America's Second Civil War

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

The only time a decision on which electors to seat arises when a state presents more than one slate of electors. This situation did not arise in the 2020 election.

Arizona says they did: https://www.newsmax.com/us/arizona-g...15/id/1001721/

[Stobey]

I thought that several of the "contested" states sent 2 sets of electors.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Paslode

At least of late there were few if any choices, it was more of whom Trump had to settle for.

True - to a certain degree - but, doesn’t that sound strange to you? These legal folks are, after-all in business. Do you think there could be any legitimate non-political reasons Trump settled ? Hell, even OJ got the dream team and Trump certainly has bank.

There are conservative lawyers and legal scholars out there - but perhaps they might not have told the president what he wanted to hear.

Rudy did a pretty fair job of undermining his own credibility - some of his appearances on TV made me stop and think whether this really was the same guy who took down the NY mafia families. MOO. YMMV.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by tonyz

True - to a certain degree - but, doesn’t that sound strange to you? These legal folks are, after-all in business. Do you think there could be any legitimate non-political reasons Trump settled ? Hell, even OJ got the dream team and Trump certainly has bank.

There are conservative lawyers and legal scholars out there - but perhaps they might not have told the president what he wanted to hear.

Rudy did a pretty fair job of undermining his own credibility - some of his appearances on TV made me stop and think whether this really was the same guy who took down the NY mafia families. MOO. YMMV.

Strange? Yes and No, but not really.

It's as strange as Dan Cathy repenting racism by shining a Black Man's shoes...

If we go to that quote often reference to Ben Franklin "Those who would give up essential Liberty, ... those who would trade privacy for a bit of security deserve neither privacy nor security" it give us a kind of road map to what, in some instances, may have occurred.

If you recall, several of the people and/or firms that were going to represent Trump backed out because of threats to their person and/or business. These persons and entities discarded their liberties to secure their livelihoods. And of course when one does that they lose both to some extent.

There is the possibility that some left because of the Freak Show that has been Rudy, Crazy Lin and the Kracken. Weeks and weeks of BOOM! BIG news tomorrow and nothing ever came of it. It was interesting to see Jay Sekulow disappear after the Texas denial. I would caulk much of it up to a disinformation PSYOP, Censorship, Grifting like Jimmy Swaggert and I think one may have gotten in way over their head. The PSYOP and Censorship are facts, grifters and getting in over ones head are speculation. There is always the possibility that many of the sworn affidavits were entered by Democratic/RINO OP's to overwhelm the system and undermine the efforts of those attempting to help Trump.


The efforts to stymie the 'Bogus Claims' of election fraud, and to legitimize Biden were also off the charts......and that is in my mind the all important question, why put that much time, money and effort to discredit/undermine something that is alleged to be a complete farce.

[tonyz]

Pas, no doubt the past few months have been a circus.

But, top lawyers and top firms take on tough, even wildly unpopular cases when the facts and the law line up - especially when the client can pay. And, as they say the publicity of winning is priceless...look at attorney Jose Baez who successfully defended accused child murderer Casey Anthony (perhaps one of the most unpopular persons ever). I could go on and on. IMO, from what I have read, Trump may not have had the legal “A” team and some of the arguments were...well...the courts have rejected what has been submitted in multiple venues and even by Trump appointed judges. And, never forget, judges are human, too. That chapter is however over. Congress has certified the results.

It is time to look forward - the leftists have the bulk of the political cards at the moment and it does not appear that pre-election calls for unity are now being pursued by the the sock puppet president-elect.

The suppression of speech by big tech should be of concern to all.

[Old Dog New Trick]

It’s very interesting how much control this BLM supporter (Sullivan) has over the group and the police. I guess the color of your skin now is a qualifier for unabated access to restricted areas and blinded acceptance.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/self-pro...AUf6-pvwwWSabs

I read somewhere else someone in the group of patriots in this group saying there was this “one guy” in the group that was being very “animated” and “excited” jumping about and egging people on. I’m guessing now, that it’s Sullivan and he edited his filming to show only what he wanted people like Anderson Cooper to see.

It sounds very much like in this article Sullivan is more than likely the instigator who said the right things “gun, gun, he’s got a gun!” to get someone shot, someone who was standing right in front of at least five other police officers in the stairwell. But the officer inside the door panicked and fired his weapon without actually being threatened by anyone. Ashli Babbit likely saved the officer in the stairwell from getting shot in the face as that’s who is directly below and behind her at the time the shot is fired from inside the barricaded door.

