against HCQ from the medical establishment, supported by the media, simply because the Orange Man suggested it.

Was the concern solely over off-label use of drugs? In my world, Avastin has been successfully used off-label for 15 years for the treatment of macular degeneration and diabetic retinopathy, despite FDA approval only for cancer and a black box warning about gastrointestinal perforation, wound healing, and hemorrhage.

In relative terms, HCQ is a far safer drug compared to Avastin. Ketamine is another old drug similar to HCQ, FDA-approved in 1970 as a general anesthetic. Yet it is increasingly being used off-label to treat severe depression, anxiety, and PTSD. As a general anesthetic, it certainly can kill you if used improperly, but used under the considered judgment of a physician, it can literally save lives. Neil Cavuto hasn’t yet offered his expert medical opinion on ketamine.

There have been 187 hydroxy studies, 122 of which were peer-reviewed. 100 percent of these studies reported positive effects for early treatment of COVID, meaning, for those not yet in the hospital, and certainly not on a ventilator. These studies were performed and reported this year, while the AMA stayed mum, standing by their admonition against HCQ, until their “oh by the way” report at the end of October.

The AMA’s about-face is curious in terms of timing. They could have tempered their initial remarks last summer, when the “America’s Frontline Doctors” group was promoting HCQ, azithromycin, and zinc as an effective early treatment for COVID. All three components of their cocktail were off label. In fact, at the time there was no approved therapeutic for COVID and many people could have been treated earlier, potentially keeping them out of the hospital or worse.

Perfect is the enemy of good. Prospective randomized clinical trials would have been great, but they take time. Why not let physicians use their “best clinical judgment” as the recent AMA statement recommends?

Instead, the AMA waited until Oct. 30 to announce a more reasoned position, not coincidently just a few days before the presidential election. Democrats and the media blamed Trump for every COVID illness and death, accusing Trump of “misleading” on HCQ, as a prominent campaign issue.

The timing suggests political scheming by the AMA, withholding important information or opinions in an attempt to influence an election. Will the AMA explain this curious timing? Social and corporate media did something similar with Hunter Biden’s laptop, knowingly suppressing information before the election, which may have swayed voters, glibly reporting on it after the election.

We will never know how many individuals could have been kept out of the hospital, ICU, or morgue if HCQ was used early in the disease course. Most medical miracles are due to outside the box thinking, using an approved drug in a new way. That’s the scientific approach, weighing risks and benefits, marching forward with modifications based on early results.

Instead, the AMA threw cold water on HCQ, joined by a medical establishment and media eager to ruin physicians’ careers if they challenged the dogma and dared promote HCQ.

The AMA played footloose with science and the truth. Some may call that lying and all for political purposes. Meanwhile people died. All to influence an election and depose the tweeting Orange Man in the White House.


Brian C. Joondeph, M.D., is a Denver-based physician and freelance writer for American Thinker, Rasmussen Reports, and other publications.


Source (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/12/ama_lied__how_many_died.html)

[Old Dog New Trick]

https://www.*******.com/watch?v=YgOAaLmoa68&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3JbSy-XHoOzFNMUTGjJju36j6GV9OVu1C04oUjD3hkSHE6rco3u7hUlj Y

I did some of the early ADME (Absorption, Distribution, Metabolism, Excretion) studies for Ivermectin. I had not thought of Ivermectin as a prophylactic for COVID-19. After listening to Dr. Kory, I think it should be formally evaluated. Unfortunately, this will get no traction just like Hydroxychloroquine. Why??? We can’t have low-cost repurposed drugs undermine the invested capital in big PhRMA now can we?

Note that Dr. Kory took great offense at Sen Gary Peter’s (D-MI) characterization of him as a politician. Typical liberal attempt to discredit a witness. I am surprised Sen Peters didn’t call him a racist too.

The Left is going out of its way to destroy small businesses and the middle class through this pandemic. Can't let a good crisis go to waste can we? Just further evidence of the destruction of our society from within! All cross-thread points greatly appreciated. :p

Thanks to Brother Old Dog New Trick for bringing this to my attention.:lifter

It appears by all accounts (bank accounts) Dr’s Fauci, Redfield and Birx will all be handsomely rewarded for their efforts to talk out both sides of their mouths from the earliest days of the spread while shoving their heads up their assess at every chance along the way.

People died because life saving treatments were denied to the physicians in care of moderately ill patients with co-morbidities that could have responded well to available off the shelf medicines.

