NYPD: 9 shooting bystander victims hit by police gunfire

[BMT (RIP)]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/25...olice-gunfire/

Mayor probably does not allow range time as it's too violent!!

BMT

[Dusty]

Doomberg lets his cops have guns?

[PRB]

WE, the US Army, thru JTF6 built a great range complex for the NY cops when Guiliani was Mayor.
Prior to that they had to qualify on a 15 meter target range once a year...I believe it was 50 rounds, offhand, standing straight up with a two hand grip...no time limit.....no stress...
I don't know it they use the shoot house we built (their equipment and material...we provided the 12B's)...nice deal with city streets, stop lights and 3 story buildings.
That 'train like you fight' MTT may have to redo it's POI.

[mojaveman]

If New York is anything like California those folks who were wounded are going to be padding their bank accounts pretty soon.

[Richard]

NYPD Training Bureau | Police Academy l Firearms and Tactics Training

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/tr...m_tatics.shtml

Evaluation of the New York City Police Department Firearm Training and Firearm-Discharge Review Process
Rand Center On Quality Policing, 2008

http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2008/RAND_MG717.pdf

Richard

[Team Sergeant]

Inexcusable and gross criminal negligence.

I'm sure their actions will be defended by the idiot mayor. As a former bodyguard to the American Ambassador and a Senator I can say without a doubt you don't shoot into the crowd and pray you hit the bad man. You close with the badman to a distance you know you will hit him without hitting bystanders.

I see some very major lawsuits coming from this shooting.

Inexcusable and gross criminal negligence.

[Ape Man]

For those without the time to read Richard's links the following quote from the Rand report captures the basic problem...

NYPD officers are required to requalify on their firearms twice a year. While
the requalification course meets the standards required by New York and is consistent with national norms, shooting at paper targets on a known-distance range does not demonstrate that the officer has mastered his or her firearm and is ready for a shooting confrontation on the streets. While the NYPD has several advanced ranges that better prepare officers for confrontations that may involve firearms, the size of the department and logistical considerations prevent them from being used as part of the semiannual requalification program for the vast majority of officers.

[Dusty]

NY's come a long way since the Cirillo days.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Ape Man

For those without the time to read Richard's links the following quote from the Rand report captures the basic problem...

NYPD officers are required to requalify on their firearms twice a year. While
the requalification course meets the standards required by New York and is consistent with national norms, shooting at paper targets on a known-distance range does not demonstrate that the officer has mastered his or her firearm and is ready for a shooting confrontation on the streets. While the NYPD has several advanced ranges that better prepare officers for confrontations that may involve firearms, the size of the department and logistical considerations prevent them from being used as part of the semiannual requalification program for the vast majority of officers.

Rand, what a wonderful think tank, they need to get their heads our of their collective arses. Sorry, but guess who else qualifies only twice a year? Yup the entire military as far as I know.

Qualifying only twice a year is not the reason those NYPD officers fired into a crowd of people, they did so because they were scared shitless and they were incompetent.

From a city run by morons I expect no less.

So now if you are in an active shooter situation you sure as hell don't want to be in NYC cause the cops will kill you also.

I wonder if they got their training from Blackwater?

[blue02hd]

I love how you all jump on the cops for this, when it is clearly evident to me that they were using crooked bullets. Consider ALL the angles, is all I ask.

[PSM]

NYPD vs. Pitbull video: http://gothamist.com/2012/08/14/grap..._east_vill.php I'm surprised that the dog was the only one hit.

Pat

[mark46th]

I think NYPD should turn in their firearms, issued entrenching tools then sent Giduck's Spetznatz ET training class.

[Leozinho]

Here's CCTV footage of the shooting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W8cHwNuqH4

The officer on our right shooting appears to be shooting one handed?

[BMT (RIP)]

http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot...ase-dozen.html

BMT

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by BMT

http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot...ase-dozen.html

BMT

This ain't one ahh-shite.... there's been a buttload of NYPD shootings that when more than one officer was involved they fired an incredible amount of rounds at one target.

See the story below, they shot and killed an unarmed guy, 50 bullets were fired. I'd say without a doubt they have a long long history of gross weapons incompetence.


NYPD Shooting That Claimed Groom on Wedding Day Stemmed From Undercover Operation
Published November 26, 2006
FoxNews.com


The case of NYPD officers opening fire on an unarmed bachelor party outside a Queens strip club — killing the groom on his wedding day and injuring two — was sent to the local district attorney for review Saturday.


The incident began when a car full of three men rammed into an undercover officer as the group left a bachelor party at the Kalua Cabaret at roughly 4:14 a.m. ET Saturday. Police thought one of the men in the car might have had a gun, and opened fire, unloading 50 rounds and killing Sean Bell, 23.


However, a search of the car uncovered no weapons and details were still unclear.Cont:

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...#ixzz24fGRHQG0