Wuhan Coronavirus

[Old Dog New Trick]

ODNT, I wished to confirm your post regarding actual Covid deaths as stated from an article from OAN News. I cannot get into OAN Newsroom for some reason, maybe the truth squad took them down.

That was the whole article C&P’d. It would be nice to find those numbers from other sources though. I’m sure some day the truth will come out. It always does (unless you’re a Democrat)

[Gypsy]

ODNT, I wished to confirm your post regarding actual Covid deaths as stated from an article from OAN News. I cannot get into OAN Newsroom for some reason, maybe the truth squad took them down.

Maybe it was a glitch, I was just on the site.

[cbtengr]

Maybe it was a glitch, I was just on the site.

Must have been because I just now got it to open. Regards!

[Last hard class]

There are now at least two new variants that are oddly named for where they were discovered...the UK (United Kingdom) virus...and the South African virus that spread more easily. But don’t call it the Chinese or Wuhan virus because that is racist!


Great point.



LHC

[NurseTim]

Hey, can I buy bat soup croup credits at the same place I bought carbon credits?


I didn’t really but carbon credits, al has enough money.

[Box]

Hey, can I buy bat soup croup credits at the same place I bought carbon credits?

You can - but I dont really "have" them right now - I was hoping to borrow some from aLg0re, short it, then use the profits to go long on Unilever.

Truth be told - I'll probably blow the profits on a case of Johnny Walker Blue and a few boxes of small pistol primers

[tom kelly]

The United Kingdom UK Variant of COVID-19 is a mutation amino acid change from Asparagine to Tyrosine at position 501 in the receptor binding domain of the spike protein...(N501Y) . This is not uncommon in viruses and it is not worrisome to virologist because they have seen it before...probably will not lessen the effect on immunization and antibody production of the mRNA vaccines. Everyones immune system reacts differently to an antigen-antibody response. Way too early to answer all the questions even with new technology tools of CRISPR and Next Generation Sequencing...

[rsdengler]

The nation is falling apart quicker than I would have liked. I hope there are those that will take note and hopefully vote differently within the next two years.

Truth.....But it seems like we still are cursed with the same old idiots in office every time. Someone needs to break that circle because it's getting ridiculous. Now double masking, words you can no longer utter because they are deemed "racist or not gender friendly" You do wonder if it's all about control and manipulation. We just need to get back to some kind of normalcy. The powers that be fail to realize that besides the economy taking a nosedive, mental health issues are exploding from people being in lock down, that's a crisis in itself.

[Ret10Echo]

Truth.....But it seems like we still are cursed with the same old idiots in office every time. Someone needs to break that circle because it's getting ridiculous. Now double masking, words you can no longer utter because they are deemed "racist or not gender friendly" You do wonder if it's all about control and manipulation. We just need to get back to some kind of normalcy. The powers that be fail to realize that besides the economy taking a nosedive, mental health issues are exploding from people being in lock down, that's a crisis in itself.


There is no "choice" .... We can delude ourselves but the RNC and DNC will choose for you

Get in line and cast your ballot...D, R or "flush"

Or as Box would say.... "Eat your peas"

[Paslode]

Truth.....But it seems like we still are cursed with the same old idiots in office every time. Someone needs to break that circle because it's getting ridiculous. Now double masking, words you can no longer utter because they are deemed "racist or not gender friendly" You do wonder if it's all about control and manipulation. We just need to get back to some kind of normalcy. The powers that be fail to realize that besides the economy taking a nosedive, mental health issues are exploding from people being in lock down, that's a crisis in itself.

MICHELLE OBAMA: "Barack knows that we are going to have to make sacrifices; we are going to have to change our conversation; we're going to have to change our traditions, our history; we're going to have to move into a different place as a nation."

https://www.foxnews.com/story/rewriting-our-history-changing-our-traditions

[Sohei]

Shallow thinkers believe that changing "names" and "things" change facts. This nation "wants" to be divided -- that's why it's politicians are working so hard to keep it that way. The sooner people realize that, the better off we will be. I don't have a problem knowing whether a person is for me or against me -- just put it out there and drive on. I just don't like the kiddie games they play in the name of doing what they deem right for the nation.

[doctom54]

There is no "choice" .... We can delude ourselves but the RNC and DNC will choose for you

Get in line and cast your ballot...D, R or "flush"

Or as Box would say.... "Eat your peas"

Unfortunately, I agree.

[bblhead672]

Truth.....But it seems like we still are cursed with the same old idiots in office every time. Someone needs to break that circle because it's getting ridiculous. Now double masking, words you can no longer utter because they are deemed "racist or not gender friendly" You do wonder if it's all about control and manipulation. We just need to get back to some kind of normalcy. The powers that be fail to realize that besides the economy taking a nosedive, mental health issues are exploding from people being in lock down, that's a crisis in itself.

The people with the biggest mental health issues seem to roam the halls of Congress daily.

[bblhead672]

There is no "choice" .... We can delude ourselves but the RNC and DNC will choose for you

Get in line and cast your ballot...D, R or "flush"

Or as Box would say.... "Eat your peas"

Neither party gives a rat's ass about "we the people."

[Sohei]

Neither party gives a rat's ass about "we the people."

Yep. I don't believe they have for a couple decades now. The Republicrats only seemed to care because POTUS Trump was someone they could rally behind because he led from the front and was a worthy leader. Now that he is gone, their true selfish colors are showing from both sides of the aisle.

[rsdengler]

There is no "choice" .... We can delude ourselves but the RNC and DNC will choose for you

Get in line and cast your ballot...D, R or "flush"

Or as Box would say.... "Eat your peas"

Lol....no peas and I think I’ll flush.... I don’t trust either side :o

[rsdengler]

The people with the biggest mental health issues seem to roam the halls of Congress daily.

Ha to bad we couldn’t throw them into the asylum and weld the doors shut.:D

[pcfixer]

Ha to bad we couldn’t throw them into the asylum and weld the doors shut.:D

100% agreement. Best post I've read.

[PSM]

Ha to bad we couldn’t throw them into the asylum and weld the doors shut.:D

That's why they used movies like The Snake Pit and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
to close asylums. Thanks to drug induced paranoia, they feared that they might be seen as crazy and institutionalized. And look at them now, 57 genders, convincing young girls that they are boys or vice versa, etc. Now they are trying to close the prisons for similar reason, they are criminals.

[rsdengler]

That's why they used movies like The Snake Pit and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
to close asylums. Thanks to drug induced paranoia, they feared that they might be seen as crazy and institutionalized. And look at them now, 57 genders, convincing young girls that they are boys or vice versa, etc. Now they are trying to close the prisons for similar reason, they are criminals.

We are starting to lose our identity because of "political correctness and fuckery"......(excuse my language Lol) F'ing Gender Pronouns......STOP shoving it down our throats...we just want to be left alone..ha....:D

[Badger52]

We are starting to lose our identity because of "political correctness and fuckery"......(excuse my language Lol) F'ing Gender Pronouns......STOP shoving it down our throats...we just want to be left alone..ha....:DGenders.
There are two.

[PSM]

Genders.
There are two.

Three, actually. Gender is a literary construct and they are He, She, and It. There are a lot of Its on the Left these days.

[Box]

The 'rona has damaged peoples perception - we are already IN the asylum - welding the door shut only traps us inside - its just like this silly bullshit with the federal mask mandate - this mask bullshit is no different than the clothes that inmates wear - the wuhan flu is just the club that 'they' are going to use to beat you down - its the distracting that they needed to infringe on all of your OTHER freedoms...

Let me break down the wuhan flu problem in the context of an old Strother Martin clip:

You deny the 'rona one time, you got yourself a lockdown and a mask.
You deny the 'rona twice you got yourself two masks.
You ain't gonna need no third mask, 'cause you gonna get your mind right.

You gonna get used to wearin' them masks after a while, Amerika. Don't you never stop thinking about them 'rona masks 'cause they gonna remind you of what I been saying...
It's For your own good.



Me personally, I just wish the gubmint would stop bein' so good to me

[Penn]

A FOG, w/local resources + commitment to cause could completely obstruct the administration domestic and FP interest. As they so boldly stated: it's about POWER and the political will to use it.

Thats a two way street.

Port LA, Long Beach in Flames, as one point of departure.

[1stindoor]

We are starting to lose our identity because of "political correctness and fuckery"......(excuse my language Lol) F'ing Gender Pronouns......STOP shoving it down our throats...we just want to be left alone..ha....:D

Just to avoid future confusion...do you now prefer to use "we" and "our?" :D Sorry too easy.

[rsdengler]

Just to avoid future confusion...do you now prefer to use "we" and "our?" :D Sorry too easy.

Well "We" as "We the people"......"Our" as in "Our rights"....Or We and Our if I had a significant other. But now it's She/Her or Him/He......Lol....Right now "He" needs to go shovel my walkway; oh wait forget that, it has to be "she" since it's only me...hahahaha....:D

[rsdengler]

The 'rona has damaged peoples perception - we are already IN the asylum - welding the door shut only traps us inside - its just like this silly bullshit with the federal mask mandate - this mask bullshit is no different than the clothes that inmates wear - the wuhan flu is just the club that 'they' are going to use to beat you down - its the distracting that they needed to infringe on all of your OTHER freedoms...

Let me break down the wuhan flu problem in the context of an old Strother Martin clip:

You deny the 'rona one time, you got yourself a lockdown and a mask.
You deny the 'rona twice you got yourself two masks.
You ain't gonna need no third mask, 'cause you gonna get your mind right.

You gonna get used to wearin' them masks after a while, Amerika. Don't you never stop thinking about them 'rona masks 'cause they gonna remind you of what I been saying...
It's For your own good.



Me personally, I just wish the gubmint would stop bein' so good to me

Masks are only for hiding oneself...hahaha...I rather be "maskless" and face the consequences of my actions. :o

The "gubmint" can kiss my little white derriere....they are insufferable....:D

[Box]

Masks are only for hiding oneself...hahaha...I rather be "maskless" and face the consequences of my actions. :o

The "gubmint" can kiss my little white derriere....they are insufferable....:D


Is there a published mandate that we wear pants?
I'm waiting for folks to start running around with nothing more than a birthday suit, rubber gloves,and their government mandated face mask - and of course their vaccine card
(pistol belt is optional based on your states carry laws)

Such behavior cant be any more ridiculous than what we are already witnessing.

[tom kelly]

Keep your eye on the ball & the MONEY, Who gave us this virus & WHY. CHINA DID.Why, World Domination for the CCP... Right now the slo joe administration is considering another 1.9 Trillion dollar stimulus, relief, bailout (you pick the name), because your children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and beyond will be paying off this massive Government hand-out. Perspective; Spending $ 1.00/second it would take 32,000 years to spend a Trillion dollars. Currently, there are NO individual Trillion aires in the world, Jeff Bezos is on track to this milestone but the future is, well, uncertain. SO, who gets the money, pennies to the people, billions to the demo-communist state & local governments.

[Old Dog New Trick]

This story is freaking awesome!

https://apple.news/AGp7Gf41oRaucVz2iUiSDng

So is the truthful numbers of people who have been infected with Covid-19, survived and moved on with their lives or those that have not been infected at all.

Somewhere in time we will find out what was more important: vaccinations or just living your life...

[Box]

Bro...

Those COVID vaccines work.
I haven't had COVID one single time since the vaccine came out.
Not once.

Even the J&J one works - of course, it does have its dangers - and percentage wise, it could cause almost as many blood clots as FDA approved birth control pills

of course, they dont work well enough to allow fully vaccinated people to start living without their masks

and they dont work well enough to prevent the drug companies from saying that we "might" need booster shots

but they work
Saint Fauci said so.

They certainly DO work well enough to keep Saint Fauci's stock portfolio fatter than a purple haired vagina hat wearing anti-trumper
...but thats fodder for a different thread

[glebo]

Bro...

Those COVID vaccines work.
I haven't had COVID one single time since the vaccine came out.
Not once.

Even the J&J one works - of course, it does have its dangers - and percentage wise, it could cause almost as many blood clots as FDA approved birth control pills

of course, they dont work well enough to allow fully vaccinated people to start living without their masks

and they dont work well enough to prevent the drug companies from saying that we "might" need booster shots

but they work
Saint Fauci said so.

They certainly DO work well enough to keep Saint Fauci's stock portfolio fatter than a purple haired vagina hat wearing anti-trumper
...but thats fodder for a different thread


That...made my morning...now for the brain bleach...

[mark46th]

All the blood clot cases were in pre-menopausal women.

Apparently, to take the Johnson and Johnson vaccine, you have to have a johnson...

[Ret10Echo]

Maybe our infectious disease SME's here can help me understand this...

If the WHO determined that SARS-CoV-2 originated in an animal-human transfer....

Why am I not hearing of other animal-human transfers of SARS-CoV-2?

I understand that the crack-team from the WHO, after being provided their completed report immediately upon arriving in Wuhan is on a scavenger hunt, search for pot-of-gold/pile of excrement to determine where the virus is.

Any insights here?

[Old Dog New Trick]

Maybe our infectious disease SME's here can help me understand this...

If the WHO determined that SARS-CoV-2 originated in an animal-human transfer....

Why am I not hearing of other animal-human transfers of SARS-CoV-2?

I understand that the crack-team from the WHO, after being provided their completed report immediately upon arriving in Wuhan is on a scavenger hunt, search for pot-of-gold/pile of excrement to determine where the virus is.

Any insights here?

It was just a one-off crazy bat delicious on a stick but someone ate it and now it’s gone and so is the person who ate it. Right before they sneezed and coughed on a dozen other raw meat eating savages.

Doncha know!

[tom kelly]

China gave the world this virus, It is a genetically engineered BIO-WEAPON from Dr. Chen Wi's Level IV Lab located in The Naval Engineering Lab in Wuhan, China This was an intentional First Strike, like Pearl Harbor and the 911 bombing. China is at WAR with the world and the world is doing nothing about it, It will be interesting to see if the Russians take this first strike on the chin like the U S A and do nothing to pay back the CCP.

[Badger52]

All the blood clot cases were in pre-menopausal women.

Apparently, to take the Johnson and Johnson vaccine, you have to have a johnson...Misogyny!!! :eek:

Place yourself in cancellation for at least 15 minutes.

[Badger52]

Apparently peer-reviewed study by Stanford (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/), published at NIH (vare haff I hurd zat nem befooor?)

BLUF (emphasis mine)

Conclusion

The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression. Long-term consequences of wearing facemask can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death. Governments, policy makers and health organizations should utilize prosper and scientific evidence-based approach with respect to wearing facemasks, when the latter is considered as preventive intervention for public health.
------------------

Apologize if this is old news to everyone. I imagine that all the news outlets covered it immediately back in November 2020. Didn't they... Bueller?
:munchin

[Pete]

Appears to have been a wasted year driven by fear to get Orange Man Bad out of the White House.

"Reconciling estimates of global spread and infection fatality rates
of COVID- 19: An overview of systematic evaluations"

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13554

BLUF - "..All systematic evaluations of seroprevalence data converge that SARS- CoV- 2 infection is widely spread globally. Acknowledging residual uncertainties, the available evidence suggests average global IFR of ~0.15% and ~1.5- 2.0 billion infections by February 2021 with substantial differences in IFR and in infection spread across continents, countries and locations. .."