There should be something criminal in that!

[tom kelly]

The American Medical Association is a corrupt union, the leadership is interested in one thing, Making money for themselves and they could care less about the public health of the population they are possibly more immoral than the tobacco companies that hid the truth about cigarette smoking and its link to lung cancer. Giant corporations gave rise to giant unions and both have been corrupted for money and power. The AMA is not a stand alone entity in massive corruption, The FBI, CIA, NSA, The Congress, The DNC, ACLU, SPLC, Planned Parenthood selling parts of aborted fetus, and probably every Government agency inside the DC Beltway.

[Trapper John]

Source (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/12/ama_lied__how_many_died.html)

Finest Kind! :lifter

[PedOncoDoc]

The American Medical Association is a corrupt union, the leadership is interested in one thing, Making money for themselves and they could care less about the public health of the population they are possibly more immoral than the tobacco companies that hid the truth about cigarette smoking and its link to lung cancer. Giant corporations gave rise to giant unions and both have been corrupted for money and power. The AMA is not a stand alone entity in massive corruption, The FBI, CIA, NSA, The Congress, The DNC, ACLU, SPLC, Planned Parenthood selling parts of aborted fetus, and probably every Government agency inside the DC Beltway.

I never joined the AMA for that very reason. Ironic that in the hospital, AMA translates to "against medical advice".

[Trapper John]

I never joined the AMA for that very reason. Ironic that in the hospital, AMA translates to "against medical advice".

I knew there was a reason I liked ya!:lifter

[Paslode]

Prioritizing medical needs by skin color, this will be interesting.

25 States Pledge To De-Prioritize White People For Vaccine Treatment

https://trendingpolitics.com/25-states-pledge-to-de-prioritize-white-people-for-vaccine-treatment/

[EricV]

Prioritizing medical needs by skin color, this will be interesting.

25 States Pledge To De-Prioritize White People For Vaccine Treatment

https://trendingpolitics.com/25-states-pledge-to-de-prioritize-white-people-for-vaccine-treatment/

Sooo... they're testing it on minorities first??

[Paslode]

Sooo... they're testing it on minorities first??

If something goes wrong during testing they can blame Trump, if the minority tests go well and in the process a bunch of old white folks are offed (genocide) like in NY its all good and Fauci will write his own book on leadership.

[1stindoor]

Prioritizing medical needs by skin color, this will be interesting.

25 States Pledge To De-Prioritize White People For Vaccine Treatment

https://trendingpolitics.com/25-states-pledge-to-de-prioritize-white-people-for-vaccine-treatment/
hahahahahahhaa....seriously...what could go wrong?

There's already been several national and local news stories written about the complete distrust within the Black community regarding this vaccine and the medical community at large. I guess no one recalls the Tuskegee experiments....I mean that was hundreds of years ago.

[Paslode]

hahahahahahhaa....seriously...what could go wrong?

There's already been several national and local news stories written about the complete distrust within the Black community regarding this vaccine and the medical community at large. I guess no one recalls the Tuskegee experiments....I mean that was hundreds of years ago.

Tuskegee was one of my first thoughts. We have a ethnic group that appears to be more susceptible to a disease due to social and economic conditions, possible genetics and TPTB decide it is best to put them at the front of the line of a new vaccine.



Apparently the model for who gets sent to the Right or Left of the vaccination line was produced by a gender bender freak named Jo Walker who is employed by the CDC. And it appears that Jo's vaccination model is based on whom is more essential and whom puts a drain on the system. So if you are retired and 70+ it has been deemed you are a drain on society and those younger than you are more deserving, and it's time help you on your way and redistribute that retirement.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1340737636546297856.html

All this seems to go hand in hand with Slo Joe 'Corona Virus Task Force' advisor Ezekiel Emanuel who hopes he (and everyone else) dies by age 75.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/08/21/238642/a-doctor-and-medical-ethicist-argues-life-after-75-is-not-worth-living/

[doctom54]

I never joined the AMA for that very reason. Ironic that in the hospital, AMA translates to "against medical advice".

I hate the AMA (never joined) and the AAFP(dropped 15 years ago when they signed a deal with Coca-Cola) and ABMS. None of them represent practicing physicians. It's all about income for them. After taking the FP boards 6 times and the Geriatric boards 3 times and Hospice and Palliative medicine once I've dropped my association with ABMS.

