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05-31-2014, 10:41
http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/05/breaking-american-pow-bergdahl-freed-prisoner-exchange/85555/?oref=defense_one_breaking_nl
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Now that will be one interesting book in a few years' time.
Good deal.
I wonder who will play Bowe Bergdahl in the movie?
The Reaper
05-31-2014, 12:06
How many murderers and terrorists did we just give up for a guy who likely walked off base and turned himself in or got snatched up?
Lucky man.
I remember when we did not negotiate with terrorists.
Good plug for SF, BTW.
TR
cowboykpy
05-31-2014, 12:17
While I'm very happy for him and his family, I can't help but be disappointed by the adminstration's decision to conduct an exchange. It feels like O has weakened our stance on negotiating with terrorists with this exchange.
:confused::munchin
Eagle5US
05-31-2014, 14:03
How many murderers and terrorists did we just give up for a guy who likely walked off base and turned himself in or got snatched up?
Lucky man.
I remember when we did not negotiate with terrorists.
Good plug for SF, BTW.
TR
5...we gave up 5 GITMO goobers...
Now that they know we are game...what are the odds they snatch up some more (let's just say they get a couple of females this time) and demand a dozen, aw hell...why not demand THE REST of GITMO be released in another :rolleyes:
cowboykpy
05-31-2014, 15:07
5...we gave up 5 GITMO goobers...
Now that they know we are game...what are the odds they snatch up some more (let's just say they get a couple of females this time) and demand a dozen, aw hell...why not demand THE REST of GITMO be released in another :rolleyes:
Now they know that for at least the next 2.5 years they can get away with it. I'm truly shocked.
Team Sergeant
05-31-2014, 16:11
5...we gave up 5 GITMO goobers...
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Hopefully we infused their food with IR dye that can be picked up by the current drones and send them some departing gifts.....;)
We just traded the most senior 5 bad actors that were held in GITMO...the Taliban CofStaff, Intel head etc, etc.
We dealt with terrorists as a matter of policy.
This is really a stupid, stupid political ploy.
Utah Bob
05-31-2014, 16:40
Hopefully we infused their food with IR dye that can be picked up by the current drones and send them some departing gifts.....;)
A suppository with a pinger maybe? :D
We are at war with an enemy force, irregular indeed, but an enemy none the less. Prisoner exchanges are a normal course of warfare, and I would rather have our man back than pay another penny for Abu Shitbag to stay in the Gitmo Hilton. It doesn't sound like they gave up KSM or any senior AQ from Gitmo. From my point of view, I'll take this over having another POW - he was a POW, just as the Gtimo jackasses are POWs - sitting in Pakistan.
While I'm very happy for him and his family, I can't help but be disappointed by the adminstration's decision to conduct an exchange. It feels like O has weakened our stance on negotiating with terrorists with this exchange.
:confused::munchin
My very same thoughts.
I like to see if a SOFA or another deal is made next week or so.
Stealthed
05-31-2014, 17:29
How many murderers and terrorists did we just give up for a guy who likely walked off base and turned himself in or got snatched up?
Lucky man.
I remember when we did not negotiate with terrorists.
Good plug for SF, BTW.
TR
Have to agree with TR. In my previous unit, one of my NCO's was in the same platoon as Bergdahl when he got captured. While in Afghanistan, we found a picture lying around our tents probably from the previous unit who was based in Alaska, saying, "Free Bergdahl" and had a picture of him. My NCO basically went on a rant on how the guy was a POS who was trying to pussy out of the deployment and decided to walk off the FOB with a compass and a few other things. I know for a fact good men were injured and killed looking for this guy after he decided to go off and try to play Taliban. Also, this is 100% pure speculation by me but, how did he stay alive? Did he give up information/intel about the coordinates of nearby FOBs? Patrol routes? OPs? TTPs? SOPs?
To be truthful, I'm glad he's back but also keep this in mind.
-He walked off the FOB by himself in Afghanistan because he had a change of heart about the war and wanted to go home.
-Some of his fellow comrades were injured and killed after they went looking for him.
-We traded 5 GITMO detainees for him
As many have said, there's a reason we don't negotiate with terrorists. Once you feed the raccoon's, they will keep coming for more. Well... we just fed the raccoon's. Maybe terrorist organizations will move kidnapping American's up a peg or two on the list now?
Also, it really infuriates me that the media and many other people who were lobbying for us to to more aggressively pursue the search for him painted Bergdahl as some kind of hero who had been captured in the heat of battle or something. I get it we never leave anyone behind period. I take that very seriously. I'm glad he's back with his family. But this guy walked off the god damn FOB by himself and wanted to to join the Taliban or get captured. /sigh YMMV but I hope this guy gets prosecuted under UCMJ for being a shit head. :mad:
News reporting when he got on the helo he wrote a note asking "SF?" and showed it to the team -
One of them wrote back "Yes. We've been looking for you."
At that point he broke down.
No Fallen Comrade Left Behind -
As for exchange -
We've bartered with our enemies for our POWs before - and will again.
The Israelis have traded back double and triple digit numbers for just one Israeli soldier.
That's the real world.
Welcome home, Bowe.
One thing that has been reported on before and not coming out currently, is he changed his name and converted to Islam.
Like the one video showing him around what is believed to be TB Commanders or leaders. Suspected of him giving TTP on proper patrolling or Ambushs. I personally wonder what secrets he gave up? Counter IED, Construction of IEDs, weapon maintenance, etc.
Did anyone see the news conference with POTUS and his Pareants?
Did anyone see the news conference with POTUS and his Parents?
Yes, I wanted to puke.
mojaveman
05-31-2014, 19:12
So if he really did desert his post will he now be facing a Court Martial?
TOMAHAWK9521
05-31-2014, 19:15
And yet our state department can't seem to get around to deal with that silly little issue of a Marine chained up just across the border in a Mexican prison for the past 3 months. :mad:
cowboykpy
05-31-2014, 20:38
No Fallen Comrade Left Behind -
As for exchange -
We've bartered with our enemies for our POWs before - and will again.
The Israelis have traded back double and triple digit numbers for just one Israeli soldier.
That's the real world.
Welcome home, Bowe.
I'm not disparaging the idea of no one left behind, and yes we have conducted prisoner exchanges before, but that was with enemies who were also state entities, and professional militaries, not a terrorist group. The conduct of prisoner exchanges has gone on throughout history. MOO we are AMERICA, not Israel, not any other country and we've never negotiated with terrorists before(that I know of). It doesn't matter what other countries have done, we have our policies they have theirs.
cowboykpy
05-31-2014, 20:40
And yet our state department can't seem to get around to deal with that silly little issue of a Marine chained up just across the border in a Mexican prison for the past 3 months. :mad:
Ex-f-ing-zactly bro
Basenshukai
05-31-2014, 21:35
VA debacle... followed by Bergdahl release. I don't believe in coincidence.
I wonder, will the truth of his "capture" ever be revealed? Or, will they cover it up and treat him as a "hero"?
...and the President gets rid of the most high value GITMO detainee's...the reason for keeping the place open...a twofer, good pub and down the road of shutting down GITMO
An explanation from "Dan Witmer"...his reply is in the comments below the Army Times article (http://mobile.armytimes.com/article/20140531/NEWS/305310046).
Sorry, he typed it as one, big run-on paragraph.
RIP to all those lost searching for you, Bowe. :(
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"You want it from the horses mouth?? Here ya go..We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize that the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday."
....and we parlayed for this guy....if what the other soldier wrote is true he should be Courts Martialed and imprisoned.
And yet our state department can't seem to get around to deal with that silly little issue of a Marine chained up just across the border in a Mexican prison for the past 3 months. :mad:
Ha...
different ideaologies associated with each detainee.
-One of them tried to carry assault weapons across international borders.
-One of them left his unit out of discontent.
Which of those two sounds more idealogically connected with the current administration?
I predict this mutt will disavow his service and country, become Senator for Massachusetts and later on Secretary of State.
For anyone interested, there is also a guy on Twitter, @CodyFNfootball, who has been going through his story since 15:01 Sat afternoon, tweet by tweet.
It appears he's being threatened now and is asking if anyone has a lawyer, so wouldn't be surprised if those tweets disappear....
BTW, I have no idea who he is or the validity of his story, but he says he was also serving with Bergdahl at the time he left the post.
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Edited to add:
@th3j35t3r has done a consolidation of Cody's tweets and his story...it's HERE (http://postimg.org/image/ydbxbf6fx/). In reverse chrono order. Start at the bottom of the link.
Apparently Jake Tapper (CNN) and others are in touch with Cody, and he has legal counsel.
This guy is a damn hero. It took balls to do the shit he did...
He stood up to the system when he said "fuck it, I'm out bitches" and walked off his camp...
Then he stayed strong and fooled the Taliban into thinking he was an anti-American convert...
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
...President John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Otherwise, this might possibly be the worst trade since the Boston Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees...
This guy is a damn hero. It took balls to do the shit he did...
Otherwise, this might possibly be the worst trade since the Boston Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees...
This is some weird shiite..
Looks like his father agrees with you,, Billy??
A captured twitter message from Bob Bergdahl, the kid's father,, before it was deleted..
It could be a hack,, but why would anyone do this??
It can not be verified,, so don't let your BP get to HI..
http://twitchy.com/2014/05/31/working-to-free-all-guantanamo-prisoners-tweet-from-account-of-released-soldiers-father-deleted/
Here’s the tweet from Bob Bergdahl’s account, which was published May 28 and deleted Saturday night (at the time of publication the deletion of the tweet has not been acknowledged on the account):
@ABalkhi I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, ameen!—
Robert Bergdahl (@bobbergdahl) May 28, 2014
(1VB)compforce
06-01-2014, 05:12
Now the legal basis for the trade is being called into question:
Top Republicans on the Senate and House armed services committees went so far as to accuse President Obama of having broken the law, which requires the administration to notify Congress before any transfers from Guantanamo are carried out.
“Trading five senior Taliban leaders from detention in Guantanamo Bay for Bergdahl’s release may have consequences for the rest of our forces and all Americans. Our terrorist adversaries now have a strong incentive to capture Americans. That incentive will put our forces in Afghanistan and around the world at even greater risk,” House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard P. McKeon (R-Calif.) and the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, James M. Inhofe (Okla.), said in a joint statement.
Lawmakers were not notified of the Guantanamo detainees’ transfer until after it occurred.
and
Before the current law was enacted at the end of last year, the conditions were even more stringent. However, the administration and some Democrats had pressed for them to be loosened, in part to give them more flexibility to negotiate for Bergdahl’s release.
A senior administration official, agreeing to speak on the condition of anonymity to explain the timing of the congressional notification, acknowledged that the law was not followed. When he signed the law last year, Obama issued a signing statement contending that the notification requirement was an unconstitutional infringement on his powers as commander in chief and that he therefore could override it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bergdahl-release-arrangement-could-threaten-the-safety-of-americans-republicans-say/2014/05/31/35e47a2a-e8ff-11e3-afc6-a1dd9407abcf_print.html
MORE weird shiite..
The Bergdahl's need a spin doctor?? Maybe not...
Jump forward to the 1:15 area and catch his dad's comments..
http://news.yahoo.com/video/raw-president-obama-delivers-remarks-231037894.html
Could someone translate?
Looks like his father agrees with you,, Billy??
Ha...
I doubt me and ole' Bowes daddy have anything in common. I'm just too lazy to use pink font when I am being sarcastic.
MORE weird shiite..
The Bergdahl's need a spin doctor?? Maybe not...
Jump forward to the 1:15 area and catch his dad's comments..
http://news.yahoo.com/video/raw-president-obama-delivers-remarks-231037894.html
Could someone translate?
I'll find the Translation, I've seen it already. It's apart of a Islamic prayer of thanks. One that is said during their daily prayers. You know the 6 different times a day you have stop doing whatever with them during training
One time in Pashto is says that he is his Father. " I am your Father Bowe"
Sorry you could tell by the videos that the Taliban released of him that he was a piece of shit. You can find some of these on YouTube. There is one that All he does is talk shit about our country and say how well they are taking care of him there. In one of the videos he tells his family there is no need to worry for him that he is "safe." Hello!! Nobody that is captured by the Taliban would ever consider himself being safe!!
He walked off his COP and local kids reported he was asking where TB where. The 501st PLT LLVI TM then heard TB talk about having him do that they "had an American come to work for them." This shithead that go, I believe 6 of his platoon members killed looking for him show face the music and be court-martialed. Yet he will not be, I bet he gets some grand parade back home. Guys that were in that PLT and are now out will start popping up and speaking about his diary/journal booklet with all his remarks in it. Like to see if his Emails home to Dad and others every make the light.
This is some weird shiite..
Looks like his father agrees with you,, Billy??
A captured twitter message from Bob Bergdahl, the kid's father,, before it was deleted..
It could be a hack,, but why would anyone do this??
It can not be verified,, so don't let your BP get to HI..
Photo of Tweet, I mean Twit.
Look at Dad's other Twet....hum
All I can say is, them Apple don't fall from the tree.
Not to be to judgmental,, but this guy needs watching..
https://twitter.com/bobbergdahl
Not a lot of pro-USA twits??
:munchin
How are we to believe anything that this administration tells us?
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the U.S. government ‘never forgot Sergeant Bergdahl, nor did we stop working to bring him back’
Hagel insisted steps have been taken in Qatar - where the detainees are due to held for one year - to ensure that the men are properly handled and that U.S. interests ‘will not be compromised.’
A White House official reaffirmed Hagel's remarks in a separate statement to CNN.
'As the Administration has repeatedly affirmed, we will not transfer any detainee from Guantanamo unless the threat the detainee may pose to the United States can be sufficiently mitigated and only when consistent with our humane treatment policy.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644959/These-terrorists-blood-Americans-hands-McCain-leads-Republicans-hit-illegal-Guantanamo-Bay-prisoner-release-exchange-Americas-prisoner-war.html#ixzz33OUjAG7h
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Golf1echo
06-01-2014, 07:39
Ha...
different ideaologies associated with each detainee.
-One of them tried to carry assault weapons across international borders.
-One of them left his unit out of discontent.
Which of those two sounds more idealogically connected with the current administration?
I always wondered if he ever saw this movie?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PxS3CL-IewY
I predict this mutt will disavow his service and country, become Senator for Massachusetts and later on Secretary of State.
Isn't that the darn truth.
RIP Soliers that were killed in action and best to the wounded soldiers that were tasked to look for him, hard to square all that up. Promotion ...how F... Ridiculous that guy owes us all.
His appearance said much about his priorities !
Team Sergeant
06-01-2014, 09:23
I predict this mutt will disavow his service and country, become Senator for Massachusetts and later on Secretary of State.
You forgot one thing:
I predict this mutt will disavow his service and country, marry Gwyneth Paltrow, become Senator for Massachusetts and later on Secretary of State.
barry soetoro:
"What can we to deflect the VA debacle and make me look like a hero?"
Wag the Dog.
Not the first time a POW has been exploited by an Administration / the Media.
Jessica Lynch comes to mind - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/16/army-ranger-who-helped-rescue-pow-jessica-lynch-dies-from-wounds-in-afghanistan/
And Bobby Garwood - http://www.veteranstoday.com/2007/11/27/quot-unsettled-matters-quot-the-pow-mia-issue-garwood/
We'll have to see, as with the two above examples, what truly did occur and given the history of whitewash, cover-ups and exploitation of multiple Administrations over the years...that may be never.
Still glad he's home. Our people, both conventional and SOF, did their jobs.
What his accountability may be is a different matter and he has to be here to bear that burden.
I worked with a man who at the time of his departure was his PL.
He walked, he wanted to integrate with the TB and locals, he got people killed, he disrupted significant planning, preparation and operations.
I was in theater when he went "missing" and I will tell you that even at the start of it, we knew the truth of his disappearance.
I'm concerned that there is too much being glossed over right now and that there were significant things that occurred to US and Afghan forces in the AO once he was in the enemy's hands. Too many convenient things that lead to proficiencies and trademarks. Too many techniques that came "unexplained" at the time.
This man needs to stand trial for treason, and needs to have those fucking stripes removed because he never should have been promoted for being a traitor. He got what he wanted, and then some.
You forgot one thing:
I predict this mutt will disavow his service and country, marry Gwyneth Paltrow, become Senator for Massachusetts and later on Secretary of State.