IFR = infection fatality rate

[1stindoor]

Appears to have been a wasted year driven by fear to get Orange Man Bad out of the White House.



Hang on, hang on...I'm trying to find my surprised face emoji.

[Old Dog New Trick]

^^^only a statistician would enjoy reading that. Not much medical data can be gleaned from it.

It would appear though (without biases over or under counting IFR) that the general population has a better than 99.5% survival rate even if the infection rate seems much higher. Also that countries with elderly care facilities where old people are concentrated have a higher prevalence of death than countries that do not have such facilities.

[Pete]

^^^only a statistician would enjoy reading that. Not much medical data can be gleaned from it....

Way, way back when this thing first started rolling the first wide spread testing showed it was way more widely spread in the general population than the regular testing was showing. Think it was in a city in CA and an area of NY.

It was said at the time that the "untested" spread was going to drive down the IFR.

It appears that was true - but of course the fake news couldn't push that.

And they still aren't.

Still sucks if you or yours was part of the < .5% but........

[Old Dog New Trick]

Yup, and his royal heinous (highness) Dr. Fauci insists there will be no herd immunity unless >90% of the population is vaccinated. Something rarely seen before with any disease (with few exceptions) where either the natural selection or predisposed conditions exists.

Me thinks the Chinese knew exactly what they were doing and why.

ETA: P.S. what did the CDC and HHS know and when did they know it when they produced the SARS-CoV-2 vaccination record and provided nearly a dozen blank boxes for future shots?

[Trapper John]

China gave the world this virus, It is a genetically engineered BIO-WEAPON from Dr. Chen Wi's Level IV Lab located in The Naval Engineering Lab in Wuhan, China This was an intentional First Strike, like Pearl Harbor and the 911 bombing. China is at WAR with the world and the world is doing nothing about it, It will be interesting to see if the Russians take this first strike on the chin like the U S A and do nothing to pay back the CCP.

EXACTLY:lifter

Moreover, St. Fauci funded gain of function research in Wi's laboratory through NIA ID.:eek: but we don't want to talk about that!

[Box]

Bro - using an estimated global population of 7,794,798,739 and a disease that only 99.5% of the population is going to survive, we can use the basic calculation of X/Y = P x 100 to analyze some possible results.

When Y equals 0.5% of 7794798739 or Y = P% * X we can calculate our global Wuhan Flu death rate like this...
Y = P% * X
Y = 0.5% * 7,794,798,739 (estimated global population)

Lets convert our percentage to a decimal and solve for "Y":
p = 0.5%/100 = 0.005

So, that means:
Y = 0.005 * 7794798739
Y = 38,973,993.695

I'll give you the .695 of a person since that much person is probably just an annoying 8-year old kid that wont stop running through your rose garden but we still have 38,973,993 whole people that might die from this deadly wildly uncontrollable horrific disease.


It doesnt matter that peer reviewed studies are showing increasingly common proof that the long-term consequences of wearing facemasks can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death.
Wearing a mask
...or wearing TWO masks for that matter - signals your virtue - it symbolizes that you care - most importantly it shows that you support the effort without question.

It's earth day for fuck sake - wear a mask and save the planet!!

[Old Dog New Trick]

Are we certain of the calculations that this number (38,973,993) represents the total number of people who will die or simply be infected with the virus?

I thought the death rate by singular cause of death was somewhat closer to 0.002% or 464,008.97 which is consistent with normal yearly unexplained deaths.

[Pete]

.........It's earth day for fuck sake - wear a mask and save the planet!!

And don't forget to fly your BLM flag out front of your home.

Virtue signalling for everything.

[Box]

Are we certain of the calculations that this number (38,973,993) represents the total number of people who will die or simply be infected with the virus?

I thought the death rate by singular cause of death was somewhat closer to 0.002% or 464,008.97 which is consistent with normal yearly unexplained deaths.


We can be internet friends and all that jazz - but I dont have to explain my numbers and my data calculations in a public forum. If Dr Fauci can make wild unsubstantiated statements then by golly, so can I. This is still a free country. The democrats haven't taken over everything in America
not yet at least

no further questions your honor

[PSM]

We're dropping like flies:

[Badger52]

We can be internet friends and all that jazz - but I dont have to explain my numbers and my data calculations in a public forum. If Dr Fauci can make wild unsubstantiated statements then by golly, so can I. This is still a free country. The democrats haven't taken over everything in America
not yet at least

no further questions your honorIt'll be ok. Don't take offense because there are probably some here who took some AP math courses in high-school which we all know, now thankfully, is racist. Questioning numbers, because statistics is one of those non-core disciplines, is also racist. In fact, all numbers are racist because "equal" doesn't mean equity.

My Dad didn't understand what a racist he was. Because of HS Trig the AAF made him a navigator instead of a pilot. Celestial nav over 1,000's of miles of ocean. 'Course, if you get it wrong you can get the Amelia Earhart experience. I understand there's a county in Virginia that's working on just that curriculum.

[bubba]

Mark Twaine:
“There are three kinds of lies; lies, damn lies, and statistics”

[Penn]

Unknowing, my first report in this thread presented the possibility that I may have had the virus or not, but either way it was an ass kicker.
Well, that ass kicker presented itself again an almost dx'ed this FOG.
I now know that the original post questioning whether or not I had it, was confirmed by its second visit. Make no mistake, it's a horrible fight, and I am now double convinced that Clartin D keep my lungs open and help me to survive.

My DNA has a predisposition for DVT. L/L full femoral artery bypass, R/L full stent, the length of the femoral artery, that has now clog with plaque, the stent was inserted 02/05/20. They conclude it as very unusual, nonetheless, schedule for surgery 04/28. I'm down 35 lbs, a good thing, but this virus cause blood clots, and that's now the second issue which we are dealing with.




This virus is mutating, the remedies do not seem to be working, and all my research leads me to believe that Big Pharma is running the FDA. J&J, PFE, Modern are being approved and they are not fully safe, but the FDA shuts down any firm that conflicts with their narrative.

Recently, looked again at INO, seems that right remedy for the virus, but has been closed out by the FDA and DoD, which funded the P! & P2 studies.
The question is why when it has proved 100% efficiency against the virus.
In my mind, they need to justify this disassociation, but there is no way to confront the big Pharm FDA alliance.

Be well all, and don't take any chances with this horrible virus.


Edit to add. The virus caused three fevers above 102. We used the old school recipe of an Irish hot toddy.
1/2cup of tea, lemon juice, whiskey.
Wrap in wool PJ’s and doubled wrapped in wool blankets, broke every episode by morning.

[cbtengr]

Penn you are in my thoughts and prayers as you deal with this. Best wishes!

[Old Dog New Trick]

Yep, sorry to hear but thankful you are speaking out about it. Get well soon and wishing you a complete and speedy recovery.

[Joker]

Penn, Prayers out.

[Badger52]

Prayers for you Penn and thank you for the candor of the post.
Also, nice that the old-school (since ever) fever kick regimen still works.

[RCummings]

Take care Penn. My thoughts and prayers for your health and recovery.

Respectfully,

Bob

[Swoop]

Penn, thank you for sharing with us, prayers out.

[Gypsy]

Penn, glad you are still kicking. Please take care, best wishes.

[sg1987]

Prayers lifted for you Penn.

[Old Dog New Trick]

More bad science but at least it’s good news. Now, how do you know and what’s the difference anyway?

CDC says you can go maskless outdoors in small groups even if you don’t know the other people around you. But only if you are fully vaccinated. Because fully vaccinated people won’t get as sick as fully unvaccinated people and that’s all we know for sure. The method of treatment or isolation is the same when you come down with signs and symptoms of Covid or none at all...just a positive test.

So how are you to tell...do these fully vaccinated people wear a scarlet letter? Produce some paper bought at the local Five & Dime or, do you just believe them ‘cause they say so?

So many questions not enough time.

So afraid of being wrong for so long now that the bureaucrats in Washington can only throw out chum in the water so poisonous and toxic from their own anti-scientific followings for over a year of being wrong on nearly everything associated with SARS-CoV-2. At least deaf people will understand a little more what’s going on around them - when outside.

[cbtengr]

Went to a Paneras Bakery this morning in the Socialist Republic of Johnson County Iowa. Was shocked to see that the "Masks Required" signs were gone. Governor Reynolds had lifted the mask mandate quite some time ago but there exists some Iowa law that allows for local governments to enact their own special rules. Johnson County leaders like to think of themselves as Little Madison (Wisconsin). Governor Reynolds has also turned down millions in special covid funding from the feds and as of June first will be ending the bonus unemployment payments. There is some sanity out there.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Today is a magnanimous day for all Americans…the Biden administration has declared by “God” the virus controls and mandatory enforcement of regulatory unethical practices and unenforceable laws to be scrapped by order of the head scientist in charge (HMFSIC) so in order to stop the rapid decline in stock market trading.

Caveat- But only if you “say” you have been fully vaccinated against the non-Chinese “Wuhan” Coronavirus.

[Badger52]

Governor Reynolds had lifted the mask mandate quite some time ago but there exists some Iowa law that allows for local governments to enact their own special rules. Johnson County leaders like to think of themselves as Little Madison (Wisconsin).Gotta ditch that pre-emption krap. That stuff'll get a feller kilt.
:cool:

[7624U]

Cats and Dogs are still not cleared for a mask free life outside.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Cats and Dogs are still not cleared for a mask free life outside.

They carry coronaviruses, always have always will. :cool:

[Box]

So - now that it isn't good for CDC to equate death with the COVID vaccine, people can once again die from a heart attack or some other non-COVID cause.

Unlike the past year when they have overtly counted pretty much any death of a person with a positive COVID as 'COVID related' to run the numbers up.


Ht by a truck?
Uhm... yes but they were COVID-19 positive

98 years old with seven different terminal diseases?
...yes, but they had COVID

Fell off a ladder...
...had COVID



credibility - its just a made up word in the dictionary between crazy and crooked

[1stindoor]

In the paper today was an article that went into great detail about the risk of people lying about whether they were vaccinated in order to avoid having to wear a mask. Imagine LYING in order to support your own narrative...where would anyone get an idea like that?

[Box]

In the paper today was an article that went into great detail about the risk of people lying about whether they were vaccinated in order to avoid having to wear a mask. Imagine LYING in order to support your own narrative...where would anyone get an idea like that?

You mean like Saint Fauci saying there was no threat
...there was a threat
...masks weren't necessary
...two weeks to flatten the curve
...masks are critical
...his associates dont support gain of function research'
...yes I'll speak at your function where they do gain of function research

Or the all time favorites from people like Clinton and Emmanuel:
...you need both a public and a private position on issues
...NEVER let a good crisis go to waste


It isn't "lying" when politicians do it - its just the strategic employment of selective pragmatism.

[Sohei]

You mean like Saint Fauci saying there was no threat
...there was a threat
...masks weren't necessary
...two weeks to flatten the curve
...masks are critical
...his associates dont support gain of function research'
...yes I'll speak at your function where they do gain of function research

Or the all time favorites from people like Clinton and Emmanuel:
...you need both a public and a private position on issues
...NEVER let a good crisis go to waste


It isn't "lying" when politicians do it - its just the strategic employment of selective pragmatism.

I take Sir Fauci at his word -- and you should too....

-- I believe that COVID is not only real, but it's one thousand million billion times worse than given credit for....

-- I wear seven masks at the same time because "more is better"....

-- I have had 12 vaccinations and am scheduled for three more because "more is better"...and I want all of them....

Long live Sir Fauci....

:D:p

[rsdengler]

In the paper today was an article that went into great detail about the risk of people lying about whether they were vaccinated in order to avoid having to wear a mask. Imagine LYING in order to support your own narrative...where would anyone get an idea like that?

Yeah, who would lie about that...Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge....I felt liberated this weekend, I went in a few places without the old mask it was awesome.

[1stindoor]

Yeah, who would lie about that...Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge....I felt liberated this weekend, I went in a few places without the old mask it was awesome.

I stopped by Walmart this morning on my way into the office. I would say it was a 50/50 split. That's including the workers.

[Costa]

Central FL is about the same in grocery stores now.

This weekend my wife and I were re-reading an excellent write up on the whole situation. I believe it was called "The Stanford Prison Experiment".

[glebo]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-covid-deaths-biden-mask-mandate

"Texas reported zero deaths from COVID-19 on Sunday, just two months after Gov. Greg Abbott drew heat from the White House for rolling back business restrictions and lifting the state's mask mandate."

Isn't it wonderful that when you can actually count a death as is and not count it as COVID related...the count goes to ZERO COVID related...hmmm, funny how that works... :eek:

[rsdengler]

I stopped by Walmart this morning on my way into the office. I would say it was a 50/50 split. That's including the workers.

We no longer have to wear a mask at my work, and I can now go in 5 days a week. But the County Executive is recommending telework a few days a week to save on electricity and gasoline. Lol, I need to get back into the groove. I've only been going in 2-3 days a week since this started.

I'll see how the grocery store is today when I go, they lifted the restrictions on Friday.

[EricV]

Interesting vid making the rounds. if true, we been played.

https://rumble.com/vgzvh1-tucker-carlson-interviews-dr.-peter-mccullough-on-covid-worldwide-conspirac.html

[Ret10Echo]

Shocked (??) :eek:

Intelligence on Sick Staff at Wuhan Lab Fuels Debate on Covid-19 Origin
Report says researchers went to hospital in November 2019, shortly before confirmed outbreak; adds to calls for probe of whether virus escaped lab

LINK HERE (https://fintechzoom.com/fintech_news_covid-19/covid-19-news-intelligence-on-sick-staff-at-wuhan-lab-fuels-debate-on-covid-19-origin/)

Although the level of "trust" on any "news" coming out of the Chinese People's Republic must be called into question.


Perhaps simply coincidence?

Surprising that the crack team from the WHO did not uncover this.... (Sorry this last statement is intended as sarcasm but I am currently unsure of what font color to use... :D )

[Box]

Interesting vid making the rounds. if true, we been played.

https://rumble.com/vgzvh1-tucker-carlson-interviews-dr.-peter-mccullough-on-covid-worldwide-conspirac.html


Bro - Americans have been getting played by career politicians for generations.
No end in sight.

[rsdengler]

Bro - Americans have been getting played by career politicians for generations.
No end in sight.

You don't say? In the end, we are just the remnants of a chewed up dog toy. ;)

[TOMAHAWK9521]

And now for something completely different: :eek:

https://www.disclose.tv/t/all-vaccinated-people-will-die-within-2-years-nobel-laureate-luc-montagnier/32675

Geez! First, we’re all going to die by the millions before this super plague levels off. Then, it’s we’re all going to die unless we get the shots. Now, it’s everyone who got the shot may die in 2 years. Even if this latest claim isn’t even remotely plausible or possible, imagine the mobs of Faucists who will go all Heaven’s Gate when they hear this.

[Sohei]

No one will know the validity of any of his claims until the two-year-mark comes and goes, but one thing is for sure...the government as a whole -- at every level -- is doing their very best to get as many people vaccinated as possible.

Who knows...maybe they are trying to get to the "Georgia Guidestones" level of humanity...who knows anymore.

[Badger52]

Who knows...maybe they are trying to get to the "Georgia Guidestones" level of humanity...who knows anymore.

Heh. We might be watching a Tom Clancy screenplay idea work itself out before our eyes. We'll see. I will drive on, since I don't wallow very well.