But hey, there was no mention of her death in the news today so it’s all cool now! A police officer died of a medical issue (and yes that is very sad) but long after he died the USCP spokesman said no police had died but now it’s a murder investigation so at least they are investigating one murder. Could you imagine if a black man was shot by a white officer and not a white woman shot by a black officer...I mean BLM would be marching on the WH and Capital with Molotov cocktails and pitchforks by now screaming “say her name!”

[Yes, I’m being portentous about race but I don’t pretend to make this about race, only that these are facts involving the intentional shooting and homicide of a young woman who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and if she wasn’t so passionate about her patriotism she wouldn’t have been there at all.]

More questions than answers but it seems the media has moved on from this tragic event because the narrative will not end well for the investigation and the USCP/USSS officer that indiscriminately fired his weapon into a crowded hallway leading to the death of an unarmed and non violent person.

[tonyz]

RIP Ashli Babbit.

I’ve watched the videos of her death.

I do not know the specific details of her presence at the Capitol Building - but she is certainly a casualty of this conflict - RIP.

[rsdengler]

Originally Posted by tonyz

RIP Ashli Babbit.

I’ve watched the videos of her death.

I do not know the specific details of her presence at the Capitol Building - but she is certainly a casualty of this conflict - RIP.

I’ve seen a few of those videos and it’s just so sad and such a waste. RIP Ashli....

[GratefulCitizen]

The current behavior by media, Democrats, and big tech doesn’t demonstrate confidence.
Considering that they just “won”, it looks like panic.

Media can’t stop talking about Trump.
They are the captain Ahab who finally got their orange whale.

Democrats are calling for removal via the 25th amendment, new impeachment, etc.
They may have just realized that stealing an election angered over half the country (the well-armed half) and are going back to the only play in their playbook.

Big tech muzzled Trump, which is driving huge numbers to Parler.
Google and Apple suspended the app for Parler, but this will just have a Streisand effect.

There’s also interesting things happening in the culture war.
Even liberals are mocking the “fact checkers” so prevalent online, and woke entertainment is being discarded due to lack of profitability.

In terms of woke entertainment failing, the civil war within Lucasfilm may be the best example.
Jon Favreau, Dave Filoni, and George Lucas have reversed course for the Star Wars universe showing tremendous profit potential which in turn has led to Disney ushering Kathleen Kennedy and her woke cohorts out the door.

The dems may hold political power for now, but their hold is tenuous.
They look scared.

“Politics is downstream from culture.”
-Andrew Breitbart

[RCummings]

From my limited perspective it appears that the ability to communicate uncensored is under attack on almost all platforms. Amateur radio, CB radio look like the stocks to buy. Seems I read somewhere that it's a good idea to control the comms of the enemy early. Badger52, I am still working on my Tech and have a FT60 in hand and a Uniden on the way.

V/R

[PSM]

FWIW, if the SHTF, having a license won't matter. The feqs, times, call signs (passwords), etc. are what will be important. I remember in the late '70s and '80s the "whistle" comms on HF from Mexico or SA. Plus a lot of OTP comms. Still good tools, but I can't whistle well.

[Old Dog New Trick]

GC, I concur something is just not right with the Left. They took something that didn’t belong to them through overwhelming abuse of power, lies and manipulation of the counting process and had complete control of the media from Tinseltown to the Beltway and the Big Apple and yet like you opine they are scared of what some tens of thousands of people were capable of doing in moments. They made them truly scared in the place they felt was their safe space. A few hundred mostly “peaceful protesters” (no, really this time they didn’t come to break anything or burn it all down) took over their inner sanctuary and forced them into underground bunkers (much like Stalin did to the millions of scared and feeble citizens of Leningrad) many of the most powerful men and women on earth, (members of the US Congress) “they all cowered silently in their places, seeming to know in advance that some terrible thing was about to happen.” (yes their hero - George Orwell)

Maybe just maybe they know there are at least 78-million (to 150-million) pissed off real Americans with over 300,000,000 guns and all the ammo that been available for the last 20 years against their made up 80-million mostly anti-gun snowflakes below the age of 35 or dead and have been dead for some time, or the mostly made up numbers like the 500,000 people Stacy Abrams created out of thin air in Georgia. In fact it may become noticeable over the next few weeks and months that all those people who voted for ByeThen&Harry Heels Up are either totally fictional or live completely on government sustenance and are incapable of leaving their Rascal scooter due to severe obesity, chronic health problems or are totally dependent on mass transit (which will be the first to fall in a civil disobedience revolution from the right) to get from the housing projects to the Social Security Office and don’t even know how to register to vote let alone have never voted before in their life and did not vote again in November.