[GratefulCitizen]

A close friend of mine is Navajo and very traditional in his beliefs.
He's a UPS driver who delivers Chilchinbeto, one of the early epicenters from which COVID spread through the Navajo Nation.

He says most of the "traditional" types are very suspicious of the vaccine.
They find it odd that the white people aren't getting it first.

[Badger52]

It would seem that (https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/hospital-workers-turn-down-covid-vaccine-theres-too-much-mistrust) Navajo aren't the only ones with trust issues.

Hospital Workers Turn Down COVID Vaccine: "There's Too Much Mistrust"
by Tyler Durden
Wednesday, Dec 23, 2020 - 4:11

Less than a week after we reported on widespread resistance among healthcare workers in one Chicago hospital, BeckersHospitalReview.com's Ayla Ellison reports that the virus of vaccine mistrust is spreading...

Many employees at Howard University Hospital in Washington, D.C., have reservations about taking the COVID-19 vaccine, and CEO Anita Jenkins is trying to get workers to follow her lead by getting vaccinated, according to CNN.

The hospital, a major healthcare provider for the Black community, received 725 doses of the Pfizer vaccine Dec. 15 and expects to receive a second shipment this week. As of Dec. 18, only about 600 of the hospital's 1,900 employees had signed up for the shots, according to Kaiser Health News.

"There is a high level of mistrust and I get it," Ms. Jenkins told Kaiser Health News.

"People are genuinely afraid of the vaccine."

The vaccination numbers, though low, still exceeded expectations, Ms. Jenkins told CNN. An internal hospital survey of about 350 employees in early November showed that 70 percent were not willing to take the COVID-19 vaccine or would not take it immediately after it became available.

Ms. Jenkins received the shot Dec. 15 in hopes of inspiring staff to get vaccinated. She's part of a widespread effort by healthcare experts and community leaders to combat vaccine hesitancy among Black Americans. About 35 percent of Black Americans said they probably or definitely would not get the vaccine if it was determined to be safe by scientists and widely available for free, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation study cited by CNN.

Howard University Hospital isn't the only healthcare provider with workers who turned down the vaccine.

At Doctors Hospital at Renaissance in Edinburg, Texas, so many workers declined the COVID-19 vaccine that the hospital offered doses to other medical workers in the region, according to ProPublica.

The hospital received 5,850 doses of the vaccine, and it quickly became clear that not enough people eligible for the vaccine, like staff who work directly with COVID-19 patients, were opting to get it, DHR Health CMO Robert Martinez, MD, told ProPublica.

"You start to see similar numbers across the country, all this mistrust and misinformation," Dr. Martinez said.

After the first day of distribution, DHR reached out to other hospitals and healthcare facilities in the region to offer doses of the vaccine. ProPublica reported that the vaccine ended up going to non-medical personnel as well, including state Sen. Eddie Lucio Jr. He told ProPublica he was invited to take the vaccine by DHR after officials explained to him that all eligible workers who wanted the vaccine received it.

In short, as we noted previously, nobody wants to be a guinea pig.
:munchin

[Pete]

Funny this study comes out now.

"Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002934320306732

".....Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is an antimalarial/anti-inflammatory drug that impairs endosomal transfer of virions within human cells. HCQ is also a zinc ionophore that conveys zinc intracellularly to block the SARS-CoV-2 RNA-dependent RNA polymerase, which is the core enzyme of the virus replication.21 The currently completed retrospective studies and randomized trials have generally shown these findings: 1) when started late in the hospital course and for short durations of time, antimalarials appear to be ineffective, 2) when started earlier in the hospital course, for progressively longer durations and in outpatients, antimalarials may reduce the progression of disease, prevent hospitalization, and are associated with reduced mortality.22, 23, 24, 25 ..."

But of course we knew that way back when - while Trump was still President.

[Penn]

Largest Factory Global that produced HQC blows up. This event may not be random. YMMV


https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4082989

[1stindoor]

Nothing to see here.

[Costa]

It would seem that (https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/hospital-workers-turn-down-covid-vaccine-theres-too-much-mistrust) Navajo aren't the only ones with trust issues.


:munchin

I've been seeing/hearing/reading some very odd and troubling claims that seem to make logical sense about this vaccine as I'm sure others have too.