[Sohei]

Heh. We might be watching a Tom Clancy screenplay idea work itself out before our eyes. We'll see. I will drive on, since I don't wallow very well.

Yep...I am a heretic and nonconformist to the new religion that is Covidism. Simply another way for the establishment to create an even wider gap between people than what already exist politically.

[GratefulCitizen]

Heh. We might be watching a Tom Clancy screenplay idea work itself out before our eyes. We'll see. I will drive on, since I don't wallow very well.

The plot of Rainbow Six was in my head from the beginning of this pandemic.
I’m sure Alex Jones has been pushing this story line, though he’d probably complicate it by saying the vaccine was part of a binary weapon.

My instinct is to follow the money.
Lots of money going to pharmaceutical companies who have blanket liability protection.

Make a profit with a rapidly produced new technology, don’t have to pay out if disaster follows.

[Badger52]

The plot of Rainbow Six was in my head from the beginning of this pandemic.
I’m sure Alex Jones has been pushing this story line, though he’d probably complicate it by saying the vaccine was part of a binary weapon.

My instinct is to follow the money.
Lots of money going to pharmaceutical companies who have blanket liability protection.

Make a profit with a rapidly produced new technology, don’t have to pay out if disaster follows.Ditto on the plot line, lol. The $$ flow has been a consideration since I did some reading about the (double?) dealings of Fauci & his alleged history screwing people involved in the HIV programs back in the day. That reading was back when the general messaging was less aggressive & it was a polite "give us 2 weeks to flatten the curve." These virologists seem to have pretty thin-skins when a colleague pokes them in the money belt.

[Ret10Echo]

G-C... Alex Jones has a really creepy way of being right about a lot of things ;)

Along those lines, as of the departure of Evil Orange Man "suddenly" the Wuhan lab-created source discussion has come back up and the shills in the media are not calling it crazy speak.

What is the next great distraction?

[Old Dog New Trick]

What is the next great distraction?

I hope it’s not as big as TWA flight 800!

But UFOs seem to be in the news a lot lately.

[Box]

I'm gonna say it again - and I said it somewhere a few years ago - we could have space aliens landing on the white house lawn and folks will deny it.

Now what the fuck is being tossed around?
UFO's
99% survivable viruses
A Black president reminding us that the system is racist
A government that has spent a generation telling us that 'big pharm' was corrupt and couldn't be trusted is now trying to FORCE people to get a yet to be approved vaccine while giving 'big pharm' legal immunity
A political party that hates rich old establishment white men that puts a rich old establishment white man in the oval office


I was NOT crazy in the 1990's and Chinese lab bats caused the Wuhan Flu.





...oh, - also - Jeffery Epstein didn't hang himself and corrupt government officials conspired with the media to cover up the Panama papers scandal

[Old Dog New Trick]

And to think I was going to add the FBI got their man for blowing up a bomb at the Centennial Park (aka 1996 Atlanta Olympics) that only killed one person.


His name was R!chard J3w3ll…oh wait!



What bill got passed in the wake of both events?

[rsdengler]

We live in a 1950's Sci-Fi Movie.....Aliens, mass hysteria and weird experimental medicine...it's all a plan....I was wondering about the effects of the vaccine on people in the year's to come. I don't think the scientists actually know the true side effects of whatever is in the vaccine from what I've been reading. I just don't trust those Pharmaceutical companies when it concerns "experimental vaccines" without a lot of testing. It's all about money and the monopoly of who wants to be the golden child of Government programs.

[Flagg]

We live in a 1950's Sci-Fi Movie.....Aliens, mass hysteria and weird experimental medicine...it's all a plan....I was wondering about the effects of the vaccine on people in the year's to come. I don't think the scientists actually know the true side effects of whatever is in the vaccine from what I've been reading. I just don't trust those Pharmaceutical companies when it concerns "experimental vaccines" without a lot of testing. It's all about money and the monopoly of who wants to be the golden child of Government programs.

Twilight Zone “Monsters on Maple Street”
Written by US Army Airborne vet Rod Serling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monsters_Are_Due_on_Maple_Street

Unbelievably prescient.

We seem to have forgotten(90’s) and been easily distracted(00’s-10’s) from these fundamental lessons delivered in the form of entertainment.

[tonyz]

Maple Street...hell, the monsters are already on Pennsylvania Avenue.

The current Twilight Zone is located at the House Office Building.

[Flagg]

And now for something completely different: :eek:

https://www.disclose.tv/t/all-vaccinated-people-will-die-within-2-years-nobel-laureate-luc-montagnier/32675

Geez! First, we’re all going to die by the millions before this super plague levels off. Then, it’s we’re all going to die unless we get the shots. Now, it’s everyone who got the shot may die in 2 years. Even if this latest claim isn’t even remotely plausible or possible, imagine the mobs of Faucists who will go all Heaven’s Gate when they hear this.

Yikes!

I’m of two minds about this:

1) Nobel Prize recipient Dr Luc Montagnier has had a lot of professional success, but also a lot of controversy about his research and methodology over time.

If the criticism of Dr Montagnier was only very recent that would be a huge red flag against his critics, but criticism has followed him for well over a decade.

2) Kubler-Ross

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

History has proven that validation often only happens after the originator of a theory has been tarred, feathered, and thrown in the furnace.

——-
It is absolutely maddening to see so many people conveniently walking back their demonisation of anyone who suggested investigation into a lab leak as the point of origin, until we had a new administration.

It is a truly literal example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Badger52]

The current Twilight Zone is located at the House Office Building.Fort Pelosi needs to make our BRAC list.

[1stindoor]

Twilight Zone “Monsters on Maple Street”
Written by US Army Airborne vet Rod Serling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monsters_Are_Due_on_Maple_Street

Unbelievably prescient.

We seem to have forgotten(90’s) and been easily distracted(00’s-10’s) from these fundamental lessons delivered in the form of entertainment.
The closing narration was spot on,
" The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices...to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill...and suspicion can destroy...and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own—for the children and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.:

[rsdengler]

The closing narration was spot on,
" The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices...to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill...and suspicion can destroy...and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own—for the children and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.:

Oh boy, yep seems to ring true doesn't it?

[Box]

The Twilight Zone ain't got shit on Washington DC.


I watched the Twilgiht Zone a lot when I was a kid. y grandmother was an absolute nut about westerns and what my aunt called "mom and her monster movies" - Twilight Zone was one of her 'monster movies' and damn if it isn't one of those shows that seems to have been written by a time traveler.

[Old Dog New Trick]

The Twilight Zone ain't got shit on Washington DC.

We have a Twilight Zone in middle America.
A Green Zone in Baghdad Iraq.
A Red Line in Syria.
And a “Militarized Zone” in Washington DC.

What do they call the Zone around the Wuhan Virology Lab in Wuhan China?

[Box]

What do they call the Zone around the Wuhan Virology Lab in Wuhan China?

It's a safe zone because that is certainly NOT where the chinese bat flu originated...

[TOMAHAWK9521]

The closing narration was spot on,
" The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices...to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill...and suspicion can destroy...and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own—for the children and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.:

Another POV on this phenomenon. It may not be remotely-controlled house lights to spook the neighborhood as depicted in that episode but the desired effect is comparable.: https://theamericansun.com/2021/05/25/shock-doctrine-comes-home/

[7624U]

We have a Twilight Zone in middle America.
A Green Zone in Baghdad Iraq.
A Red Line in Syria.
And a “Militarized Zone” in Washington DC.

What do they call the Zone around the Wuhan Virology Lab in Wuhan China?

Ground Zero

[Old Dog New Trick]

Ground Zero

BZ

I was thinking the Zone (Cone) of Silence, from Get Smart “Tale of Two Tails.”

Xi Jing Ping (Control) and Dr’s Tedros and Fauci (Kaos)

Maxwell Smart is Tom Cotton.

[Old Dog New Trick]

The administration is hot on the trail of answering one of only two questions.

"I have now asked the Intelligence Community to redouble their efforts to collect and analyze information that could bring us closer to a definitive conclusion, and to report back to me in 90 days," Biden said.

My question is why 90 days?

What happens in more or less than 90 days?

ETA: The reason why I ask is it’s been 423 days since we first found out about this and during that time the Democrats haven’t been the least bit interested in finding out anything about the origins of the virus; only to deflect and distract from any investigation conducted by the previous administration. I highly doubt the Biden administration is going to ask any tough questions of the Chinese government or use the kind of diplomatic force the EU is currently applying to Belarus for simply staging an aircraft high-jacking to arrest four dissidents the Russian government happens to not like.

Something already tells me the coverup for the act of war perpetrated by the CCP against the world will go unpunished by everyone who has already been told not to fuck with the new emperor and the Ping dynasty.

[Box]

World leaders seem to be lining up to surrender...

[Ret10Echo]

The administration is hot on the trail of answering one of only two questions.

"I have now asked the Intelligence Community to redouble their efforts to collect and analyze information that could bring us closer to a definitive conclusion, and to report back to me in 90 days," Biden said.

My question is why 90 days?

What happens in more or less than 90 days?

ETA: The reason why I ask is it’s been 423 days since we first found out about this and during that time the Democrats haven’t been the least bit interested in finding out anything about the origins of the virus; only to deflect and distract from any investigation conducted by the previous administration. I highly doubt the Biden administration is going to ask any tough questions of the Chinese government or use the kind of diplomatic force the EU is currently applying to Belarus for simply staging an aircraft high-jacking to arrest four dissidents the Russian government happens to not like.

Something already tells me the coverup for the act of war perpetrated by the CCP against the world will go unpunished by everyone who has already been told not to fuck with the new emperor and the Ping dynasty.


Bad Orange Man gone


90 probably "felt right". 180 was too long and 120 interfered with the new school year.

Can't do 30 or 60... Because.

Yeah, 90 and Joe wants to be 90.

[The Reaper]

We have a Twilight Zone in middle America.
A Green Zone in Baghdad Iraq.
A Red Line in Syria.
And a “Militarized Zone” in Washington DC.

What do they call the Zone around the Wuhan Virology Lab in Wuhan China?

The Hot Zone.

TR

[Old Dog New Trick]

The Hot Zone.

TR

I think Sudan gets that title for Ebola and the title of the book that made me realize being a medic was f-ing dangerous.

If you see someone in a febrile seizure with blood leaking out of every orifice…RUN!

[1stindoor]

Another POV on this phenomenon. It may not be remotely-controlled house lights to spook the neighborhood as depicted in that episode but the desired effect is comparable.: https://theamericansun.com/2021/05/25/shock-doctrine-comes-home/

Nice add. Thanks. I'll be forwarding it too.

[Old Dog New Trick]

This from the very liberal “Guardian News” and a super libtard Thomas Frank:

https://apple.news/AdfOvC_unSkWMbHDQTPGJxA

It’s really amazing someone can write this with a straight face and then “hope” at the end he is wrong!

He is correct in one thing…if this ever turns out to be verified as a lab leak of human experiments gone wrong…China, the scientists responsible and supporting actors (Fauci) and others who have appeared on CNN/MSNBC etc…and MSM news…will all be running for their lives. The Democratic Party will be declared dead and arrests will follow - the science.

[Box]

He is correct in one thing…if this ever turns out to be verified as a lab leak of human experiments gone wrong…China, the scientists responsible and supporting actors (Fauci) and others who have appeared on CNN/MSNBC etc…and MSM news…will all be running for their lives. The Democratic Party will be declared dead and arrests will follow - the science.

I wish I had your optimism. Sadly, it weighs on my heart that you would more likely see president Trump behind bars for eating his steak with ketchup before even the most vile of the democratic conspirators that dragged us down this road were so much as slapped upon the hand for their transgressions...

[Ret10Echo]

I wish I had your optimism. Sadly, it weighs on my heart that you would more likely see president Trump behind bars for eating his steak with ketchup before even the most vile of the democratic conspirators that dragged us down this road were so much as slapped upon the hand for their transgressions...

Amerikan businesses will be squeezed by their "friends" of the CCP.

No slave labor to snap-togehter iPhones
No slave labor to sew Abercrombie tags into t-shirts
No rare earth minerals to build Tesla batteries
No rare earth minerals to build (toxic) green energy generation


Nothing to see here

[Box]

No rare earth minerals to build Tesla batteries
No rare earth minerals to build (toxic) green energy generation

That speaks volumes for how globally uninformed the green energy movement really is.
...follow the science follow the science follow the science. Unless the science contradicts your agenda.

Dont like petrol burning engines because it exploits all the dead dinosaurs...
...no problem, expensive Tesla's for everyone. To power them, we'll strip mine the coutry side for rare earth minerals while making the coal fired power plants work overtime to produce the electricity we use to charge those batteries.
...or we can use the Nukes to charge our batteries - we all know how much the tree huggers love nukes.

trust the science - get rid of oil - its killing the planet
trust the science - wear a mask - save grandma
trust the science - got the shot - save yourself
trust the science - there are infinite genders....
...ok, this is one I'm actually on board with now that I've declared "Box" as my own gender identity

pay no attention to whats going on over here - we are busy polluting the environment with waste products from all the dead batteries

wear two masks - one didn't flatten the curve - two wont either, but even Saint Fauci (the guy that lied about masks this time last year) has now said the mask is as much a symbol as it is a barrier

get the shot - its 64% effective at keeping you from getting a flu that came from a lab in China...
...a 64% efficient shot that reduces the symptoms of a disease thats 99.9% survivable without any medical intervention (doesn't cure it or prevent it - it just reduces the symptoms)

Trust the science


edited to add - before he joined the Army, my son worked for a company that built solar farms' for power generation. wanna hear the funniest fucking shit ever about using solar power to "save the planet" - solar companies have been known to cut down a few trees every now and often to make room for installing panel farms
thats right folks, save a solar farm, kill a tree
hash tag trust the fucking science you evil right wing nut jobs


covid is my bitch, masks dont work, joe didnt really win, epstein didnt kill himself, the moon landing was fake, the earth is flat, and the clintons arent corrupt

[tom kelly]

There is a new name for Genetic Engineering of a BIO-WEAPON it's called "Gain a Function Research" The Naval Engineering Level IV lab is now called the Wuhan Institute of Virology it is in the same place and has the same Bio-Weapons expert Dr. Chen Wi also a Lt. General in the CCP's Army as the Lab Director. Gain a Function Research has the support of the WHO and NIH and Dr. Fauci. This is my opinion, and the reasons for it I will post in another Thread. The world-wide spread of the virus is another story, was it accidental or was it released with a specific agenda more "Gain of Function Research" ? Directed and Controlled by the CCP. Look at the winners and losers, follow the money and POWER for World Domination.

[Paslode]

Which science and messenger should be trusted?

“We made a big mistake. We didn’t realize it until now,” said Byram Bridle, a viral immunologist and associate professor at University of Guelph, Ontario, in an interview with Alex Pierson last Thursday, in which he warned listeners that his message was “scary.”

“We thought the spike protein was a great target antigen, we never knew the spike protein itself was a toxin and was a pathogenic protein. So by vaccinating people we are inadvertently inoculating them with a toxin,” Bridle said on the show, which is not easily found in a Google search but went viral on the internet this weekend.



https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin

[Ret10Echo]

I'm just eagerly anticipating the release of High lord Fauci's book in November...