Just maybe, maybe So Joe will spill the beans during a lucid moment of clarity in front of millions on Inauguration Day due to his declining health and increasing dementia and say something like he did when he said, “we have built the largest fraud network in American history.” Maybe he will do it again and say, “we spent hundreds of dollars, no millions of dollars (he meant to say billions but you know numbers are not his strong point) of the first COVID relief bill money to defeat Donald Trump, we learned from Hillary’s loss in 2016 what needed to be done in the battleground states and this time we executed a plan with our foreign partners in China, Iran, Canada and Europe to change the votes from Trump to Biden with the help of Dominion voting machines made in China under the direct supervision of people my son Beau, no wait Hunter, knows. My son Hunter is the smartest person I know when he’s sober and he has done more for our family than anyone I know...he really has been the key to this whole thing!” “I’m also, so thankful for the FBI to have taken possession of his laptop when it went missing, because you know there was a lot of information on it that could have derailed this whole thing...because of his drug and prostitution addiction following the death of his brother and the affair he had with his brother’s wife we nearly messed this whole thing up and I know that Barrack had warned me several times to kill him off years ago, but after losing Beau I just couldn’t do it.” “You know it runs in the family, my wife, my wife Jill Biden cheated on her husband with me after my first wife and daughter died in a car wreck, I had let Ted Kennedy drive them home that night because I was meeting Jill for drinks after work and the train was running late.” “I can also tell you now that I’m going to be President in a few minutes for a few minutes and before they kill me, that the only reason Barrack chose me as his running mate in 2008 was because I could get the white supremacy vote, and well, you know as a friend of the KKK that was very important to get the first black man in America elected.” “And one last thing here before this guy here, you know this guy...he’s been on our side ever since George and I sat down and concocted this whole John Roberts is a conservative justice story so he could sail right through the confirmation process with the Republicans in the Senate majority. You know I was the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee at the time before, and we had to get this done because I wasn’t able to keep that negro Thomas off the jurist bench even though we tried to set him up with the whole Anita Hill story. Boy did we learn a lot from that one to use against Kavanaugh or who ever it was if a Republican had ever won the Presidency again, we had talked with Dr. Christine Blasey Ford years and years ago when she came to our attention during the psychoanalysis into Anita Hill to keep him or anyone off the bench but lost. Before that it was unfortunate but a necessary evil to ask Hillary for help with Scalia being in the way so many times before Barrack was to step down at the end of his second administration but she came through and that’s why she was going to replace Barrack, but then we weren’t able to get Garland seated and then Hillary lost to Trump. I know I’m rambling here, there is just so much I want to tell you all...So before John Roberts swears me in as your next President of the United States of America I just thought you should know we are going to stack the courts in the first 100 days of Kamala’s administration and John Roberts isn’t going to stand in the way, that’s why we made him Chief Justice back then, he came to us and said whatever you need in the future I’m your man...he has kept his word and been rewarded many times over what his salary is...just wanted to clear the air on that. Barrack and Michelle Obama are going to be seated on the Supreme Court as the first married couple to sit there for life and the first thing they are going to do is take away your guns.” “That’s the promise I made to Barrack when he chose me to be his VP and why I won over Bernie and all the others...they were all just too far left for the lie to work but they are all going to have a seat at the table led by Kamala as I’ll be bowing out due to medical reasons sometime before the end of the day, before they enact the 25th amendment against me...[laughs with silly stupid grin!”]

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by RCummings

Badger52, I am still working on my Tech and have a FT60 in hand and a Uniden on the way.

V/R

Keep studying, all the way to the General. For the time being the license will matter some. PSM is correct, however, in true SHTF it'll be a free-for-all. The knowledgeable with narrow-band capability that have compatriots with OTP mechanisms in place. This is stuff best done yesterday, but start anyway.