At this point, pretty much my entire family (ages ranging from 1-74) has already had Covid with no severe issues. Mild fevers (~100-101), loss of taste and smell for a few days, fatigue, and lingering cough. All were knocked down for a few days but that's about it. None of them see the point in getting a vaccine for something they've already had- especially when you throw in the weird claims that are floating around. I'm sure that's where a lot of people are at too. Everyone I know now seems to have an anecdotal story that doesn't align with what we're being told by the MSM/popular culture. The fear may need a reboot soon, so I'm sure there will be some looming catastrophe that can only be fixed by the pharmaceutical industry.

I just told my wife last night that when she's ready to go Amish- I'm in.

[bblhead672]

Two lawmakers test positive for coronavirus, one after receiving both doses of vaccine (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/30/two-lawmakers-test-positive-coronavirus-one-after-receiving-both-doses-vaccine/)

Two members of Congress from Massachusetts have tested positive for the coronavirus, one after receiving both doses of the vaccine, a reminder that people can still be vulnerable to infection after being vaccinated, particularly in the two weeks after receiving the second dose.

Rep. Stephen F. Lynch (D-Mass.) tested positive for the virus on Friday afternoon after a staff member in his Boston office tested positive earlier in the week, his spokeswoman Molly Rose Tarpey said.

Lynch received a second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine before the inauguration of President Biden on Jan. 20, but his office declined to specify the date it was administered. Lynch had tested negative for the virus before attending the inaugural ceremonies, Tarpey said.

[rsdengler]

Two lawmakers test positive for coronavirus, one after receiving both doses of vaccine (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/30/two-lawmakers-test-positive-coronavirus-one-after-receiving-both-doses-vaccine/)

So is the vaccine like a flu shot? You know, it just eases the symptoms but is not the cure. Do the antibodies protect us from this particular strain?....What gets me is that this vaccine was produced quickly and sent out basically untested. Am I right? We cannot even cure the common cold and now they want us to take this vaccine and walk around with "Vaccine Papers". I'm just not sure of the reasoning if it's not effective. So now they are asking us to "double or triple" mask wearing. Well Hell, let's just put 50 of those bad boys on our faces....Quick fix is not a cure all....I just don't know anymore what is happening in this Country.

[Sohei]

....I just don't know anymore what is happening in this Country.

Don't focus on it too much. *They* want us all of psychoactive drugs so we will be zombies and just go along with whatever it is they want us to do or be. There have been so many contradictions concerning COVID that I don't know why anyone would believe anything about it at this point.

Personally, it has proven what I thought about a lot of society as a whole and that is...they will sale their souls if the government wants them to.

[Box]

*They* want us all of psychoactive drugs so we will be zombies and just go along with whatever it is they want us to do or be.

The entire dystopian genre of literature could easily use the Wuhan Flu as a vehicle and books like 1984, Brave New world, and We would still read pretty much the same.

Replace Big Brother, Victory Gin, and Minitrue with WHO, Vaccines, and CNN
...same old chestnut

Replace WHO, Vaccines, and CNN with the the World State, Soma, and Mustapha Mond

The only real difference shouldn't surprise anyone. Orwell's dystopia relies on a restriction of information. The government will tell you what you need to know and don't be stupid enough to seek more or ask why. Drink your victory gin and shut the fuck up...
...sort of like China

Huxley's approach to dystopia is how we do it here in America - we'll just choke you to death with information overload until you are frustrated, saturated, and desensitized - then you'll just give up.
You thought you knew the data? SURPRISE - CDC just updated the data on their website so you have to start over.
Fauci said masks were useless -SURPRISE - now they are mandatory and not wearing one kills grandma.
Oh, you've finally given up trying to make a point that the CDC data does or doesn't support the science of wearing a ma....
...SURPRISE, now we want you to wear TWO masks - because Fauci said so - or wear three - or maybe more - mathematically, according to our politicianturnedscientistturnedmedicalexpertturned healthcareprovidersturnedeviloverlords, you could just wear 6-7-8 masks all at once and become damn near immortal.

or whatever, who cares anymore - I'm tired of trying to keep up with all the contradictory information - lets just legalize recreational drugs and get high as fuck...
...like soma, maybe a few shots of soma will be good for treating the wuhan flu

[rsdengler]

Don't focus on it too much. *They* want us all of psychoactive drugs so we will be zombies and just go along with whatever it is they want us to do or be. There have been so many contradictions concerning COVID that I don't know why anyone would believe anything about it at this point.

Personally, it has proven what I thought about a lot of society as a whole and that is...they will sale their souls if the government wants them to.

