View Full Version : American DESERTER Bergdahl Freed in Prisoner Exchange
Snaquebite
06-05-2014, 13:00
From Wikileaks
KIDNAPPING RPT B CO 1-501 PIR : 0 INJ/DAM
At 0430Z, TF 1 Geronimo reported a B Co missing soldier after he did not show up for the 0900L morning roll call at Mest OP, grid 42SVB 59236 47877 Yahya Khail District, Paktika. A full search was ordered. At 0535Z, TF 1 Geronimo initiated DUSTWUN procedures for the missing soldier. At 0645Z, all remaining units had reported in 100% accountability. Geronimo TOC ordered blocking positions set in and around Mest OP. At 0707Z, Predator (VooDoo) was on station in support. At 0940Z, a Pathfinder and tracking dog team arrived at Mest OP in support. At 0945Z, Predator (Pfingston) arrived on station in support. At 1012Z, LLVI receives traffic that an American Soldier with a camera is looking for someone who speaks English. At 1303Z, Graphic 33(2x F-18) arrived on station in support. At 1309Z, FF receive intelligence that a U.S. soldier has been captured. At 1351Z, VooDoo and Pfingston RIP with Predator (Sijan). At 1520Z, Sijan RIPs with Predator (Kisling) and DUDE-21 (2x F-15) arrives on station to support. Between 1725Z and 1800Z, B Co conducted 2 breaches of suspected enemy locations with NSTR. Additional forces were moving into the area to place blocking positions and conduct searches based on all of the aerial and ground based intelligence sources available throughout the day and through the night.
ISAF Tracking #06-2426
Event Title:CAPTURED SOLDIER
Zone:null
Placename:ISAF# 06-2426
Outcome:null
S:1 X US SOLDIER
A: MISSSING SOLDIER
L:VB 592 478
T:300430zJUNE09
U: Bco 1-501
R: INITIATE DUSTWUN
MORE: http://wikileaks.org/afg/event/2009/06/AFG20090630n1790.html
Snaquebite
06-05-2014, 13:12
Obama Admin Official Suggests Bergdahl's Platoon Mates Were "Psychopaths"
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2014/06/05/obama-admin-official-suggests-bergdahls-platoon-mates-were-psychopaths-n1848125
"..Here's the thing about Bergdahl and the Jump-to-Conclusions mats: What if his platoon was long on psychopaths and short on leadership?.."
"..What if he grew disillusioned with what he saw, didn't trust his leadership, and walked off? Legal? No. Worthy of sympathy? Maybe..."
"..If that were the case, the soldiers in his platoon would have all the more reason to smear him publicly now..."
I can see where this "investigation" will go.
The dude who tweeted that was Brandon Friedman, the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at the U.S. Dept. of Housing and Urban Development.
Nothing strange here - the left believes military folks are psychopaths - or at least terrorists.
This guy was an infantry officer in the 101st in the early 2000's. Now working in the Obama Admin as a HUD guy. It is so very interesting how the Obama Admin co-opts people by giving them jobs and then trots these guys out there to combat their incompetence.
I just emailed the Vice chair of the Intelligence committee with this suggestion. He's a Republican from Georgia, my home state and voicing discontent with this entire situation.
but, but, ...he was never listed as a POW....:rolleyes:
Good point. However, like the old saying goes, if you don't ask.....
Also messaged Jake Trapper, who seems to be doing a lot of good investigating.
Ask Congressman Trey Goudy to look into it. He seems like the kind of guy to dig into this kind of issue.
:munchin
Oh wait ... isn't he already digging into some other issue involving Barry's administration. I seem to remember seeing something about that on the news just a bit ago before this traitor Bergdahl issue came to light?
Monsoon65
06-05-2014, 15:06
This guy was an infantry officer in the 101st in the early 2000's. Now working in the Obama Admin as a HUD guy. It is so very interesting how the Obama Admin co-opts people by giving them jobs and then trots these guys out there to combat their incompetence.
According to this shitbird, "actual military people" are satisfied with his return.
I wonder where he's getting that bit of info? Most that I know of want a full-blown investigation, or just wanna hang him from the nearest tree.
Thought this was interesting . I myself was horrified by the lack of a pat-down on him.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/05/special-forces-members-noticed-something-in-the-bergdahl-release-video-that-you-probably-missed/
Stan McChrystal's comments.
Richard
McChrystal on Bergdahl: ‘We don’t leave Americans behind. That’s unequivocal’
YN, 4 une 2014
Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal on Wednesday urged Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s critics not to “judge” him until all the facts are in and sharply defended the extensive and risky search efforts that claimed the lives of some of his fellow soldiers.
“We did a huge number of operations to try to stop the Taliban from being able to move him across the border into Pakistan,” McChrystal told Yahoo News in an exclusive interview. “And we made a great effort and put a lot of people at risk in doing that, but that’s what you should do. That’s what soldiers do for each other.”
Bergdahl’s release as part of a prisoner swap involving five Taliban commanders has drawn angry scrutiny in Congress. It has also prompted some of his former comrades in arms to paint him as a deserter unworthy of the frantic search efforts on his behalf.
McChrystal, who commanded the war effort in Afghanistan at the time of Bergdahl’s June 2009 vanishing, declined to shed any more light on the circumstances of his disappearance.
“We’re going to have to wait and talk to Sgt. Bergdahl now and get his side of the story,” he said. “One of the great things about America is we should not judge until we know the facts. And after we know the facts, then we should make a mature judgment on how we should handle it.”
Asked whether he would have made the same prisoner swap, McChrystal replied: “We don’t leave Americans behind. That’s unequivocal.”
“There will be a lot of discussion on whether the mechanism for getting Sgt. Bergdahl back was right — and I’ll leave it to people to argue that,” he added.
http://news.yahoo.com/mcchrystal-on-bergdahl---we-don-t-leave-americans-behind--that-s-unequivocal-193638795.html
I'm getting a bit tired of the 'official' talking points even when they couch their terms.....
When you leave your post you lose your card.
The Reaper
06-05-2014, 19:43
Stan McChrystal's comments.
Richard
McChrystal on Bergdahl: ‘We don’t leave Americans behind. That’s unequivocal’
YN, 4 une 2014
Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal on Wednesday urged Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s critics not to “judge” him until all the facts are in and sharply defended the extensive and risky search efforts that claimed the lives of some of his fellow soldiers.
“We did a huge number of operations to try to stop the Taliban from being able to move him across the border into Pakistan,” McChrystal told Yahoo News in an exclusive interview. “And we made a great effort and put a lot of people at risk in doing that, but that’s what you should do. That’s what soldiers do for each other.”
Bergdahl’s release as part of a prisoner swap involving five Taliban commanders has drawn angry scrutiny in Congress. It has also prompted some of his former comrades in arms to paint him as a deserter unworthy of the frantic search efforts on his behalf.
McChrystal, who commanded the war effort in Afghanistan at the time of Bergdahl’s June 2009 vanishing, declined to shed any more light on the circumstances of his disappearance.
“We’re going to have to wait and talk to Sgt. Bergdahl now and get his side of the story,” he said. “One of the great things about America is we should not judge until we know the facts. And after we know the facts, then we should make a mature judgment on how we should handle it.”
Asked whether he would have made the same prisoner swap, McChrystal replied: “We don’t leave Americans behind. That’s unequivocal.”
“There will be a lot of discussion on whether the mechanism for getting Sgt. Bergdahl back was right — and I’ll leave it to people to argue that,” he added.
http://news.yahoo.com/mcchrystal-on-bergdahl---we-don-t-leave-americans-behind--that-s-unequivocal-193638795.html
Yeah, well, "We don't negotiate with terrorists" used to be unequivocal as well.
TR
BTW, why are the Tangos Toyota's hoods up? I do that to leave the A/C running when I have to leave the dog locked in the Tahoe. They didn't seem to have the A/C running.
Pat
I didnt realize Stanley McChrystal was such a democrat.
I agree that we don't leave people behind, but it seems like we are still waiting for the results of a five year old investigation thats says he deserted his post.
Maybe he is setting himself up to be Hillarys running mate.
I didnt realize Stanley McChrystal was such a democrat.
