03-17-2013, 11:33
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Must be the same guys......  (Unions don't fire people for being incompetent they promote them.........)
NYPD: 9 shooting bystander victims hit by police gunfire
Published August 25, 2012
Associated Press
NEW YORK – All nine people wounded during a dramatic confrontation between police and a gunman outside the Empire State Building were struck by bullets fired by the two officers, police said Saturday, citing ballistics evidence.
The veteran patrolmen who opened fire on the suit-wearing gunman, Jeffrey Johnson, had only an instant to react when he whirled and pointed a .45-caliber pistol as they approached him from behind on a busy sidewalk.
Officer Craig Matthews shot seven times. Officer Robert Sinishtaj fired nine times, police said. Neither had ever fired their weapons before on a patrol.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/25...#ixzz2NorLGDuR
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ad.php?t=39304
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/25...olice-gunfire/
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03-17-2013, 11:42
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Okie - I was thinking the same thing.
Well I've seen military guys do the same thing. Even with a Elcan!!
BLUF - Shows poor PCI and PCC by individuals and team mates. Those other SWAT Officers let him roll out like that. They all should have seen that the sight was on backwards.
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03-17-2013, 12:22
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And why would he stage a photo like that???? What is e logic in that ?
It is one thing doing stupid photos with the guys on a range but during an live standoff? Earth to Harley come in,!!!!!!!
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Not that the sight being on reverse was staged, but the overall picture. The picture as is does not make sense. Unless they all just sort of got into a position for a camera op real quick. So much in the pic just looks wrong, I hope it was not from a real operation.
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03-17-2013, 14:00
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Not that the sight being on reverse was staged, but the overall picture. The picture as is does not make sense. Unless they all just sort of got into a position for a camera op real quick. So much in the pic just looks wrong, I hope it was not from a real operation.
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Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction...to me the two different photos look legit...I think that he was "as fucked up as he wanted to be"...
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03-17-2013, 15:07
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So, what's being stated with this thread? That HRT is incompetent? That their record of botched standoffs can now be explained?
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I am not sure what you are referring to. The the hero with the backwards sight was not HRT.
I was pointing out HRT involvement to explain why it went as well as it did given some of the people involved.
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03-17-2013, 15:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 69harley
Not that the sight being on reverse was staged, but the overall picture. The picture as is does not make sense. Unless they all just sort of got into a position for a camera op real quick. So much in the pic just looks wrong, I hope it was not from a real operation.
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Nope. Not a staged photo opn but they are in position working the situation.......
The video supports it. Reality is a bitch sometimes.
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03-17-2013, 15:50
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Haven't seen the video yet, curious how the officer with the shotgun does.
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03-17-2013, 18:55
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Seeing the second photo above, it is clear that both dumbsh!ts without helmets are pointing their weapons through the inside of the Hummv (open hatch) so I guess their plan is to engage the bad person if he should so enter the street by first shooting through the windshield.
There is so much wrong with this group of clowns that I hope and pray they stay out of our elementary (public) schools. 
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03-17-2013, 19:28
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Interesting, I check my rifle under controlled conditions and dirty the barrel at minimum every two weeks if its being used, more so for even a lot number change, let alone a good tumble.
After spending a weekend with an ex-pro football player whom they were interested in, sounded to me like they were quite exceptional at their job. Meaning: The probability of it ending well for you if they showed up would be zero, unless of course you gave up.
Must of been because of the sequester... 
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03-17-2013, 19:45
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the shotguns are so they can fire two rounds through the door...
...THATS probably why things turned out so well.
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03-18-2013, 14:05
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At least he has his Iron sights up on the M-4.......
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03-18-2013, 14:52
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Originally Posted by DocIllinois
A big thanks to the K9 to ensure no one was hurt, condolences out to his handlers.
So, what's being stated with this thread? That HRT is incompetent? That their record of botched standoffs can now be explained?
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Perhaps that the militarization of municipal police departments which do not possess the resources requisite to maintaining officers' proficiency in small unit tactics is inappropriate and dangerous.
I think it's a more-than-fair point.
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03-18-2013, 14:59
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At least he has his Iron sights up on the M-4....... |
lol " Me like iron sight. Me no like light in eye. How turn off?"
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03-18-2013, 17:34
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At least he has his Iron sights up on the M-4....... |
But it looks like the short rear sight.... 
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03-18-2013, 17:58
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Hell, I've turned an M4 front sight post 180 degrees. Seemed to still work fine. |
Front sight post is visible from either direction, an EOTECH isn't.
Stop trying to defend the indefensible. The guy was fucked up and thats what he was called on - I would do the same thing if he were SF.
As for your break from the net, maybe you need to get your panties out of a wad.
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