;) :lifter
Team Sergeant
06-01-2014, 09:57
I worked with a man who at the time of his departure was his PL.
He walked, he wanted to integrate with the TB and locals, he got people killed, he disrupted significant planning, preparation and operations.
I was in theater when he went "missing" and I will tell you that even at the start of it, we knew the truth of his disappearance.
I'm concerned that there is too much being glossed over right now and that there were significant things that occurred to US and Afghan forces in the AO once he was in the enemy's hands. Too many convenient things that lead to proficiencies and trademarks. Too many techniques that came "unexplained" at the time.
This man needs to stand trial for treason, and needs to have those fucking stripes removed because he never should have been promoted for being a traitor. He got what he wanted, and then some.
You give the "private" a lot of credit......
For you "civilians" reading this 5 years ago we heard the same thing, that Bergdahl deserted his unit in combat. That's called treason. Now we're hearing the same story from the men this idiot served with and they are saying the same thing, Bergdahl deserted.
In making this guy a "hero" me thinks barry soetoro's office is about to eat this media story in a big way.
I personally don't care what anyone says about Bergdahl, "except" the men in his unit and they are talking.
Utah Bob
06-01-2014, 10:04
I personally don't care what anyone says about Bergdahl, "except" the men in his unit and they are talking.
We'll see if anybody wants to listen.
It will come out in the wash one way or another.
Jim Butler, the founder of the SOA and former One-Zero for RT PYTHON told me an interesting story about Garwood many years ago now.
Butler and others in CCN were tasked to get any information / intel they could on Garwood.
Intent? Snatch him or kill him.
They knew he was helping the VC.
Butler was part of a team that hit a small village where Garwood was believed staying.
Big firefight ensured.
Jim told me at one point he was (cannot recall exactly - the years have passed) either changing mags or his CAR had jammed.
In any case he was mud-sucked when Bobby Garwood, carrying an AK, rounded the hootch he was taking cover behind.
Butler said he made eye contact with Garwood...Garwood pointed the AK at him...smiled and turned/disappeared from view.
Jim said Garwood had him dead to rights. He offered it was a very, very eerie milli-second in time for him.
The after-action report was filed.
Garwood came home and was duly hammered and left in the wake of history for his actions.
Same will occur with Bowe B now that he's back on U.S. soil if/when the facts come out.
I'll wait for that and in the meantime I'd hate to be from Idaho if it is proven he deserted and aided/abetted the enemy. That is not a friendly state for traitors to reside in..
RIP to all those lost searching for you, Bowe. :(
Aye.
And let's not forget those who died or were injured during the captures of the terrorists the administration thought fit to release.
ProudGSMom
06-01-2014, 12:54
as a Gold Star to other Gold Stars who are defending this guy - If those who were responsible for the death of your loved one received five years, would you consider that justice?
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You give the "private" a lot of credit......
For you "civilians" reading this 5 years ago we heard the same thing, that Bergdahl deserted his unit in combat. That's called treason. Now we're hearing the same story from the men this idiot served with and they are saying the same thing, Bergdahl deserted.
In making this guy a "hero" me thinks barry soetoro's office is about to eat this media story in a big way.
I personally don't care what anyone says about Bergdahl, "except" the men in his unit and they are talking.
There's a big rug with dirt under it.....and many willing to accept that it's out of sight and not their issue.
I hope he and Mzzzz. Paltrow get off on the good foot.
Damocles
06-01-2014, 13:25
MORE weird shiite..
The Bergdahl's need a spin doctor?? Maybe not...
Jump forward to the 1:15 area and catch his dad's comments..
http://news.yahoo.com/video/raw-president-obama-delivers-remarks-231037894.html
Could someone translate?
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/06/01/pows-dad-praises-allah-at-suspicious-rose-garden-press-conference-with-obama-122631
"Appearing with President Obama in a brief Rose Garden event, Robert Bergdahl, the father of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, recited “Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahm,” according to the Daily Caller. In English, that means, “In the name of Allah, most Gracious, most Compassionate.”
Can't help but think we've been hoodwinked.
My money says Bowe is now a super-duper double-agent jihadi (ala Jason Bourne) coming home to lay waste to his local >insert pain-in-the-ass Govt building< in the name of Allah the Peaceful, Allah the Compassionate, Allah the Mouthbreathing Assclown.
Any takers?
TOMAHAWK9521
06-01-2014, 13:41
Ha...
different ideaologies associated with each detainee.
-One of them tried to carry assault weapons across international borders.
-One of them left his unit out of discontent.
Which of those two sounds more idealogically connected with the current administration?
Ah, touché!
Here is a list of the five that were released.
Not a very good trade IMO. :mad:
WASHINGTON, June 1, 2014 — Once U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl safely reached a U.S. base in Germany, a plane carrying five detainees left Guantanamo Bay, Cuba heading to Qatar.
The exchange was arranged through the government of Qatar when concern for Sgt. Bergdahl’s health and safety escalated.
Sgt. Bergdahl was captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan five years ago after he walked away from his post for reasons unknown.
Two years into Bergdahl’s captivity, the Taliban released a video of their prisoner and suggested for the first time a possible exchange of Bergdahl for five named Taliban detainees.
During the negotiations, the Qatar government agreed to take responsibility for the detainees and ensured that they would not leave Qatar for a one year period.
Although American’s are happy for the release of one of their own there is an uncomfortable feeling about the negotiations.
Despite Hagel’s insistence that this was a routine POW exchange, many see it as giving into threats of terrorists.
The Taliban who were released are mid to high level leaders of the Taliban who were detained due to their leadership roles in the Taliban and not for known association with Al-Qaeda, but were also on a list by the Obama administration of detainees that should be held indefinitely.
Below is the information of those released by the United States according to their Guantanamo Dockets, in the exchange for Sgt. Bergdahl:
Abdul Haq Wasiq
Place of Birth: Ghazni, Afghanistan
Date of Birth: 1971
Citizenship: Afghanistan
Recommendation: Recommendation for continued detainment
Assessment: HIGH risk as he is likely to pose a threat to US and allies.
Reason for detainment: This detainee was a high-level Taliban intelligence officer who has direct access to Taliban leadership. He was central to Taliban efforts to form alliances with other Islamic fundamentalist groups to fight against the US and Coalition forces. He also coordinated intelligence training between al-Qaeda and the Taliban
Value: The detainee is considered to be of HIGH intelligence value. He may have in-depth knowledge of high-value terrorists still engaged in hostilities. He should have a working knowledge of Taliban intelligence operations and procedures.
Mullah Norullah Noori
Place of Birth: Shayjoy, Zabul Province, Afghanistan
Date of Birth: 1967
Citizenship: Afghanistan
Recommendation: Recommended for continued detainment
Assessment: HIGH risk as he is likely to pose a threat to US and allies.
Reason for Detainment: Detainee is an admitted senior member of the Taliban and led troops against the US and Coalition forces. He was directly subordinate to Taliban Supreme Leader Mullah Omar, commanded Taliban forces in Northern Afghanistan and in late 2001 was in charge of Taliban troops positioned near Mazar-e-Sharif. The detainee is wanted by UN for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiites. He is also associated with members of al-Qaeda, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, and the Hezb-E-Islami Gulbuddin. He continues to encourage acts of aggression and his brother is a current Taliban commander.
Value: Determined to be of HIGH intelligence value. He has held positions that provided access to sensitive information. Had access to information on weapons, opium trade, money networks and extremist activities. Detainee is considered one of the most significant Taliban officials detained.
Khirullah Said Wali Khairkhwa
Place of Birth: Argastan, Kandahar Province, Afghanistan
Date of Birth: 1967
Citizenship: Afghanistan
Recommendation: Recommended for continued detainment
Assessment: HIGH risk as he is likely to pose a threat to US and allies.
Reason for Detainment: Detainee was a senior Taliban official serving as the Minister of Interior, Governor of Herat and a military commander. He was directly associated to UBL and Mullah Omar and was added to the UN financial freeze list. Detainee attended a meeting at the direction of UBL, along with members of HAMAS. He attended meetings with Iranian officials seeking to support hostilities against the US. He was associated with militant training camp in Heart. He was identified as a narcotics trafficker and became one of the premier opium drug lords in Western Afghanistan. It is believed that he used the profits from the drugs to promote Taliban interests.
Value: Assessed to be of HIGH intelligence value. Detainee was a high level official with connections to many other high ranking officials. Should be able to provide information on Mullah Omar and high ranking Iranian officials. The detainee can provide information on the Opium trade and militant training camps.
Mohammed Nabi Omari
Place of Birth: Metakhan Village, Khowst Province, Afghanistan
Date of Birth: 1968
Citizenship: Afghanistan
Recommendation: Recommended for continued detainment
Assessment: HIGH risk as he is likely to pose a threat to US and allies.
Reason for Detainment: Detainee was a senior Taliban official who served in multiple leadership roles. He has strong ties to active ACM networks including al-Qaeda, the Taliban, the Haqqani Network, and HIG personnel. He was involved in HIG attacks against the US forces and supported extremist elements through weapon smuggling and storage. During detention his behavior was aggressive and non-compliant towards guards and forces. He had more than 37 reports of discipline infractions including one where he threw a cup of feces at the face of a guard and others including mass disturbances, threats, attempted suicide, possession of drugs and damage to property.
Value: He is of HIGH intelligence value. He has knowledge of many high ranking officials, networks and extremist organizations. The detainee is believed to also have information about human smuggling networks through Khowst Province.
Mullah Mohammed Fazl
Place of Birth: Sekzi, Charchineh District, Uruzgan Province, Afghanistan
Date of Birth:1967
Citizenship: Afghanistan
Recommendation: Recommended for continued detainment.
Assessment: HIGH risk as he is likely to pose a threat to US and allies.
Reason for Detainment: Detainee is an admitted senior Taliban official who was assigned to the position of Deputy Minister of Defense. Detainee also served as the Chief of Staff of the Taliban Army and the Commander of the 22nd Division. Detainee is wanted by the UN for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiites. He has association with significant al-Qaeda and other extremist personnel. If released the detainee would likely rejoin the Taliban and reestablish ties with anti-American militias.
Value: He is of HIGH intelligence value. Detainee’s placement and access provided him knowledge on many key individuals, decisions and activities of the Taliban. He has specific information on groups that provided support to the Taliban. Detainee also has significant information on Taliban and al-Qaeda personnel still active today.
http://www.commdiginews.com/news-2/who-are-the-taliban-terrorists-released-by-obama-in-exchange-for-sgt-bergdahl-18676/
Snaquebite
06-01-2014, 14:19
From another SF forum.
"Jake Tapper @ CNN wants to talk to anyone who served with Bergdahl. He wants to get the whole story out there." via CSM J.Mellinger.
jake.tapper@cnn.com
cell 917-593-1685
Tapper wrote "The Outpost" and did an excellent job reporting on that fight--you can expect him to do a good job here.
Great...let's hope some articulate guys stand up.
I'm really getting a hinky feeling with the Dads tweets etc and how this played out.
It almost looks planned from the git go (on the Bergdahl side) but I'm searching for the 5 w's. and may be going a bit far.
Still, the hinky thing is def there.
Snaquebite
06-01-2014, 14:42
Michelle Malkin reminds us
Flashback: A reminder about Bowe Bergdahl’s desertion problem
http://michellemalkin.com/2014/05/31/flashback-a-reminder-about-bowe-bergdahls-desertion-problem/
Here is a list of the five that were released.
Not a very good trade IMO. :mad:
Me, sorry but this is my take on this and let's look at this list here. Ok, so we released five POS from GITMO. So of these prisoners being released by our Government four of them are not Haqqanis, but real Afghan Taliban. Why does this matter, well Bergdahl was being held by the Haqqani network. If you don't know who the Haqqani network, BLUF they are a Mob like crime family IMO not totally Afghan Taliban. So why were four of them Afghan Taliban and not all Haqqani network? That's what makes me think hard today. So only Nabi Omari on this list has any significance ties to the Haqqani network. So why did the Haqqani network only ask for one of their guys? Hell Haji Mali Kahn, a major Haqqani commander is being held at GITMO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees). Kahn is known as the “brain” of the Haqqani network when he was in country, and the uncle of the network’s leader, Sirajuddin Haqqani. Yet he is still sitting in GITMO, I'm thankful for this but makes me question more and more on what is really going. Good or bad.
The Haqqani network has control over much of the Eastern Afghanistan, they only get one of their own back. Really..humm?!?? Sirajuddin and Haqqani network has no real ties to the Quetta/Peshwar Shuras. In fact I say IMO they hate them. Haqqani network, Jalaluddin Haqqani established these strong ties with the ISI going back to the 80's. So for me we release four hard core, TB Military Leaders for a Haqqani network prisoner. Way?? Haqqani network has always asked for money, upwards of over millions. So let's think about that and Haqqani network has always been about making money. That's why they had ties to Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda network.
Well I really question was another deal made last weekend during a surprise visit with U.S. troops. Maybe the Calling or dimming the Kabul CoS was apart of this. Maybe he didn't agree with this exchange. Oh Sorry CoS you're gone, oh you don't want to leave or approve this, name released. To much going on, trends and follow the money is what I always say. Scandal one is covered by scandal, what fourteen? Crazy!?
Team Sergeant
06-01-2014, 14:49
There's not an officer in the United States military willing to give up his career and order the courts martial of this deserter. This is the new America, we know there's dirt under the rug but no ones going to clean it up. Wait until the Taliban release the pictures of the deserter on the rifle range with them and assisting in the making of IED's. barry soetoro's office would be peeing their collective pants.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/army-sergeant-held-taliban-years-finally-free-obama-article-1.1812434
In one of his final emails to his parents, Bergdahl outlined his complaints about the military and expressed his disgust over how the war was being waged.
“I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of U.S. soldier is just the lie of fools,” he wrote in the June 27 email. “I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting.”
If Bergdahl did walk away from his unit, he could be charged with being absent without leave or desertion.
A senior U.S. official told The Associated Press on Saturday that the Army would make the decision on any charges, but the feeling at the moment was that he had suffered enough in his ordeal.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/army-sergeant-held-taliban-years-finally-free-obama-article-1.1812434
ddoering
06-01-2014, 14:51
We should have injected them with smallpox prior to release.
Pvt. Eddie D. Slovik....that'd be a good solution
The Reaper
06-01-2014, 14:57
We should have injected them with smallpox prior to release.
I like the way you think.
TR
CDRODA396
06-01-2014, 16:23
Pvt. Eddie D. Slovik....that'd be a good solution
and I like the way you think.
Oldrotorhead
06-01-2014, 16:34
If enough people from his Unit at the time come forward with evidence that he walked off he MIGHT end up reduced in rank with a BCD, AFTER Congress gets invilved and the elections get closer. There have to be reports taken and written statements from the time he walked off. Otherwise he will get all his back pay and some sort of a "disability" Then he would have no option other than to run for elected office and marry some rich broad.:(
Saw comments by people that were there on the 1/509th Airborne page that they were not only told by superiors to keep quiet about what happened with him, but had to sign non-disclosure papers to that effect. They are still active and fear for their careers if they speak up.
Key question that is physical proof of his deceit or truth telling.
Where is his weapon? Is it still 'on the books'?
If, as he says 'he fell behind on patrol', his weapon would have been a loss and records kept.
I'll bet it is still in the arms room.
Philkilla
06-01-2014, 19:20
Gentlemen, I'd like to add to the discussion if I may:
I spent the last three years in the 1-501st IN BN up at JBER, AK.
The 501st makes up part of 4/25, with the 509th as sister battalion.
Unfortunately I didn't get to experience the deployment in question that created this predicament, but many soldiers I worked with and lead were there and gave me an earful when I didn't know the story about Bergdahl.
In light of recent events personal accounts have been compiled and I'd like to share one with you.
He can explain better than me:
Words from someone on his COP with him...
Forwarded from Jeff Howard. "We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize that the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday."
I'd like to add that he is still on the 501st trackers, and presumably will be until this situation is resolved.
Even wikileaks has part of the story..
http://wikileaks.org/afg/event/2009/06/AFG20090630n1790.html
Attached the 1st & 2nd page..