Truth......I haven't changed my regular "life" routine, they just change their recommendations like a pair of underwear. I have no intention of taking a vaccine, heck I don't even get a flu shot. It's funny how so many people believe all the bs the Government tells them. I'm like "Na"....:D

[rsdengler]

I'm tired of trying to keep up with all the contradictory information - lets just legalize recreational drugs and get high as fuck...
...like soma, maybe a few shots of soma will be good for treating the wuhan flu

I'm with you.....when can we start?:p

[Ret10Echo]

I'm with you.....when can we start?:p

Oregon already started

[rsdengler]

Oregon already started

I wouldn't want to live in Oregon....Lol.... Maybe I'll be a "recreational weed" grower here on the East Coast. :D

[1stindoor]

Soon we'll just all drink Brawndo to wash down our Soylent Green.

[Box]

Soon we'll just all drink Brawndo to wash down our Soylent Green.

Why would you want made up Hollywood consumables like Brawndo and Soylent when we already have things like Joose, Sparks, Impossible Burgers, and Beyond Meat ??

When the shelves are bare from government mandated Wuhan Flu lock downs and all you can find are Vegan-BBQ Ribz and Gluten-Free White Claw - what choice do you have.

Soy based bratwurst and low-fat almond milk are only one executive order away from becoming the official staples of a patriotic diet that helps protect freedom loving Americans from becoming infected with vaccine resistant Wuhan Flu.

[bblhead672]

So is the vaccine like a flu shot? You know, it just eases the symptoms but is not the cure. Do the antibodies protect us from this particular strain?....What gets me is that this vaccine was produced quickly and sent out basically untested. Am I right? We cannot even cure the common cold and now they want us to take this vaccine and walk around with "Vaccine Papers". I'm just not sure of the reasoning if it's not effective. So now they are asking us to "double or triple" mask wearing. Well Hell, let's just put 50 of those bad boys on our faces....Quick fix is not a cure all....I just don't know anymore what is happening in this Country.

Nothing to worry about...just get on the train.

[bblhead672]

Dear Dr. Fauci,
Several studies have indicated that wrapping your entire head in several layers of saran wrap will prevent you from ever getting the virus.
Would you please demonstrate how this works by wrapping your head in saran wrap for several days?
Regards,
Sam Skeptical

[tom kelly]

Pfizer, The giant pharmaceutical company that developed Sindenafil Citrate (Vigara) initially to treat heart disease discovered that there was a beneficial side effect that would "cure" erectile dysfunction. Will there be another benefit from the Covid vaccine that will show up to make PFIZER more $$$$$$$$$$. Just wondering. I saw a podcast by medical researchers Edward Walsh MD, Robert Frenck MD et al. where they noted that the Pfizer BioNTech mRNA vaccine cost @ $19.50/dose. The CEO of Pfizer makes @ $22 million +/year. I wonder what his bonus for this will be ?.

[PedOncoDoc]

Pfizer, The giant pharmaceutical company that developed Sindenafil Citrate (Vigara) initially to treat heart disease discovered that there was a beneficial side effect that would "cure" erectile dysfunction. Will there be another benefit from the Covid vaccine that will show up to make PFIZER more $$$$$$$$$$. Just wondering. I saw a podcast by medical researchers Edward Walsh MD, Robert Frenck MD et al. where they noted that the Pfizer BioNTech mRNA vaccine cost @ $19.50/dose. The CEO of Pfizer makes @ $22 million +/year. I wonder what his bonus for this will be ?.

They only learned of the unexpected "benefits" of sildenafil when the men who were on the clinical trials refused to give their leftover medication back. :D

[rsdengler]

Nothing to worry about...just get on the train.

Ahhhhh....No thanks I think I'll walk....lol.....but I'll never follow the crowd....;)

[Old Dog New Trick]

This should be front and center on the nightly news...where is the factual reporting or have we moved beyond that even after the election is over?

OAN Newsroom
UPDATED 1:20 PM PT – Thursday, February 11, 2021

One of the pledges the CDC outlined on their website is to “base all public health decisions on the highest quality scientific data that is derived openly and objectively.” However, a report by the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge and the Public Health Policy Initiative argued that when it mattered the most, the CDC prioritized politics over policy.

The IPAK and the PHPI compiled a study, which looked into how the CDC reported coronavirus cases and how they determined who died from the virus and who didn’t. The groups outlined their main concern in the abstract, that the number of deaths highlighted during the election by the CDC itself do not match the number the CDC attributed to just the coronavirus.