[Badger52]

I'm just eagerly anticipating the release of High lord Fauci's book in November...Karma is not like a Samurai, to openly meet you on the field in battle. It is a ninja-like slithering thing in the shadows, which is why the Samurai holds it in low regard. Fauci may not be interested in karma, but it is interested in him.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Which science and messenger should be trusted?



https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin

Interesting read. (Although I believe the source LSN is highly biased, so did we think that most tabloids only wrote lies and sensational stories, turns out they spoke the truth very often.)

I am very interested in what studies will be written about birth defects, still borne, and first, second and third trimester spontaneous abortions from complications and of course infertility rates.

There just isn’t enough information to make reasonable choices about these mRNA vaccines.

And why is the government and now woke businesses forcing this on a population that has a 99.9% symptom free and complication free disease. WHY did the OSHA just suspend reporting requirements for adverse reactions from employees receiving the vaccine for the next 12-months? To me this and everything the CDC is doing is suspicious!

[Quartz_MJC]

The Lab Leak hypothesis is gaining more ground. Actually, it is being uncensored as it was proposed early on but buried. However, what is still being ignored is the medical response to COVID-19. The emphasis has been on Vaccination. The following YouTube video " COVID, Ivermectin, and the Crime of the Century: DarkHorse Podcast with Pierre Kory & Bret Weinstein" discusses the use of Ivermectin and cortical steroids as a very effective treatment which was known 8-10 months ago. Do the research on Dr. Pierre Kory he is a top clinician.

Note: The video is 2.5 hours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Tn_b4NRTB6k&t=3938s

[rsdengler]

I'm just eagerly anticipating the release of High lord Fauci's book in November...

Yep, can't wait to burn that one......:D

[Ret10Echo]

The Lab Leak hypothesis is gaining more ground. Actually, it is being uncensored as it was proposed early on but buried. However, what is still being ignored is the medical response to COVID-19. The emphasis has been on Vaccination. The following YouTube video " COVID, Ivermectin, and the Crime of the Century: DarkHorse Podcast with Pierre Kory & Bret Weinstein" discusses the use of Ivermectin and cortical steroids as a very effective treatment which was known 8-10 months ago. Do the research on Dr. Pierre Kory he is a top clinician.

Note: The video is 2.5 hours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Tn_b4NRTB6k&t=3938s


Thanks for the link. Love the long format pods and Brett is an interesting guy.

Note to others. Brett Weinstein has a very interesting history and I would classify him as a "classic liberal" (as everyone seems to want a label).

[Box]

I love how the lab leak conspiracy has aged. Used to be a time when the social media overlords restricted the ability to post on any accusations that the fine people from the PRC might have released an apocalyptic plague against mankind.
...but now its ok. I wonder how long it will be before the election results get revisited.


Lets approach it this way - our government has made such a fucking mockery out of our nations well-being during the plandemic that people really just dont seem to give a shit anymore. They have so mismanaged her resources, so poorly defended her honor, and so irresponsibly tended her health and welfare that when the Pentagon came out recently and said, "Yes, UFO's are a thing - we don't know where they come from and we aren't sure what to do about them"
...nobody batted an eye, nobody panicked, nobody started hoarding Purell, gasoline, ground-beef, or shit tickets. We just went about our business, waiting for the next MCU trailer to drop.

When you look at our options and alternatives - why would we. What would an alien race do to us that our own countrymen aren't already hard at work doing to us on their own?

[sfshooter]

I'm just eagerly anticipating the release of High lord Fauci's book in November...

You might have to wait a bit for Lord Fauci's written words. Seems the publisher is having some second thoughts:

http://https://redstate.com/bradslager/2021/06/02/and-just-like-that-dr-faucis-book-has-been-pulled-from-presales-n390371

[Badger52]

You might have to wait a bit for Lord Fauci's written words. Seems the publisher is having some second thoughts:

http://https://redstate.com/bradslager/2021/06/02/and-just-like-that-dr-faucis-book-has-been-pulled-from-presales-n390371

Redstate moved the link around to the article. (not counting the redundant 'http')

Try this one. (https://redstate.com/bradslager/2021/06/02/and-just-like-that-dr-faucis-book-has-been-pulled-from-presales-n390371)
:)

[Box]

In a fair and just world, doctor Fauci will overtake Ephialtes of Trachis as the iconic name for a treacherous Nation-Traitor.

Saint Fauci should live forever in the minds of not only Americans, but the minds of the 3.5 million families around the world that lost family members because of Fauci-funded gain-of-function research gone wrong.

May his LEGIONS of loyal followers live the rest of their lives in fear of the everlasting possible fate that awaits them at the hands of Faucis traitorous greed now that the Rubicon of gain-of-funding research BY our enemies, FUNDED by Ephialtes of Fauci-ville has been crossed.

May their creator bestow upon them ALL that they are due.

[Trapper John]

Box, are you writing Tucker Carson's material? Or have you assumed his identity? After watching his/your show last night it occurred to me that its gotta be one or the other. :eek: Inquiring minds want to know! :D

[Old Dog New Trick]

I’m going to ask this question again…anyone heard from Mugwumps? (Or have personal off-line conversations with him?)

I’m just curious.

[7624U]

In a fair and just world, doctor Fauci will overtake Ephialtes of Trachis as the iconic name for a treacherous Nation-Traitor.

Saint Fauci should live forever in the minds of not only Americans, but the minds of the 3.5 million families around the world that lost family members because of Fauci-funded gain-of-function research gone wrong.


Gain of function was going on in 2017 here is the main research from the lab in china on the bird flu N9N2 and how they manipulated it to be more viral with the M Gene
it talks about H1N1.

After manipulation this virus has the same symptoms as Cov-19, it also took on a more spherical shape 96% instead of strands of the normal N9N2 after gene splicing the M gene into it. (surprise surprise) 2 in 3 chickens with the new strain did not recover.
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.02055-16

this paper also has a link to this in a study

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/virus/vssi/#/virus?VirusLineage_ss=Severe%20acute%20respiratory %20syndrome%20coronavirus%202,%20taxid:2697049&SeqType_s=Nucleotide
Genome 2018

Then finally this https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32015508/
They knew in December 2019.

Long read but it will piss you off the more you read....

[Old Dog New Trick]

Long read but it will piss you off the more you read....

I will need more beer then. I’m so pissed off from this to begin with.

[Badger52]

I will need more beer then. I’m so pissed off from this to begin with.

Hey, Fauci. Sarah Connor wants a word...

[Joker]

I’m going to ask this question again…anyone heard from Mugwumps? (Or have personal off-line conversations with him?)

I’m just curious.

I just sent him an e-mail. I'll let you know.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Gain of function was going on in 2017 here is the main research from the lab in china on the bird flu N9N2 and how they manipulated it to be more viral with the M Gene
it talks about H1N1.

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.02055-16

this paper also has a link to this in a study
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/virus/vssi/#/virus?VirusLineage_ss=Severe%20acute%20respiratory %20syndrome%20coronavirus%202,%20taxid:2697049&SeqType_s=Nucleotide

After manipulation this virus has the same symptoms as Cov-19, it also took on a more spherical shape 96% instead of strands of the normal N9N2 after gene splicing the M gene into it. (surprise surprise) 1 in 3 chickens with the new strain died.

Long read but it will piss you off the more you read....

Okay medics…you really do have to read this. While it’s heavy on scientific findings and nomenclature, it makes clear the research going on way back before the current time machine, and by one country that doesn’t have the same level of ethical controls and reporting as say another one. It seems there is an awful lot of research going on between 2009 and 2013 (2015) that would suggest they were on to something yet un-realized for its potential to cause untold effects.

It also seems from reading this that mRNA research is anything but new and they (big pharma) have only been waiting for a cause to unleash it.

Just the findings and opinion of a stupid student of medicine who still believes in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause. Because if we can’t believe in miracles than we don’t have much to believe in.

ETA: two additional thoughts - always strive for above and beyond and always stay humble and kind.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I just sent him an e-mail. I'll let you know.

Thumbs up. Just hoping he’s okay and still kicking.

[sfshooter]

Redstate moved the link around to the article. (not counting the redundant 'http')

Try this one. (https://redstate.com/bradslager/2021/06/02/and-just-like-that-dr-faucis-book-has-been-pulled-from-presales-n390371)
:)

Thanks for the fix. My interweb skills aren't that great at times:o. Or maybe it could be I just get ticked off over reading about the scum that continue to destroy our society.
The sad part about things that are coming to light is no one will ever be held accountable.:mad:

[7624U]

It also seems from reading this that mRNA research is anything but new and they (big pharma) have only been waiting for a cause to unleash it.
[/COLOR]

You mean pfizer lol

http://www.pfizer.com.cn/(S(2pit0rntcukssb55ugshmm45))/research/about_china_rd_center_en.aspx guess where they have a Lab !

https://www.breakthroughs.com/advancing-medical-research/racing-develop-potential-covid-19-vaccine-unprecedented-partnership Yea right your own RND team in China already had the DNA of the Virus in 2018 the time you partnered with BioNtech.

mRNA was around in 2011 according to BioNtech and is not for anyone under 16 years old.
https://biontech.de/covid-19-portal/project-lightspeed

Pfizer Bought the rights to this vaccine for 700 million from bioNtech. Mass produced it and sold it for 1.9 Billion to the US. and now shares are up all around for everyone for billions more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacomotognini/2020/11/09/three-billionaires-behind-pfizers-vaccine-partner-biontech-are-2-billion-richer-after-it-announces-covid-19-vaccine-results/?sh=f82942d47843

[Badger52]

Thanks for the fix. My interweb skills aren't that great at times:o.No sweat, happens all the time when a website moves a link. Someone in a cubicle then says "Oh, that. That's so 12 hours ago" and moves it to a permanent archive location.

[7624U]

Fyi the Chinese bats never had this type of influenza but the bats from South America did and they started to study them in the lab in 2013
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24130481/

Look at bottom who funded study
https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1003657

[Ret10Echo]

Fyi the Chinese bats never had influenza but the bats from South America did and they started to study them in the lab in 2013
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24130481/

Look at bottom who funded study
https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1003657

It was brought up early on in 2020 that NIH was routing funding to the lab for such experiments but it didn't fit the narrative...therefore no follow-up.


Politicize everything....

[rsdengler]

I feel we are now the "lab rats" in a large scale. It's just spooky....

[7624U]

I feel we are now the "lab rats" in a large scale. It's just spooky....

Well if you must know whats on the agenda rsdengler here are a few highlights from 2020-2021 so far what could go wrong ?

They Sequenced the entire Human Genome:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a36608009/scientists-say-they-sequenced-entire-human-genome/

Engineered a new Synthetic Bacteria:
https://academictimes.com/new-synthetic-bacteria-could-be-a-paradigm-shift-for-biotechnology/

DARPA funds implantable Biochip that can detect Covid-19 and change Human DNA:
https://www.mintpressnews.com/darpa-covid-19-vaccine-implant-mrna/271287/

Lab creates monkey-human chimeras:
https://nypost.com/2021/04/16/scientist-create-controversial-human-monkey-hybrid-embryo/

Human Pig Organ Farming:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/11/01/132110/meet-the-pigs-that-could-solve-the-human-organ-transplant-crises/

[Badger52]

Well if you must know whats on the agenda...Tha- ahem, thanks. When I see stuff like that I'm moved to remember something profound that CSB said some time ago:
"Can't we just shoot them?"

[Ret10Echo]

I feel we are now the "lab rats" in a large scale. It's just spooky....


Meeting electro-mechanical elves with self-dribbling basketballs that are bejeweled like Faberge Eggs and being handed reams of completely unintelligible knowledge


That's spooky


This is manipulation

[Joker]

I’m going to ask this question again…anyone heard from Mugwumps? (Or have personal off-line conversations with him?)

I’m just curious.

I just heard back from him, all is well.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I just heard back from him, all is well.

Good to hear, thanks.

[Paslode]

A question regarding WuFlu and the US involvement that appears to becoming to light.

I am trying to grasp why the USG would partner with China in making a potential bio-weapon. If the reports are even mildly true, it would seem this partnership would be a grave risk for our national security.

So the question is why would the USG partner with the Chinese in making a potential bio-weapon? Why not do it within US borders using US resources?

[7624U]

A question regarding WuFlu and the US involvement that appears to becoming to light.

I am trying to grasp why the USG would partner with China in making a potential bio-weapon. If the reports are even mildly true, it would seem this partnership would be a grave risk for our national security.

So the question is why would the USG partner with the Chinese in making a potential bio-weapon? Why not do it within US borders using US resources?

In all the papers I have read and the emails along with other studies from the big Pharma manufactures, This is not a case of making bio-weapons it is a case of human error while messing with virus genes over the years and not taking enough safety protocols aka Arrogance on behalf of the lab.

FYI the USG has been funding this for years hoping to stem any new outbreaks around the world and at home. This happens in many other countries not just China.

Again when this mistake happened humans being human tried to cover their ass and control the narrative because of the lives lost. A few will resign or get fired but business will continue.

You have to remember from history when some scientist's said it might be bad to detonate a thermal nuclear bomb in earths atmosphere, We still did it along with a few thousand more between us and the Russians.

[Ret10Echo]

In all the papers I have read and the emails along with other studies from the big Pharma manufactures, This is not a case of making bio-weapons it is a case of human error while messing with virus genes over the years and not taking enough safety protocols aka Arrogance on behalf of the lab.

FYI the USG has been funding this for years hoping to stem any new outbreaks around the world and at home. This happens in many other countries not just China.

Again when this mistake happened humans being human tried to cover their ass and control the narrative because of the lives lost. A few will resign or get fired but business will continue.

You have to remember from history when some scientist's said it might be bad to detonate a thermal nuclear bomb in earths atmosphere, We still did it along with a few thousand more between us and the Russians.


It is my opinion that the lab should never have been in a position to make a "mistake".

Gain-of-function studies seem to be the product of human arrogance not valued research unless you seek to weaponize the virus.

Humanity's end will not come in a ball of fire. It will come from a wisp of vapor......

The lessons of Shelly's Frankenstein need to be relearned. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

[7624U]

Humanity's end will not come in a ball of fire. It will come from a wisp of vapor......


Gamma Burst or Vapor to end life as we know it. :munchin choices choices

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Could-Gamma-Ray-Bursts-Give-Us-Unlimited-Energy.html

[Trapper John]

Originally posted by Ret10 Echo

The lessons of Shelly's Frankenstein need to be relearned. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Finest Kind :lifter

[rsdengler]

Well if you must know whats on the agenda rsdengler here are a few highlights from 2020-2021 so far what could go wrong ?

They Sequenced the entire Human Genome:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a36608009/scientists-say-they-sequenced-entire-human-genome/

Engineered a new Synthetic Bacteria:
https://academictimes.com/new-synthetic-bacteria-could-be-a-paradigm-shift-for-biotechnology/

DARPA funds implantable Biochip that can detect Covid-19 and change Human DNA:
https://www.mintpressnews.com/darpa-covid-19-vaccine-implant-mrna/271287/

Lab creates monkey-human chimeras:
https://nypost.com/2021/04/16/scientist-create-controversial-human-monkey-hybrid-embryo/

Human Pig Organ Farming:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/11/01/132110/meet-the-pigs-that-could-solve-the-human-organ-transplant-crises/


I wish they would just leave it alone, Nature is Nature and we are on this planet for a reason. Not to be cloned, not to try to create a "new human or animal " they need to take a step back and stop trying to be Dr. Frankenstein and create monsters they cannot control. We live in a truly messed up World....