This is turning into a circus.. :munchin
The Reaper
06-01-2014, 19:24
He is going to get the hero treatment with a parade, a POW Medal (and probably a Bronze Star and Purple Heart), five years of back pay (at one point, they were also giving POWs the max per diem for the highest rate anywhere for every day in captivity), a meal with the POTUS, a GC Discharge, VA disability and pension, and a book deal, TV appearances with a possible movie script, if they can figure out how to spin his desertion in combat as a honorable thing.
Watch and see.
TR
There's not an officer in the United States military willing to give up his career and order the courts martial of this deserter. ]
You're totally right TS, no office will. There has to be done LTC or COL in 501st or somewhere that is getting ready to pay his retirement papers to do the proceedings. Nothing will happen to him, no AWOL, nothing. To top it off he will get all his back pay, combat pay, promotions and POW Pay. Now think about this, all that PTSD and VA benefits because of everything he endured during his captive and POW period.
Yeah I feel he should be ordered that he can't gain any kind of monetary compensation from the last 5 years. He going to be a SEAL off this, going on speaking engagements. I for see him spinning both sides of it all. How life was on the US Base, military, taking about how great the Taliban are, and being a POW.
He is going to get the hero treatment with a parade, a POW Medal (and probably a Bronze Star and Purple Heart), five years of back pay (at one point, they were also giving POWs the max per diem for the highest rate anywhere for every day in captivity), a meal with the POTUS, a GC Discharge, VA disability and pension, and a book deal, TV appearances with a possible movie script, if they can figure out how to spin his desertion in combat as a honorable thing.
Watch and see.
TR
LMAO. . Great minds think alike. I'm writing this while watching the Game.
Badger52
06-01-2014, 19:48
Maybe he'll be so busy with endorsements that he won't be able to sit in the VIP seats at the next State of the Onion.
blsmedic
06-01-2014, 19:52
"One of our sister battalions in the 4/25 brigade is the 509th, the unit 'SGT' Bowe Bergdahl was assigned to and abandoned."
and
"I'd like to add that he is still on the 501st trackers, and presumably will be until this situation is resolved."
Philkilla,
You were right the second time. SGT Bergdahl is 1-501. Not 3-509.
From what I understand about the treatment of Russian prisoners at the hands of the muj, there's no need to worry that poor decisions met regret.
He is going to get the hero treatment with a parade, a POW Medal (and probably a Bronze Star and Purple Heart), five years of back pay (at one point, they were also giving POWs the max per diem for the highest rate anywhere for every day in captivity), a meal with the POTUS, a GC Discharge, VA disability and pension, and a book deal, TV appearances with a possible movie script, if they can figure out how to spin his desertion in combat as a honorable thing.
Watch and see.
TR
It is possible that he may not be looking forward to all that attention, there is an awful lot of info out there regarding this whole mess and it's not all that flattering towards him. You can run but you cannot hide in this country.
My wishes (http://brimstonemissile.com/video-dual-mode-brimstone-direct-hits-mq-9-reaper/) for the Taliban 5.:munchin
The Reaper
06-01-2014, 20:22
It is possible that he may not be looking forward to all that attention, there is an awful lot of info out there regarding this whole mess and it's not all that flattering towards him. You can run but you cannot hide in this country.
The media is going to put their version of events out, and will actively suppress any other version.
Remember Jessica Lynch, and her heroics?
TR
NurseTim
06-01-2014, 20:54
Key question that is physical proof of his deceit or truth telling.
Where is his weapon? Is it still 'on the books'?
If, as he says 'he fell behind on patrol', his weapon would have been a loss and records kept.
I'll bet it is still in the arms room.
How hard would it be for a weapon to go missing? I'm thinking not very hard.
JamesIkanov
06-01-2014, 21:45
I have to wonder if there was some kind of more...... complicated, back room parlor kind of deal. Someone else here earlier outlined that the group asking for the release of these people actually are not very friendly with them..... which made me think several things.
1) They were given up with the understanding that this other group would hold and ransom them against their actual organization.
2) They were given up with an understanding that this other group would torture them for information, perhaps in exchange solely for the member that was released, or perhaps in exchange for a monetary kickback of some kind.
3) They were given up with the understanding that they would be shot shortly after arriving.
4) He may have been what I will term politely as "Rescued because we wanted to, not because we had to." IE, they knew he deserted, or had some other information that is not currently publicly accessible, that would cause them to want to get him back, either for intelligence, to prevent him from giving up something specific, or again for some reason that is not already released.
But hell, I have just about no proof or evidence to suggest any of these things are accurate or likely. Just a few thoughts on the subject.
Detonics
06-01-2014, 22:37
I wonder if Jay Carney was told to prepare the spin on this and said "Woe":eek: "Even I couldn't say this with a straight face! Adios Muchachos, I'm outta here!"
So they hired a Bloomberg associate.
Snaquebite
06-02-2014, 05:36
Afghanis not happy with release
http://www.stripes.com/afghan-government-reacts-angrily-to-prisoner-swap-1.286555
Streck-Fu
06-02-2014, 06:05
From London Times 2010: LINK (http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Afghanistan/article376561.ece)
The only known American soldier in Taliban captivity is training fighters in bombmaking and ambush, according to one of his captors and the Afghan intelligence agents working to free him.
Private Bowe Bergdahl disappeared from an American military base in southeastern Afghanistan in June 2009. Last week The Sunday Times interviewed one of his captors, shedding light on a case that has baffled US military officials.
A Taliban deputy district commander in Paktika province said the 24-year-old American had converted to Islam in the months after his capture. He said Bergdahl, from Idaho’s Sun Valley, had trained Taliban fighters in bomb-making and ambushing convoys.
I have the whole article archived so if you want to read it without subscribing, let me know.
Snaquebite
06-02-2014, 06:13
http://www.bouhammer.com/2014/06/guest-blogger-raven-wolf-bergdahl-how-pride-and-arrogance-kept-us-from-getting-him-back/
Within hours of the reported “DUSTWUN” (Duty Status Whereabouts Unknown) the RC-East Commander initiated a total gag order, preventing any Army unit or Embedded Training Team (ETT) / Police Mentor Team (PMT) team from sharing intelligence with the Afghans. His order was based on his command’s stated belief that the Afghans were complicit in the taking of Bergdahl. The actual motivations came out later in private meetings behind closed doors: he wanted to protect his chances for promotion to O-7 (One Star General).
Snaquebite
06-02-2014, 07:02
I was Just wondering. Isn't it Funny that Bergdahls parents JUST HAPPENED to be in DC when Obuma called them to let them know Bowe had been released
http://www.bouhammer.com/2014/06/guest-blogger-raven-wolf-bergdahl-how-pride-and-arrogance-kept-us-from-getting-him-back/And I'm in agreement on how he went about approaching the situation into finding his location.
A Taliban deputy district commander in Paktika province said the 24-year-old American had converted to Islam in the months after his capture. He said Bergdahl, from Idaho’s Sun Valley, had trained Taliban fighters in bomb-making and ambushing convoys.
No comfort to the enemy can ever be acceptable or taken lightly. But, this individual isn't reported to have been an especially squared away soldier before his great epiphany and sojourn into the blissful life of the Taliban. What could this chap have taught the Taliban they didn't already know? Aren't situational awareness issues especially perishable in that theater? The Taliban were probably very glad to be rid of him. His value to them was surely more as bait than sage tactician. In being bait he was successful.
And I'm in agreement on how he went about approaching the situation into finding his location.
My take,, If Raven-Wolf isn't another SEAL looking for movie rights, he did something big army was apparently unwilling to do and the kid could have been recovered with much less fanfare and in a much shorter time frame.
"The Greatest Show on Earth"
:munchin
Snaquebite
06-02-2014, 08:04
Now there's a petition to punish him under UCMJ
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/punish-bowe-bergdahl-being-awol-desertion-during-operation-enduring-freedom/BVPwpnrN
Now there's a petition to punish him under UCMJ
Out of 1900+ signatures, 72 are from NC??
Even a couple from Ft Bragg.. :D
Be careful..:munchin
Will post to FB..
ProudGSMom
06-02-2014, 08:49
Normally, I'm not very brave. I generally don't publish thoughts that will get the lefties' undies in a bunch. Because I am trying to educate the wider civilian audience, I try not to alienate them with things like truths they don't want to hear. But, it can be an education for me, too, sometimes.
Because I have had contact with one of the moms of the six from Bergdahl's unit, and because I have a natural affinity for all of the GS moms, I decided to write a piece on my site. I had been in the middle of a series on PTS and was very hesitant to break that flow, but my blood was boiling over due to the stupidity and the inanity of so many of my fellow citizens.
So, I come here and feel better, hearing from others who are not afraid of looking at unpleasant truths because they interfere with the narrative. I fear that the civilian/military divide is growing. I truly believe it is worse now than it has ever been in my lifetime.
On the one hand, I'm truly frightened that people really do think these things. On the other hand, I'm glad to hear it because otherwise many of us wouldn't believe people really are that stupid.
I get some pretty vicious and personal attacks, because I am a 'nobody', so they feel safe. My favorite is the demands for proof, and when proofs are offered, they are not good enough. If it doesn't agree with the narrative they want to believe, no proof will suffice.
Then again, in less than 24 hours, with more than 19,000 hits, a few loony tunes don't ruin my day. And the majority of the comments are positive and even appreciative of the effort. But, nearly all of those are from military and veteran readers.
If anyone here would like to go over and slap a few back into their cages, I wouldn't say no. Or, if you want to hear just how bad this whole thing is going to play out, just how on the mark many have you been about what is going to happen to Bergdahl, go take a look. Be warned, blood pressure meds may be in order.
And of course, none of them has said boo about the coinky-dink timing of Shinseki's and Carney's resignations. It's like they really believe Bergdahl's release was a spur of the moment thing. Congratulations to this administration are in order - they have successfully pushed veterans into the background once again.
Thanks for letting me vent.
http://www.chicagonow.com/uncommon-sense/2014/06/bowe-bergdahl-deserter-pow-shinseki-carney-20150601/
Thanks for letting me vent.
http://www.chicagonow.com/uncommon-sense/2014/06/bowe-bergdahl-deserter-pow-shinseki-carney-20150601/
Mom is this your blog post? I would like to post to FB.
Tx
Hold tight
ProudGSMom
06-02-2014, 08:58
Under my pen name ;)
I was Just wondering. Isn't it Funny that Bergdahls parents JUST HAPPENED to be in DC when Obuma called them to let them know Bowe had been released
"The Bergdahls were already in Washington, D.C., for a previously planned trip when they learned Saturday morning that their son had been released in exchange for five former members of the Taliban who were being held at the Guantanamo Bay detention center."
Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/05/31/3212370/president-celebrates-release-of.html?sp=/99/101/#storylink=cpy
"Bob Bergdahl quit his job as a driver for UPS two or three years before retirement so he could spend all his time trying to win the release of his son, Proctor said, adding the family traveled to Washington, D.C., often to meet with officials about their son"
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/31/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-afghanistan/9818563/
Great posting Mom...just great.
Team Sergeant
06-02-2014, 10:06
I'm getting the bigger picture of what's really happening in Americastan, it seems that the spine of the United States Military has been broken and the current "leadership" lives in fear of the politicians. Doing the hard right has made way for the easy wrong.
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is a spineless coward, a liar and a piece of shit that I would not allow to manage a McDonald's.
Susan Rice: Bergdahl Served With 'Honor and Distinction'
9:12 AM, Jun 2, 2014 • By DANIEL HALPER
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/susan-rice-bergdahl-served-honor-and-distinction_794066.html
National Security Adviser Susan Rice, is a liar, a tool and an incompetent idiot.
I was amused at the fact the leadership in A-Stan sent SEALS to get the deserter, had they sent US Army Special Forces deserter Bowe Bergdahl might have disappeared again and for good.
The liberal/progressive/socialists have truly taken control of the United States Military by allowing such blatant lies to be told to the American public.
Susan Rice: Bergdahl Served With 'Honor and Distinction'
Bergdahl Served With 'Honor and Distinction' my ass.
You military gents feel that slap in the face? That's your government telling you to fuck off and that they run the show now and you will comply.
Here let's feel that slap again,
Susan Rice: Bergdahl Served With 'Honor and Distinction'
Oh and if you think the "right" will win the next elections and out these morons another fifty million undocumented democratic voters are currently pouring across the border as I write this.
Yes, the spine of the US Military has been finally broken and not by the enemy outside the gates.
Susan Rice: Bergdahl Served With 'Honor and Distinction'
Breaking news! Bergdahl to take over SERE committee!
I'm getting the bigger picture of what's really happening in Americastan, it seems that the spine of the United States Military has been broken and the current "leadership" lives in fear of the politicians. Doing the hard right has made way for the easy wrong.
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is a spineless coward, a liar and a piece of shit that I would not allow to manage a McDonald's.
Yes, the spine of the US Military has been finally broken and not by the enemy outside the gates.
So the lies begin..
BUT BUT,, berry did give up a round of golf to be in the Rose Garden..
Even CNN: Fellow soldiers call Bowe Bergdahl a deserter, not a hero, By Jake Tapper, CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/
I get some pretty vicious and personal attacks, because I am a 'nobody', so they feel safe. My favorite is the demands for proof, and when proofs are offered, they are not good enough. If it doesn't agree with the narrative they want to believe, no proof will suffice.
It's amazing how many MSM articles are written off of anonymous or 2nd/3rd-hand sources, yet they are valid because a major outlet published them? We see more and more examples of sloppy reporting where stories were not vetted, or turn out to be patently false. MSM across the board is barely believable anymore.
Especially when the story has classified elements, like Benghazi, or a lockdown on info, like Bergdahl's situation.
I'll take a military person's version, or a Gold Star Mom's, over some of this other BS I see out there. There are some people so committed to misunderstanding you, there is nothing you can say.
Rock on, "Denise"......good job and thank you.:cool:
Team Sergeant
06-02-2014, 10:51
Nondisclosure agreements are a joke, bring it gents........
Susan Rice, Chuck Hagel and barry soetoro just spit in the face of the American military, its time to spit back.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/
"Many of Bergdahl's fellow troops -- from the seven or so who knew him best in his squad to the larger group that made up the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division -- told CNN that they signed nondisclosure agreements agreeing to never share any information about Bergdahl's disappearance and the efforts to recapture him. Some were willing to dismiss that document in hopes that the truth would come out about a soldier who they now fear is being hailed as a hero, while the men who lost their lives looking for him are ignored."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/
It's amazing how many MSM articles are written off of anonymous or 2nd/3rd-hand sources, yet they are valid because a major outlet published them? We see more and more examples of sloppy reporting where stories were not vetted, or turn out to be patently false. MSM across the board is barely believable anymore.
Especially when the story has classified elements, like Benghazi, or a lockdown on info, like Bergdahl's situation.
I'll take a military person's version, or a Gold Star Mom's, over some of this other BS I see out there. There are some people so committed to misunderstanding you, there is nothing you can say.
Rock on, "Denise"......good job and thank you.:cool:
"Talking Points" vs truth & MSM = TASS
You're right re: Mom's post, Orion. TS is right. Time to sharpen the stick.
(Now, the VA debacle, the IRS, Benghazi, and all the other POTUS scandals are falling off the table...now it's not about POTUS any more but about some other dirtbag.)
Team Sergeant
06-02-2014, 10:57
http://www.chicagonow.com/uncommon-sense/2014/06/bowe-bergdahl-deserter-pow-shinseki-carney-20150601/
Mom, point the dissenters in our direction...... we'll be happy to "entertain" them here on Professionalsoldiers.com.
Let them know who we are and that this is what we're saying....
Tell them the Green Berets have spoken on the subject here.
Send them to us........;)
Let them threaten us :rolleyes:
The Reaper
06-02-2014, 10:58
Afghanis not happy with release
http://www.stripes.com/afghan-government-reacts-angrily-to-prisoner-swap-1.286555
Laughable, since they have been letting the mid- and low-level bad guys out for a while now.
TR
The Reaper
06-02-2014, 11:04
The easiest way for Bob Bergdahl to have helped his son would have been to advise him not to join the Army, or failing that, telling him to wait till he got back to CONUS to desert.
I can see where the son got his craziness from. :rolleyes:
TR
Team Sergeant
06-02-2014, 11:16
One glaring fact that no one has mentioned and correct me if I am wrong on this. It seems every other American the Taliban captured got their 15 minutes of fame on Al Jeezera getting beheaded if they were not killed immediately. Why was this guy not only allowed to live for so long but set free? What makes him special in their eyes?