The report went on to show the CDC adjusted its guidelines for recording causes of death on March 24. The study claimed the adjustment allowed for a “capricious alteration to data collection,” which “compromised the accuracy, quality, objectivity, utility, and integrity of their published data, leading to a significant increase in COVID-19 fatalities.”

This increase was used to great effect during the election and provided Democrats with ample ammunition to use against their Republican opponents. It allowed for Democrat governors to impose draconian restrictions on their constituents, bringing entire state economies to a grinding halt.


“A number of days ago, there were six Bay Area counties that lead with Stay at Home Orders,” Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-Calif.) previously stated. “Now, as I speak, some 21.3 million Californians reside in a community, in a city and or county that have similar orders.”


However, the foundation of the argument Democrats used to keep people indoors was built on shaky ground.

The CDC claimed it abided by the World Health Organization’s guidelines when reporting causes of deaths, namely by using the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, which created two diagnostic classifications for coronavirus related deaths. One was used for cases where a lab confirmed the virus was the direct cause of death, and the other was used when COVID-19 was one of several comorbidities, any number of which could have led to a patient’s death.

“They were actually gunshot wounds,” a coroner stated. “The people had tested earlier in the month for COVID and because they did have COVID, our state health department is listing them as COVID deaths.”

The study found that if the CDC had abided by the guidelines for reporting causes of deaths that they had been using for nearly two decades, the total COVID-19 fatalities would have been approximately 92 percent lower than what was reported.

According to the calculations by the IPAK and the PHPI, by today’s numbers, that would take the 468,000 reported deaths down to just under 35,000.

[Sohei]

...They were actually gunshot wounds,” a coroner stated. “The people had tested earlier in the month for COVID and because they did have COVID, our state health department is listing them as COVID deaths.”[/COLOR]

The study found that if the CDC had abided by the guidelines for reporting causes of deaths that they had been using for nearly two decades, the total COVID-19 fatalities would have been approximately 92 percent lower than what was reported.

I received information of that occurring in our state as well as many others and it has been shown over and over again to be the truth. It's because of the willingness of hospitals to do things like this that I choose to no longer believe anything whatsoever concerning COVID. However, I suspect there will never be any type of actions taken against any of the frauds. Much like any other issue like this, there is much money to be made off of COVID.

[tonyz]

Vegan-BBQ Ribz and Gluten-Free White Claw - what choice do you have.

Soy based bratwurst and low-fat almond milk are only one executive order away from becoming the official staples of a patriotic diet that helps protect freedom loving Americans from becoming infected with vaccine resistant Wuhan Flu.

<Shudder>...just reading that made me nauseous.

At least you didn’t include Tofurkey.

[Texas_Shooter]

According to the calculations by the IPAK and the PHPI, by today’s numbers, that would take the 468,000 reported deaths down to just under 35,000.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot :eek:

[PSM]

Remember, Woodstock took place during the Hong Kong Flu Pandemic in 1969. ;) And every teenager alive back then was there. I know, they told me.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Anyone now find it interesting that they keep moving the goal posts with the virus now that Trump is out of office?

There are now at least two new variants that are oddly named for where they were discovered...the UK (United Kingdom) virus...and the South African virus that spread more easily. But don’t call it the Chinese or Wuhan virus because that is racist!

Also, according to the CDC now, you can avoid self quarantine if you have been vaccinated, even though you may test positive and be a host (carrier) of the virus. Also, they believe that the vaccines may not be effective against one of the new strains but don’t worry they are still evaluating things as they move forward with “The Biden vaccination program.” You will soon have to be vaccinated to travel on commercial airlines and show your “papers” to perform any government related access.

Kids can safely return to school “at least one day per week” in some areas without causing a super spreader event - unlike the Super Bowl! According to the CDC and the teacher’s union. (My kid and several thousand other children in Texas have been attending regular school five days a week since September and there have been only a few positive students and teachers who have all returned to class a couple weeks later. Only masks are worn by all, no plexiglass cubicles, no social distancing being enforced and the school didn’t spend any extra money on new HVAC systems.)


I’m still waiting on the 9/11 like deep dive investigation to begin so the tax payers can pay for another big lie.