I agree that we don't leave people behind, but it seems like we are still waiting for the results of a five year old investigation thats says he deserted his post.
Maybe he is setting himself up to be Hillarys running mate.
Not unlike the paperwork that McChrystal lost for Capt. William Swenson's Medal of Honor in 2010??
Just after dawn, after inserting into the valley and approaching Ganjgal, the Task Force came under heavy machine gun, small arms and RPG fire from at least 100 entrenched Taliban fighters, far more than indicated was present by intelligence reports. The Task Force soon found itself pinned down in a three-sided ambush and being taunted over open radio channels by Taliban fighters.[8] Initial calls for artillery support were rejected by the command post due to new rules of engagement put in place by the commander of the International Security Assistance Force, General Stanley McChrystal, in an effort to reduce civilian casualties. Both an Army artillery NCO and an Air Force Joint terminal attack controller took immediate action to provide the ambushed US-Afghan unit with fire support but were overruled by the command post.[5] ETT 2-8 informed their command post that they were not near the village but were again denied fire support. ETT 2-8 began calls for emergency helicopter support but the adjacent helicopter assets were tied up and taking fire in support of another operation.[citation needed]
Did McChrystal have an ROI for deserters, as well as ROE??
ROE - Rules on Engagement
ROI - Return on Investments
BTW, why are the Tangos Toyota's hoods up? .....
They got a new CO who wants to make sure they are doing their PMCS.
"Hoods Up? Must be doing the required checks."
And on leaving no man behind.......
The Army didn't leave BB, BB left the Army.
I didnt realize Stanley McChrystal was such a democrat.
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Really? Like we didn't know Shinseki was one during the Clinton years?
They haven’t even let him make one phone call to his parents. Kind of seems like he is under some kind of custody? I mean not even a phone call.
They haven’t even let him make one phone call to his parents. Kind of seems like he is under some kind of custody? I mean not even a phone call.
This is telling. The first tearful phone call home would a great photo op and news clip that the would give the administration miles of great human interest PR. Interviews with the family, the Army, the O on how glad we all are to have Bowe home. But not happening. No inside scoops on Bowe's first meal out of captivity, nothing. All signs that this is getting ready to go south for the O.
I've heard several press corps members state that you are innocent until proven guilty. IIRC, under the UCMJ, you are guilty until proven innocent. Has this changed? Because that appears to be how this is being handled.:munchin
Stealthed
06-06-2014, 09:09
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/06/06/nr-sot-rice-obama-foreign-policy-concerns-part-1.cnn.html
Susan Rice is such a clown. According to her, the men he served with coming out with the truth including the ones KIA are "public opinion." All I hear coming out of her mouth are excuses, excuses, excuses. 0% accountability. Such is and will be the legacy of this administration.
blue02hd
06-06-2014, 09:49
They haven’t even let him make one phone call to his parents. Kind of seems like he is under some kind of custody? I mean not even a phone call.
Well, my guess is that he is undergoing the full meal deal with respect to IP Recovery and Repatriation. This is a phased process, and no contact with outsiders is standard. Remember the incident with China and our Recon bird? Once we got that air crew back mistake upon mistake was made that resulted in years of follow up therapy. They were actually ordered to go on leave then return to finish the debrief and repat process. Didn't turn out so well. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast with this case. He has 5 years worth of crap to down load, and every alpha bet agency out there is most likely standing in line to see him.
THEN throw in the political issues, loyalty issues, and media scrutiny? What a nut roll. No news is good news. It appears that the JPRA are handling this one correctly.
Snaquebite
06-06-2014, 09:57
I just heard that the bad guys were actually released FIVE days before we got BB back....anyone else here this?
Yeah, well, "We don't negotiate with terrorists" used to be unequivocal as well.
TR
Yeah, now we 'elect' them.
Really? Like we didn't know Shinseki was one during the Clinton years?
Or McRaven now?
By Susan Rice's metric Benedict Arnold served with honor and distinction....
ddoering
06-06-2014, 13:54
I didn't see this coming: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/freed-taliban-commander-tells-relative-hell-fight-americans-again-n124451
ESHAWAR, Pakistan - One of the five Taliban leaders freed from Guantanamo Bay in return for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's release has pledged to return to fight Americans in Afghanistan, according to a fellow militant and a relative.
"After arriving in Qatar, Noorullah Noori kept insisting he would go to Afghanistan and fight American forces there,” a Taliban commander told NBC News via telephone from Afghanistan.
Noori pushed to return to Afghanistan after learning that the U.S. had provided written assurances that no country would arrest any of the five freed for a year as long as they lived peacefully, one of his relatives told NBC News by telephone from Afghanistan.
So if this guy kills someone who is responsible?
By Susan Rice's metric Benedict Arnold served with honor and distinction....
So did murderer Nidal Hasan. :mad:
Excellent interview by Megyn Kelly last night with 6 of BB's platoon members: LINK (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/06/megyn_kelly_hosts_6_of_bowe_bergdahls_platoon_mate s_hes_not_a_hero.html)
SGT Justin Gerleve - BB's Platoon Leader (?)
SGT Evan Buetow - BB's Team Leader
SGT Matt Vierkant
SPC Cody Full - BB's roommate
SPC Gerald Sutton - BB's best friend on team
SPC Joshua Cornelison - Platoon Medic
It is remarkable how consistent they all are with their stories and memories of those events 5 years ago. Also remarkable that while they seem frustrated for the truth to come out, they're also compassionate towards Bowe being brought home and explaining his side of the story. Which is opposite of how the liberal media, or liberals in general, are painting these young soldiers (vindictive, psychopaths, etc).
Cody Full: "I don’t know how he felt about us, but we would all die for him.”
Part 2 of her interview with them is tonight. FOXNews 21:00 ET.
So did murderer Nidal Hasan. :mad:
Even better example...and I sent that to Oreilley...I like it.
Asked whether he would have made the same prisoner swap, McChrystal replied: “We don’t leave Americans behind. That’s unequivocal.”
Hmmm. He should go tell that to Bill Buckley's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Francis_Buckley) family.
Stealthed
06-07-2014, 04:18
Hmmm. He should go tell that to Bill Buckley's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Francis_Buckley) family.
Major General Carl Stiner stated that "Buckley's kidnapping had become a major CIA concern. Not long after his capture, his agents either vanished or were killed. It was clear that his captors had tortured him into revealing the network of agents he had established."[9] According to the US, Buckley had undergone 15 months of torture by Hezbollah before his death. In a video taken approximately seven months after the kidnapping, his appearance was described as follows:[10]
Buckley was close to a gibbering wretch. His words were often incoherent; he slobbered and drooled and, most unnerving of all, he would suddenly scream in terror, his eyes rolling helplessly and his body shaking. ... The CIA consensus was that he would be blindfolded and chained at the ankles and wrists and kept in a cell little bigger than a coffin.
Chilling. I don't think Gen. McChrystal would have an answer for that.
Maybe... "Well, back then we didn't negotiate with terrorists."
Stealthed
06-07-2014, 04:26
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/06/05/ac-lone-survivor-author-marcus-luttrell-bergdahl.cnn.html
Interesting words/points from Marcus Luttrell.
Hmmm. He should go tell that to Bill Buckley's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Francis_Buckley) family.
Apples (DOD) v oranges (CIA) - time, location, political situation, organizations involved, assets available in the area and capabilities, etc. And Buckley rests in Arlington.
"Well, back then we didn't negotiate with terrorists."
That's but a myth and political soundbyte for general public consumption.
Richard
NurseTim
06-07-2014, 10:12
Apples (DOD) v oranges (CIA) - time, location, political situation, organizations involved, assets available in the area and capabilities, etc. And Buckley rests in Arlington.
That's but a myth and political soundbyte for general public consumption.
Richard
During the past unpleasantness with the former soviet union, didn't we regularly trade prisoners? During our time in Southeast Asia, didn't we exchange prisoners? I'm pretty certain we did, and I don't know shit from shinola. Those with HSLD credentials know more accurately if I'm FOS.
By Susan Rice's metric Benedict Arnold served with honor and distinction....
Her on CNN yesterday was such as Frinkin joke. But you can tell and know that the WH was and is on full spin mode. No one in the DoD will do crap to this POS.