My honest opinion, because he gave the Taliban goats some needed relief..........
http://twitchy.com/2014/06/01/bob-bergdahl-now-tweeting-for-more-guantanamo-releases/
Butthead's dad is not making this easy.
Now he's tweeting for the release of more gitmo prisoners..
Streck-Fu
06-02-2014, 11:56
Here comes Duffelblog: LINK (http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/06/bowe-bergdahl-freed-taliban/)
Snaquebite
06-02-2014, 12:13
Bowe Bergdahl is a Traitor - Facebook page....over 17K likes so far.
https://www.facebook.com/Boweisatraitor
One glaring fact that no one has mentioned and correct me if I am wrong on this. It seems every other American the Taliban captured got their 15 minutes of fame on Al Jeezera getting beheaded if they were not killed immediately. Why was this guy not only allowed to live for so long but set free? What makes him special in their eyes?
They are probably wishing that they had saved a few more for barter. This is truly a case of the apple not falling far from the tree, like father like son a chip off the old block etc. etc.
(1VB)compforce
06-02-2014, 12:28
Too bad we'll never know what was on the camera he took with him. That could seal his fate pretty quickly.
Well I really question was another deal made last weekend during a surprise visit with U.S. troops. Maybe the Calling or dimming the Kabul CoS was apart of this. Maybe he didn't agree with this exchange. Oh Sorry CoS you're gone, oh you don't want to leave or approve this, name released. To much going on, trends and follow the money is what I always say. Scandal one is covered by scandal, what fourteen? Crazy!?
Like I was saying. ..
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/04/exclusive-cia-falls-back-in-afghanistan.html
I have been pissed for days now over this but I was in theatre and put on standby for this. Its all true, every word. Dozens wounded six killed directly others killed from lack of air support because of the DUSTWUN. Do not let the media win, do not stop until he is behind bars. Sign the petition.
Snaquebite
06-02-2014, 13:12
Was the CIA station chief in Kabul outed b/c he disagreed with the trade of five very high Taliban commanders for Bergdahl. Coincidence? I don't think so. CIA station chief would have known about the trade talks and would have had something to say about it.
Team Sergeant
06-02-2014, 13:18
Was the CIA station chief in Kabul outed b/c he disagreed with the trade of five very high Taliban commanders for Bergdahl. Coincidence? I don't think so. CIA station chief would have known about the trade talks and would have had something to say about it.
You seriously think anyone in the CIA possesses the stones to take such a stand?
So far not one Army officer or Sr. NCO involved with the Bergdahl desertion has said a word. That silence speaks volumes to me. Bergdahl is not the only coward in this case.
SGT Evan Buetow, Bergdahl's Team Leader back in 2009, is now making the rounds.
A 10 minute clip from Newsmax TV today, now on youtube: LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRcc819AKgA)
Evan's twitter is @evanscottb, but he's not posting anything yet.
The soldier Cody, I mentioned back in post #27, confirms Evan was his & Bergdahl's TL.
Team Sergeant
06-02-2014, 13:38
SGT Evan Buetow, Bergdahl's Team Leader back in 2009, is now making the rounds.
A 10 minute clip from Newsmax TV today, now on youtube: LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRcc819AKgA)
Evan's twitter is @evanscottb, but he's not posting anything yet.
The soldier Cody, I mentioned back in post #27, confirms Evan was his & Bergdahl's TL.
Finally a real soldier stands up to the lies being told by Susan Rice, Chuck Hagel, barry soetoro and the MSM. A young Sgt no less.
Well done SGT Evan Buetow, well done.
Snaquebite
06-02-2014, 13:39
You seriously think anyone in the CIA possesses the stones to take such a stand?
So far not one Army officer or Sr. NCO involved with the Bergdahl desertion has said a word. That silence speaks volumes to me. Bergdahl is not the only coward in this case.
Not saying he would have taken a stand, but even expressing a negative opinion about this would have IMHO gotten him outed.
Great sarcastic comments on another site:
RE: He walks away as a Private First Class (E3), returns as a Sergeant (E5)?
1 - So now the Taliban run a PLDC?
2 - Maybe they should have kept him until he made Sergeant First Class (E7) and they might have been able to swap him for ten of their GITMO buddies.
LINK (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/we-swore-oath-and-we-upheld-ours-he-did-not_794093.html)
'We Swore to an Oath and We Upheld Ours. He Did Not.'
The soldiers in Bowe Bergdahl's platoon speak up
3:45 PM, JUN 2, 2014 • BY STEPHEN F. HAYES
The Obama administration is facing mounting questions about the controversial prisoner swap that freed Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl from jihadists in Pakistan in exchange for the transfer and ultimate release of five senior Taliban commanders previously held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Lawmakers are questioning the wisdom and legality of the move. Intelligence officials are expressing deep concerns about its ramifications. And those who served with Bergdahl—or took risks in the efforts to rescue him—are directly challenging the Obama administration's characterization of the former captive and his actions.
In an appearance on ABC's This Week on Sunday, National Security Adviser Susan Rice claimed that Bergdahl "wasn't simply a hostage, he was an American prisoner of war, taken on the battlefield." She added: "He served the United States with honor and distinction."
"That's not true," says Specialist Cody Full, who served in the same platoon as Bergdahl, and whose tweets over the weekend as @CodyFNfootball offered an early firsthand account of Bergdahl's departure. "He was not a hero. What he did was not honorable. He knowingly deserted and put thousands of people in danger because he did. We swore to an oath and we upheld ours. He did not."
"He walked off—and 'walked off' is a nice way to put it," says Specialist Josh Cornielson, the medic in Bergdahl's platoon. "He was accounted for late that afternoon. He very specifically planned to walk out in the middle of the night."
"He was a deserter," says Specialist Full. "There's no question in the minds of anyone in our platoon."
In interviews, several of Bergdahl's platoon mates described a soldier who was contemplative, detached and quixotic. He wrote adventure stories—"Jason Bourne, Ramboish type of shit," says one soldier—that placed himself at the center of the action. "He'd write 'Bowe Bergdahl walked across the dark and dusty street' or something like that."
He spent his free time studying Dari and Pashto and took great interest in the lives of local Afghans. Fellow soldiers say that when the platoon dined with the local Afghan National Police forces, Bergdahl lingered to mix with the Afghans. In free time on Forward Operating Base Sharana, when others passed time playing games, chatting with friends or clicking around their computers, Bergdahl chose to engage the locals. "He'd spend hours drinking tea with them, just hanging out," says one of Bergdahl's former platoon mates. "He got to know the locals well and had many friends."
He was energized when his unit worked with local Afghans and helped them improve their own lives. But he was troubled when their missions included more traditional military functions. "It wasn't all rainbows and smiley faces," says Cornielson. "A lot of the time it was brutal and rough and he got very disillusioned. He got angry and frustrated."
"You don't mail all your personal belongings home, especially your computer. It's not like you can go to a sports bar -- there's no sports bars over there," says Specialist Full. "You just wouldn't give up your computer if you weren't planning to leave. He knowingly deserted and he put countless fellow Americans in danger -- not just his platoon mates."
If there is little question in the minds of the former members of Bergdahl's unit that he was a deserter, it's not clear that the military came to that same conclusion—at least formally.
Current and former military and intelligence officials tell THE WEEKLY STANDARD that the U.S. Army conducted an exhaustive investigation into Bergdahl's separation from his platoon. The investigation, undertaken by an officer from outside of the unit and called an AR 15-6, involved sworn testimony from virtually everyone who had regular contact with Bergdahl. The soldiers in Bergdahl's platoon were questioned repeatedly by investigators. Many were ordered to sign non-disclosure agreements, a step that a former senior military official calls "highly unusual."
Cornielson, as the unit's medic, was questioned virtually every time the platoon rotated back to a large base to clear up and get a hot meal. "We got 90 minutes for a shower and a meal -- and I spent 45 minutes every time answering their questions." Investigators asked about everything—from the circumstances of Bergdahl's departure, to his views on the Army and his interactions with other soldiers. A frequent line of questioning involved the kind of information Bergdahl possessed that could aid the Taliban—medical knowledge, how the Army responds to IED attacks, troop movements, rules of engagement.
Bergdahl was initially classified as DUSTWUN—duty status: whereabouts unknown. Two military sources involved in recovery operations tell THE WEEKLY STANDARD that after the AR 15-6 investigation, the U.S. Army considered Bergdahl absent without leave. Pentagon officials engaged in a lengthy—and sometimes heated—debate about whether to reclassify Bergdahl as a deserter. In the end, he was not formally listed as a deserter, though the nature of his disappearance is far from a settled issue.
Bergdahl is at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany, where he is under medical evaluation. He is undergoing a lengthy debriefing process by a variety of U.S. officials, including counterintelligence specialists, who will try to learn more about the circumstances of his departure and the nature of his time with the Taliban and, eventually, the Haqqani network.
In Washington, lawmakers are accusing the administration of ignoring laws signed by the president. "This is very serious," says Representative Buck McKeon, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. McKeon says the National Defense Authorization Act, which passed out of his committee on a vote of 59-3, required the administration to give Congress a 30-day advance notification on Guantanamo transfers. "This administration has flouted the law again and again and again. We will be having hearings about this."
Obama administration officials argued over the weekend that Bergdahl's deteriorating health required the administration to move urgently to return him to the care of the U.S. military. He is currently in stable condition.
The five Taliban commanders were transferred to Qatar in an agreement approved by senior leaders of the Afghan Taliban. Obama administration officials have said that the former Guantanamo prisoners—all of whom were considered "high risk" to return to the battle—will be monitored. The administration has not detailed what that monitoring will involve. Most the prisoners transferred from Guantanamo over the past decade have also been subject to post-release tracking, but nearly a third of that group are known or suspected recidivists.
And intelligence officials point out that the Qataris have funded jihadists throughout the region, including some of the fiercest fighters in Syria. For those reasons and others (laid out here by Thomas Joscelyn), officials take little comfort in security guarantees touted—but not defined—by the Obama administration.
[CONTINUED]
LINK (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/we-swore-oath-and-we-upheld-ours-he-did-not_794093.html)
'We Swore to an Oath and We Upheld Ours. He Did Not.'
[CONTINUED from previous post]
One uncomfortable question that has vexed those involved in the Bergdahl case: Was Bergdahl merely a deserter or was he, possibly, a Taliban collaborator?
"I can't speak about what was in his head," says Specialist Full. "I can only speak about what I saw with my own eyes."
Still, several military officials who spoke with THE WEEKLY STANDARD noted privately that Taliban attacks on U.S. forces in the Paktika province seemed to increase in frequency and effectiveness.
CNN's Jake Tapper, who has done extensive reporting on Afghanistan and has spoken to many sources about the Bergdahl case specifically, reported that "at least six soldiers were killed in searches for Bergdahl." There may be a simple explanation: U.S. forces in the area were more exposed because of the frequency of their missions in search of Bergdahl. In the weeks following Bergdahl's disappearance, many regular missions were shelved so that rescue operations could be executed. These missions, and ones undertaken by tactical and special forces, were often conducted with less time to prepare and with fewer precautions taken than traditional raids.
But others wonder whether Bergdahl helped the Taliban, either willfully or under duress. In the hours after he disappeared, according to sources familiar with the intelligence, U.S. troops received an intelligence report that Bergdahl stopped in a local village and asked how to find the Taliban. That report, if it exists, is not mentioned in the Wikileaks documents related to Bergdahl's disappearance. But several sources with knowledge of the case insist that the report is true.
Says one platoon mate: "He's friends with the delivery driver, he's friends with the goat farmer, he's got relationships with all the locals—and he stops to ask how he can find the Taliban? He could have just gone to Habib the local goat farmer and floated along with the locals."
Whether a deserter or collaborator, the mere mention of Bergdahl's name generates the strongest of human emotions among those who served alongside him or participated in attempts to rescue him. "Guys are dead because of him," says one soldier involved in recovery operations. "Several KIA and others severely wounded."
"The amount of pain he's caused," says one of Bergdahl's platoon mates, his voice trailing off. After a long pause, he resumes. "The time he was DUSTWUN was the most miserable time of my life. It was absolute hell. A bunch of us had a pact if we found him. We'd each get him in a room for five minutes and short of killing him we could do what we want."
"There were times—there are still times—when I turn on the TV and I wish they'd just beaheaded him on TV and gotten it over with."
Leozinho
06-02-2014, 14:38
The media is going to put their version of events out, and will actively suppress any other version.
Remember Jessica Lynch, and her heroics?
TR
Yesterday, I would have agreed with you. I read the first NYTimes story wondering if it would mention his desertion. It didn't, other than to say "The circumstances of how he was separated from his unit and captured have remained a mystery."
But today the Washington Post's lead story is about how some soldiers consider him a deserter.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mixed-reaction-to-bergdahls-recovery-by-service-members-who-consider-him-a-deserter/2014/06/01/3713e3ce-e9c5-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html?hpid=z1
The latest NY Times story references "reports he walked off his base voluntarily, against Army regulations" and has an anonymous quote from a senior DOD official that says the Army will probably not punish him for his actions.
I hope the rest of the press follows the Post's lead and continues to pursue this angle. (It took some time for the Jessica Lynch story to unravel.)
Given his desertion is coming to light, I think the administration doesn't do too many victory laps with Bergdahl. And I don't think he'll get a hero's welcome from most Americans.
His dad isn't helping his cause, either. I wouldn't be surprised if his dad thinks his son is a hero not for surviving 5 years of captivity but for deserting in the first place.
(But I do assume he'll get back pay, benefits, and no charges filed, etc.)
The media is going to put their version of events out, and will actively suppress any other version.
Remember Jessica Lynch, and her heroics?
TR
I thought the Jessica Lynch, and Pat Tillman heroism stories were fabrications of the Army.
Snaquebite
06-02-2014, 15:48
From FOX news....
SENIOR OFFICIAL CONFIRMS to Fox News that the conduct of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl — freed Saturday night in exchange for five Guantanamo detainees labeled 'The Taliban Dream Team' — is the subject of 'a major classified file' and that there are concerns he may have been a deserter, or even a collaborator.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/sources-intelligence-community-investigated-bergdahls-conduct/
DAMN....FIVE YEARS and they haven't determined this yet?
You seriously think anyone in the CIA possesses the stones to take such a stand?
So far not one Army officer or Sr. NCO involved with the Bergdahl desertion has said a word. That silence speaks volumes to me. Bergdahl is not the only coward in this case.
TS I think the CoS there would. So yes and I think he fell into his sword and was laid into his shield as a good Spartan.
Yes their are a few in the Agency.
SGT Evan Buetow, Bergdahl's Team Leader back in 2009, is now making the rounds.
A 10 minute clip from Newsmax TV today, now on youtube: LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRcc819AKgA)
Evan's twitter is @evanscottb, but he's not posting anything yet.
The soldier Cody, I mentioned back in post #27, confirms Evan was his & Bergdahl's TL.
As long as he is out. I've heard, from some inside, that 501 got caked in to sign NDS and I believe guys that PSCED to other post got hit over the weekend.
I hope this one goes better than 'Fast and Furious'.
Richard
frostfire
06-02-2014, 16:51
You seriously think anyone in the CIA possesses the stones to take such a stand?
IMHOO, yes.
How many murderers and terrorists did we just give up for a guy who likely walked off base and turned himself in or got snatched up?
Lucky man.
I remember when we did not negotiate with terrorists.
Good plug for SF, BTW.
TR
TR Sir,
Just got back to the "news" today and saw this...I stopped reading after this post. WTH? :confused: Everyone I worked with said the exact same thing as you...Hmmm.
Holly:munchin
ProudGSMom
06-02-2014, 18:01
After the shot in the arm from all of you, I did a phone interview which the editors made into a video and posted on my blog. Cool but weird.
Again, thanks to all of you, I did a follow up piece, something else I've never done. Orion5, I gave you a shout-out for one of the links you posted.
The point of this second piece is to try to answer those demanding proof as well as to redirect the conversation back to the scandals the timing of this release conveniently made disappear.
I'm posting this link here, because, well, thanks. :)
http://www.chicagonow.com/uncommon-sense/2014/06/bowe-bergdahl-deserter-cnn-rice-hagel-shinseki-carney-20140602/
This is a link to the Hailey Idaho Mayor's office and Town Council...let them know what you think about the Towns planned welcome home celebration thru email
Keep it pithy and upright....just tell the truth.
http://www.haileycityhall.org/cityCouncil/index.asp
"Obama administration officials argued over the weekend that Bergdahl's deteriorating health required the administration to move urgently to return him to the care of the U.S. military."