[rsdengler]

Meeting electro-mechanical elves with self-dribbling basketballs that are bejeweled like Faberge Eggs and being handed reams of completely unintelligible knowledge


That's spooky


This is manipulation

Absolutely agree.....

[Box]

Hubris could easily be the name of a major political party in the 21st century.

"I'm a libertarian"
"I'm a conservative"
"I'm a liberal democrat"
"I a moderate conservative"
"I'm a tea party republican"

"I'm smarter than all you mother fuckers - and I'm the incumbent"

[7624U]

"I'm smarter than all you mother fuckers - and I'm the incumbent"[/I]

Incumbent another word for will bend over for the right price :p

[rsdengler]

Incumbent another word for will bend over for the right price :p

Here's my $2 Dollars, get it done....:o

[Box]

Here's my $2 Dollars, get it done....:o

Are you saying that the same 'Two Bucks' that I spend on a bottle of Charles Shaw Cabernet from Trader-Joes could be spent getting something done by the officials in Traitor Joes administration?


I'm confused. What are you saying?

[rsdengler]

If you have Cartel size stacks, yes......

[Badger52]

For the nerdly curious, this link for a tool comes from a very good friend.

Vaccination tracker (https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com/covid-19-vaccine-tracker/north-dakota/38/), drill down to county level if you wish in your state. Source data is pulled from the "You Had One.Job" CDC.

Couple tips for use. Inside the map you can drag it around like you would a Gulag map. Mouse scrolls will zoom in/out also.
Click on state and summary info will pop up. At the BOTTOM of that pop-up is a 'More' tab, click that to get the state to split itself into counties and then you can drill down from there. (If you don't see the little 'More' tab at the bottom of the state popup zoom into the state more before you do that, and that popup will get larger as well.)

I suspect, but do not know, that we have in a great many areas reached a plateau in willing vaccinations. This may be related to the demonized "gun-clinging bible thumping deplorable vaccine hesitant population" having firmed up its resolve and/or the overall Blue Whale-shit level of overall trust in da Gubmint for at least Eleven-Teen reasons.

:munchin

[Badger52]

It would appear that the PCR test is being relegated to the dustbin of history due to - wait for it.... inability to distinguish between SARS-COV-2 and... Influenza.

Just in case some have asked over the last 18 months "where did all the little influenzas go?"

One article here. (https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/07/cdc-quietly-revokes-rt-pcr-emergency-use-authorization-because-they-counted-covid-19-and-influenza-together)
Here’s a punch in the gut for a nation that’s already hurting. As it turns out, the so-called “gold standard” testing referenced by so many “doctors” like Anthony Fauci, as well as government officials across the board, has had its Emergency Use Authorization revoked.

The CDC announced, albeit quietly, on Wednesday that the RT-PCR tests used to tell millions of Americans they’re infected with Covid-19 has been unable to accurately differentiate between the various coronaviruses. Of particular note is the inability of these tests to know whether someone is infected with Covid-19 or influenza.

Are you freaking kidding me? https://t.co/exEqkFxl4w

— Steve Deace (@SteveDeaceShow) July 25, 2021

To be clear, this is not a new development. These assays have been known for years to be unable to distinguish between the different types of coronaviruses, but they ran with it anyway. According to the CDC website (https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html) [emphasis added]:

After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only. CDC is providing this advance notice for clinical laboratories to have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives.

…

In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season. Laboratories and testing sites should validate and verify their selected assay within their facility before beginning clinical testing.

As bureaucrats are wont to do, they give just enough information for their target audience to take action while omitting any details that explain the root cause. In this case, there are two reasons for this move. The first is very straight-forward. They’re switching fearmongering tactics.

The RT-PCR assays could detect the presence of a coronavirus from a swab in real-time, making it a good indicator of the potential for Covid-19 infection. In a sane world that wasn’t driven by a nefarious agenda, positive results on the RT-PCR tests would have been treated as indicators that someone needed to get a real test, like an antigen test, to determine if they were infected. But this isn’t a sane world and the powers-that-be saw an opportunity to bump up numbers to drive panic. They ran with it, and revoking the EUA means they’re done with that particular type of fearmongering. The RT-PCR assays served their purpose.

The other reason for this move is very concerning. This shift and its timing both indicate the powers-that-be are anticipating a need to differentiate between the various coronaviruses. If it really is the need to differentiate Covid-19 and influenza as they’re claiming, then that jibes with the sudden push to maximize or even mandate flu vaccines within months. If that’s the scenario they have planned, expect a sudden surge in flu cases after a year where they “miraculously” disappeared thanks to RT-PCR tests claiming everything was Covid-19.

Remain calm and, as good little Boxen will tell you, always secure YOUR mask before assisting others.
This is my shocked face.
:rolleyes:

[7624U]

It was all to pave the way for a universal Influenza shot now they have the data they needed with all the human test subjects.

NIAID had a think tank session back in 2017 here is the results from that meeting and the overall plan in 2018.

I would post the full text but it is long here is the link

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/218/3/347/4904047

[Trapper John]

Thank you Badger52 :lifter Finest Kind post and the DEFINITIVE final word on this subject IMHO

Unfortunately, the increasing cases (??) is creating the panic and the specter of lock-downs and masking mandates. The bureaucrats and Fauci-ites are circling and can't resist.

" The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming. Everybody to get from street!":p

[Ret10Echo]

" The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming. Everybody to get from street!":p

Nice pull


In a somewhat related note... had a hand-wringer come to me about how this is "the plague " of our time...

History is a mo-fo

200 Million deaths estimated in Europe during the plague.... Just over 1 million from Wuhan-SARS.

NO, no it is NOT the plague.

[Badger52]

NO, no it is NOT the plague.Heh, lol, it may not be a lot of things given the lack of efficacy of their own choice of testing regime. Not that the guy who developed that test didn't tell them a LONG time ago that it's not the thing to use.* Frankly, it can't rule out whether you stubbed your toe on a sprinkler head. PCR with a Cycle Threshold of 40 is like licking your baseboard to prove the potential presence of a dust particle.

In with HH6 to our doc awhile back and he mentioned, quietly, that it was a good thing that we'd had our pneumonia in Dec 19. Otherwise we might've been misdiagnosed in the hysteria and treated with things that would've killed us. Then it would be just another Covid, chalked up to "FOGs and they're boomers anyway, so screw 'em." He was real concerned if he'd been out of town & something like that happened - apparently alluding that the Suzy Creamcheese freakout - using CDC's testing regime - might've missed something as critical as the diff between a bacterial & viral issue.


* The Wild Bunch: "No! The tripod - you must put it on the tripod!"

[GratefulCitizen]

https://news.yahoo.com/antibodies-sinovacs-covid-19-shot-142748493.html

So some vaccines might be temporary?
Boosters help, and new vaccines will probably be needed for the variants (or other new diseases).

This is beginning to resemble the planned obsolescence which occurs in manufactured goods.
Combining that with protection from legal liability and defacto mandatory vaccination (vaccine passports, etc.) will create a nice little money printing machine for big pharma.

[RCummings]

Just a note, I follow the FDA Med watch for a good laugh. They have been recalling the "testing kits" since this crap started. FDA Med watch is where you can get the latest recalls of drugs, tests and other medical equipment. I get several recalls every week.

V/R

Bob

[Ret10Echo]

So some vaccines might be temporary?
Boosters help, and new vaccines will probably be needed for the variants (or other new diseases).

This is beginning to resemble the planned obsolescence which occurs in manufactured goods.


At the end of the day it's because THEY JUST DON'T KNOW what's going to happen or what the efficacy or impact is over time. :eek:

I'm seeing discussions on partial (micro) dosing, increasing the span between shot 1 and shot 2, booster shots..etc...etc...

All that stuff that happens to primates and mice in the lab is happening to humans on the street and in their homes across the globe.

Funny to think about it... each time you drive by the spot you received the shot you can say to people "There's the place where I was killed"..

From the financial perspective, that's what the scramble is by the pharma's to "Discover" a variant of a generic drug so they can make big bank instead of using a generic. (read about Ivermectin (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33259913/))
A COVID-19 prophylaxis? Lower incidence associated with prophylactic administration of ivermectin

[Box]

LOUD NOISES !!


Consider that my official response for all things COVID.

[sfshooter]

Well, the way I see it from my not so highly educated mind, It doesn't matter that the test picks up influenza or the covid. I think the death numbers would be about the same if we put them in their own category. Again, that's just my not so highly educated mind doing critical thinking and research since this whole boondoggle began. YMMV

[GratefulCitizen]

At the end of the day it's because THEY JUST DON'T KNOW what's going to happen or what the efficacy or impact is over time. :eek:


They know exactly what they’re doing…FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!!
Any questioning of anything is misinformation and will be censored.

The sheeple just need to shut up and do as they’re told.
The only reason we’re still in this mess is because we lack 100% compliance from all the various orders issued.

Until the sheeple learn to obey immediately, without question, and act on it with a sense of urgency, the emergency will continue.
The beatings will also continue until morale improves.

[Badger52]

Well, the way I see it from my not so highly educated mind, It doesn't matter that the test picks up influenza or the covid. I think the death numbers would be about the same if we put them in their own category. Again, that's just my not so highly educated mind doing critical thinking and research since this whole boondoggle began. YMMVAgreed regarding deaths. Point of contention (for many) has been that the attribution of deaths to SARS to the seeming exclusion of everything else has driven policies that have had some pretty debilitating results.

Do Influenza vs. Coronavirus on a test drive different treatment regimes in any way?

[bblhead672]

It would appear that the PCR test is being relegated to the dustbin of history due to - wait for it.... inability to distinguish between SARS-COV-2 and... Influenza.

Just in case some have asked over the last 18 months "where did all the little influenzas go?"

One article here. (https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/07/cdc-quietly-revokes-rt-pcr-emergency-use-authorization-because-they-counted-covid-19-and-influenza-together)


Remain calm and, as good little Boxen will tell you, always secure YOUR mask before assisting others.
This is my shocked face.
:rolleyes:

The guy who designed it says it was designed to detect multiple viruses..with no way to tell which one is being detected.
I've been telling anyone who would listen, which isn't many people, since early in 2020 that the "case numbers" were fake due to the test not being able to detect the plandemic virus.
Fauci, et al....deserves to hang.

[Ret10Echo]

FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!!
Any questioning of anything is misinformation and will be censored.

My favorite saying.... LOL

Follow the "Science" unless it impedes a.political agenda or.has anything to do with gender.

Obedience and your papers please

Awesomesauce

We/They

[Badger52]

The guy who designed it says it was designed to detect multiple viruses..with no way to tell which one is being detected.
I've been telling anyone who would listen, which isn't many people, since early in 2020 that the "case numbers" were fake due to the test not being able to detect the plandemic virus.
Fauci, et al....deserves to hang.Ditto. Wasted breath sometmies.
But I'm all for another boost in the hemp industry.

[Paslode]

The guy who designed it says it was designed to detect multiple viruses..with no way to tell which one is being detected.
I've been telling anyone who would listen, which isn't many people, since early in 2020 that the "case numbers" were fake due to the test not being able to detect the plandemic virus.
Fauci, et al....deserves to hang.

Unfortunately for most, sides have been chosen and few want an honest discussion.

[Sohei]

LOUD NOISES !!


Consider that my official response for all things COVID.

All I hear concerning COVID is Charlie Brown's teacher's voice. Keep the fear alive and the fake news coming.

[Trapper John]

At the end of the day it's because THEY JUST DON'T KNOW what's going to happen or what the efficacy or impact is over time. :eek:

I'm seeing discussions on partial (micro) dosing, increasing the span between shot 1 and shot 2, booster shots..etc...etc...

All that stuff that happens to primates and mice in the lab is happening to humans on the street and in their homes across the globe.

Funny to think about it... each time you drive by the spot you received the shot you can say to people "There's the place where I was killed"..

From the financial perspective, that's what the scramble is by the pharma's to "Discover" a variant of a generic drug so they can make big bank instead of using a generic. (read about Ivermectin (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33259913/))

Yep! As I have said before, The combination of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and zinc could effectively and safely ward off SARS Cov-2 infection progression to disease and do so at a cost <$5 per dose. The problem is, as you correctly pointed out, we cannot allow repurposed existing drugs to cannibalize the billion $ sunk costs in monoclonal antibody therapies and the development of mRNA vaccines! As we both know the mission is not always straight-forward or what is obvious in front of our face! :eek:

[bblhead672]

Unfortunately for most, sides have been chosen and few want an honest discussion.

I couldn't agree more. You can't have a discussion with someone who is screaming at you.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I couldn't agree more. You can't have a discussion with someone who is screaming at you.

Shut up and eat your fu*king PEAS!

[rsdengler]

All I hear concerning COVID is Charlie Brown's teacher's voice. Keep the fear alive and the fake news coming.

Dat be true.....that's all I hear, mumbled voices...:D

[GratefulCitizen]

Some of the containment policies since the beginning of this pandemic make no sense.

Many places started implementing curfews and businesses limited their hours.
This only served to concentrate people all in the same places during limited time windows which increases, rather than decreases, the transmission vector.

Now certain businesses around the country are restricting service to only the customers who have proof of vaccination or a negative test.
This just means that the untested and unvaccinated will concentrate elsewhere which also increases, rather than decreases, the transmission vector.

It’s almost like they’re trying to make things worse.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/with-covid-on-the-rise-more-restaurants-say-no-vax-no-service-11627429835

[The Reaper]

Some of the containment policies since the beginning of this pandemic make no sense.

Many places started implementing curfews and businesses limited their hours.
This only served to concentrate people all in the same places during limited time windows which increases, rather than decreases, the transmission vector.

Now certain businesses around the country are restricting service to only the customers who have proof of vaccination or a negative test.
This just means that the untested and unvaccinated will concentrate elsewhere which also increases, rather than decreases, the transmission vector.

It’s almost like they’re trying to make things worse.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/with-covid-on-the-rise-more-restaurants-say-no-vax-no-service-11627429835

What was it Tiny Dancer said?

TR

[NurseTim]

If the jab is experimental, where is the placebo arm? Also, why do those that had kung flu have to take the jab?

[Sohei]

At this point it's more about disobedience than "our" safety, IMO. They won't be happy until they have put a permanent split right down the middle of this nation. The numbers have never supported the actions forced upon the populace. It will eventually be us (non-vaccindated) vs them (vaccinated).

[Last hard class]

The numbers have never supported the actions forced upon the populace. Agree 100%


It will eventually be us (non-vaccindated) vs them (vaccinated)
Disagree. Although I can see why the unvaccinated may feel that way.

I’m vaccinated but I fully respect those that choose not to. Not because I think they are making a smart decision, because I believe it’s their right to do so. However, I may be less empathetic to their outcomes if their choices affect my choice to go to Vegas this fall.

It seems like we have reached the Velvet hammer stage. All levels of Gov. cajoling people to get jabbed. Incentives given out (Sending the wrong message). Local backlashes growing now that masks are coming back indoors. I saw that the VA is going to mandate vaccinations. Just the tip of the iceberg. Within six months there will be a fully approved FDA Covid vaccine. Then the remaining unvaccinated people will have to really make choices.