"He has been tried in public opinion already" Amb Rice.
Surf n Turf
06-07-2014, 11:59
During the past unpleasantness with the former soviet union, didn't we regularly trade prisoners? During our time in Southeast Asia, didn't we exchange prisoners? I'm pretty certain we did, and I don't know shit from shinola. Those with HSLD credentials know more accurately if I'm FOS.
Francis Gary Powers, an American Pilot working for the Government, was exchanged for Russian KGB Colonel Vilyam Genrikhovich Fisher (aka Rudolf Ivanovich Abel) at the Glienicke Bridge in West Germany.
An American student Frederic Pryor was also released at the same time at "Checkpoint Charlie", also in West Berlin.
In April 1964, a Russian KGB agent, Konon Molody (aka Gordon Arnold Lonsdale) was exchanged for Greville Wynne, a British Technical agent, on the same Glienicke Bridge.
SnT
ddoering
06-07-2014, 16:56
And by negotiating with terrorists O has finally surpassed Jimmy Carter. Congratulations.:lifter
Old Dog New Trick
06-07-2014, 20:48
Haven't had much to say about this but, it's been interesting reading.
As far as prisoner swaps go, sure we've traded spies for spies, and returned POWs at the end of wars that were only guilty of following order but committed no war crimes (that we knew of). Problem is we haven't really negotiated with a non-state (terrorist-supporting) entity since Reagan made famous - We don't negotiate with terrorists.
Whatever failing health this coward and trader was suffering was not worth the trade for these five senior leaders of the Taliban. Bad trade, done against the laws of our nation by the president and SecDef. It at least should have been done within the law, if at all. If BB was sick and wanted to go home, he should asked his captors (cohorts) to drop him off at the local hospital and been done with it.
I don't give two spits about this guy, he chose his poison and has now compromised a nation and its people for a long time to come. I ask, where was the CinC during the last five years if he gave two shits about BB being held by the Taliban - he didn't. But now he needed a feel good story and he gets what he deserves. I can only hope he drags the rest of his followers down with him!
I'm only too happy to know that, "Five Years to Freedom" has already been taken by a much worthier person.
Trying to employ revisionist history by equating the return of JOhn McCain at the end of Vietnam, or the Gary Powers trade with what went on recently is a straw man arguement.
For one, Russia is a country, not an organization. Vietnam (north and south) = same thing. The Taliban....
...wait, was this "the Taliban" or was it part of the Haqqani network that we dealt with? There are different groups of bad guys and the "experts" in the belt way like to call everyone 'Taliban' because most of the experts cant spread their own ass checks with both hands. The bad guys that got released may have been Taliban but my money is on the possibility that we have been out-negotiated by a group of international criminals.
This is NOTHING like returning POWs at the end of a war, it is NOTHING like a spy for spy swap. This was making a deal with a criminal organization in the hopes of political gain. Nothing more nothing less.
...and a special thank-you to sweet sue for redefining "honor and distinction"
another act in the comedy of errors that IS the US government
The Home Taught life of Bowe is coming to the surface..
Do you think that Mom & Pop may have had some influence on their kids view of American History and World affairs??.
Another Twist: Bergdahl’s dad was a champion cyclist who became disillusioned with U.S. after boycott of the 1980 Moscow Olympics over war in Afghanistan destroyed his Gold Medal dreams
This Bowe Bergdahl story just gets curiouser and curiouser. In yet another twist to this already strange story, it has come to light that Bowe Bergdahl’s father, Bob Bergdahl, has some anti-American feelings of his own after his Olympic Gold Medal dreams were destroyed when the United States pulled out of the 1980 Olympic Games in Moscow because of the Soviet Union’s invasion of Afghanistan. From the beginning there has been something strange about this whole episode of Bowe Bergdahl’s release.
From the UK Daily Mail:
Bob Bergdahl was a champion cyclist who became disillusioned with the US Government when it boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics, it emerged today.
Bergdahl – the father of under-fire POW Bowe Bergdahl – was devastated when the US pulled out of the Games, citing Russia’s invasion of Afghanistan.
The talented athlete had been selected for the US cycling team and was in line to be picked for the Moscow Olympics.
Ironically, the beef Bowe’s dad Bob has with the US Government began long before the war with theTaliban.
Following the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, President Jimmy Carter issued an ultimatum on January 20, 1980 that the United States would boycott the Moscow Olympics if Soviet troops did not withdraw from Afghanistan.
http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2014/06/06/another-twist-bergdahls-dad-was-a-champion-cyclist-who-became-disillusioned-with-u-s-after-boycott-of-the-1980-moscow-olympics-over-war-in-afghanistan-destroyed-his-gold-medal-dreams/
In the beginning there was Bob Bergdahl and so the Taliban was born...
Daily Mail report suggests that there is little room under that bus...excerpt and link below.
"Now the White House says Hagel made final call on Bergdahl as criticism of Obama over prisoner swap mounts.
Congress learned on Monday that Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel gave final approval for the prisoner exchange that freed Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.
Last week, Hagel said the swap was a unanimous decision made by senior officials.
Hagel is expected to defend the prisoner exchange on Wednesday in an appearance before the House Armed Services Committee."
By ZOE SZATHMARY
PUBLISHED: 01:05 EST, 10 June 2014 | UPDATED: 01:05 EST, 10 June 2014
FInal approval for the prisoner exchange that freed Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was made by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, members of Congress learned on Monday from administration officials.
'They indicated (it was) Secretary Hagel (who made the final call),' Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA) said after a classified briefing, ABC points out.
'It was the president of the United States that came out (in the Rose Garden) with the Bergdahls and took all the credit and now that there’s been a little pushback he’s moving away from it and it’s Secretary Hagel?'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653672/Now-White-House-says-Hagel-final-call-Bergdahl-criticism-Obama-prisoner-swap-mounts.html#ixzz34FQCkVds
(1VB)compforce
06-10-2014, 08:51
Yup, it's gotta hurt when you spike the ball and it bounces back and hits you in the nuts...
Yup, it's gotta hurt when you spike the ball and it bounces back and hits you in the nuts...
Rumor has it that the bulk of this administration finds relief in the form of Vagisil...
Yup, it's gotta hurt when you spike the ball and it bounces back and hits you in the nuts...
Ya gotta have'm to hit'm.. :munchin
Utah Bob
06-10-2014, 09:41
It seems to me that the msm is doing their best to whip up sympathy for poor Bowe. PTSD, locked in a cage, was part of a crappy infantry unit, disillusioned...yada yada.
But I'm probably wrong. They're just doing fair and balanced journalism.:rolleyes:
Daily Mail report suggests that there is little room under that bus...excerpt and link below.
"Now the White House says Hagel made final call on Bergdahl as criticism of Obama over prisoner swap mounts..........."
So......... We are to believe that the POTUS doesn't "do" leadership calls?
Yes.
Oddly, I DO find that easy to believe.
I'm sure if it had gone as planned, the POTUS would have taken ALL the credit and Sergeant Hagel would have been left outside guarding the outside of the officers club while the executives went in to celebrate.
It's a slippery slope and a very fine balance between "we never leave ours behind" and "what price is too high". I for one, do not know the answer/how i feel regarding "what price is too high" but i do invite you to take the time and read from our experiences; there is a clear pattern here. The wartime military to military swaps are one thing, but the terrorist deals have me on the fence as to how i feel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_prisoner_exchanges
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange
This article is long, but an incredible (not necessarily positive) account of the Gilad Shalit abduction and what it means to be a "warrior" or not. Many lessons to be learned.
http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Gilad-Schalits-capture-In-his-own-words-308015
ddoering
06-10-2014, 16:50
So......... We are to believe that the POTUS doesn't "do" leadership calls?
Yes.
Oddly, I DO find that easy to believe.
I'm sure if it had gone as planned, the POTUS would have taken ALL the credit and Sergeant Hagel would have been left outside guarding the outside of the officers club while the executives went in to celebrate.
O is still resting from the stress of killing bin Laden.
So Obama didn't know about this till he heard in on CNN as well I guess?
I am throwing up the bullshit flag once again.
Get with the program.