By all means, put this... individual on one of those super-secret lists and delete any and all records pertaining to him. Then give the VA bureaucrat drone a bonus.
(Unfortunately, I know this will never happen. It only seems to happen to the good guys. Personally, I liked Team Sergeant's take on why the Green Berets were not sent to "recover" this POS. [He] "... would likely have disappeared again, and for good.")
This is a link to the Hailey Idaho Mayor's office and Town Council...let them know what you think about the Towns planned welcome home celebration thru email
Keep it pithy and upright....just tell the truth.
http://www.haileycityhall.org/cityCouncil/index.asp
Just sent them some facts and questions.....
craigepo
06-02-2014, 20:54
Question:
What would it be worth, in trade value, for the opportunity to put a suspected traitor on trial? (No, I do not think B. Hussein Obama has thought this far ahead. But hear me out).
If memory serves me correctly, Benedict Arnold escaped prosecution, joined the Brits, and actually led missions on American soil. After the surrender, he went to England, and died with no friends on either side.
Assuming this guy is a deserter, and actually aided the Taliban/Al Qaeda, and good men died trying to find him, would there be a proper "price" to pay for the opportunity to make him face a court martial? Also, looking at the issue long-term, would it be better that he face a U.S. Firing squad than die in Afghanistan?
If I am seeing this correctly, even the mainstream media has picked the allegations up. I see no way he eludes a military trial. I just don't see how the administration could stand in the way of a court martial.
Thoughts?
Peregrino
06-02-2014, 21:02
SB and MG asked the most important question - "Was the CIA Station Chief outed because he wasn't on board with the administration's plan to swap a traitor/deserter for dangerous HVTs?" The implications are astounding. I feel for the Soldiers and families who've had their old wounds ripped open by the recent media attention; however, everything else is a rehash of ancient history - made fresh by his return to US control, but ancient nonetheless. What amazes me is the MSM's apparent willingness to explore the deserter aspects of the story.
I will admit I am troubled by these events. The man walked out on brothers, more brothers died trying to find him, and finally - we put our brothers in the stan at even more risk negotiating. I don't agree with this.
I am glad he is safe - but perhaps someone more deserving should have used this once in a lifetime gift.
what was the human toll sacrificed to capture the 5 TB leaders? no one is asking that question.
Cody Full and another teammate Gerald Sutton talked to Megyn Kelly tonight.
VIDEO (6:31) (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3602219622001/exclusive-former-platoon-mates-speak-out-about-bergdahl-/?playlist_id=2694949842001#sp=show-clips)
All of these guys are coming out - full names & on video. Has anyone seen any teammate from 1-501 who doesn't say Bergdahl deserted?
Ok, Administration....tag, you're it.
(Jay Carney, you're looking pretty smart right about now.)
Quick question about the status of his pay. Is it being held until debrief/investigation is complete?
ProudGSMom
06-02-2014, 22:42
I received this from one of my subscribers. Anyone have any ideas? Seen this before? Any intel on this "Honor, Release, Return, Inc.?
Emails were redacted when I received it.
From: Robert Ousley [mailto]
Sent: 01 June, 2014 20:31
To: Jim "Moe" Moyer
Subject: Outrageous False Communications
Importance: High
Please be aware that the wacko's are out and have begun to start the fog of war. Bob Bergdahl's Twitter account has been hacked and there are imposters posting comments on various media that look like they are coming from Bob or Bowe Bergdahl. Please help stop the terrorist acts that are now following Bowe Bergdahl home. Get the word out that there seems to be an active campaign to destroy Bowe and his family at this critical time.
If you see a comment that looks whacky or off color or something that you can't imagine coming from Bowe or his family take heart because they didn't. Bowe is not communicating on any social media. There are anarchists doing rapid postings to the Million Cards for Bowe site in an attempt to damage support for bringing Bowe home to his family. Please don't get distracted by the whack jobs. They are the lowest form of life on this earth and it will take the efforts of all who supported Bowe and his family in captivity to put these despicable people back in their slimy hole.
Please spread this as far and wide as possible. The more who understand what is happening the quicker we can out these people and stop this ugly attack.
Bob "Bulldog" Ousley, MAJ USA (RET)
Co-Chairman National Board of Directors
Honor, Release, Return, Inc.
503 Hunting Hills Drive
Mount Juliet, TN 37122
That orgs info is on the web and I guess he thinks all of Bergdahls platoon mates were/are whacko's.
He must be a nutjob himself if he's military and can't smell this one.
This current situation surrounding Bergdahl has all the feel of a rerun. Wasn't it just yesterday the Benghazi investigation was heating up when Lois Lerner singlehandedly diverted the attention of the nation by having her friend ask a simple question at BAR meeting. All of sudden we were all focused on the magicians hand doing the trick and we lost sight of the hand doing all the mischief.
I mean, there's no way the administration didn't anticipate guys from Bergdahl's unit wouldn't come out of the woodwork. They had to know. Then it follows they expected the current shit storm. I mean the guy's dad looks like a cheap extra from central casting. They knew the right would get spun up by this. What are we missing?
I don't believe this was done to mask Jay Carney's resignation. Who give a hoot about Carney. There is something else at play.
The administration is making this scenario it's methodology.
This current situation surrounding Bergdahl has all the feel of a rerun. Wasn't it just yesterday the Benghazi investigation was heating up when Lois Lerner singlehandedly diverted the attention of the nation by having her friend ask a simple question at BAR meeting. All of sudden we were all focused on the magicians hand doing the trick and we lost sight of the hand doing all the mischief.
I mean, there's no way the administration didn't anticipate guys from Bergdahl's unit wouldn't come out of the woodwork. They had to know. Then it follows they expected the current shit storm. I mean the guy's dad looks like a cheap extra from central casting. They knew the right would get spun up by this. What are we missing?
I don't believe this was done to mask Jay Carney's resignation. Who give a hoot about Carney. There is something else at play.
The administration is making this scenario it's methodology.
Maybe the Jihad the Boy King declared coal industry and electric consumers yesterday.
Snaquebite
06-03-2014, 05:27
Dempsey's official statement on Facebook.
In response to those of you interested in my personal judgments about the recovery of SGT Bowe Bergdahl, the questions about this particular soldier’s conduct are separate from our effort to recover ANY U.S. service member in enemy captivity. This was likely the last, best opportunity to free him. As for the circumstances of his capture, when he is able to provide them, we’ll learn the facts. Like any American, he is innocent until proven guilty. Our Army’s leaders will not look away from misconduct if it occurred. In the meantime, we will continue to care for him and his family. Finally, I want to thank those who for almost five years worked to find him, prepared to rescue him, and ultimately put themselves at risk to recover him.
Snaquebite
06-03-2014, 06:23
The Left now has a liberal hippie guy named Bergdahl, and they love everything about him.
It could be said, if Barry had a son, and that son went into the Army, he would be just like Bergdahl.
When are we going to discuss how hot his Mom is:D
Seriously thou, I wish they would stop calling him a POW. Kind of insulting to people who were actually captured in War.
This current situation surrounding Bergdahl has all the feel of a rerun. Wasn't it just yesterday the Benghazi investigation was heating up when Lois Lerner singlehandedly diverted the attention of the nation by having her friend ask a simple question at BAR meeting. All of sudden we were all focused on the magicians hand doing the trick and we lost sight of the hand doing all the mischief.
I mean, there's no way the administration didn't anticipate guys from Bergdahl's unit wouldn't come out of the woodwork. They had to know. Then it follows they expected the current shit storm. I mean the guy's dad looks like a cheap extra from central casting. They knew the right would get spun up by this. What are we missing?
I don't believe this was done to mask Jay Carney's resignation. Who give a hoot about Carney. There is something else at play.
The administration is making this scenario it's methodology.
Yep...from the Willie Keeler handbook: "I keep my eyes clear, and I hit 'em where they ain't." POTUS makes Slick Willie look like the Velcro-man.
Keep your hand on the plow...focus. There's something much more sinister going on in the Executive Branch.
To hear Hagel and Co. speak you would think Bergdahl was "captured" yesterday. They speak as if an "investigation" never occurred. I find that hard to believe considering this happened five years ago.
To hear Hagel and Co. speak you would think Bergdahl was "captured" yesterday. They speak as if an "investigation" never occurred. I find that hard to believe considering this happened five years ago.
Wouldn't an investigation into a case like this one be speculative and incomplete until Bergdahl made an official statement and it was considered, along with the other findings, for any mitigating and extenuating circumstances which may impact the findings and recommendations? :confused:
Richard
Wouldn't an investigation into a case like this one be speculative and incomplete until Bergdahl made an official statement and it was considered, along with the other findings, for any mitigating and extenuating circumstances which may impact the findings and recommendations? :confused:
Richard
Didn't say they shouldn't hear his part. Have you seen Hagel interviewed? He talks like it just happened and they know nothing about the circumstances that led to this.
Again, I find that hard to believe.
Didn't say they shouldn't hear his part. Have you seen Hagel interviewed? He talks like it just happened and they know nothing about the circumstances that led to this.
Again, I find that hard to believe.
Perhaps it's to avoid the 'perception' of 'undue influence' as was the case with the Commandant of the USMC several years ago?
Richard
Wouldn't an investigation into a case like this one be speculative and incomplete until Bergdahl made an official statement and it was considered, along with the other findings, for any mitigating and extenuating circumstances which may impact the findings and recommendations? :confused:
Richard
I think it's pretty well wrapped up that he walked away from his post.
So he can come clean, lie or go the victim route.
My money is on the victim route, the MSM will beat that drum for all it's worth and the public will scream "The poor boy, he's suffered enough."
Snaquebite
06-03-2014, 09:03
I think it's pretty well wrapped up that he walked away from his post.
So he can come clean, lie or go the victim route.
My money is on the victim route, the MSM will beat that drum for all it's worth and the public will scream "The poor boy, he's suffered enough."
If the report is true, IMHO he made his statement when he called his unit a day or so after he went missing and told them "I've deserted".
I think it's pretty well wrapped up that he walked away from his post.
So he can come clean, lie or go the victim route.
My money is on the victim route, the MSM will beat that drum for all it's worth and the public will scream "The poor boy, he's suffered enough."
I always gauge how true/legit a scandal is by watching CNN and company. If they are covering it and not defending Obama then it has legs. They been running it all weekend. Fox News and MSNBC are completely worthless for any legit information.
Everyone arguing in favor of this exchange comes across as grasping for straws. I can't think of any reason for this decision. I'm glad the kid is back home but definitely not the way to go about it.
Trapper John
06-03-2014, 09:35
This current situation surrounding Bergdahl has all the feel of a rerun. Wasn't it just yesterday the Benghazi investigation was heating up when Lois Lerner singlehandedly diverted the attention of the nation by having her friend ask a simple question at BAR meeting. All of sudden we were all focused on the magicians hand doing the trick and we lost sight of the hand doing all the mischief.
I mean, there's no way the administration didn't anticipate guys from Bergdahl's unit wouldn't come out of the woodwork. They had to know. Then it follows they expected the current shit storm. I mean the guy's dad looks like a cheap extra from central casting. They knew the right would get spun up by this. What are we missing?
I don't believe this was done to mask Jay Carney's resignation. Who give a hoot about Carney. There is something else at play. The administration is making this scenario it's methodology.
I sense there is more to this as well.....and the CIA station chief (against the prisoner swap) just happens to be "accidentally" outed??? Something is just not right here. It just doesn't square. :munchin
I sense there is more to this as well.....and the CIA station chief (against the prisoner swap) just happens to be "accidentally" outed??? Something is just not right here. It just doesn't square. :munchin
Instead of them being so smart - did you ever think they could just be that dumb?
Its hard to disassemble a clown show, but let me try...
The "performers" are in fact "clowns" out to entertain the audience. They are covered in bright happy colors with a big smile and a fun likeable demeanor. They do magic tricks, make noise, tell funny stories, and even put on a puppet show every now and then...
...but who in the fuck is the guy underneath of all of that face paint?
They show up in the proverbial "clown car" and pile out in a seemingly endless stream of jesters but how do they get so many clowns it that little bitty car?
...its because the car is gutted on the inside; it is nothing more than a colorful shell stripped of substance on the inside. The clown car only has enough substance to allow the charade to work. Nothing productive can happen inside the car, the performers are all carefully placed, awaiting their turn to pop out and take their turn with the crowd.
THERE IS NOTHING FUNNY GOING ON INSIDE THE CLOWN CAR.
Its not funny to the clowns. All of the clowns know the script, all of the clowns know when it is their turn to pop out with their props and do their 'bit'.
Its all business to the clowns.
The clowns are not the main attraction - they are a DIS-TRACTION.
The clowns come in to entertain you while the stage hands clean up the elephant shit. People come in to see the lion tamer, the tightrope walker, and the trapeze artist. The clowns are "filler" to keep you interested while the stage hands clean up after each act. The clowns keep your attention while the stage hands set up for the next attraction.
That doesn't change the fact that almost everybody loves clowns. Clowns make you feel happy when you feel down.
Just dont forget, the clown car is not a real car and the smiles that you see are all painted on...
...and the clowns are just there to distract you while the real work is being done in the shadows.
It almost sounds like our government doesn't it. The latest bit of Kabuki theater playing out in the news is nothing more than another act in the THREE ring circus that we call our government...
...and three, coincidentally is how many branches of government we have.
Three rings of government, just like the circus.
"The Greatest Show on Earth"
Bah humbug...
Instead of them being so smart - did you ever think they could just be that dumb?
I am with you Pete
Team Sergeant
06-03-2014, 11:55
I'm hearing that the Veterans Administration is going to change the status of all the Vietnam/Middle East war deserters that went to Canada and any other country to "POW". With all the pay and benefits of POW status.
As a former aircrew member Berghdal's return reaffirms the fact my country will never cease recovery efforts. In that regard I'm glad he's on his way home. I'll take Gen Dempsey's remarks at face value that they felt this was the best 'last chance' opportunity to get him back.
If it were me, I'd hope all hostilities had ended and anyone exchanged for me no longer had an opportunity or desire to harm other Americans. However even if/when we leave Afghanistan entirely I doubt we have seen our last fight with the Taliban and certainly haven't with Al Qaeda. Without a definitive ceasefire I'm really not sure what to think of any prisoner exchange. Would we think any different of the exchange if instead of Berghdal the TB had captured Marcus Luttrell (or any soldier clearly captured following a fight) and held him in captivity?
Is it possible to differentiate between his actions leading to his disappearance/desertion and his conduct during captivity? Can they be considered two separate acts? Should they be considered separate? I doubt he's the first soldier in history captured by the other side after deserting. I realize it's a long shot, but what if his conduct and actions after capture are substantiated as honorable? Those are a couple big 'what ifs' and debatable he's returning with honor. He has a lot of convincing to do.
Let's see how long the five Taliban remain in Qatar. If they're picked up off the battlefield again and even one additional death is attributed to them I'd opinion this prisoner exchange a failure.
Surf n Turf
06-03-2014, 12:25
Its hard to disassemble a clown show, but let me try...
The "performers" are in fact "clowns" out to entertain the audience. They are covered in bright happy colors with a big smile and a fun likeable demeanor. They do magic tricks, make noise, tell funny stories, and even put on a puppet show every now and then...
...but who in the fuck is the guy underneath of all of that face paint?
They show up in the proverbial "clown car" and pile out in a seemingly endless stream of jesters but how do they get so many clowns it that little bitty car?
...its because the car is gutted on the inside; it is nothing more than a colorful shell stripped of substance on the inside. The clown car only has enough substance to allow the charade to work. Nothing productive can happen inside the car, the performers are all carefully placed, awaiting their turn to pop out and take their turn with the crowd
THERE IS NOTHING FUNNY GOING ON INSIDE THE CLOWN CAR.
Its not funny to the clowns. All of the clowns know the script, all of the clowns know when it is their turn to pop out with their props and do their 'bit'.
Its all business to the clowns.
The clowns are not the main attraction - they are a DIS-TRACTION.
The clowns come in to entertain you while the stage hands clean up the elephant shit. People come in to see the lion tamer, the tightrope walker, and the trapeze artist. The clowns are "filler" to keep you interested while the stage hands clean up (the shit) after each act. The clowns keep your attention while the stage hands set up for the next attraction.