[Box]

It's too bad more Americans arent familiar with classic bits like 'The Prince' - and 'The Art of War' maybe even take a few minutes thinking about Clauswitz and his Trinity to understand why big tech and the politicians controlling them do the things they do...
-primordial violence, hatred, and enmity (the people)
-the play of chance and probability (elected representatives)
-elements of subordination as an instrument of policy (the whole of government)


The first part of that trinity - violence, hatred, and enmity - isn't hard to see in present-day America but where does it come from? Did Americans just ingest a bad batch of chicken nuggets that transformed us all into savages bent on doing the stupid? No, a trinity doesn't work that way - but what value can mobs of angry people out doing the stupid possibly have for those elected that so deftly mismanage the public trust from their shining castle a top capitol hill?


The play of chance and probability requires players just like chess and checkers require pieces. I believe it was a prominent activist member of the democrat party that once proudly stated on TV "never let a good crisis go to waste"
- Chance is unpredictable - you never know when or where a "good" crisis will rear its ugly head. Probability, on the other hand, is VERY predictable. What are the REAL mathematical chances that on any given day, George Zimmerman shoots a thug to death in self-defense? What are the chances on any given day, that a cop would be accosted in his car and then shoot a guy to death that had only moments earlier robbed a convenience store? What are the chances that a career criminal would try to pass counterfeit money, resist arrest, and then later die from a combination of a drug overdose, asphyxia, and a list of other health problems, secondary to excited delirium? What are the chances that on any given day six police officers in Baltimore (three of them being people of color) would "conspire to take Freddie Gray for a "rough ride" - What are the "chances" of those things happening?
Do the math - I'll wait.
- OK, now that you have your numbers, let me pose another point to consider - what is the probability that a politician blowing a racism dog whistle on national TV will incite rioting? What is the probability that a stream of talking heads on the news will incite a large scale public response? What is the probability that Pelosi, Harris, Cortez, and Walters encouraging protests will cause the response to spread? What is the probability that a legion of elected leaders donning slave cloth scarfs and kneeling in support of the rioting will further embolden the protests?
The math is a LOT easier to figure on that one isn't it...
- Clauswitz wrote, "the great beam turns on its iron pivot with a minimum of friction" as he discussed the play of chance and probability because friction is the most overlooked components of warfare. Those who disregard friction usually find themselves in the losers bracket. It's why so many Republicans look like amateurs on the public stage. Republicans as a group FEAR friction. Democrats embrace it - they even cultivate it - most importantly - they manage it. They manipulate that friction to continuously press their agenda. It's why their messaging is so constant across such a broad swath of media platforms. Democrats have become masters of deterministic chaos. Too many republicans just want to virtue signal. It's why the democrats are CONTINUING to attack President Trump even though he has been defeated. They need to REMOVE the chance that he will continue to impact their goals. The PROBABILITY that an empowered President Trump will provide a foil to their goals is quite high - unless they can reduce the CHANCE that he can continue interacting.


Lastly, we have the elements of subordination as an instrument of policy. This is the dangerous part of the trinity because the element of subordination is what inflames and incites primordial violence, hatred, and enmity. Shoot an "innocent unarmed black man" and we WILL riot. Refuse to use the correct pronoun, and we WILL cancel your business. Commit fraud during an election and we WILL march on city hall. It is the play of chance and probability that allow politicians to further their agenda.
Consider this - democrats as a party are opposed to capital punishment and yet Bill Clinton still signed the AEDPA when it came across his desk. That law would have NEVER passed but for the evil behavior of Timothy Mcveigh. What are the consequences though? Local systems that already had documented histories of wrongful convictions, prosecutorial misconduct, shitty judges, and shittier police work were now empowered to do even shittier police work with even less judicial quality because 'muh terrorism - and make no mistakes - that legislation was the president that led right into the patriot act a few years later. All of this going on simultaneously during the shit show that WAS the OJ Simpson didn't kill his wife trial. The government takes the play of chance and probability and uses it to bludgeon the American people with ever-increasing piles of unneeded and poorly executed instruments of policy. Where does increased government overreach and oppressive public policy lead to? It completes the triangle of the trinity and leads right back into violence, hatred, and enmity.
- Add a pinch of Machiavellian political theory and a dash of the joy it must be to have a nine-digit offshore bank account and an expense account funded by the peasants and it isn't hard to see why Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.






I have spoken.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Chance or probability?

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...icle-1.2186329

Remind me again what Anti-Terrorism law this spawned and signed by WJC that had been hung up in court before this tragic incident?

ETA: Here found it: H.R. 3953 (104th): Aviation Security and Anti Terrorism Act (Like it helped deter 09.11.2001 or provide a road map?)

And lets not forget the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Bombing and FBI investigation of the wrong guy...