We all know that Barry learned of this trade from a Youtube video...a vile and disgusting video that precipitated the trade.
<cue shrill, condescending, self-righteous tone here>
“With all due respect, the fact is we had five high level Gitmo detainees. Was it because of a video or a protest or was it because a guy out for a walk one night decided to go find some Taliban?
What difference at this point does it make?”
Badger52
06-13-2014, 16:38
But nothing prepared Alison Spann for news that Mullah Mohammad Fazi, the unquestioned leader of the prisoners at the compound where her father was killed, had been traded along with four cohorts held at Guantanamo Bay for U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who had been held by the Taliban for nearly five years.
Let's see if SECSTATE would like to repeat his predecessor's favorite Benghazi phrase to this young lady.
LINK to story (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/13/family-first-american-killed-in-afghanistan-learns-freed-taliban-leader-was/)
DIYPatriot
06-18-2014, 12:21
Bergdahl arrived Friday at Fort Sam Houston from Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany to begin Phase 3 of his reintegration. Bergdahl disappeared June 30, 2009, from Combat Outpost Mest-Lalak in Paktika province, Afghanistan.
On Monday, the Army announced that Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl, the deputy commanding general of I Corps, will lead an investigation into the facts and circumstances surrounding Bergdahl's disappearance and capture.
"We've been practicing every six months since he's been taken," she said. Phase 3 of the reintegration process includes medical and psychological evaluations, debriefings and family support, she said.
"There's no timeline to it," Consaul said. "It's however long Sergeant Bergdahl needs to help him resume a normal life." The key to this phase of the reintegration is giving control back to the returnee, Consaul said.
USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/18/bowe-bergdahl-texas-hospital/10734591/)
Army Times (http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140617/news/306170053/army-bergdahl-routine-reading-media-reports/)
Lighthouse
08-07-2014, 11:01
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/07/us/bergdahl-details-disappearance-to-general-leading-an-inquiry.html?emc=edit_th_20140807&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=32046966&_r=1&referrer
I wonder what will come of this one..
Team Sergeant
08-07-2014, 11:16
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/07/us/bergdahl-details-disappearance-to-general-leading-an-inquiry.html?emc=edit_th_20140807&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=32046966&_r=1&referrer
I wonder what will come of this one..
Funny, I wonder how many returning "POW's" required a lawyer upon their return.
Spineless coward needs some prison time.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/07/us/bergdahl-details-disappearance-to-general-leading-an-inquiry.html?emc=edit_th_20140807&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=32046966&_r=1&referrer
I wonder what will come of this one..
Probably a Summary CM for being UA, and then the stockade for 30 days "hard labor", a Gen'l Discharge and he'll go home.
Won't hear from him again until he runs for the Senate as a war veteran. :mad:
Probably a Summary CM for being UA, and then the stockade for 30 days "hard labor", a Gen'l Discharge and he'll go home.
Won't hear from him again until he runs for the Senate as a war veteran. :mad:
I admire your optimism but I would be surprised if in the end he gets more than a slap on the wrist.
Funny, I wonder how many returning "POW's" required a lawyer upon their return.
Spineless coward needs some prison time.
I agree he needs a long time in jail to think about how stupid and cowardly he has been. My problem is that with the current administration track record of manipulating events he may get off with a slap on the wrist. I am waiting to see and hoping he gets what he deserves.:munchin
Oldrotorhead
08-07-2014, 11:59
If he is found to have been UA I thought part of the penalty included not being paid until he "returned " to Military control. IF I'm correct he would not be paid or promoted while he was gone. I'm I right?
Anyone know who the Appointing Authority is? Who gets MG Dahl's findings? Who decides what will happen to this guy next?
Send him to Leavenworth for 10 yrs. That might be a life-changer for this chap.
(The Summary CM, 30 days CHL. and General Discharge would be just a slap on the wrist. He could do that standing on his head.)
ddoering
08-07-2014, 14:23
Funny, I wonder how many returning "POW's" required a lawyer upon their return.
Spineless coward needs some prison time.
He needs somebody to negotiate the awards he will receive. Probably doubles as a publicist.:lifter
Lighthouse
08-07-2014, 21:02
Funny, I wonder how many returning "POW's" required a lawyer upon their return.
Spineless coward needs some prison time.
What I don't get is this kid is brought back state side after not just screwing his buddies but possibly hurting every mission going on in country. Who knows what units went out on mission without certain resources they were redirected to help in finding this guy. Then he is put into a protective bubble in a way while the Marines took Wassef Ali Hassoun and through him in the brig. I'm left wondering what is so special about this guy...
What I don't get is this kid is brought back state side after not just screwing his buddies but possibly hurting every mission going on in country. Who knows what units went out on mission without certain resources they were redirected to help in finding this guy. Then he is put into a protective bubble in a way while the Marines took Wassef Ali Hassoun and through him in the brig. I'm left wondering what is so special about this guy...
Not a damned thing. Right now he has political support. Once his case is closed (no matter which way it goes) the politicians and liberals will scrape him off the bottom of their shoe.
I can't get past the 5 Taliban shitheads whooping it up in Doha right now. In another few months they'll be back in-country just in time to plan the final withdrawal of US troops.
Lighthouse
08-07-2014, 22:16
Not a damned thing. Right now he has political support. Once his case is closed (no matter which way it goes) the politicians and liberals will scrape him off the bottom of their shoe.
I can't get past the 5 Taliban shitheads whooping it up in Doha right now. In another few months they'll be back in-country just in time to plan the final withdrawal of US troops.
:mad::mad:
Now I'm left wondering bourbon or scotch. Damn libs...
Constant
08-07-2014, 22:55
I think desertion during time of war is still a capitol offense....
There was no official declaration of war for Afghanistan. Military action authorized by Congress, yes, but no declaration of war.
Details will help him, which sucks.:mad:
I agree he needs a long time in jail to think about how stupid and cowardly he has been. My problem is that with the current administration track record of manipulating events he may get off with a slap on the wrist. I am waiting to see and hoping he gets what he deserves.:munchin
If events are manipulated, it will be at the highest levels.
I communicated with Bergdahl's Team Sergeant, Evan Buetow, who said they (Bergdahl's team) were all interviewed thoroughly by MG Dahl's team. Buetow was not allowed to speak of details. These interviews happened recently, and before MG Dahl's team spoke to Bergdahl.
The men of Blackfoot Company were also interviewed thoroughly back in 2009 for the reports about Bergdahl's disappearance.
Provided they were consistent in both accounts, it's clear their view is Bergdahl deserted, that he planned it for a long time and then executed it.
I just can't imagine Obama's administration allowing that narrative to drive the final punishment. It will make him look like a fool for standing up in the Rose Garden with Bergdahl's parents and calling him a hero.
I guess we'll see what MG Dahl is made of.
Military action authorized by Congress, yes, but no declaration of war.
When, exactly, was the last time America formally declared war on another country?
Pat
The Reaper
08-08-2014, 12:10
When, exactly, was the last time America formally declared war on another country?
Pat
December 1941.
TR
December 1941.
TR
On Japan, it was Dec. 8, 1941. Germany and Italy was Dec. 11, 1941. Bulgaria, Hungary, and Rumania, were June 4, 1942.
https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_sections_and_teasers/WarDeclarationsbyCongress.htm
My understanding of the “Declaration of War” is that it terminates any and all treaties that exist between the countries. No treaties, no need for a formal declaration of war.
Pat
How many murderers and terrorists did we just give up for a guy who likely walked off base and turned himself in or got snatched up?
Lucky man.
I remember when we did not negotiate with terrorists.
Good plug for SF, BTW.
TR
After all these pages, this initial post rings true!
JMHO,
Holly
Tin foil hat time. Obviously just speculating. But did you notice that we released 5 of Taliban, maybe a couple top CMDR's, that ISIS sprung up. Yeah, I know, they're in Qutar or someplace...yeah right....:rolleyes:
Looks like the Army finally found their balls. :munchin
Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion
Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who was reportedly held captive by Taliban militants for five years, will be charged for desertion, according to sources of retired Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer. Bergdahl was only released after President Barack Obama negotiated with the terrorists, agreeing to release five prisoners from Guantanamo Bay.