That doesn't change the fact that almost everybody loves clowns. Clowns make you feel happy when you feel down.
Just dont forget, the clown car is not a real car and the smiles that you see are all painted on...
...and the clowns are just there to distract you while the real work is being done in the shadows.
It almost sounds like our government doesn't it. The latest bit of Kabuki theater playing out in the news is nothing more than another act in the THREE ring circus that we call our government...
...and three, coincidentally is how many branches of government we have.
Three rings of government, just like the circus.
"The Greatest Show on Earth"
Bah humbug...
One of the best summations, not just on Bergdahl, but on this whole adventure with Pander Bears and PC magicians entertaining the flotsam and jetsam of the gene pool.
SnT
Team Sergeant
06-03-2014, 12:47
As a former aircrew member Berghdal's return reaffirms the fact my country will never cease recovery efforts. In that regard I'm glad he's on his way home. I'll take Gen Dempsey's remarks at face value that they felt this was the best 'last chance' opportunity to get him back.
If it were me, I'd hope all hostilities had ended and anyone exchanged for me no longer had an opportunity or desire to harm other Americans. However even if/when we leave Afghanistan entirely I doubt we have seen our last fight with the Taliban and certainly haven't with Al Qaeda. Without a definitive ceasefire I'm really not sure what to think of any prisoner exchange. Would we think any different of the exchange if instead of Berghdal the TB had captured Marcus Luttrell (or any soldier clearly captured following a fight) and held him in captivity?
Is it possible to differentiate between his actions leading to his disappearance/desertion and his conduct during captivity? Can they be considered two separate acts? Should they be considered separate? I doubt he's the first soldier in history captured by the other side after deserting. I realize it's a long shot, but what if his conduct and actions after capture are substantiated as honorable? Those are a couple big 'what ifs' and debatable he's returning with honor. He has a lot of convincing to do.
Let's see how long the five Taliban remain in Qatar. If they're picked up off the battlefield again and even one additional death is attributed to them I'd opinion this prisoner exchange a failure.
What sort of stuff you smoking?
Given the opportunity I'd have left this deserter in the hands of who ever for the rest of his piece of shit life. I'd also send over his parents to join him if I could.
Just calling a deserter a "POW" is a spit in the face of every military member past and present.
Good men died looking for this piece of shit, dozens were wounded.
When he gets back on US soil I really hope he suck starts his AK-47........
Let's see how long the five Taliban remain in Qatar. If they're picked up off the battlefield again and even one additional death is attributed to them I'd opinion this prisoner exchange a failure.
I suspect you will not need to wait to long.
Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official, Reuters, 5 hours ago: DOHA (Reuters) - Qatar has moved five Afghan Taliban prisoners freed in exchange for a U.S. soldier to a residential compound and will let them move freely in the country, a senior Gulf official said on Tuesday, a step likely to be scrutinized by Washington.
http://news.yahoo.com/qatar-allowing-freed-taliban-men-move-freely-country-130028784.html
Traded Taliban leaders free to roam in Middle East? Published June 03, 2014, FoxNews.com: President Obama's claim Tuesday that the U.S. would "be keeping eyes" on five hardened Taliban leaders traded for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's freedom was immediately challenged by a Middle East official quoted as saying they'd actually be allowed to move freely -- and even "go back to Afghanistan if they want to."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/03/traded-taliban-leaders-free-to-roam-in-middle-east-claim-undercuts-obama/
Noslack71
06-03-2014, 13:09
As a former aircrew member Berghdal's return reaffirms the fact my country will never cease recovery efforts. In that regard I'm glad he's on his way home. I'll take Gen Dempsey's remarks at face value that they felt this was the best 'last chance' opportunity to get him back.
If it were me, I'd hope all hostilities had ended and anyone exchanged for me no longer had an opportunity or desire to harm other Americans. However even if/when we leave Afghanistan entirely I doubt we have seen our last fight with the Taliban and certainly haven't with Al Qaeda. Without a definitive ceasefire I'm really not sure what to think of any prisoner exchange. Would we think any different of the exchange if instead of Berghdal the TB had captured Marcus Luttrell (or any soldier clearly captured following a fight) and held him in captivity?
Is it possible to differentiate between his actions leading to his disappearance/desertion and his conduct during captivity? Can they be considered two separate acts? Should they be considered separate? I doubt he's the first soldier in history captured by the other side after deserting. I realize it's a long shot, but what if his conduct and actions after capture are substantiated as honorable? Those are a couple big 'what ifs' and debatable he's returning with honor. He has a lot of convincing to do.
Let's see how long the five Taliban remain in Qatar. If they're picked up off the battlefield again and even one additional death is attributed to them I'd opinion this prisoner exchange a failure.
Too much crew rest and not enough time with trigger pullers!,
This looks like a typical "Kabul Rug Deal" where the ISI and the Haqqani's did the
Talib's work for them and this administration does not care about the cost because it's not their money and they don't have to live with a low quality, counterfeit rug in their house!
Noslack
Snaquebite
06-03-2014, 13:17
Surprise Surprise Surprise!
Traded Taliban leaders free to roam in Middle East? Claim undercuts Obama assurance
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/03/traded-taliban-leaders-free-to-roam-in-middle-east-claim-undercuts-obama/
Streck-Fu
06-03-2014, 13:22
Rolling Stone doubles down on Bowe's lies: LINK (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/13-things-you-need-to-know-about-bowe-bergdahl-20140602)
No other member of his unit corroborates claims Bowe made like running over the child ....So here comes PVT bergdahl, victim of a lack of leadership and guidance rather than a victim of his own parents lack of guidance and discipline.
Trapper John
06-03-2014, 14:07
Instead of them being so smart - did you ever think they could just be that dumb?
Pete, I think you may be correct on that one Bro! You can't make this shit up!!
Fox News is reporting that Bergdahl has renounced his US citizenship. Wow, another clown just jumped out of your clown car Billy. :eek:
So let me get this straight, IF this is true, we just traded a 5 high value prisoners for a deserter that has renounced his citizenship? :eek:
Yes, Susan Rice, Bowe served honorably??? Oh sure, there is that desertion thing, and maybe the citizenship renouncing thing??? OK, OK ,but it must have been the anti-muslim video that has him all confused.
You really, really can't make this shit up!
Trap,
I'm pretty sure Susan Rice is actually Baghdad Bob after a sex change....
Snaquebite
06-03-2014, 14:27
Fox News is reporting that Bergdahl has renounced his US citizenship.
If indeed true, grant his wish. Revoke his US citizenship and throw his ass in Gitmo. Karma.
Medic from Bergdahl's team is taking questions, if you want to ask anything:
Joshua Cornelison
@JM_Cornelison
[15:25 CST] "Again, if anyone has any questions or comments or anything they want clarified. I'll be more than happy to answer anything I can."
Lets see, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, IRS, Bergdhal, Obama Care, c'mon, help me out here...how many more???
They gotta be running out of distractions by now...ya think??? :eek:
(1VB)compforce
06-03-2014, 14:59
Fox News is reporting that Bergdahl has renounced his US citizenship. Wow, another clown just jumped out of your clown car Billy. :eek:
So let me get this straight, IF this is true, we just traded a 5 high value prisoners for a deserter that has renounced his citizenship? :eek:
Any bets on what country he applies to for citizenship?
Trap,
I'm pretty sure Susan Rice is actually Baghdad Bob after a sex change....
Bob would not be happy with your insolent infidel mouth..
Lets see, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, IRS, Bergdhal, Obama Care, c'mon, help me out here...how many more???
They gotta be running out of distractions by now...ya think??? :eek:
Say what?
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." Rahm Emanual
What's F'ing next???:mad::confused:
Damocles
06-03-2014, 15:36
Its hard to disassemble a clown show, but let me try...
The "performers" are in fact "clowns" out to entertain the audience. They are covered in bright happy colors with a big smile and a fun likeable demeanor. They do magic tricks, make noise, tell funny stories, and even put on a puppet show every now and then...
...but who in the fuck is the guy underneath of all of that face paint?
They show up in the proverbial "clown car" and pile out in a seemingly endless stream of jesters but how do they get so many clowns it that little bitty car?
...its because the car is gutted on the inside; it is nothing more than a colorful shell stripped of substance on the inside. The clown car only has enough substance to allow the charade to work. Nothing productive can happen inside the car, the performers are all carefully placed, awaiting their turn to pop out and take their turn with the crowd.
THERE IS NOTHING FUNNY GOING ON INSIDE THE CLOWN CAR.
Its not funny to the clowns. All of the clowns know the script, all of the clowns know when it is their turn to pop out with their props and do their 'bit'.
Its all business to the clowns.
The clowns are not the main attraction - they are a DIS-TRACTION.
The clowns come in to entertain you while the stage hands clean up the elephant shit. People come in to see the lion tamer, the tightrope walker, and the trapeze artist. The clowns are "filler" to keep you interested while the stage hands clean up after each act. The clowns keep your attention while the stage hands set up for the next attraction.
That doesn't change the fact that almost everybody loves clowns. Clowns make you feel happy when you feel down.
Just dont forget, the clown car is not a real car and the smiles that you see are all painted on...
...and the clowns are just there to distract you while the real work is being done in the shadows.
It almost sounds like our government doesn't it. The latest bit of Kabuki theater playing out in the news is nothing more than another act in the THREE ring circus that we call our government...
...and three, coincidentally is how many branches of government we have.
Three rings of government, just like the circus.
"The Greatest Show on Earth"
Bah humbug...
Brilliant :lifter
Javadrinker
06-03-2014, 16:07
I do not know what to say, how did this happen? When will the "leadership" of the military wake up and do what is right and necessary?
I can't even articulate I am so angry over this and this administration's lies and deceit.
My God in heaven.
Utah Bob
06-03-2014, 16:17
What sort of stuff you smoking?
Given the opportunity I'd have left this deserter in the hands of who ever for the rest of his piece of shit life. I'd also send over his parents to join him if I could.
Just calling a deserter a "POW" is a spit in the face of every military member past and present.
Good men died looking for this piece of shit, dozens were wounded.
When he gets back on US soil I really hope he suck starts his AK-47........
Alas, he'll get PTSD treatment, an appearance on Oprah where he'll cry, a book deal and mini series.:mad:
Utah Bob
06-03-2014, 16:20
Trap,
I'm pretty sure Susan Rice is actually Baghdad Bob after a sex change....
ALLEGED sex change. ;)
ddoering
06-03-2014, 16:45
Alas, he'll get PTSD treatment, an appearance on Oprah where he'll cry, a book deal and mini series.:mad:
And a medal, Silver Star or higher.
If indeed true, grant his wish. Revoke his US citizenship and throw his ass in Gitmo. Karma.
Have his father join him.
JamesIkanov
06-03-2014, 17:42
I know politicians are stupid... but I don't think they're THIS stupid. The whole thing just kind of smells like there's some kind of political magic trick going on in the background that isn't being explained, and I don't think it's as straight forward or simple as diverting attention from VA issues. I'll be interested to see whether or not any "extra special surprises" arrive by "airmail" to the region in the next few days.
5...we gave up 5 GITMO goobers...
Now that they know we are game...what are the odds they snatch up some more (let's just say they get a couple of females this time) and demand a dozen, aw hell...why not demand THE REST of GITMO be released in another :rolleyes:
My thoughts exactly. There is no way any of this could come back to bite us.
Utah Bob
06-03-2014, 18:04
Just saw Feinstein on tv and even she is pissed at O!!
Made my day.:)
Just saw Feinstein on tv and even she is pissed at O!!
Made my day.:)
She has to be up for reelection and probably had O's permission to act mad about all of this. Harry Reid however is not abandoning ship to which I say move Gitmo to Nevada.
Leozinho
06-03-2014, 18:50
Alas, he'll get PTSD treatment, an appearance on Oprah where he'll cry, a book deal and mini series.:mad:
I think some of us are underestimating the American people. Despite the pessimism I read here, we haven't turned into a country that will celebrate a deserter.
To be sure, he can get a book deal if he wants one. And, yes, every news organization in the country is trying to snag an interview with Bergdahl. And I'm sure some on the very far-left may use him to promote their views.
However, that doesn't mean America is going to sweep his behavior under the rug and celebrate him as a hero. The truth is already out. And he's going to have to be very, very contrite and figure out a way to spin his captivity somehow to get the sympathy some here are predicting he'll receive. I just don't see it happening.
My gut feeling is that he keeps a low profile for a while.
----------------------
Regarding the reports that he renounced his citizenship --
Like a lot of others here, I took a course that talked about reintegration and how captivity can affect someone and how we should reserve making judgments too quickly. (Stockholm Syndrome is probably to be expected. He may have been submitted to indoctrination and brainwashing, etc). Five years is a long time, and I have no reason to think Bergdahl is anywhere near the man that Col. Rowe was or Sen. McCain is. I doubt he handled his captivity as well as others have. (This assumes he was held captive those five years and not cooperating and living as a guest of the Taliban.:mad:)
IF he has renounced his citizenship, I'd wait a while to see if he comes back around. If he doesn't, then by all means, let's burn him at the stake.
Don't misinterpret me. I think we should court martial him for desertion and probably for aiding and abetting the enemy. I have zero sympathy for this deserter. (Bolded and in red to make sure no one misses how I feel about him.) It's just a general caution that you have to take into account his captivity when listening to anything he's saying right now in his debrief. I've judged him for walking off his base and trying to join the Taliban. I am holding off on judging him for anything he's saying right now until after he's reintegrated.
....My gut feeling is that he keeps a low profile for a while....
Or goes to Syria to try on a homicide belt for size.
We are at war with an enemy force, irregular indeed, but an enemy none the less. Prisoner exchanges are a normal course of warfare, and I would rather have our man back than pay another penny for Abu Shitbag to stay in the Gitmo Hilton. It doesn't sound like they gave up KSM or any senior AQ from Gitmo. From my point of view, I'll take this over having another POW - he was a POW, just as the Gtimo jackasses are POWs - sitting in Pakistan.
Please disregard this ill informed post. May the traitor and his muzzy pop rot in hell forever.
JSM,
I don't think Bergdahl was a pw, he was a hostage. I think the media is starting to pick up on who/what the Haganni network is...more mafia that Taliban.
I really don't agree with the blanket statement..."we'd never leave an American behind'
I'd never leave a righteous, oath keeping American behind.
I'd leave Charles Manson behind.
So would most.
So, now we've established we wouldn't bring everyone on board.
Now we're just negotiating a price as the saying goes.
Is this not a reason for impeachment? Breaking the law he now admits it.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/06/03/white-house-apologizes-failing-lawfully-notify-congress-gitmo-releases
He's got at least a dozen impeachable offenses dating back to canceling Workfare early in his first term. They have played the race card for so many years that it's the casino's house game now. He's Teflon® wrapped in asbestos. Health care is the coup de grâce of "capitalism" and personal freedom. Hillary failed to get it through, so it was important to derail her to put in the black avenger.
Now what?
Pat
He seems to be moving pretty well, wonder what his health emergency is?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/10873996/Bowe-Bergdahl-prisoner-release-Taliban-publish-footage-of-handover-to-US-forces.html
He seems to be moving pretty well, wonder what his health emergency is?
Curious, All the glad handing by the US CIVILIANS at the exchange. Why did they wait until they are almost in the chopper before the pat-down?
He seems to be moving pretty well, wonder what his health emergency is?
A prime example of a condition known as "Anal Glaucoma".
He can't see his ass spending the rest of his life in Leavenworth with the infidels.
He seems to be moving pretty well, wonder what his health emergency is?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/10873996/Bowe-Bergdahl-prisoner-release-Taliban-publish-footage-of-handover-to-US-forces.html
Full release Taliban video
http://youtu.be/eQKd7pYFx5Y
Snaquebite
06-04-2014, 06:13
Full release Taliban video
http://youtu.be/eQKd7pYFx5Y
Would love to see a transcript of the translation.
Streck-Fu
06-04-2014, 06:17
Time Magazine actually reports that the WH did whatever the F it wanted to.
TIME Magazine (http://time.com/2818827/taliban-bergdahl-pow-release-objections-white-house/)
To pull off the prisoner swap of five Taliban leaders for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the White House overrode an existing interagency process charged with debating the transfer of Guantanamo Bay prisoners and dismissed long-standing Pentagon and intelligence community concerns based on Top Secret intelligence about the dangers of releasing the five men, sources familiar with the debate tell TIME.
