National Review is Against Trump

[tonyz]

IMO...they all have warts...some more than others.

The best interests of the nation must be the focus.

Primary leaders at the moment (it's no wonder this process is uncomfortable):

Democrats:
1).A criminal
2).A socialist/communist
3).An incompetent

Republicans:
1).A boorish business man - albeit a self-promoting genius and political opportunist shaking the establishment of both parties
2).A Tea Party Senator/consitutional advocate - shaking up the party
3).Various folks move in and out of this third spot...each better for the country than the Dems as outlined above.

A "third term" for BHO will be terminal for the nation as we know it...the fundamental transformation will be in place.

Western Europe (and all their problems) is a crystal clear indication of where the Dems want to take this nation.

[abc_123]

Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

Yep, and I guarantee that Trump is not going to appoint conservatives.

I don't know about the guarantee.. but this is a very strong point for cruz.

[Paslode]

Having worked for some lesbians activists, I found their biggest fear was not Cruz, it was that Trump would become President and he would reverse everything they have achieved under Zero.

They view Trump in the context of Hitler.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by tonyz

3).Various folks move in and out of this third spot...each better for the country than the Dems as outlined above.

I haven't counted the dark horse (Bush) and his juggernaut out, yet.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Dusty

I haven't counted the dark horse (Bush) and his juggernaut out, yet.

Concur. It is a reasonable possibility.

#1 and #2 bash each other's brains...conservatives cannibalize their candidates in the primary build up...the juggernaut puts an "acceptable" DC player in position...

Obama term 3 light...(strike that overstatement re Jeb being Obama term 3 light...more like another BIG Government Republicrat) versus a pick your poison Statist...Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden or both may be in that Dem list too, depending...

Let's hope we don't go there.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Dusty

I haven't counted the dark horse (Bush) and his juggernaut out, yet.

Yeah, but it is too the point where people are sick of voting for the lesser of two evils. A vote for Bush or Clinton is a vote for a continuation of the same BS. So I see a lot of people sitting the election out if Rove & Co weasle Little Jebby in for the nomination.

I just don't see Jeb and his Plan toppling Hillary or Sanders. He is too much of a whiner.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Paslode

Yeah, but it is too the point where people are sick of voting for the lesser of two evils. A vote for Bush or Clinton is a vote for a continuation of the same BS. So I see a lot of people sitting the election out if Rove & Co weasle Little Jebby in for the nomination.

I just don't see Jeb and his Plan toppling Hillary or Sanders. He is too much of a whiner.

Makes sense.

There will be a PONR for HRC, in my opinion, re: indictments. Sanders only has the kooks and idiots to back him up. There won't be a groundswell for the dem candidate this time.

My prediction: Trump survives the lib attacks, wins, goes tandem with Cruz, opens the pipeline, nips illegal immigration in the bud, opens up a surgical removal of the daesh and bombs Teheran level. At some point, he will go up to certain libs who have to exit the admin, get in their faces, and say, "You're fired."
I believe this is the future Bibi is betting on, as well.

[(1VB)compforce]

Originally Posted by Dusty

At some point, he will go up to certain libs who have to exit the admin, get in their faces, and say, "You're fired."

I like it, let's do it publically.... White House Apprentice

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Makes sense.

There will be a PONR for HRC, in my opinion, re: indictments. Sanders only has the kooks and idiots to back him up. There won't be a groundswell for the dem candidate this time.

My prediction: Trump survives the lib attacks, wins, goes tandem with Cruz, opens the pipeline, nips illegal immigration in the bud, opens up a surgical removal of the daesh and bombs Teheran level. At some point, he will go up to certain libs who have to exit the admin, get in their faces, and say, "You're fired."
I believe this is the future Bibi is betting on, as well.

I hear people discuss how Trump doesn't have the experience needed, he doesn't know foreign policy. he is not a politician...and the first thing that comes to mind is Benghazi and the absolute mess the Arab Spring has become on the 'Experienced Politicians' watch.