Shaffer, senior fellow at the London Center for Policy Research, told Bill O’Reilly on Monday night that his sources have confirmed the Army has concluded its investigation and Bergdahl’s lawyer has been given a “charge sheet” informing him of the desertion charge.
“This has been done, the decision has been made,” Shaffer asserted. “And let me be very clear, as a corporate entity, the Army has decided that they want to pursue Bergdahl for this violation.
It’s important to note that Shaffer’s claims have yet to be confirmed by the U.S. Army or government officials.
He said the next step in the case will be similar to the grand jury process. If the charges stand, the Bergdahl case will proceed to a court-martial, according to Shaffer. Watch the interview via “The O’Reilly Factor” on Fox News:
Shaffer also said the Obama administration has been keeping details on the desertion charges hidden from the public. He personally placed blame on Ben Rhodes, Obama’s deputy national security advisor.
“This is shaping up to be a Titanic struggle behind the scenes,” he added. “Believe me, the Army here wants to do the right thing. Factually, there’s no way they can not do the right thing regarding Bergdahl. And the White House, because of the political narrative, President Obama cozying up to the parents and because he, President Obama, releasing the five Taliban… The narrative is what the White House does not want to have come out.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/26/report-army-sgt-bowe-bergdahl-to-be-charged-for-desertion-here-are-the-details/
Streck-Fu
01-27-2015, 06:07
I'll believe it more when we get more sources than a commentator on a show.
Looks like the Army finally found their balls. :munchin
It aint over til the fat lady sings,,
or berry gets to his 19th Ho in..
:munchin
x SF med
01-27-2015, 06:52
It aint over til the fat lady sings,,
or berry gets to his 19th Ho in..
:munchin
JJ.... I may have to kill you for that picture. Slowly, painfully, and with malice.
Have a nice day.:)
Barbarian
01-27-2015, 07:03
That's all kinds of wrong.....
That has to be photoshoped...
No way would MM leave a pizza brow!
I'll believe it more when we get more sources than a commentator on a show.
Concur, Gunner. I still expect to see this dirtbag on a Congressional ticket some place.
BTW, where are the "Bergdahl Five" who were freed? Living a pious life in Qatar? Any bets they're not back in A-stan?
Its a neat headline...
...but there are lots of little carpets in Washington DC and each carpet is designed so that inconvenient little snippets can be swept under.
Bowe Bergdahl is an inconvenient little snippet.
Airbornelawyer
01-27-2015, 13:41
My impression over the past few weeks has been that there are a bunch of potentially embarrassing things the Administration had been holding back at least until after the State of the Union, so as to not derail attention from Obama's attempt to control the agenda despite the new Congress. For example, the report that the Justice Department would likely clear Darren Wilson over the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson conveniently came a day after the SOTU. So I suppose if something finally is happening regarding Bergdahl, it is less that the Army finally found its balls so much as Valerie Jarrett finally unclenched her hand from around them.
The Reaper
01-27-2015, 14:20
The Army can do whatever they want, and the POTUS can pardon him.
Bowe Bergdahl is a coward whose actions cost good men their lives, and will likely cost more in the future via the Taliban who were exchanged.
Bergdahl's parents are complicit in the matter as well.
For justice, he should receive the maximum possible sentence and have it carried out.
TR
Javadrinker
01-27-2015, 15:04
Bergdahl's parents are complicit in the matter as well.
For justice, he should receive the maximum possible sentence and have it carried out.
TR
We can only hope.
ddoering
01-27-2015, 16:42
The CinC has a phone and a pen so Bergdahl has nothing to fear.
We can only hope.
Agreed !
That being said, the talking head at the Pentagon was just on the news claiming that no final decision has been made. How do these talking heads with all the rank look themselves in the mirror each day?
mojaveman
01-27-2015, 21:24
Bowe Bergdahl is a coward whose actions cost good men their lives
Exactly.
Streck-Fu
01-28-2015, 04:59
I am curious as to what this kid is doing now. Does he show up to work like any other Sargent or are his duties confined to just being Bowe and not getting himself beat to death?
I don't see how can be an active member of a command.
craigepo
01-28-2015, 12:51
I looked up the military law on desertion. The charge is brought pursuant to Article 85. The article defines desertion as:
Any member of the armed forces who:
(1) without authority, goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently; or
(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service.
Javadrinker
01-28-2015, 14:11
It seems to me that this could have been concluded in 30-60 days. It also seems that there is way too much civilian interference/control/interest in this case.
ddoering
01-28-2015, 18:18
This is not the Bowe you are looking for. Move along.
cowboykpy
01-28-2015, 19:15
I am curious as to what this kid is doing now. Does he show up to work like any other Sargent or are his duties confined to just being Bowe and not getting himself beat to death?
I don't see how can be an active member of a command.
i happened to see him when I was working at ARNORTH and from what I could see he wasn't doing much, likely what you suggest and trying not to draw attention to himself.
ddoering
01-29-2015, 07:12
He should be plotting a route north to Canada if he had any sense.
Javadrinker
01-29-2015, 10:15
The Canadians may refuse entrance to a Taliban operative.:eek::rolleyes:
The Canadians may refuse entrance to a Taliban operative.:eek::rolleyes:
There is precedence:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/world/americas/13canada.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Javadrinker
01-29-2015, 15:26
There is precedence:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/world/americas/13canada.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
I was thinking along the lines of "home grown Taliban operator" as opposed to deserter.:D
ddoering
02-27-2015, 10:55
Another month goes by and nothing. I guess there is another General Officer with no nuts.
...the system is just waiting for something to come along that will overshadow the bergdahl investigation.
My prediction is that once the government finds a suitable scandal that overshadows the scope of bowe bergdahl, the bergdahl findings will be released with out media fanfare late on a Friday afternoon. Then, the weekend talk shows will be too busy "reporting" on the bigger scandal and the fate of bowe bergdahl will slip silently into obscurity.
...the system is just waiting for something to come along that will overshadow the bergdahl investigation.
My prediction is that once the government finds a suitable scandal that overshadows the scope of bowe bergdahl, the bergdahl findings will be released with out media fanfare late on a Friday afternoon. Then, the weekend talk shows will be too busy "reporting" on the bigger scandal and the fate of bowe bergdahl will slip silently into obscurity.
Expect there'll be no mention of his name until it shows up on the Presidential Pardon list in 2016 (along with the rest of the Gitmo shitheads).
ddoering
03-14-2015, 12:02
Any day now we should hear the decision.
The Reaper
03-14-2015, 15:45
Any day now we should hear the decision.
On a Friday, probably on a holiday weekend.
Or after a major news story takes the headlines.
TR
My prediction- courts martial. IMHO I think it is coming. I say this as a few months ago the 10th Mountain quietly tried and convicted a lieutenant who deserted, joined the legion for four years and then turned himself in. He was sentenced to four years.
And there is no high level executive branch conspiracy concerning the timing or decision as some of you conspiracists allege.
Been 10 months
Wasn't there a decision made back in Nov? I remember a LTC coming out on Fox News I believe talking about it. If true, I wonder why the long WAIT.
My prediction- courts martial. ... And there is no high level executive branch conspiracy concerning the timing or decision as some of you conspiracists allege.
Not sure a GCM or even Special CM is in this soldiers future. It'd be too embarrassing to the WH given the Rose Garden moment.
In all due respects, sir, manipulating information has been the hallmark of this WH since they came aboard. (And I'm not a conspiracist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.) JMHO
Team Sergeant
03-16-2015, 11:43
Will not happen until after the 2016 elections........:munchin
But it would sure take the pressure off hitlerlry........
Not sure a GCM or even Special CM is in this soldiers future. It'd be too embarrassing to the WH given the Rose Garden moment.
In all due respects, sir, manipulating information has been the hallmark of this WH since they came aboard. (And I'm not a conspiracist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.) JMHO
The WH has no say in military justice until it is time for a potential presidential pardon. Now that wouldn't surprise me- a conviction for desertion, some amount of time, and then ... wait for it... a pardon as Obama leaves the whitehouse.
It is my understanding that the FORSCOM CDR has the case/investigation and if tried it will occur on Bragg. And if Bergdahl elects a panel, it will be a Bragg panel which will not be sympathetic to his plight.