Yes, the virus is real, I don’t deny that, but it is also not as deadly as has been reported to be unless you have a compromised or over-worked vascular or respiratory disease. And if you did and your doctor put you on Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin, zink and steroidal anti-inflammatories early in the process you would likely be just fine and have flu like symptoms for a few days at home.

The medical malpractice lawsuits that will come from this should be staggering and make those commercials for asbestos and Round-Up seem like insignificant distractions.

[Box]

Agenda
Messaging
Optics

...in other news, brilliant climate scientists have uncovered evidence that suggests the sun will rise in the east tomorrow morning. Extensive climate modeling suggests that fossil fuels, red meat, gender deniers, conservatives, and the refusal to wear a mask may cause the sun to set in the west sometime tomorrow evening, possibly causing untold chaos.

If that happens, we may well be completely fucked.

Economists are worried that vaccine shortages coupled with a possible surge in demand for carbon credits may crash the economy.
Political analysts are blaming former Presidents Trump, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, Eisenhower, Hoover, Coolidge, Harding, Taft, Roosevelt, McKinley, Harrison, Arthur, Garfield, Hayes, and Grant for the pending disaster - the Garland Justice Department is expected to start investigations as soon as the confirmation process is complete.
Impeachment proceedings have been initiated on all of them.

The Bushes were let off the hook because they all voted for Hillary and Joe - Lincoln is getting a pass because of an executive order directing the library of congress to change all references to President Lincoln to "Democratic President Lincoln"

Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and Adams are not being investigated YET - because they listed themselves as DEMOCRATIC-republicans.
Once they can figure out a woke name for D.C. poor old George is toast.
Joe Biden could not be reached for comment.


In other news, I'm selling carbon credits and used COVID vaccine syringes on E-bay, Etsy, Gun Broker, and Craig's List for those of you that are interested.
THIS is the way.

[bblhead672]

The study found that if the CDC had abided by the guidelines for reporting causes of deaths that they had been using for nearly two decades, the total COVID-19 fatalities would have been approximately 92 percent lower than what was reported.

According to the calculations by the IPAK and the PHPI, by today’s numbers, that would take the 468,000 reported deaths down to just under 35,000.

Once the medical community was incentivized to report deaths as Covid you can bet the administrators were eager to receive the government funds.

Yes, the virus is real. Three men in my church in the age group 62-72 have died in the past two months "of Covid". All three had underlying conditions - two asthma and one with cancer.
My ex-boss died in mid-January of a heart attack after being released from hospital with Covid.
All of these are "Covid deaths."
I know no one who has died solely from Covid.

[tom kelly]

This virus was genetically engineered in The Naval Engineering Bio- Weapons Lab of Dr. Chen Wi. the lab director of China's Bio-Weapons Program. Chen Wi, is also a Lt. General in the CCP. Army.

[NurseTim]

Has anyone asked when the masks can come off? Is there an exit strategy?

[The Reaper]

Has anyone asked when the masks can come off? Is there an exit strategy?

Just before the next election.

TR

[cbtengr]

Has anyone asked when the masks can come off? Is there an exit strategy?

Last I heard was Joe saying sometime in 2022, he cares.

[tonyz]

Has anyone asked when the masks can come off...

Oh, the masks have come off...you are a racist, terrorist for even asking such a question...and, if you have the Celtic cross or a nuclear energy tattoo...DHS may pay you a visit.

You’re now on permanent lockdown AND double secret probation.

One more question like that and it’s the no fly list for you.

No wonder TPTB say that folks who talk shit like you are just like ISIS.

On a serious note...can you believe this shit in America?

[Sohei]

Between this thread and the military attacking its Warriors for "signs and symbols" thread, I couldn't be happier that I am retired and can now act as my own HR and Complaint Department. The nation is falling apart quicker than I would have liked. I hope there are those that will take note and hopefully vote differently within the next two years.

[Joker]

Has anyone asked when the masks can come off? Is there an exit strategy?

An hour after Trump announces he is running for the Presidency.

[sfshooter]

The heavy pressure is coming down from above. I am currently working an OCONUS job at a .gov facility and the word coming down is that you will soon have to have the vaccine in order to enter a .gov building.
While it is still voluntary, one of our higher up .gov chiefs has put out that he wants a 100% participation.

Guess we'll see how the ball rolls as I know the majority of my clan has declined to participate at this point.

[cbtengr]

ODNT, I wished to confirm your post regarding actual Covid deaths as stated from an article from OAN News. I cannot get into OAN Newsroom for some reason, maybe the truth squad took them down.