So you are either voting for a sure continuation of Benghazi like foreign policy or take a chance and vote for the possibility of something different.

For some it would be nice to hear You're Fired along with a perp walk to life sentence w/o parole

[UWOA (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Paslode

I hear people discuss how Trump doesn't have the experience needed, he doesn't know foreign policy. he is not a politician...and the first thing that comes to mind is Benghazi and the absolute mess the Arab Spring has become on the 'Experienced Politicians' watch.

So you are either voting for a sure continuation of Benghazi like foreign policy or take a chance and vote for the possibility of something different.

For some it would be nice to hear You're Fired along with a perp walk to life sentence w/o parole

Based on what you're saying, we don't need SFQC ... or experience. Go figure ....

Me, I figure the next President needs the right kind of training (i.e. job path) and the right kind of experience. Not much to choose from right now.

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[GratefulCitizen]

Trump compared to anyone else, of any political party, is a case of the devil you don't know vs the devil you do know.
It is difficult to predict what the man would do given the powers of the office.

Many voters are exasperated by the lather, rinse, repeat of the federal government.
They've been pushed to the point where they're willing to roll the dice on a dangerous bet.

Many entrenched in power will lose if he's elected.
Whether the people at large would also lose is an unknown.

[Guymullins]

If I were American, the thing I would be most worried about is the famous Checks and Balances built into the Constitution and political system.
These don't seem to have worked very well with the current President and because of that, I would worry that they wouldn't work with any new President too.
It seemed that the people were powerless in stopping Obama from doing stupid or even traitorous things and if the Donald proves to be another loose cannon, albeit in another way, will the people be able to stop him doing stupid things?

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by UWOA

Based on what you're saying, we don't need SFQC ... or experience. Go figure ....

Me, I figure the next President needs the right kind of training (i.e. job path) and the right kind of experience. Not much to choose from right now.

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I did not mention anything about SFQC, but it takes far more than whoring yourself to pass the course. Qualifications for SF and DC is like comparing apples to oranges.

The choices aren't all that great, very true. The choice haven't been that great for quite awhile, and every cycle we continue the insanity by voting for the preceived lesser of two evils. The last two lacky's that come to mind were John McCain and Mitt Romney and both were complete jokes.

So if you don't mind a continuation of the DC circus and its insane clown posse by all means vote for Hillary or Jeb, and kick the can down the road for another 4-8 years. A vote for Hillary is a vote for more Benghazi's. A vote for Jeb means fours years of him tellng eveyone he has a plan and hearing what a genuis Karl Rove is.


Nothing is ever going to change as long as you keep playing their game.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

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They've been pushed to the point where they're willing to roll the dice on a dangerous bet..

Anyway you look at it this could be the final roll of the game, and the choices are all dangerous. And with that in mind, Jeb, Hillary and Sanders are all losing bets and you are rolling for either Cruz or Trump to take you to the promised land.

Originally Posted by TRUMP

I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters

[UWOA (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Paslode

I did not mention anything about SFQC, but it takes far more than whoring yourself to pass the course. Qualifications for SF and DC is like comparing apples to oranges.

The choices aren't all that great, very true. The choice haven't been that great for quite awhile, and every cycle we continue the insanity by voting for the preceived lesser of two evils. The last two lacky's that come to mind were John McCain and Mitt Romney and both were complete jokes.

So if you don't mind a continuation of the DC circus and its insane clown posse by all means vote for Hillary or Jeb, and kick the can down the road for another 4-8 years. A vote for Hillary is a vote for more Benghazi's. A vote for Jeb means fours years of him tellng eveyone he has a plan and hearing what a genuis Karl Rove is.


Nothing is ever going to change as long as you keep playing their game.

I was using SFQC premise as an analogy counter to you alluding that neither training nor experience should be deciding factors in selecting/voting for a candidate ... also, given the nature of the process you're always going to be faced with picking 'the lesser of two evils' -- because none of the choices are perfect, so your statement is disingenuous at best; otherwise, based on your subsequent statement it seems we are more in agreement than disagreement ....

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