LHC

[PSM]

Within six months there will be a fully approved FDA Covid vaccine. Then the remaining unvaccinated people will have to really make choices. LHC

Not a hard choice for me:

A typical vaccine development timeline takes 5 to 10 years, and sometimes longer, to assess whether the vaccine is safe and efficacious in clinical trials, complete the regulatory approval processes, and manufacture sufficient quantity of vaccine doses for widespread distribution.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline

One years is not enough for a disease that over 98% in any age category survive.

[Badger52]

Here's what seems to be an interesting article (https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/a-last-word-of-caution-to-all-those-pretending-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-toning-down), although I'm not worthy to interpret a good portion of it. Street vernacular translations are welcome for those who care to tackle it. One thought put forward is that mass vaccination in the presence of a virus that is constantly evolving & morphing into variants (with attendant Greek letter names) is a bad idea. Near the end, before a diagram and some summary bullet points, there was this:
I, therefore, reiterate that the currently observed convergence of naturally selected mutations towards S-derived antigenic sites that facilitate or are directly responsible for binding to the Ace-2 entry receptor combind with the velocity at which this evolution currently takes place poses a huge and imminent threat to the human population and will heavily backfire if we continue mass vaccination on a background of high viral infection rates while largely relaxing infection prevention measures.

Last but not least, it must be emphasized that those calling themselves ‘experts’ while pretending that this pandemic is ‘a pandemic among the non-vaccinated’ are devoid of any scientific insight in the evolutionary dynamics of Sars-CoV-2 as currently shaped by a combination of high viral infectivity and vaccine coverage rates. Neither the vaccinated (who merely believed the vaccine would protect them from Covid-19 disease) nor the non-vaccinated (who simply believe there is no need for them to take the vaccine in order to stay protected) are to be blamed for the escalation of this pandemic. Mass vaccination is the one and only culprit.

I wonder how TPTB will respond when, with the large-scale overall mistrust*, their vax number including those vax'd who they want to have a booster, goes backward from the direction they want. I think there will be (are?) some who now have (irreversible) buyer's remorse over having been vaccinated. When the booster number doesn't get up to the number known already vaccinated that's going to indicate they've lost the marketing ploy.


* for a variety of reasons besides Covid, but including shenanigans of Congress and various alphabet agencies.

[Pete]

The information flow has gone off a cliff.

Things that were true yesterday are counteracted today. Been that way for months.

It's a giant toilet flush.

Got my shots back in May and have just continued on with life.

Same checkout staff are still working at Food Lion just like they were back in March 2020. They are the people that see the most folks every day.

[Paslode]

The information flow has gone off a cliff.

Things that were true yesterday are counteracted today. Been that way for months.

It's a giant toilet flush.

Got my shots back in May and have just continued on with life.

Same checkout staff are still working at Food Lion just like they were back in March 2020. They are the people that see the most folks every day.

My middle kid has worked checkout at the local store throughout Wuflu, this store is frequented by a large number of folks who live in the 4-5 retirement/assisted living facilities which were the hot spots in my area last year. Thousands are in and out of the store daily and he hasn't had so much as a sniffle throughout this fiasco and he is un-vaxxed.

Out of all the people I see, one couple had the Wuflu after a trip to Florida and a woman's 80 something father passed away because of WuFlu. All the older folks I see have had they shots and none has had any issues.

[bblhead672]

Why is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Covid Treatment?
By David R. Henderson and Charles L. Hooper
Wall Street Journal July 28, 2021 12:34 pm ET

The Food and Drug Administration claims to follow the science. So why is it attacking ivermectin, a medication it certified in 1996?

Earlier this year the agency put out a special warning that “you should not use ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19.” The FDA’s statement included words and phrases such as “serious harm,” “hospitalized,” “dangerous,” “very dangerous,” “seizures,” “coma and even death” and “highly toxic.” Any reader would think the FDA was warning against poison pills. In fact, the drug is FDA-approved as a safe and effective antiparasitic.

Ivermectin was developed and marketed by Merck & Co. while one of us (Mr. Hooper) worked there years ago. William C. Campbell and Satoshi Omura won the 2015 Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine for discovering and developing avermectin, which Mr. Campbell and associates modified to create ivermectin.

Ivermectin is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines. Merck has donated four billion doses to prevent river blindness and other diseases in Africa and other places where parasites are common. A group of 10 doctors who call themselves the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance have said ivermectin is “one of the safest, low-cost, and widely available drugs in the history of medicine.”

Ivermectin fights 21 viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the cause of Covid-19. A single dose reduced the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 in cells by 99.8% in 24 hours and 99.98% in 48 hours, according to a June 2020 study published in the journal Antiviral Research.

Some 70 clinical trials are evaluating the use of ivermectin for treating Covid-19. The statistically significant evidence suggests that it is safe and works for both treating and preventing the disease.
In 115 patients with Covid-19 who received a single dose of ivermectin, none developed pneumonia or cardiovascular complications, while 11.4% of those in the control group did. Fewer ivermectin patients developed respiratory distress (2.6% vs. 15.8%); fewer required oxygen (9.6% vs. 45.9%); fewer required antibiotics (15.7% vs. 60.2%); and fewer entered intensive care (0.1% vs. 8.3%). Ivermectin-treated patients tested negative faster, in four days instead of 15, and stayed in the hospital nine days on average instead of 15. Ivermectin patients experienced 13.3% mortality compared with 24.5% in the control group.

Moreover, the drug can help prevent Covid-19. One 2020 article in Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications looked at what happened after the drug was given to family members of confirmed Covid-19 patients. Less than 8% became infected, versus 58.4% of those untreated.
Despite the FDA’s claims, ivermectin is safe at approved doses. Out of four billion doses administered since 1998, there have been only 28 cases of serious neurological adverse events, according to an article published this year in the American Journal of Therapeutics. The same study found that ivermectin has been used safely in pregnant women, children and infants.

If the FDA were driven by science and evidence, it would give an emergency-use authorization for ivermectin for Covid-19. Instead, the FDA asserts without evidence that ivermectin is dangerous.
At the bottom of the FDA’s warning against ivermectin is this statement: “Meanwhile, effective ways to limit the spread of COVID-19 continue to be to wear your mask, stay at least 6 feet from others who don’t live with you, wash hands frequently, and avoid crowds.”

Is this based on the kinds of double-blind studies that the FDA requires for drug approvals? No.
--------
Mr. Henderson, a research fellow with the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, was senior health economist with President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers. Mr. Hooper is president of Objective Insights, a firm that consults with pharmaceutical clients.

[Box]

I'm glad they spent all this effort pushing the vaccine only to tell everyone that vaccines dont work - put your mask back on.

I wish they would hurry up and mandate clown shoes - lord knows we should all be wearing them by now.

[Ret10Echo]

Why is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Covid Treatment?


Super short .answer.

Industry Regulatory Capture

Slightly longer

Reference my previous post

Big Pharma is frantically trying to create a patented ivermectin substitute in order to make big money.

Allowing a low-cost generic lacks sufficient shareholder benefit.


Ask Trapper John

[Ret10Echo]

I'm glad they spent all this effort pushing the vaccine only to tell everyone that vaccines dont work - put your mask back on.

I wish they would hurry up and mandate clown shoes - lord knows we should all be wearing them by now.

Get some photos of sea turtles choking out on discarded masks and mask mandates will go away....

The Clown lobby will not allow Kongress to direct appropriation of their culture. It won't happen.

[GratefulCitizen]

Anyone who doesn’t want to get vaccinated is merely engaging in a “peaceful protest”.
That’s what all the cool kids were doing last year.

[Box]

Anyone who doesn’t want to get vaccinated is merely engaging in a “peaceful protest”.


"My body, My Choice"

[Old Dog New Trick]

At what point are we going to realize and accept the science behind the Wuhan Flu is that it’s out of the bag now and everyone is gonna get exposed to it at some point in time? It doesn’t matter if you are immune, immunized, had it and recovered from it or not, and yes some people are not going to recover and will either die from complications (pre-existing or life choices) or have complications for life.

There does not seem to be a valid or medicinal value to wearing a mask or two. We all wore them and the virus spread throughout the world faster than Superman can fly on modern airplanes with their sophisticated micron air recirculation systems. In India they packed people into rail cars like holocaust victims and sent them to every corner of the country only to have every corner of the country infected. Same thing in Europe and elsewhere where lockdowns were used. When restrictions were lifted the populations suffered a delayed response only. China lied and people died!

So far the disease has infected ~10% of the world population and of that ><1% have died from it. We know that many could have survived if politics had stayed out of the decision making process and allowed doctors to see what works and what doesn’t work. By now we would be ahead of the two-week-curve! A year and half into it and we now know the tests were faulty, the vaccine is not a cure all and we are treating a virus that continues to change with every cycle. That is not only insane it’s irresponsible, reprehensible and malfeasance of the hypocritical oath to do no further harm. You do not treat a disease in the infancy of its incubation period once you find out your treatment is not working unless you want to create a “super-bug” resistant to all your future actions.

That, one medical “expert” who has been wrong on damn near everything is still calling all the shots, should tell you something about who’s responsible for it and who wants to keep using it for control or profit. The “scientific medical field” but hey follow the science and not the front line medical practitioners who deal with sick people every day.

Get vaccinated or not, but take back control of your life. Start by turning off the television and remind yourselves that, “the only thing we need to fear is fear itself.”

I’m not much of a believer in God, but obviously I do believe that our course for life begins at birth and ends with death that, if this “plague” restores balance to the world population growth and a sustainable future is discovered because of it, than that is the plan and we are just along for the ride.

God bless us all because somewhere someone is saying; “you arrogant ass, you’ve killed us!”

[Paslode]

An interesting piece from Brandon Smith I found on Zero Hedge. It brings up some good points, many of which have been discussed here.


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/brandon-smith-why-are-globalists-and-governments-so-desperate-100-vaccination-rates

[RCummings]

ODNT, since we were born death has always been one step behind us. One touch and we are gone. Many seem to think that by looking backward we can avoid the touch. I am not concerned one bit about what the experts say, I will live my life with as little interference from, "the smartest guys in the room", as I can. This BS was paid for by America and I'm sure others in a lab in Communist China. The injections are manufactured in the same country, the PPE comes from China. Good grief what could possibly go wrong. They can keep their injections, masks and fear.

[7624U]

Why is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Covid Treatment?

Here is the link for the ivermectin study posted by the NIH from doctors in India. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

Only one problem it would cause another run on toilet paper here in America, We would have another crisis to deal with.

[Box]

Some rockers understand this deadly pandemic - they recognize it for what it is - a disease that is so terrible that many people have to be told they have it - a disease so deadly that only 99.8% of mankind is going to survive it...

Some dont and seem bent on ignoring royal edicts passed down from the gubmint...


NEIL DIAMOND: Hands, touching hands
CDC: no don’t touch hands
NEIL DIAMOND: reaching out
CDC: please avoid that
NEIL DIAMOND: touching me...
CDC: we're all doomed
NEIL DIAMOND: ...TOUCHING YOU
TONY FAUCI: (in his best darth vader voice) - NNNOOOOOOOO

EDDIE MONEY: Take me home tonight...
CDC: make sure you keep your mask on while indoors with strangers
EDDIE MONEY: I don't want to let you go 'til you see the light
CDC: wait, WHAT? Thats sound pretty rapey there Mr Money

THE BEATLES: I wanna hold your hand
CDC: dont hold hands, try fisting instead
THE BEATLES:And when I touch you...
TONY FAUCI: (in his best darth vader voice) - NNNOOOOOOOO

[rsdengler]

Some rockers understand this deadly pandemic - they recognize it for what it is - a disease that is so terrible that many people have to be told they have it - a disease so deadly that only 99.8% of mankind is going to survive it...

Some dont and seem bent on ignoring royal edicts passed down from the gubmint...


NEIL DIAMOND: Hands, touching hands
CDC: no don’t touch hands
NEIL DIAMOND: reaching out
CDC: please avoid that
NEIL DIAMOND: touching me...
CDC: we're all doomed
NEIL DIAMOND: ...TOUCHING YOU
TONY FAUCI: (in his best darth vader voice) - NNNOOOOOOOO

EDDIE MONEY: Take me home tonight...
CDC: make sure you keep your mask on while indoors with strangers
EDDIE MONEY: I don't want to let you go 'til you see the light
CDC: wait, WHAT? Thats sound pretty rapey there Mr Money

THE BEATLES: I wanna hold your hand
CDC: dont hold hands, try fisting instead
THE BEATLES:And when I touch you...
TONY FAUCI: (in his best darth vader voice) - NNNOOOOOOOO



...Deceased...lmao....:D:D

[Box]

COVID friendly songs like "Dont Stand So Close to Me" and "Dancing With Myself" are approved for play in public places as reminders of what it means to be a patriot...

[Paslode]

Well done Box!

[7624U]

Some rockers understand this deadly pandemic - they recognize it for what it is - a disease that is so terrible that many people have to be told they have it - a disease so deadly that only 99.8% of mankind is going to survive it...

Some dont and seem bent on ignoring royal edicts passed down from the gubmint...


NEIL DIAMOND: Hands, touching hands
CDC: no don’t touch hands
NEIL DIAMOND: reaching out
CDC: please avoid that
NEIL DIAMOND: touching me...
CDC: we're all doomed
NEIL DIAMOND: ...TOUCHING YOU
TONY FAUCI: (in his best darth vader voice) - NNNOOOOOOOO

EDDIE MONEY: Take me home tonight...
CDC: make sure you keep your mask on while indoors with strangers
EDDIE MONEY: I don't want to let you go 'til you see the light
CDC: wait, WHAT? Thats sound pretty rapey there Mr Money

THE BEATLES: I wanna hold your hand
CDC: dont hold hands, try fisting instead
THE BEATLES:And when I touch you...
TONY FAUCI: (in his best darth vader voice) - NNNOOOOOOOO

BOX: (Can't Touch this) HAMMER TIME

[JJ_BPK]

Some rockers understand this deadly pandemic - they recognize it for what it is - a disease that is so terrible that many people have to be told they have it - a disease so deadly that only 99.8% of mankind is going to survive it...



Ahmen, Brother...

Do Re Mi
Sound of Pandemic
cover by Maria von Trump and the Von Trumplings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMBh-eo3tvE

[Pete]

First time I've seen that one.

[Paslode]

Today Steve Deace from The Blaze had an Dr. Robert Malone on his show to discuss the WuFlu. Dr. Malone is said to be the scientist who originally patented the mRNA technology.

The Podcast can be found here - https://www.theblaze.com/podcasts/steve-deace-show.

During the 45 minute interview he discusses how mRNA, Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE), vaccine degradation and immunity. The one area that caught my attention was immunity, Dr. Malone stated that person exposed to a virus get an immunity for a variety of the virus whereas the mRNA vaccine only gives a person immunity against a single variant. Secondly if the mRNA isn't precise it can actually make matter much worse.

[Gypsy]

Oh Box you made my day. :D

[Hummer]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/inventor-mrna-vaccine-covid-vaccines-make-virus-dangerous/

[Badger52]

Link at Breitbart. (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/09/biden-pentagon-mandate-coronavirus-vaccines-military-mid-september/)
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin will make coronavirus vaccines mandatory for all members of the military by mid-September, or “immediately” upon Food and Drug Administration approval, whichever comes first, according to a memo he issued August 9.