All that being said who the hell knows. Maybe we should set up a poll/ wager system on possible outcomes. Winner takes fifty percent and the other fifty to the SFA or GB Foundation, or to our Team Sergeant Jeff for costs of this site. I'm in for twenty he goes to a courts martial.
All that being said who the hell knows. Maybe we should set up a poll/ wager system on possible outcomes. Winner takes fifty percent and the other fifty to the SFA or GB Foundation, or to our Team Sergeant Jeff for costs of this site. I'm in for twenty he goes to a courts martial.
You mean like a football pool with all the various options laid out on a grid? Dad-gum, that notion has merit! Esp to benefit the GB Foundation, SFA, PS.com, or maybe re-build the bar in Bragg. A 50-50 split! And it wouldn't be gambling, it'd be ... well, it probably wouldn't be gambling. I'll spot twenty on NJP, an admin discharge, and community service, and if I win I'll donate the winnings to the she goat and her kid Bergdahl left at the alter back in theater!
The WH has no say in military justice until it is time for a potential presidential pardon..
Do you really believe that? Maybe in the abstract, but do you believe that Dempsey and Odierno (and those like them) could withstand political pressure applied by the WH?
Do you really believe that? Maybe in the abstract, but do you believe that Dempsey and Odierno (and those like them) could withstand political pressure applied by the WH?
And then what put pressure on down the line on a case and an outcome? On the criminal side of the case it is unlawful command influence (or the "mortal enemy to military justice"). Not saying it doesn't happen, but when it does you normally have tens of lawyers talking about in motion practice with the court or in the press. Legal advisers in the military generally do a good job protecting thier commander from committing UCI, or when a recipient to it, the COA out. Bottom line is I have a good amount of faith in the system knowing many of the folks in it and having advised commanders at all levels on murder to down range mayhem, and never ever seen a hint that the executive branch influence, even on front page cases. This case is bigger, I'll give you that based on his weirdo family hugging the POTUS in the Rose Garden, but not any different from a UCMJ perspective.
More importantly I think there is no need for a chart of possible outcomes. If you want to throw twenty in just announce on here you are in and what you think the outcome will be with some specificity. And the winner gets his fifty percent, the house (TM SGT) gets the other, or all to the house and accolades to the winner? I don't need any money, but my ego likes to be called a winner. So the house can keep my winnings, not to mention the pain it would be to collect from all of you.
I'm not sure that would be fair. Bergdahl actually works about 100 feet from me.
I'm not sure that would be fair. Bergdahl actually works about 100 feet from me.
Well fuck- can you go ask him what the hell is going on?
It's funny. We were just talking about that here. Where they can't keep any other secret, that one is locked in a vault. So, we just see him walking around doing scut work.
It's funny. We were just talking about that here. Where they can't keep any other secret, that one is locked in a vault. So, we just see him walking around doing scut work.
Well no betting for you based on your proximity. If the kids breaks and spills his future to you let us know. I'd also like to know if he is still ignoring his parents and why?
...ha
He should be studying for the E-6 board. No use in letting his career stagnate because a bunch of bureaucrats can't make a decision.
Well no betting for you based on your proximity. If the kids breaks and spills his future to you let us know. I'd also like to know if he is still ignoring his parents and why?
From what I saw of his parents on TV, I'd ignore them, too.
The Reaper
03-17-2015, 10:59
It's funny. We were just talking about that here. Where they can't keep any other secret, that one is locked in a vault. So, we just see him walking around doing scut work.
Ask him if the Taliban let him be their chai boy while he was their guest.
TR
ddoering
03-17-2015, 14:08
I'm not sure that would be fair. Bergdahl actually works about 100 feet from me.
I'll take "Walk down the way and hit him on the back of the head with a sock full of nickels" for $20.
Ask him if the Taliban let him be their chai boy while he was their guest.
TR
PM sent
Streck-Fu
03-17-2015, 14:25
PM sent
Damn! :(
;)
Bottom line is I have a good amount of faith in the system knowing many of the folks in it and having advised commanders at all levels on murder to down range mayhem, and never ever seen a hint that the executive branch influence, even on front page cases. This case is bigger, I'll give you that based on his weirdo family hugging the POTUS in the Rose Garden, but not any different from a UCMJ perspective.
I sincerely hope you are right. My faith in the "system' isn't nearly as strong.
craigepo
03-17-2015, 20:45
I hope they stop-loss him, and not charge him until obama is out of office. That prez would pardon him if he got the chance.
Utah Bob
03-23-2015, 08:23
I hope they stop-loss him, and not charge him until obama is out of office. That prez would pardon him if he got the chance.
Obama would put the sonuvabitch in charge of the VA. Or Secret Service.
Sin jefe -
anyone there ever heard him fart....??
just curious as to how he may have spent his time in captivity. :munchin
Sin jefe -
anyone there ever heard him fart....??
just curious as to how he may have spent his time in captivity. :munchin
PM sent
My money would be wagered that his pardon is already authored and signed and just waiting to be delivered should the need arise.
Bergdahl is a certifiable hero to the left side of the political spectrum.
Sin jefe -
anyone there ever heard him fart....??
just curious as to how he may have spent his time in captivity. :munchin
Now that's FUNNY!! :lifter
Well, CNN is reporting that he will be charged with desertion. I am curious to see what direction it goes.
craigepo
03-25-2015, 12:13
Well, CNN is reporting that he will be charged with desertion. I am curious to see what direction it goes.
Hmmm. Death penalty is the maximum punishment in time of war.
Streck-Fu
03-25-2015, 12:13
And I am seeing reports that there is pressure for his lawyers to accept a plea to avoid a trial. I hope this goes to trial and becomes very public.
My prediction- courts martial. IMHO I think it is coming. I say this as a few months ago the 10th Mountain quietly tried and convicted a lieutenant who deserted, joined the legion for four years and then turned himself in. He was sentenced to four years.
And there is no high level executive branch conspiracy concerning the timing or decision as some of you conspiracists allege.
I quote myself. I think charges are coming.....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/03/25/bowe-bergdahl-once-missing-u-s-soldier-charged-with-desertion/?hpid=z1
Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the U.S. soldier who was recovered in Afghanistan last spring after five years in captivity, faces charges of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy, according to his lawyer.
Eugene Fidell, Bergdahl’s attorney, told The Washington Post that his client was handed a charge sheet on Tuesday. Army officials announced they will provide an update in his case at 3:30 p.m. at Fort Bragg, N.C., but declined to discuss new developments ahead of the news conference.
Bergdahl, 28, went missing from his base in Paktika province on June 30, 2009, and is believed to have grown disillusioned with the U.S. military’s mission in Afghanistan. He was held captive in Pakistan by the Haqqani network, an insurgent group allied with the Taliban, until a deal brokered through the government of Qatar was reached last year.
Team Sergeant
03-25-2015, 12:43
Curious as to why not treason?
Bergdahl, you bottom feeding coward, I hope they bury you.
$5 says his lawyers play the PTSD card
SouthernDZ
03-25-2015, 12:51
(a) Any member of the armed forces who–
(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently;
(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service; or
(3) without being regularly separated from one of the armed forces enlists or accepts an appointment in the same or another on of the armed forces without fully disclosing the fact that he has not been regularly separated, or enters any foreign armed service except when authorized by the United States; is guilty of desertion.
(b) Any commissioned officer of the armed forces who, after tender of his resignation and before notice of its acceptance, quits his post or proper duties without leave and with intent to remain away therefrom permanently is guilty of desertion.
(c) Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct.
I have a GREAT idea.
Have some call to prayer music playing when he comes in to work one day.
Bring some goat meat in and ask him if he'd like some.
Oh, don't forget to leave some Preparation H in his desk drawer for him.
Philkilla
03-25-2015, 17:04
As a former Geronimo a lot of my comrades are very adamant (especially guys from the Battalion during that deployment) about making sure the facts reach the light of day.
It will be interesting to see what diversions mass media attempts to push in the coming months during this "american heros" trial.
Team Sergeant
03-25-2015, 17:25
As a former Geronimo a lot of my comrades are very adamant (especially guys from the Battalion during that deployment) about making sure the facts reach the light of day.