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National Security Council officials at the White House decline to describe the work of the ad hoc process they established to trade the prisoners, or to detail the measures they have taken to limit the threat the Taliban officials may pose. They say consensus on the plan was reached by the top officials of Obama’s national security team, including representatives from the Pentagon, State Department, intelligence community and Joint Chiefs of Staff. “These releases were worked extensively through deputies and principals,” says National Security Counsel Deputy for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes. “There was not a dissent on moving forward with this plan.”
But officials in the Pentagon and intelligence communities had successfully fought off release of the five men in the past, officials tell TIME. “This was out of the norm,” says one official familiar with the debate over the dangers of releasing the five Taliban officials. “There was never the conversation.” Obama’s move was an ultimate victory for those at the White House and the State Department who had previously argued the military should “suck it up and salute,” says the official familiar with the debate.
Golf1echo
06-04-2014, 06:24
On the bright side of things this incident has spot lighted the blatant disregard for law that 0 and his cronies have. Now even liberal Americans are saying wait a minute here... The World sees it, our enemies see it, we see it. It is time to start impeaching some of these scoundrels and reprobates!!!
I enjoyed this article:
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/bob-woodward-charles-krauthammer-bill-oreilly-taliban/2014/06/03/id/574991/
I will apologize in advance for the source, this was just to rich to pass up: http://theweek.com/article/index/262615/speedreads-jon-stewart-puzzles-through-how-the-bowe-bergdahl-story-turned-from-great-news-to-fox-news-fodder#axzz33fz3Z6Ap
miclo18d
06-04-2014, 06:49
Curious, All the glad handing by the US CIVILIANS at the exchange. Why did they wait until they are almost in the chopper before the pat-down?
Glad handing, I think, is showing that "we don't have weapons" (which I'm sure were under those huge shirts seeing that in June it's upwards in the 90's)
About the pat down, Not sure. If he had been strapped he could have taken out the entire helo. Hostage thinking is get the hostage as far from the bad guys as you can (you could just throw him in the chopper and go if things went south.)
When they first make physical contact with the traitor, one puts his arm around him and then gives a thumbs up. Perhaps making sure he doesn't have a vest on. Mitigates the risk then does a detailed search plane side? I didn't think the pat down plane side was very thourough. No explosives, no guns, let's go!
Good question though!
ProudGSMom
06-04-2014, 06:51
...is actually a factual statement. He hadn't had a physical in more than 5 years, so there were questions. Reasonable concerns are another matter.
Utah Bob
06-04-2014, 07:14
Watching the video, it looks like the guy on the left was holding a frag in his right hand.
ProudGSMom
06-04-2014, 07:15
to the face seen on the video and saying he looks ill is just stupid.
Is there a single soldier, other than a Fobbit, who doesn't look gaunt after spending just one tour there?
...and for the Taliban claim that "the Americans were so nervous one of them shook with the wrong hand" proves how adept they are at PR. I assure you Abu Zool, the 'correct' hand was offered.
PRB or other Islam experts....is there a significance to Bergdahl's shaved head at the exchange?
Are there clues to his status with his 'captors' based on why they shaved his head.....
Snaquebite
06-04-2014, 08:28
PRB or other Islam experts....is there a significance to Bergdahl's shaved head at the exchange?
Are there clues to his status with his 'captors' based on why they shaved his head.....
http://islamqa.info/en/14051
Is this not a reason for impeachment? Breaking the law he now admits it.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/06/03/white-house-apologizes-failing-lawfully-notify-congress-gitmo-releases
(It chaps the ass...)
Who are these "top aides", these "WH spokes-persons"? When POTUS said "We have worked with Congress"...who the hell is the "we"? Him? Is he the mouse in someones pocket? Some other clown/clown-ette?
Leadership in the WH doesn't exist. They're a gaggle of college frat/sorority adolescents who are all loose cannons on deck. Little Susie Rice is a prime example.
Can you imagine what the list of Presidential Pardons will look like in 2016? Holy Phonebook, Batman!
Watching the video, it looks like the guy on the left was holding a frag in his right hand.
I noticed that too.
His right hand doesn't move one bit, walk from, during the "glad hand exchange" part, and then walking back to the helo. It didn't even "swing" while he was walking. He didn't move it until he got back to the helo and the traditor was on board.
Couldn't see if he was holding anything, but found that "odd" that that right hand of his was rock steady throughout the exchange.
(It chaps the ass...)
Who are these "top aides", these "WH spokes-persons"? When POTUS said "We have worked with Congress"...who the hell is the "we"? Him? Is he the mouse in someones pocket? Some other clown/clown-ette?
Leadership in the WH doesn't exist. They're a gaggle of college frat/sorority adolescents who are all loose cannons on deck. Little Susie Rice is a prime example.
Can you imagine what the list of Presidential Pardons will look like in 2016? Holy Phonebook, Batman!
Valerie Jarrett, aka "The Whore of Babylon", is the one pulling Barry's strings. That's where the "real power" lies in this administration.
I noticed that too.
His right hand doesn't move one bit, walk from, during the "glad hand exchange" part, and then walking back to the helo. It didn't even "swing" while he was walking. He didn't move it until he got back to the helo and the traditor was on board.
Couldn't see if he was holding anything, but found that "odd" that that right hand of his was rock steady throughout the exchange.
Guessing,, I think he was holding his jacket to keep the prop blast from revealing a SMG (mp5/uzzie/m10/??) inside?
Even on a 23inh screen the quality is not good.
Here is the full 17+min video.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f46_1401879923
So the Right is "Swiftboating" him now?
Always said that means telling the truth.
So while we are distracted by Bowe Bergdahl...
-IRS targeting political opponents
-Benghazi
-Justice Department pulling AP’s phone records
-Lois Lerner contempt of congress charges
-AG Holder in contempt of congress
-Fast and Furious
-Cathleen Sebelius soliciting donations from companies regulated by the Dept of HHS
-The VA spending 6 million dollars on Disney World Conferences
-The VA just being the VA
-Solyndra support during bankruptcy proceedings
-EPA administrator using false e-mail name when dealing with other US agencies
-Justice Dept refusing to try voter intimidation charges against the “New Black Panthers”
-VP Biden reportedly forcing pool reporters to edit reports and delete photos
-David Axelrod payoff accusations
-State of the Union speech when the POTUS openly declares that he will use his pen to legislate his way around congress
-Obamacare
-Obamacare roll out failure
-Outing the CIA station Chief
...just a reminder that there are still a few additonal questions awaiting answers
Back to the thread...
Can you imagine what the list of Presidential Pardons will look like in 2016? Holy Phonebook, Batman!
Well, clearly he has room for five more names now that he has already pardoned Khirullah Said Wali Khairkhwa, Mullah Mohammad Fazl, Mullah Norullah Noori, Abdul Haq Wasiq, and Mohammed Nabi Omari.
Maybe ole Zack Moussoui, Ramzi Yousef, and Ricky Reid can be pardoned from SuperMax once this silly Bowe Bergdahl business is cleared up.
...surely they have been rehabed as well as the Taliban Five have!
Hell maybe theres hope for Teddy Kaczynski, Terry Nichols, Bobby Hanssen, and Eric Rudolph; maybe we can get them pardoned as well.
On second thoght, maybe we should hold these guys as trading material!
Team Sergeant
06-04-2014, 09:45
Well, clearly he has room for five more names now that he has already pardoned Khirullah Said Wali Khairkhwa, Mullah Mohammad Fazl, Mullah Norullah Noori, Abdul Haq Wasiq, and Mohammed Nabi Omari.
Maybe ole Zack Moussoui, Ramzi Yousef, and Ricky Reid can be pardoned from SuperMax once this silly Bowe Bergdahl business is cleared up.
...surely they have been rehabed as well as the Taliban Five have!
Hell maybe theres hope for Teddy Kaczynski, Terry Nichols, Bobby Hanssen, and Eric Rudolph; maybe we can get them pardoned as well.
On second thoght, maybe we should hold these guys as trading material!
You got me thinking and if I were a betting man I'd be betting barry soetoro's pardon list at the end of his tenure will include the rest of the gitmo detainees......
Instead of them being so smart - did you ever think they could just be that dumb?
Maybe it's possible. Seems unlikely that any one or any group could be this stupid. It makes more sense to me that there is some nefarious plan in place. Their prolonged and persistent assault on American institutions appears to be a systematic and a well planned campaign. What did FDR say," If anything happens in politics you can bet it was planned."
Maybe it's just another blow in a series blows aimed at the military. I mean the systematic removal of general officers who stand their ground. The attempt to change the military retirement causing many to question the decision to make it a career. The changes related to gays and gender policies. Preventing soldiers who have tattoos from becoming officers or warrant officers. Why?
Now they attempt to make a hero out of a deserter. Makes it tough on a young 11 bravo who is stuck in that hell hole to keep his morale in check. Why the Susan Rice media parade where she touted this deserter's heroism? I mean, really? Didn't this same stunt come back to haunt them after the Benghazi debacle.
Are these folks really that stupid? I mean they got this guy who never really had a job in his life elected to the presidency twice. Twice! Maybe David Horowitz pamphlet is on point. http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/articles/rules%20for%20revolution%20(2).pdf
I mean, we may be using wrong ruler when we measure the decisions made by the current administration. Quoting Horowitz:
“The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution.” In other words the cause - whether inner city blacks or women - is never the real cause, but only an occasion to advance the real cause which is the accumulation of power to make
the revolution. That was the all consuming focus of Alinsky and his radicals"
It would be a balm to my soul to believe this group is just stupid. However, I can imagine myself whistling a tune in self satisfaction and then realizing someone had just lifted my wallet. I hate having that dumb look on my face.
And what has really happened to anyone in the administration as a result of Benghazi? Or fast and furious, or the IRS scandal, or...
The president and Ms. Rice seem to think that the crime of desertion in wartime is kind of like skipping class.
Pretty good synopsis by Ralph Peters.
Richard
Why Team Obama Was Blindsided by the Bergdahl Backlash
NRO, 3 June 2014
ongratulations, Mr. President! And identical congrats to your sorcerer’s apprentice, National Security Adviser Susan Rice. By trying to sell him as an American hero, you’ve turned a deserter already despised by soldiers in the know into quite possibly the most-hated individual soldier in the history of our military.
I have never witnessed such outrage from our troops.
Exhibit A: Ms. Rice. In one of the most tone-deaf statements in White House history (we’re making a lot of history here), the national-security advisor, on a Sunday talk show, described Bergdahl as having served “with honor and distinction.” Those serving in uniform and those of us who served previously were already stirred up, but that jaw-dropper drove us into jihad mode.
But pity Ms. Rice. Like the president she serves, she’s a victim of her class. Nobody in the inner circle of Team Obama has served in uniform. It shows. That bit about serving with “honor and distinction” is the sort of perfunctory catch-phrase politicians briefly don as electoral armor. (“At this point in your speech, ma’am, devote one sentence to how much you honor the troops.”)
I actually believe that Ms. Rice was kind of sincere, in her spectacularly oblivious way. In the best Manchurian Candidate manner, she said what she had been programmed to say by her political culture, then she was blindsided by the firestorm she ignited by scratching two flinty words together. At least she didn’t blame Bergdahl’s desertion on a video.
The president, too, appears stunned. He has so little understanding of (or interest in) the values and traditions of our troops that he and his advisers really believed that those in uniform would erupt into public joy at the news of Bergdahl’s release — as D.C. frat kids did when Osama bin Laden’s death was trumpeted.
Both President Obama and Ms. Rice seem to think that the crime of desertion in wartime is kind of like skipping class. They have no idea of how great a sin desertion in the face of the enemy is to those in our military. The only worse sin is to side actively with the enemy and kill your brothers in arms. This is not sleeping in on Monday morning and ducking Gender Studies 101.
But compassion, please! The president and all the president’s men and women are not alone. Our media elite — where it’s a rare bird who bothered to serve in uniform — instantly became experts on military justice. Of earnest mien and blithe assumption, one talking head after another announced that “we always try to rescue our troops, even deserters.”
Uh, no. “Save the deserter” is a recent battle cry of the politically indoctrinated brass. For much of our history, we did make some efforts to track down deserters in wartime. Then we shot or hanged them. Or, if we were in good spirits, we merely used a branding iron to burn a large D into their cheeks or foreheads. Even as we grew more enlightened, desertion brought serious time in a military prison. At hard labor.
This is a fundamental culture clash. Team Obama and its base cannot comprehend the values still cherished by those young Americans “so dumb” they joined the Army instead of going to prep school and then to Harvard. Values such as duty, honor, country, physical courage, and loyalty to your brothers and sisters in arms have no place in Obama World. (Military people don’t necessarily all like each other, but they know they can depend on each other in battle — the sacred trust Bergdahl violated.)
President Obama did this to himself (and to Bergdahl). This beautifully educated man, who never tires of letting us know how much smarter he is than the rest of us, never stopped to consider that our troops and their families might have been offended by their commander-in-chief staging a love-fest at the White House to celebrate trading five top terrorists for one deserter and featuring not the families of those soldiers (at least six of them) who died in the efforts to find and free Bergdahl, but, instead, giving a starring role on the international stage to Pa Taliban, parent of a deserter and a creature of dubious sympathies (that beard on pops ain’t a tribute to ZZ Top). How do you say “outrageous insult to our vets” in Pashto?
Nor, during the recent VA scandal, had the president troubled himself to host the families of survivors of those vets who died awaiting care. No, the warmest attention our president has ever paid to a “military family” was to Mr. and Mrs. Bergdahl.
(I will refrain from criticism of the bumptious attempts to cool the flames of this political conflagration by Secretary Hagel: I never pick on the weak.)
What is to be done? Behind the outrage triggered by Team Obama’s combination of cynicism and obliviousness (Bergdahl was so ill we had to set those terrorists free immediately, without notifying Congress, but now he’s chugging power shakes in a military hospital . . . and all this just happened to come at the peak of the VA scandal . . . ), military members don’t really want to lynch Bergdahl. But they want justice.
Our military leaders need to rediscover their moral courage and honor our traditions, our regulations, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. We need a fresh, unprejudiced 15-6 investigation (the military equivalent of a grand jury). We already know, as the military has known since the first 24 hours after Bergdahl abandoned his post, that sufficient evidence exists for a court-martial, but it’s important to do this by the numbers.
It’s hard to believe that the resulting court-martial would not find Bergdahl guilty of desertion (although there will be heavy White House pressure to reduce the charge to Absent Without Leave, or AWOL, status, a lesser offense). If he is convicted, I for one do not want him to go to prison. I’m sure he’s paid and paid for betraying his comrades, quite possibly suffering brutal sexual violence. But if he is found guilty, he needs to be formally reduced to the rank of private, stripped of all privileges and entitlements (the taxpayer should not pay for a deserter’s lifelong health care — Bergdahl’s book and film deals can cover that), and he should be given the appropriate prison sentence, which would then be commuted by the president. Thereafter, let Mr. Bergdahl go home and live with himself.
As for President Obama, how about just one word of thanks to the families of those fallen soldiers you sent out to find Bowe Bergdahl?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/379481/why-team-obama-was-blindsided-bergdahl-backlash-ralph-peters#!
Snaquebite
06-04-2014, 13:55
Curious, All the glad handing by the US CIVILIANS at the exchange. Why did they wait until they are almost in the chopper before the pat-down?
Wonder what was in the bag he was carrying. They dropped it in the ground when they frisked him.
Good piece.
I do not think I've felt such inner rage as I have over this affair and what our 'leaders' have executed here.
I was afraid this story would lose traction but am relieved it has not...the only bright spot is seeing this on the news nightly.
He summed it up well.
Good piece.
I do not think I've felt such inner rage as I have over this affair and what our 'leaders' have executed here.
I was afraid this story would lose traction but am relieved it has not...the only bright spot is seeing this on the news nightly.
He summed it up well.
It was a good piece and YOU have certainly summed up my feelings as well, inner rage indeed.
Team Sergeant
06-04-2014, 14:18
The only individual more incompetent than barry soetoro, National Security Adviser Susan Rice.
I like this part, def sums up how I felt when that moron said it.........