In a memo to all Department of Defense (DOD) employees, Austin wrote (emphasis added):

As many of you know, President Biden asked me to consider how and when we might add the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines to the list of those required for all Service members. So, over the last week, I have consulted closely with the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Secretaries of the Military Departments, the Service Chiefs, and medical professionals. I appreciate greatly the advice and counsel they provided. Based on these consultations and on additional discussions with leaders of the White House COVID Task Force, I want you to know that I will seek the President’s approval to make the vaccines mandatory no later than mid-September, or immediately upon the U.S. Food and Drug Agency (FDA) licensure, whichever comes first.

Austin wrote that “by way of expectation, public reporting suggests” that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine could achieve full FDA licensure “early next month.”

As info (often conflicting) comes out like a fire hose from multiple directions, people have gotten the vax, some have not. Of those that did, some have buyer's remorse & feel they got whamboozled, some don't. The national response seems to me something that has been perpetrated on, rather than fielded to, the American people.

But this could get fugly; information available now is not information available 6 months ago.

I do not like this guy anyway, so...
:rolleyes:

[Uman]

Interesting interview and the guy has a lot to lose

https://www.alternativenarrative.net/2021/08/covid-is-global-propaganda-operation.html

[Butch]

Wonderful information from the beginning thru today. I can't thank you all enough for the information in this thread. I don't post much but always like to learn. This virus is something else.

Things are getting a bit strange for me and the family whom most all my younger crowd (kids, grandkids, greats) are not vaccinated and are in the clinical profession and are blessed with good health and been thinking about this virus. They aren't vaccinating until they are forced by their employers. Me and my wife who is also 76 got vaccinated early on and didn't ask just felt like it was smarter. Now if i was young and healthy i don't think i would have worried as much but who knows. We were nervous of our health cause i have some health issues but not too bad for 76 and have been vaccinated many many times over our life. No big thought to us about this. We trusted it but now realize this isn't a normal virus like others and its not a normal vaccine. I am not a scientist so don't think I decided on my own knowledge, but i can read and listen and watch it travel thru my kids and friends and see its something a little stronger and smarter. Now the inventor said he is worried the vaccine might make me more susceptible than if i wouldn't have got vaccinated. Well hell. Oh well, i guess i'll keep gettin the booster. I guess.

I'm just a simple restaurant man and never thought i'd live to the moment we seem to be at or near in this country and the whole world, so thank you for you Green Berets. I've had the pleasure of feeding you a time or two from Polk. I've loved Polk ever since my son would go up there seems like every weekend and do land navigation and other stuff as a cadet. My grandson calls yall the nerd warrior. We love y'all and all veterans deeply down here in our parts. I sure hope y'all are all doing well and I thank you again for this virus information. It's helping me.

Had three of my adult grandkids get it this past week and are improving but it was rough for a day or two they say. Reminded them of the flu. I wonder if the vaccination even matters or is worth the risk for them, if this virus keeps ahead of the vaccine design.

I am old and will be gone in a few years, but lots of my little folks worry me coming up in this crazy time. I try not to worry too much for them. I'm glad to be feeding folks again and i guess keeping busy keeps me from worrying about the virus. Anyways we love yall and thank you.

Butch

[1stindoor]

Thank you Butch.

[Badger52]

Pretty dry initially, and it's about 1h20m long but I think it may be worth viewing for some interested in the timelines of what got made when, including patent numbers and situations where (a-ha) the test was available before the thing it was testing and the vaccine for it was available before the thing, etc.

Leads go all the way back to 2002 and this guy, Dr. David Martin who will introduce himself to the panel that invited him, lays it out in (mostly) language that's understandable for mortals that don't have an immunology background.

Here's the main link. (https://odysee.com/@FwapUK:1/A-manufactured-illusion.-Dr-David-Martin-with-Reiner-Fuellmich-9_7_21_-720p:5?src=embed)

If that doesn't work, Herschel is hosting it over at The Captain's Journal here (https://www.captainsjournal.com/2021/08/09/sars-cov-2-in-the-news-part-ii/).

It's interesting to me also because he covers (way before current strife) the guy who is the EcoHealth middle-man for Fauci, and how Fauci got $$$$ to Wuhan even with a gain-of-function moratorium in place. Goal: "New Normal" and vax forever (and $$$$ forever for some).

You can decide.

[Trapper John]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tQoYi1Y6-HcZ8G1tPKcXOymVN6e7oXH91Bc0ewPljOU/edit

There is a lot to unpack from that video, and is more than I have time to do in order to verify the veracity of what Dr Martin has to say. He just set off my Spidey sense. So I looked into his Bio (see link above). This was a maelstrom of circulating hyperbole! It seems as though everything related to Dr. David E Martin ends up circling the rabbit hole. Maybe that's enough to put his entire thesis on hold. :eek:

[Badger52]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tQoYi1Y6-HcZ8G1tPKcXOymVN6e7oXH91Bc0ewPljOU/edit

There is a lot to unpack from that video, and is more than I have time to do in order to verify the veracity of what Dr Martin has to say. He just set off my Spidey sense. So I looked into his Bio (see link above). This was a maelstrom of circulating hyperbole! It seems as though everything related to Dr. David E Martin ends up circling the rabbit hole. Maybe that's enough to put his entire thesis on hold. :eek:That was interesting, thanks. I detected also some not-very-subtle axe-grinding present as well. Difficult to parse this stuff sometimes; the author of the counter-Martin piece is in the medicinal genomics of cannabis (https://www.medicinalgenomics.com/team/kevin-mckernan/) biz. Maybe Box is right and it all distills down to loud noises. Although, these EU guys sure get cranky with each other over a variety of things it seems.

[Trapper John]

Maybe Box is right and it all distills down to loud noises. Ya think? Of course he is, it's Box after all. :p

[doctom54]

“Dr” David Martin has a PhD in Linguistics
No training in virology
No training in epidemiology
No medical training
No law degree
Definitely not an expert on patent law.

He runs a Hedge Fund (apparently no financial education either)

He right up there with Jim Bakker,


Bakker sold colloidal silver supplements that he advertised as a panacea. In March 2020, the office of the Attorney General of New York ordered Bakker to cease making false medicinal claims about his supplements' alleged ability to cure the 2019-20 strains of coronavirus, and the Federal Trade Commission and the Food and Drug Administration also sent a warning letter to Bakker about his claims regarding the supplements and coronavirus. Missouri attorney general Eric Schmitt and Arkansas attorney general Leslie Rutledge filed lawsuits against Bakker for allegedly pushing the supplements as a treatment for the virus

[7624U]

I would agree with Doc and Trapper, I would not trust this guy Badger52.

But I would Trust the CDC stating they don't know much about COVID-19.

Other then they are very concerned about messaging, inclusion and diversity. (BECAUSE THE VIRUS CARES !) updated 2 Aug 2021.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-agenda-covid19.html

Just a snippet

15 Priority Public Health Science Questions by Topic (as of August 2021)
Vaccines

What is the effectiveness and duration of protection afforded by vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 infection and disease in various populations and settings?

What factors contribute to COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections among fully vaccinated people?

How does vaccine breakthrough affect SARS-CoV-2 transmission among symptomatic and asymptomatic people?

Are COVID-19 vaccine booster doses needed for fully vaccinated people? If so, what are the recommendations for the timing and administration of booster doses?

What is the impact of COVID-19 vaccine boosters or additional doses of vaccine in immunocompromised people and other key subpopulations?

What is the impact of vaccination coverage rates on SARS-CoV-2 infections, hospitalizations, and death, particularly among those disproportionately affected by COVID-19?

How does vaccine effectiveness and protection change for different SARS-CoV-2 variants, including its impact on infections, hospitalizations, and deaths?

How does vaccine effectiveness and protection differ by age group, race and ethnicity, and people with underlying medical conditions?

What is the effectiveness of vaccination strategies with mixed vaccine products?

What interventions, program decisions, and communication approaches are most effective at increasing equitable vaccination access and coverage among various populations and settings?

What are the most effective strategies for identifying and engaging diverse populations with high levels of vaccine hesitancy to improve vaccine confidence and vaccine uptake?

What communication frames and approaches most effectively counter or prevent vaccine misinformation and disinformation, particularly in populations and settings with high numbers of unvaccinated people?

What approaches effectively identify and prioritize geographic locations where strategies should be implemented to increase equitable vaccine access?

How do socioeconomic and other social factors and determinants (e.g., internet access, physical accessibility) affect vaccine access?

How do vaccine-related questions, concerns, and misinformation change over time, and how can insights be developed for programmatic action?

What factors affect the timeliness or efficiency of COVID-19 vaccination programs?

What are the most effective approaches for building the capacity of state and local health departments and community-based organizations to address social and behavioral drivers of vaccine demand and uptake?

What is the risk for adverse events associated with COVID-19 vaccines, particularly among key sub-populations including pregnant people, adolescents and young adults, the elderly, people with underlying medical conditions, and those disproportionately affected by COVID-19?

[Old Dog New Trick]

>90% of the world’s population hasn’t been infected with the Wu-Flu a year and half into the pandemic. Am I missing something?

When do the vaccinated people start eating the brains of the unvaccinated, unwashed, heathens and deplorables?

Dr. St. Fauci are you now of the opinion that masks do not work and have possibly led to untold upper respiratory illnesses and pneumonia in people with a weakened autoimmune disorder? Leading to their untimely death?

Is it possible based on data collected from across the world to definitively say masks did not alter the transmission rate of the disease but have become the number one tool of creating fear, panic and turning a society against each other based on lies and manipulation of data which has not been scientifically collected or analyzed with a test sample or control group?

I think we now know lockdowns helped spread the disease killing entire family units keeping it alive past its normal life cycle and allowing the virus to mutate from host to host and vectored through an ill prepared medical system of people in contact with the disease going home at the end of too long shifts and worn down resistance to infection. (Remember when last year hospitals were cutting staff and closing facilities because no one was actually sick?) Some places were swamped with respiratory complications and blood clotting disorders while other places couldn’t keep the staff they had to maintain the empty tents, garages and other temporary facilities created overnight in fear of what Dr. Fauci said would be gone in “Two-Weeks” if we all gave up our civil rights and freedoms.

Now I see how dystopian novels and Orwellian works of fiction become reality in an uneducated generation that will blindly follow or rise up against humanity without asking any critical questions.

“No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of they’re cowards.” Should be a phrase every time Dr. Fauci’s name is mentioned.

ETA: Full disclosure, I’ve been vaccinated against Small Pox, Yellow Fever X2, Diphtheria, Mumps, Measles, Rubella, Polio, Tetanus X like 10+, Influenza nearly every year, Anthrax, probably some other experimental vaccines, taken Doxycycline, Mefloquine, Imodium and live on a daily diet of anti-inflammatory medication just to move somewhat freely. And yes at the behest of my wife who also wants me to live long enough to be a burden to my government I got both doses of Pfizer’s mRNA based vaccine so my underlying medical conditions don’t help the Wu-Flu to kill me…at least I hope it doesn’t kill me.

GO GET VACCINATED…what’s the worst that could happen?

[PSM]

…what’s the worst that could happen?

That my natural immunity could be compromised. I haven't been sick from anything for 51 years which is when the Army gave me me last flu shot. When my wife was substitute teaching in the mid-90s, I got mild cold symptoms that went away in a day or so. I don't want to mess with Mother Nature. BTW, most of my Army Shot Record was rubber stamped except for the shots in Basic and the Oakland Transfer Point.

[Badger52]

I would agree with Doc and Trapper, I would not trust this guy Badger52.No worries; the list of those not trusted gets longer by the day.

BTW, most of my Army Shot Record was rubber stamped except for the shots in Basic and the Oakland Transfer Point.I noticed that too.

[Old Dog New Trick]

That my natural immunity could be compromised. I haven't been sick from anything for 51 years which is when the Army gave me me last flu shot.

And that maybe a very good reason not to, (not that there is anything like “natural immunity”) only a healthy, robust and normal immune system which “naturally” fights foreign invaders without compromising itself. Some people aren’t all that lucky to be born like that or having been exposed through natural occurrence or limited exposure - a Flu shot once a year, a series of childhood vaccines given through selected ages. Some kids just didn’t eat enough dirt when they were young or lick door knobs.

In fact most of the population under 35 today has lived in a antiseptic or aseptic world free of germs, bacteria, and viruses so they are more susceptible than ever before. (We knew this was coming, we chose it with access to anti-microbial soaps and hand sanitizer.)

Also, it is most probably not necessary for those that have been infected with SARS-Cov-2 and have recovered to be vaccinated but again the virus continues to mutate so it’s possible that just like vaccinated people may get a new and different strain those previously infected may get sick as well and suffer great consequences.

I know I’ve said a lot in this forum from about the first days and weeks since the beginning but I’ve never said the virus isn’t real or that it should be taken less seriously than it should be. It’s a killer virus and it doesn’t seem to want to go away all by itself. We are better at treating it and preventing it but it’s going to go through the entire world population before it’s done. We can all hope that it does only affect 10% or so of the population and the other 90% are as you say “naturally immune” and suffer no serious complications. But ‘hope’ isn’t a tactic and ‘science’ and medical proficiency and available medicine is only going to go so far. No matter what we know and do, some people are going to die.

[Badger52]

Some kids just didn’t eat enough dirt when they were young or lick door knobs.LOL. Your take on all this flu stuff has been interesting & welcome from the beginning, no dispute. This last makes me laugh, however. File under the heading of 1950's Americana ("Dr. Spock didn't mention this!"). One of my youngest memories was my mother asking our Family Doc (angels sing) to stop by after his office hours (yes, they still did that) and check me over to explain why I might be chowing down a few mouthfuls of her super-premier dirt she had under her prized rose bushes.

As told to me later, he mumbled something about 'Potassium' and gave my Mom a list of some things I should eat that had more of that, with the pronouncement "he's fine." No charge.

I think fresh-air, boo-boo's, and the occasional mouthful of dirt are not bad things. These are good practice for later when you dump your Bultaco in the Mojave, or get too intimate with Mother Earth on a night LandNav.

I wonder how many "sickly" children there are that simply aren't out & about enough. Probably a bunch.

[Old Dog New Trick]

My first bike was a Bultaco Alpina 250. :D Took me all over So. California back the late 70s.

[Badger52]

My first bike was a Bultaco Alpina 250. :D Took me all over So. California back the late 70s.Wish we had 'em now, no? When I look at an ad for a Matador or Sherpa that's in decent shape or restored, whew, boy are they ever proud of 'em $$$$.

[7624U]

In fact most of the population under 35 today has lived in a antiseptic or aseptic world free of germs, bacteria, and viruses so they are more susceptible than ever before. (We knew this was coming, we chose it with access to anti-microbial soaps and hand sanitizer.)



Right on.

The other trend besides the antiseptic germ free world I have noticed is the food we are putting into our body day after day has to be contributing to lower immune systems.

looking at the package on everything, I have seen more and more Sodium and Sugar added over the last five years it is getting crazy. Might as well just go drink humming bird diet of sugar water, Then wash it down with a-little palm oil and salt solution.

[doctom54]

In fact most of the population under 35 today has lived in a antiseptic or aseptic world free of germs, bacteria, and viruses so they are more susceptible than ever before. (We knew this was coming, we chose it with access to anti-microbial soaps and hand sanitizer.)