It will be interesting to see what diversions mass media attempts to push in the coming months during this "american heros" trial.
Trust me we "heard" you when it happened.
The Army combatants knew the deal and probably why it could not be swept under the rug. Either the military/government brought this scumbag to justice or justice was going to be brought to him.
Okay, here's the BIG question .....
What else is happening/going on, that the administration wants to deflect attention from?
:munchin
Team Sergeant
03-25-2015, 17:35
Okay, here's the BIG question .....
What else is happening/going on, that the administration wants to deflect attention from?
:munchin
Or some general (soon to be retired) decided not to wait anymore and went ahead on his own.
Charged. (http://www.stripes.com/news/us/army-charges-sgt-bowe-bergdahl-with-desertion-1.336578)
WASHINGTON — The Army announced Wednesday that Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who disappeared from his unit in Afghanistan in 2009, has been charged with desertion and misbehavior before the enemy, offenses which could send him to prison for life.
Bergdahl is charged with one count of Article 85 and one count of Article 99 under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, U.S. Army Forces Command Col. Daniel King said in a statement delivered at Fort Bragg, N.C.
S.
Okay, here's the BIG question .....
What else is happening/going on, that the administration wants to deflect attention from?
:munchin
Yeman fell. ISIL is around. Bozo is talking to Iran.
Take your pick.
The Reaper
03-25-2015, 20:00
Here is his version of his captivity.
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/bowe-bergdahl-in-his-own-words/1487/
My questions are, first, "At what point did deserting seem like a bad idea to you?"
And "Do you think your fellow soldiers with whom you broke faith and who died trying to rescue you suffered more than your small discomfort?"
What is this idiot doing, trying to stir up sympathy, or to make a basis for his eventual VA disability claim?
And this guy was worth FIVE of the senior bad guys we had in return? :rolleyes:
TR
To sum up the "Bowe Bergdahl in his own words" statement...
...play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Congratulations Bowe, you hit the jackpot!
I offer Bowe Bergdahl the same blessing that King Leonidas offered Ephialtes:
"May you live forever"
And this guy was worth FIVE of the senior bad guys we had in return? :rolleyes:
TR
And six American lives!
Pat
The turd's a flight risk. Lock him up.
Peregrino
04-03-2015, 21:03
Interesting analysis of the Article 99 "misbehavior before the enemy" charge.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/04/03/bergdahl-faces-little-known-rarely-used-misbehavior-charge.html?comp=1198882887570&rank=1
Scimitar
04-03-2015, 21:34
Probably explains the delay in charges.
Putting a case together that is going to effectively create precedent, is a much bigger deal, requiring a lot more prep.
S
Military selects rarely used charge for Bergdahl case
http://news.yahoo.com/military-selects-rarely-used-charge-bergdahl-case-144326544.html
"RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — Military prosecutors have reached into a section of military law seldom used since World War II in the politically fraught case against Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the soldier held prisoner for years by the Taliban after leaving his post in Afghanistan...."
Article 32 on September 17th at Ft Sam.
Bowe Bergdahl's attorneys to present case at hearing
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BERGDAHL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-17-21-07-05
"SAN ANTONIO (AP) -- Bowe Bergdahl's attorneys will present evidence Friday during the second day of a hearing to determine whether the Army sergeant should face a military trial for leaving his post in Afghanistan, although they aren't saying if Bergdahl himself will be called as a witness.
The Article 32 hearing for Bergdahl, who is charged with desertion and misbehavior before the enemy, is taking place at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, where he has been stationed since returning to the U.S. last year...."
I think it will go to trial but the Military will not be able to prove the misbehavior charge and he will get off with a slap on the wrist and a discharge. Shortly followed by a book deal and movie rights.
Aww c'mon Pete, have at least a little bit of positive vibes.
What does desertion bring now days?? He should at least get some jail time....THEN the book and movie deal...:confused:
Santo Tomas
09-18-2015, 06:15
This circus is happening in the building next to mine. What a goat rope. Appears they are more concerned with ensure the news reporters are getting everything they want rather than the case. They brought in food trucks, block off parking lots, put up tents, etc.
Another circus.
Appears they are more concerned with ensure the news reporters are getting everything they want rather than the case. They brought in food trucks, block off parking lots, put up tents, etc.
Another circus.
Well of course .... :rolleyes:
You have to take care of the people that take care of you ...
Didn't you know that? ;)
Oldrotorhead
09-18-2015, 07:48
Keep in mind that by the time any trial is complete there will be very little jail time before Doh-bama pardons him.
Santo Tomas
09-18-2015, 09:01
Well of course .... :rolleyes:
You have to take care of the people that take care of you ...
Didn't you know that? ;)
and here I thought it was about justice. what the hell was I thinking?? :confused:
Aww c'mon Pete, have at least a little bit of positive vibes.
What does desertion bring now days?? He should at least get some jail time....THEN the book and movie deal...:confused:
Time served.. If we're lucky..
:munchin
Oldrotorhead
09-18-2015, 09:17
A little off topic.....maybe. When Bergdahl was detained in a California drug raid.
Did he piss hot?
Did he even get a piss test?
If not why not?
Well, it took 'em long enough ...
Bergdahl to face desertion charge in general court-martial
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who was held by the Taliban for five years and freed in exchange for five detainees in Guantanamo Bay, will face charges of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy in a general court-martial, instead of a misdemeanor-level forum, the Army announced Monday.
A date for an arraignment hearing at Fort Bragg, N.C., will be announced later.
Bergdahl's attorney, Eugene Fidell, said the convening authority — a high-ranking officer charged with deciding whether evidence warrants a court-martial — did not follow the advice of a preliminary hearing officer.
Lt. Col. Mark Visger had recommended that Sgt. Bergdahl's case be referred to a special court martial, which is a misdemeanor-level forum. That limits the maximum punishment to reduction in rank, a bad-conduct discharge and a term of up to a year in prison.
Bergdahl, of Hailey, Idaho, walked off his post in eastern Afghanistan's Paktika province on June 30, 2009, and was captured by the Taliban and held for nearly five years.
The U.S. Army Forces Command charged the 29-year-old Bergdahl on March 25 with "desertion with intent to shirk important or hazardous duty" and "misbehavior before the enemy by endangering the safety of a command, unit or place."
Separately, Fidell, a military justice expert who is also a visiting lecturer at Yale Law School, complained about political figures who have made derogatory statements about Bergdahl.
Fidell asked that GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump "cease his prejudicial months-long campaign of defamation against our client." Fidell previously has complained about Trump calling Bergdahl a traitor.
Fidell also asked the House and Senate Armed Services committees to avoid further statements "that prejudice our client's right to a fair trial." The House committee last week issued a 98-page report criticizing the Obama administration's decision to swap the five former Taliban leaders for Bergdahl.
Fidell pointed to the fifth page of the report that said the committee would remain abreast of the disciplinary process and ensure that "Sgt. Bergdahl's behavior is adjudicated as required." Fidell said he read that as a call to "hammer" Bergdahl for his actions.
Bergdahl hasn't spoken publicly about his decision to walk away from his post or his subsequent five-year imprisonment by the Taliban and the prisoner swap in May 2014 that secured his return to the United States. But during the past several months, he spoke extensively with screenwriter Mark Boal, who shared about 25 hours of the recorded interviews with Sarah Koenig for her popular podcast, "Serial."
Bergdahl says in the interviews that he walked off his base to cause a crisis that would catch the attention of military brass. He wanted to warn them about what he believed were serious problems with leadership in his unit. And he wanted to prove himself as a real-life action hero, like someone out of a movie.
"As a private first-class, nobody is going to listen to me," Bergdahl says in the first episode of the podcast, released Thursday. "No one is going to take me serious that an investigation needs to be put underway."
http://news.yahoo.com/charges-against-bergdahl-being-referred-court-martial-190741083--politics.html
So how long before the court martial? Gitmo would be an appropiate place for him to end up.
Gitmo would be an appropiate place for him to end up.
At the end of rope would be even better.
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ddoering
12-14-2015, 16:06
I'm sure they want to squeeze it in so he will be eligible for a Presidential pardon around this time next year.