Exhibit A: Ms. Rice. In one of the most tone-deaf statements in White House history (we’re making a lot of history here), the national-security advisor, on a Sunday talk show, described Bergdahl as having served “with honor and distinction.” Those serving in uniform and those of us who served previously were already stirred up, but that jaw-dropper drove us into jihad mode.
Unapologetic Soldier
06-04-2014, 14:20
VA debacle... followed by Bergdahl release. I don't believe in coincidence.
I wonder, will the truth of his "capture" ever be revealed? Or, will they cover it up and treat him as a "hero"?
I agree 100%!!! Coincidence? I think not. Nothing is what it seems.
mojaveman
06-04-2014, 14:55
Horton, the artistic director of Sun Valley Ballet in Idaho, said she was Bergdahl's ballet teacher and later, she became his roommate in his hometown of Hailey, Idaho, when Bergdahl was about 18 or 19 years old.
I've always heard that male ballet dancers get all the broads.
http://news.yahoo.com/bowe-bergdahl-former-roomates-paint-different-picture-controversial-054142007--abc-news-topstories.html
Badger52
06-04-2014, 15:21
Maybe these folks' family (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/04/missing-western-couple-in-afghanistan-plead-for-help-in-videos/) should hope that GITMO doesn't run out of barter items. They seem to be getting spent like currency (but nothing apparently to go south of the border for a Marine).
:rolleyes:
The zeroized regime can't even follow their own prime foreign policy dicta of "don't do stupid (stuff)." But other people will and now that everyone knows that hostages can clearly be sold...
I always heard that male ballet dancers got all the broads.
Have you seen her picture? Broad is the correct description. ;)
Pat
Horton, the artistic director of Sun Valley Ballet in Idaho, said she was Bergdahl's ballet teacher and later, she became his roommate in his hometown of Hailey, Idaho, when Bergdahl was about 18 or 19 years old.
I always heard that male ballet dancers got all the broads.
http://news.yahoo.com/bowe-bergdahl-former-roomates-paint-different-picture-controversial-054142007--abc-news-topstories.html
Taliban and Haqqani say that Bergdahl Danseur got all the right moves.
Utah Bob
06-04-2014, 15:27
Horton, the artistic director of Sun Valley Ballet in Idaho, said she was Bergdahl's ballet teacher and later, she became his roommate in his hometown of Hailey, Idaho, when Bergdahl was about 18 or 19 years old.
I always heard that male ballet dancers got all the broads.
http://news.yahoo.com/bowe-bergdahl-former-roomates-paint-different-picture-controversial-054142007--abc-news-topstories.html
BALLET??? Well there's yer problem right there!
Odd he didn't go for another branch of the service eh?
I'm not saying anything....
I'm just sayin':munchin
Utah Bob
06-04-2014, 15:40
Have you seen her picture? Broad is the correct description. ;)
Pat
Looks like she decided to pass on the pas de deaux quite a while ago.
The Reaper
06-04-2014, 15:48
But he was a good soldier.
For the Taliban.
And a damn fine chai boy as well, I hear. :D
TR
Looks like she decided to pass on the pas de deaux quite a while ago.
And went for the pasta per due. :D
Pat
This is a link to the Hailey Idaho Mayor's office and Town Council...let them know what you think about the Towns planned welcome home celebration thru email
Keep it pithy and upright....just tell the truth.
http://www.haileycityhall.org/cityCouncil/index.asp
It worked:
Newly freed soldier's Idaho hometown cancels rally amid backlash
http://news.yahoo.com/idaho-hometown-newly-freed-soldier-cancels-planned-celebration-202815856.html;_ylt=AwrBEiKcg49T4QYAFcDQtDMD
Pat
Good piece.
I do not think I've felt such inner rage as I have over this affair and what our 'leaders' have executed here.
I was afraid this story would lose traction but am relieved it has not...the only bright spot is seeing this on the news nightly.
He summed it up well.
But with all the focus on Bergdahl you can be assured that something far more sinister is being run through the back door, something like immigration.
Case in point:
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/06/04/us-government-scrambles-to-make-room-for-child-migrants-driven-here-by/
But with all the focus on Bergdahl you can be assured that something far more sinister is being run through the back door, something like immigration.
Case in point:
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/06/04/us-government-scrambles-to-make-room-for-child-migrants-driven-here-by/
Well the Navy will be able to have a bunch of new Boot Blacks at base. You can never get a good shine these days.....
It worked:
Pat
Good, I've been sending stories, info and pics all week.
We need more signatures..
Sign and pass on..
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/punish-bowe-bergdahl-being-awol-desertion-during-operation-enduring-freedom/BVPwpnrN
The emerging spin now is two-fold; it was our last best chance, easy to remember and repeat by the zombies, and "swift boating", also easy to remember. I'm curious to see how many other more phrases that will become daily talking points.
Wonder what was in the bag he was carrying. They dropped it in the ground when they frisked him.
Probably a pink burqua.
NurseTim
06-04-2014, 20:48
We need more signatures..
Sign and pass on..
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/punish-bowe-bergdahl-being-awol-desertion-during-operation-enduring-freedom/BVPwpnrN
Really? I'm surprised anyone actually thinks this has any effect whatsoever on anything at all.
Granted these aren't tactitcians, but do you honestly think all possible angles, reaction, or responses haven't been plotted to the minutest detail? There are likely power points occupying field grades for the past 2 years and now being updated by dog robbers of flag officers as to what possible reaction the American people will have.
PedOncoDoc
06-05-2014, 05:17
But with all the focus on Bergdahl you can be assured that something far more sinister is being run through the back door, something like immigration.
Case in point:
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/06/04/us-government-scrambles-to-make-room-for-child-migrants-driven-here-by/
That and a distraction from the VA atrocity.
Snaquebite
06-05-2014, 05:45
Waiting for this spin....
"It was necessary for the US to retrieve Bergdahl by whatever means necessary as aspect of national security." We had information that indicated that he (Bergdahl) had been assisting the Taliban in training and other efforts that placed our current forces on the ground in Afghanistan in more serious danger and jeopardized on-going operations."
Then go full out on the investigation. IMHO it's the administration's only way out of this.
Waiting for this spin....
"It was necessary for the US to retrieve Bergdahl by whatever means necessary as aspect of national security." We had information that indicated that he (Bergdahl) had been assisting the Taliban in training and other efforts that placed our current forces on the ground in Afghanistan in more serious danger and jeopardized on-going operations."
Then go full out on the investigation. IMHO it's the administration's only way out of this.
They are already starting a soft spin. They are saying that they may have been told that he initially left his post but his situation later changed. WTF does that mean?
The little TURD Deserted his Combat post and went into the country side looking for new friends. Pretty clear to me.:munchin
Snaquebite
06-05-2014, 06:45
They are already starting a soft spin. They are saying that they may have been told that he initially left his post but his situation later changed. WTF does that mean?
The little TURD Deserted his Combat post and went into the country side looking for new friends. Pretty clear to me.:munchin
IMHO his fan club and most of the MSM would fall for it.
The Washington Post
Impeach Barack Obama
BY ALLEN B. WEST June 4 at 10:14 AM
Allen West is a former member of the House of Representatives and author of "Guardian of the Republic."
Should this guy even be President? Allen West says no. (REUTERS/Kacper Pempel)
This week, on WMALs “Morning on the Mall” radio show with hosts Brian and Larry I was asked a simple question relating to the Taliban prisoner release and impeachment of the president. I responded yes that in this current case, the U.S. House of Representatives should file articles of impeachment against Barack Hussein Obama.
Now before all the detractors go apoplectic here, let me tell you about Article 2 signing statements, their intent, purpose, history, and usage, and the implications for the president’s impeachment.
President Obama used an Article 2 signing statement to deem unconstitutional a measure HE had signed into law contained in the National Defense Authorization Act. The law stated that he must advise Congress within 30 days about any plans to transfer detainees from GITMO. Obama basically stated that this was “unconstitutional” and that his unilateral action fell within his purview. Once again Obama used selective discretion as to what law he feels he must adhere to — in this case it has severe ramifications for our national security.
Why would the United States acquiesce to the demands of a non-state, non-uniform terrorist organization — the Taliban? The Taliban is our enemy and it is not a nation-state with whom we should enter into negotiations. There are some 141 detainees at GITMO. The five released were senior Taliban officials, basically members of Mullah Omar’s inner circle. If we wanted to release detainees in exchange for Bergdahl, there were many others to choose from. Why these?
The rate of recidivism for GITMO released detainees has gone from 1 in 6 to 1 in 3 — and why would we think a one-year travel ban out of Qatar will be respected, or even make a difference with today’s modern communications technology? Even Obama has now stated they may just return to terrorist activity.
Obama’s breaking of the law in this case presents serious national security concerns — for all Americans. This is aiding and abetting the enemy, which goes along with the collusion of this administration with Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated organizations and supplying weapons and arms to Islamists.
Obama just released the leadership of a terrorist organization, and what did we get in return? A deserter, who by his own self-proclamation harbors anti-American sentiments — which it seems that Susan Rice, our esteemed National Security Advisor, didn’t even realize his heinous actions — or maybe as usual she just lied about it again. Bergdahl served the United States with honor and distinction? Let’s not send Susan Rice out ever again.
To hear Obama state that “no American should be left behind” — has he forgotten about Benghazi and Marine SGT Tahmooressi? How about leaving behind American veterans to die?
Ladies and gentlemen, I submit that Barack Hussein Obama’s unilateral negotiations with terrorists and the ensuing release of their key leadership without consult — mandated by law — with the U.S. Congress represents high crimes and misdemeanors, an impeachable offense.
So I call upon the leadership of the U.S. House of Representatives; Speaker John Boehner, Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to draft articles of impeachment as no one is above the law in America. The failure to do so speaks volumes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/06/04/impeach-barack-obama/
Streck-Fu
06-05-2014, 08:25
No matter how warranted, the problem with impeachment is the Senate.
Snaquebite
06-05-2014, 08:33
No matter how warranted, the problem with impeachment is the Senate.
Hopefully only until Jan 3, 2015
Team Sergeant
06-05-2014, 08:40
Bergdahl's health is failing...... funny he looks just fine to me. Another barry soetoro, susan rice chuck hagel lie.
So you lied to skirt congress , a congress that would have said no to the swap. barry soetoro, susan rice chuck hagel lied to make the current administration look good but it's backfiring in a big way.
Americans were killed looking for this deserter, many were wounded. Now barry soetoro, susan rice chuck hagel have decided unilaterally to negotiate with known terrorists for this deserters return.
barry soetoro, susan rice chuck hagel have now returned 5 terrorists to the Middle East to continue the killing of American soldiers.
barry soetoro, susan rice chuck hagel, how many more American's need die because of your incompetent and illegal decisions before you're removed from office?
So when these five terrorists once again kill Americans can we, the American people, indict barry soetoro, susan rice chuck hagel in aiding and abetting known terrorists? Can we then put them in prison?
barry soetoro, susan rice chuck hagel, bottom feeding scum that spit in the eyes of every military member past and present.
(1VB)compforce
06-05-2014, 08:41
No matter how warranted, the problem with impeachment is the Senate.
...and the person that takes over if successful
Streck-Fu
06-05-2014, 08:57
LINK (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/barack-obama-bowe-bergdahl-no-apology-107477.html)
Then, Obama repeated his insistence that he won’t be saying sorry.
“I make absolutely no apologies for making sure that we get back a young man to his parents and that the American people understand that this is somebody’s child. And that we don’t condition whether or not we make the effort to try to get them back,” he said.
Translation: This deserting Blue Fucking Falcon's return to his parents is far more important than the return of those that died while searching for him or those people of any country who may killed in the future by the released murderers.
Snaquebite
06-05-2014, 09:05
Question: Is it possible to do a FOIA request on a unit's Staff Duty journal?
It would be interesting to read the 1st Bn 501st journal for the day of and after Bergdahl's disappearance.
Team Sergeant
06-05-2014, 09:10
Another pillow biting, barry soetoro wannabe, "Brandon Friedman", the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at Department of Housing and Urban Development
More spitting in the face of the US Military by the current administration. As much as this is pissing off US Veterans you think the administration would keep it's mouth shut.
Keep up spitting in our faces and see what happens......
barry soetoro, fast tracking the United States into a 3rd World country......
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/05/White-House-Official-What-if-Bergdahl-s-Fellow-Soldiers-Were-Psychopaths
Obama Admin Official: What If Bergdahl's Fellow Soldiers Were Psychopaths?
by Charlie Spiering 5 Jun 2014, 3:40 AM PDT
An Obama administration official upset with the direction of the Bergdhal story voiced his concern on Twitter on Wednesday, floating a theory that put Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in a more sympathetic light--and his fellow soldiers as part of the problem.
The American people, he argued, were too quick to jump to conclusions about Bergdahl after his fellow soldiers spoke out about his disappearance.
“Here's the thing about Bergdahl and the Jump-to-Conclusions mats: What if his platoon was long on psychopaths and short on leadership?” asked Brandon Friedman, the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at Department of Housing and Urban Development, in a series of Twitter posts.
cont:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/05/White-House-Official-What-if-Bergdahl-s-Fellow-Soldiers-Were-Psychopaths
Team Sergeant
06-05-2014, 09:14
Question: Is it possible to do a FOIA request on a unit's Staff Duty journal?
It would be interesting to read the 1st Bn 501st journal for the day of and after Bergdahl's disappearance.
Five bucks says someone classified them due to "National Security" reasons.
Streck-Fu
06-05-2014, 09:15
Just make all the emails between Bergdahl and his parents public. Publish them chronologically in a pdf. Let every one read his words....
Snaquebite
06-05-2014, 09:22
Five bucks says someone classified them due to "National Security" reasons.
I just emailed the Vice chair of the Intelligence committee with this suggestion. He's a Republican from Georgia, my home state and voicing discontent with this entire situation.
Five bucks says someone classified them due to "National Security" reasons.
JCRC POW/MIA files were classified with strict NOFORN/LIMDIS status until the case was resolved; some case components remained that way even afterwards for a variety of reasons. I suspect the Bergdahl files will be treated similarly.
Richard
Dean Jarvis
06-05-2014, 09:35
Listen to the comments from this arrogant Bitch Marie Harf with the State Department. Hell it's been 5 years since the deserter left his post and they haven't a clue about the circumstance. Did they just hear about this on CNN:confused:
Everything about this administration is to delay any comment or draw any conclusions until they have a full investigation. Yeah, so how long does that take. :mad: We're still waiting for Fast and Furious and the other dozen or so scandals to be investigated.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/3604929088001/fellow-soldier-says-attacks-increased-after-bergdahl-left/#sp=show-clips
Snaquebite
06-05-2014, 09:38
JCRC POW/MIA files were classified with strict NOFORN/LIMDIS status until the case was resolved; some case components remained that way even afterwards for a variety of reasons. I suspect the Bergdahl files will be treated similarly.
Richard
but, but, ...he was never listed as a POW....:rolleyes:
Good point. However, like the old saying goes, if you don't ask.....
Also messaged Jake Trapper, who seems to be doing a lot of good investigating.
PedOncoDoc
06-05-2014, 10:51
What if his platoon was long on psychopaths and short on leadership?” asked Brandon Friedman, the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at Department of Housing and Urban Development, in a series of Twitter posts.
What if our current president was long on narcissism and short on leadership?
Would that justify ignoring/neglecting anything the administration puts into law/EO? :munchin
There are a number of reasons why the file of a POW/MIA would be - and remain - classified.
Almost all of which were negated in the "facts" surrounding BB's walk off and the publicity that followed. Seeing that his family became public players afterwards negates the rest of the reasons.
Obama Admin Official Suggests Bergdahl's Platoon Mates Were "Psychopaths"
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2014/06/05/obama-admin-official-suggests-bergdahls-platoon-mates-were-psychopaths-n1848125
"..Here's the thing about Bergdahl and the Jump-to-Conclusions mats: What if his platoon was long on psychopaths and short on leadership?.."
"..What if he grew disillusioned with what he saw, didn't trust his leadership, and walked off? Legal? No. Worthy of sympathy? Maybe..."
"..If that were the case, the soldiers in his platoon would have all the more reason to smear him publicly now..."
I can see where this "investigation" will go.
The dude who tweeted that was Brandon Friedman, the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at the U.S. Dept. of Housing and Urban Development.
Nothing strange here - the left believes military folks are psychopaths - or at least terrorists.