Also, it is most probably not necessary for those that have been infected with SARS-Cov-2 and have recovered to be vaccinated but again the virus continues to mutate so it’s possible that just like vaccinated people may get a new and different strain those previously infected may get sick as well and suffer great consequences.

......We are better at treating it and preventing it but it’s going to go through the entire world population before it’s done. We can all hope that it does only affect 10% or so of the population and the other 90% are as you say “naturally immune” and suffer no serious complications. But ‘hope’ isn’t a tactic and ‘science’ and medical proficiency and available medicine is only going to go so far. No matter what we know and do, some people are going to die.

I agree. I keep telling people this only ends when everyone has been vaccinated or had COVID. The Spanish Flu of 1918-19 reached the most remote Pacific islands and Eskimo villages in the Arctic.

[GratefulCitizen]

When someone has poor general health and then subsequently gets severely ill or dies from an opportunistic infection, the infection was the final straw, not the root cause.

In some parts of the world, populations are vulnerable to all sorts of things because of general malnutrition.
Much of the first world suffers from its own form of malnutrition which causes the majority of chronic illness.

The best term for it I’ve heard is “processed food disease”.
Combine that with a sedentary lifestyle and you’ve got a vulnerable population.

Over the course of two years, most people can reverse the majority of health problems which stem from poor diet and a sedentary lifestyle.
But that takes work and discipline…it’s easier just to swallow or inject medications.

[Old Dog New Trick]

B-I-N-G-O

[EricV]

A half hour well worth watching. Surprised Ytube has not pulled it...

https://www.XXXtube.com/watch?v=tUE5EBPt-lU&t=664s

[GratefulCitizen]

A half hour well worth watching. Surprised Ytube has not pulled it...

https://www.XXXtube.com/watch?v=tUE5EBPt-lU&t=664s

FYI don’t ever enter “xxx” into a search engine…

A potential long term reduction in the general capabilities of the immune system was mentioned.

Suppose the majority of the fighting age population was given this, and ALL of the military was ordered to take it.
What strategic advantage might that give to a military adversary?

[Badger52]

A half hour well worth watching. Surprised Ytube has not pulled it...Thanks very much. Also surprised it's not been pulled.

[PSM]

I don't think the YT restriction still applies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUE5EBPt-lU&t=664s

Let me know if this works.

[Badger52]

Let me know if this works.Works fine.

[GratefulCitizen]

The delta variant.

Is the virus getting stronger, or are immune systems among the population getting weaker?
How would we be able to tell the difference?

[EricV]

Well, here's an interesting article. Has embedded links to back up the idea.

Sotrovimab – the Alternative to mRNA Vaccines

At last, we are starting to get some real research to deal with the biologically manufactured COVID-19 virus that appears to have been engineered and released with either unintended consequences, or it was known that it would mutate into something far worse. Even Germany operates a secret bio-laboratory in Wuhan under high security, which it has not disclosed to the public based on reliable sources. The Delta variant is spreading rapidly and it will impact people’s respiratory ability and make them even a little out of breath after climbing stairs.

More at:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/sotrovimab-the-alternative-to-mrna-vaccines/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

[GratefulCitizen]

And they wonder why people don’t trust them on the vaccines.
:rolleyes:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/08/did_the_fda_pull_a_baitandswitch_on_the_american_p eople.html

[Badger52]

And they wonder why people don’t trust them on the vaccines.
:rolleyes:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/08/did_the_fda_pull_a_baitandswitch_on_the_american_p eople.htmlPrecisely. And, let's see, wasn't "full approval" the initiator for DoD to say "Damn the torpedoes, full mandatory Vax for all!" ?

[Box]

And they wonder why people don’t trust them on the vaccines.

That line is written as though some nonspecific vaccine for some random virus is the only issue where "trust" has been called into question.

[scooter]

“COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) is the same formulation as the Pfizer- BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and can be used interchangeably with the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series.
The licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the EUA-authorized vaccine and the products can be used interchangeably to provide the vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns. The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness.“

It the same vaccine guys. Like “acetaminophen” vs “Tylenol”, one is branded and the other is not, but it’s the same thing. There’s probably some legalisms as to why they are keeping two separate products that are the same thing.

While I don’t support mandatory vaccination of the American public (everyone should be free to make their own health decisions), all the data shows the vaccine is an extremely safe medicine. Stop reading media articles, find a trustworthy doctor, and ask questions. The amount of misinformation out there on this thing is staggering and I find it quite baffling.

You can disagree with how local/state/federal governments have handled the pandemic without throwing the baby out with the bath water. Hard left and hard right sides of the isle are both being manipulated by their respective media outlets. Just like how everyone who had Covid and died of something else was counted as a Covid death, anyone who is vaccinated and gets an ouchie is being reported as happening to a vaccinated person. If 100 navy seals die every day, and you vaccinate all of them, then 100 vaccinated navy seals will still be dying every day. They’re unrelated variables, even if those seals believe otherwise.

[RCummings]

All of the data shows it's extremely safe. Many chemicals over the years have been deemed "safe" only to find out years later that was not the case. Agent Orange or how about DDT? Look into the effects of NSAIDs, dig a little deeper to see if it can cause heart problems.

I am very tired of the nationalized fear program to herd people to get the injection. I do agree that if a person wants to ingest drugs, have at it. I don't, just a personal choice.

As far as doctors I trust, I just had surgery and the "doctor" told me to take oxycontin for the pain, I was floored. His reasoning for the drug was that, " not taking it would not help me heal sooner". He believed what he said so he was honest.

There is only 1 reason for taking this injection and that is fear.

V/R

Bob

[GratefulCitizen]

I don’t object to pharmaceutical companies developing life-saving medications.
I object to the privatization of profits and socialization of losses.

If the vaccine is now FDA approved, and the doses developed before approval are identical, then legally classify them all as the same thing.
Of course, this means full legal liability for all the batches manufactured before and after approval.

Having skin in the game will go a long way towards engendering trust.

[scooter]

I don’t object to pharmaceutical companies developing life-saving medications.
I object to the privatization of profits and socialization of losses.

If the vaccine is now FDA approved, and the doses developed before approval are identical, then legally classify them all as the same thing.
Of course, this means full legal liability for all the batches manufactured before and after approval.

Having skin in the game will go a long way towards engendering trust.

I can get behind all of that. There's plenty of AAR'ing to be done on the public health policies that various governments tried, and I think that government at all levels got more wrong than they got right.

Once all of the vaccines are fully FDA approved I think you'll see 1) elimination of liability protections and a similar legal structure surrounding other medications, 2) health insurance companies refusing to cover COVID-related medical costs for unvaccinated customers, and 3) schools/workplaces requiring COVID vaccination alongside the other mandatory ones like Polio, Measles, varicella, etc.

There's a lot of positions that the conservative media space have taken that are, in my estimation, essentially correct. Opposition to mandatory mask usage, lockdowns, rent moratoriums, and generalized social control all have strong grounding in the evidence. These things do more harm than good.

The vaccines do far more good than harm. That's also really, really clear when you look at it objectively. The article linked above state that there have been 600,000 cases of side effects from the Vaccine. Let's say that's true. With 164 million people fully vaccinated in the US, at two doses a person, that's a side effect rate of 0.18%. That means it's hundreds of times safer than Asprin.

Do I think people should be held down on a gurney and forcibly jabbed? Hell no. Are the vaccines part of a far-reaching conspiracy to destroy our way of life and essentially dangerous in any real way? Hell no.

A lot of liberal media outlets banded together to amplify pandemic hysteria in a way that was designed to injure Donald Trump. A lot of conservative media are doing the same thing right now with regard to the vaccine (designed by Trump's Warp Speed program...), probably for the same type of motivation.

I support anyone's right to make your own medical decisions. But get your medical information from a doctor and not Tucker Carlson.

[Badger52]

I think everyone, even without knowing the term, needs to run their own CARVER matrix. From 2 otherwise healthy seniors who just don't want either to be hospitalized, so mitigating symptoms with a vaccine to a bad cold is a risk worth taking, to a young couple who really just want to have a couple of kids they raise to be good citizens who don't want to take any chance at the miscarriage game.

Small odds are one thing, until they collide with someone's "what's a catastrophic consequence in your book?" Everyone's got to sweep their own house.

The Government's problem is they lost the street creds to conduct a marketing program a long time ago, for a variety of reasons not specific to a vaccine. They have to a large extent lost the trust of the citizenry.

[GratefulCitizen]

The vaccines do far more good than harm. That's also really, really clear when you look at it objectively. The article linked above state that there have been 600,000 cases of side effects from the Vaccine. Let's say that's true. With 164 million people fully vaccinated in the US, at two doses a person, that's a side effect rate of 0.18%. That means it's hundreds of times safer than Asprin.

Do I think people should be held down on a gurney and forcibly jabbed? Hell no. Are the vaccines part of a far-reaching conspiracy to destroy our way of life and essentially dangerous in any real way? Hell no.

I support anyone's right to make your own medical decisions. But get your medical information from a doctor and not Tucker Carlson.

I also object to the fear-mongering and social pressuring techniques.
Transparency of data would be nice.

What is the actual risk to a healthy person (healthy weight, not hypertensive, no other comorbidities) under the age of 50?
Under the age of 35?
Under the age of 18?

The vaccine apparently doesn’t prevent transmission.
If the risk is low enough for a particular demographic, why are they pressured to vaccinate?

The government and media have no business meddling in the medical decisions of individuals.
And that’s the irksome part of the messaging: Individuals are somehow responsible for the health of the collective.

Really?
Why don’t people take responsibility for their own health?

Diseases happen. Natural disasters happen. Accidents happen.
Be as healthy as you can be and you’re more likely to survive.

[scooter]

I also object to the fear-mongering and social pressuring techniques.
Transparency of data would be nice.

What is the actual risk to a healthy person (healthy weight, not hypertensive, no other comorbidities) under the age of 50?
Under the age of 35?
Under the age of 18?

The vaccine apparently doesn’t prevent transmission.
If the risk is low enough for a particular demographic, why are they pressured to vaccinate?

The government and media have no business meddling in the medical decisions of individuals.
And that’s the irksome part of the messaging: Individuals are somehow responsible for the health of the collective.

Really?
Why don’t people take responsibility for their own health?

Diseases happen. Natural disasters happen. Accidents happen.
Be as healthy as you can be and you’re more likely to survive.

Agreed, on almost all fronts.

Vaccination does lessen the rate of transmission and catching the virus, just less so for the delta variant. Based on data and my surgeon’s personal observations (works in an ER for fun in his off time), the people getting admitted to the ICU for COVID are all unvaccinated. So while the vaccines aren’t as effective in preventing delta variant infection, they’re almost 100 percent effective in preventing serious illness. The powers that be have failed, massively, in communicating that. I don’t know why.

Otherwise I think we agree. Those pushing vaccination as a collective health measure are wrong, in my humble opinion. But I also think those demonizing the vaccine itself are wrong. It works as intended. Whether you get it or not should be your choice.

[Box]

I'm still scouring the internet for a source that has provided consistent and reliable data that wasn't later found to be intentionally misleading or flat out wrong.
...nor have I found a professional organization that has come forward and copped to posting bad info or at least tried to explain why their data was “wrong”.

So: here is a list of my current truths...

COVID-19 is a communicable disease
...so are influenza, smallpox, ebola, HIV, yellow fever, anthrax, and several others

COVID-19 attacks certain segments of the populace with FATAL results...
...so does influenza, smallpox, ebola, HIV, yellow fever, anthrax, and several others

The “science” of vaccines has a proven track record of preventing certain diseases from infecting and possibly even killing the host.
Sometimes those same vaccines are what kills the host.
...because, “science”

Pretty much every Soldier, Sailor, Marine. and Airman in last 100 years has been ordered to accept some sort of vaccination unless there is a formal exemption of some sort. (devout religious beliefs or allergies)

People are well within their rights to complain about mandatory vaccinations or the threat that COVID vaccination may be required for entry into certain countries.
Yellow fever vaccination may be required for entry into certain countries.

The COVID vaccine is not the first controversial vaccine that I have dared to cause me harm. My immune system laughs as such foolishness...
-HepA in the mid 1990's: for a disease with a mortality rate of 0.015% in the general population.
-Anthrax in the late 1990s when fatality rates were reportedly as high as 90%
-COVID with its 99% survival rate and its deadly vaccine that only kills a tiny percentage of a percentage point.

-Politicians are very well positioned to benefit from an ongoing COVID panic.

-The same pharmaceutical companies that have been demonized for generations for thier ill guided pursuit of profit are now in bed with the politicians that have been attacking them for generations.

-Facts and information as well as opinions about both have become valuable political commodities that play a key role in keeping the population divided and distracted

Opinions dont have to be binary - mine arent

I fear none of these facts.

We ALL die.
Most of us have spilled coffee in our lap at some point
The chances of one of us dying BECAUSE we spilled coffee in our lap is the tiniest of a fraction of a percent and yet, there are 81 million voters that are convinced that the new guy is going to save us by having us all get a shot that has a near zero percentage chance of killing the general populace so that we are vaccinated from a disease that has a near zero percentage of killing the general populace.
If COVID gets me - its not because of a vaccine developed by a supervillain or because some yet unspecified variant took on universal superpowers – it will be because my system was insufficiently prepared to fight off an external contaminant.

The people you should fear are the ones that try to use “science” to fear you into compliance. The same science that doesn’t seem to protect vaccinated people from getting COVID.
Oddly, the same demographic that seemed most likely to die from it WITHOUT being vaccinated.

Don’t be afraid.
There are no monsters in your closet (skeletons - maybe - but that's on you).
There is no murderous stuffed clown with long arms hiding under your bed waiting to strangle you.
The government is the only bogey man you need to fear.
Those people that are comforted more by a false sense of security than a solid anchor point to reality are the ones you should be afraid of.
The weak minded that refuse to accept that this entire situation might be more complex than just an apocalyptic virus released by a bad president with an unacceptable social media habit.
They are the ones that will report you for not masking.
They are the ones that will continue to believe EVERYTHING they are told.
They are the ones that will refuse to accept any possibility that could have been caused by a nefarious group of people tampering with nature for profit without considering the consequences of their money grab.
They are the ones that will continue to vote for those people because they think it is the virtuous thing to do.

Live your lives – be happy – be well.

That is all...

[Old Dog New Trick]

Whole post should be on the front page of every newspaper in the world.

Bravo!

[rsdengler]

There is no murderous stuffed clown with long arms hiding under your bed waiting to strangle you.



Ummmm....You sure about that? :D

[7624U]

Ummmm....You sure about that? :D

Don't let clowns serve you coffee or you could be in trouble
https://yowzers.com/ccdata/images/smallMain_30_347.jpg

[RCummings]

Well said as always Box. Over the years this forum has always been a place that I can read other opinions. I have not always agreed with some but they are exactly what I need to see. I miss those that have passed or no longer write and provide the necessary counterpoint. Thank you Scooter for providing your input even though some guest took issue.

Very respectfully,

Bob

[RCummings]

An interesting video from a Doctor. I understand that this is just a view from one person. His explanation of what happens was easy for me to understand. Like all things I do not agree with everything. Link below:

https://www.yout**e.com/watch?v=tUE5EBPt-lU&t=664s