Finally, a good decision in relation to this sorry excuse for a soldier.
My favorite Bergdahlism...describing 'self' as Jason Bourne fighting the evil govt. and its evil plans.....couldn't go to the IG, had to go tell the Taliban.
Hopefully we'll get to see his fine family on air after he is interred in Leavenworth.
I'd pay good money to be on that courts martial board.
(1VB)compforce
12-14-2015, 19:00
Finally, a good decision in relation to this sorry excuse for a soldier.
My favorite Bergdahlism...describing 'self' as Jason Bourne fighting the evil govt. and its evil plans.....couldn't go to the IG, had to go tell the Taliban.
Hopefully we'll get to see his fine family on air after he is interred in Leavenworth.
I'd pay good money to be on that courts martial board.
I don't think there was ever a question about whether it would be referred to a Court Martial. The question is and always has been "Will they find him guilty and what will the penalty be?". Just because he is going to trial doesn't mean they didn't pack the court with officers or a General that is sympathetic. If he gets "time served" and gets to keep his benefits, the rest of the country that doesn't understand will applaud the verdict and the story will go away. I still believe that the harshest verdict we can expect would be BCD, loss of the rank that was given to him (E5), loss of benefits, revocation of the POW medal and a judgement that he has to repay the back pay he was given (which will end in default). I seriously doubt we'll get anywhere near there because of the optics. Just getting him to a court martial isn't enough for me.
I hope they drag hs CM out for a good 13-14 months
...otherwise it is just wasted effort knowing he has a presidential pardon waiting if he is sentence before the current POTUS leaves office.
Cant let a man that served with "dignity and honor" go to prison now...
...can we?
5 dangerous terrorist leaders exchanged for a delusional wannabe deserter identifying with "Jason Bourne..."
...I so want the folks making that type of decision to weigh-in on and approve a nuclear development agreement with Iran...oops...
What a mess.
miclo18d
12-15-2015, 05:41
Separately, Fidell, a military justice expert who is also a visiting lecturer at Yale Law School, complained about political figures who have made derogatory statements about Bergdahl.
Fidell asked that GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump "cease his prejudicial months-long campaign of defamation against our client." Fidell previously has complained about Trump calling Bergdahl a traitor.
Fidell also asked the House and Senate Armed Services committees to avoid further statements "that prejudice our client's right to a fair trial." The House committee last week issued a 98-page report criticizing the Obama administration's decision to swap the five former Taliban leaders for Bergdahl.
Fidell pointed to the fifth page of the report that said the committee would remain abreast of the disciplinary process and ensure that "Sgt. Bergdahl's behavior is adjudicated as required." Fidell said he read that as a call to "hammer" Bergdahl for his actions.
Is it me or is this tools lawyer grasping for straws?
ad·ju·di·cate
[əˈjo͞odəˌkāt]
VERB
make a formal judgment or decision about a problem or disputed matter:
"the committee adjudicates on all betting disputes"
Desperation is a stinky cologne!
Guymullins
12-15-2015, 06:55
At the end of rope would be even better.
.
Two reasons that won't happen. The Military Code stipulates execution by injection, but the biggest stumbling block is that the President has to sign the Warrant of Execution. Good luck with that.
Team Sergeant
12-15-2015, 08:47
As has been mentioned before, we missed a fantastic opportunity at the "prisoner" exchange to kill everyone there and thusly solidifying our stance on:
WE DO NOT NEGOCIATE WITH TERRORISTS
I guess that's another thing the Teleprompter decided to change, Commander Zero decided to have the FBI pay a ransom and when they failed had Delta Force negotiate with the tailban.
Huge mistake, should have killed them all and left them in the shithole called Afghanistan.
WE DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS...
...when we are busy tampering with our social programs.
However, when we have free time, we are open to chat about any discussion topic.
Streck-Fu
12-15-2015, 11:07
He wanted to warn them about what he believed were serious problems with leadership in his unit. ......
"As a private first-class, nobody is going to listen to me," Bergdahl says
What E-3 in the military DOESN'T think there are serious problems with leadership? All the rest of them are just not stupid enough to petition the enemy that wants to kill them with grievances against their command.
Team Sergeant
12-15-2015, 18:36
What E-3 in the military DOESN'T think there are serious problems with leadership? All the rest of them are just not stupid enough to petition the enemy that wants to kill them with grievances against their command.
No shitte, that's my job.......:munchin
And a shining example why Special Forces does not allow "privates" (or Lt.s).
I am looking at the latest photos of Bergdahl all dressed up for some pre-trial hearing, I cannot quite make out his awards but it looks like he is wearing a GCMDL with maybe the 2d award. If this is the case I am wondering just when it was that he ever earned the award in the first place. Also the fact that he wears those Sgt. stripes makes me want to wretch, those are earned and he sure as hell never earned them.
Badger52
12-22-2015, 21:13
I am looking at the latest photos of Bergdahl all dressed up for some pre-trial hearing, I cannot quite make out his awards but it looks like he is wearing a GCMDL with maybe the 2d award. If this is the case I am wondering just when it was that he ever earned the award in the first place. Also the fact that he wears those Sgt. stripes makes me want to wretch, those are earned and he sure as hell never earned them.Assumptions made are standard during an absence, particularly one where the leadership took for-ev-uh to make up its mind. The right verdict will fix that picture.
I am looking at the latest photos of Bergdahl all dressed up for some pre-trial hearing, I cannot quite make out his awards but it looks like he is wearing a GCMDL with maybe the 2d award. If this is the case I am wondering just when it was that he ever earned the award in the first place. Also the fact that he wears those Sgt. stripes makes me want to wretch, those are earned and he sure as hell never earned them.
I suppose someone thinks they were all earned while in captivity....
I'm sure they'll be recinded but, I could be wrong. This President might pardon him, make him a Field Grade officer, and change his name to Jason Bourne...
I am looking at the latest photos of Bergdahl all dressed up for some pre-trial hearing, I cannot quite make out his awards but it looks like he is wearing a GCMDL with maybe the 2d award. If this is the case I am wondering just when it was that he ever earned the award in the first place. Also the fact that he wears those Sgt. stripes makes me want to wretch, those are earned and he sure as hell never earned them.
From Getty
From Getty
Don't forget his combat stripes ... awarded to him by the Taliban.
(1VB)compforce
12-23-2015, 18:42
Don't forget his combat stripes ... awarded to him by the Taliban.
and yet no POW medal...
Whenever you blow the sanitary tank the shitscarfers come to the buffet. Some turds never sink.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-bergdahl-idUSKCN10C3B0
The legal team for U.S. Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl on Monday asked to have the charges against the former prisoner of war dismissed, arguing comments made by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain violated his due process rights.
Bergdahl, 30, is facing a court-martial with a potential life sentence on charges of desertion and endangerment of U.S. troops after he walked away from his post in Afghanistan in 2009 and became a Taliban prisoner for five years.
Defense attorneys argued in a motion filed on Monday that comments made by McCain and the committee's general counsel, Steve Barney, have unduly influenced his case. The filing quotes McCain as saying last October: "If it comes out that (Bergdahl has no punishment, we're going to have a hearing in the Senate Armed Services Committee."
The hits just keep on coming.
Team Sergeant
08-02-2016, 10:57
Whenever you blow the sanitary tank the shitscarfers come to the buffet. Some turds never sink.
The hits just keep on coming.
I'd just use the old senile moron defense for McCain and his daughter, is retarded.
bushmaster11
08-18-2016, 22:27
The convening authority, a 4star, has endangered the trial. I has been reported that he destroyed over 100 letters and documents. These letters were n directly relevant to the case, but were advice, comments from a broad spectrum of military and civilians. Defense is asking for dropping the case. It's not only Joe Sixpack that has brain fart followed by severe stool production
J R sends
DOL
I wonder what would happen if Staff Sergeant Snuffy or Captain Jack disposed of those same files...
Badger52
08-19-2016, 12:02
3-day old link (http://www.fayobserver.com/military/bergdahl-lawyers-abrams-should-be-disqualified-as-convening-authority/article_5e010113-dc28-5792-9a27-9b050e3a8217.html)
Give the guy a break.
Not like we're talking about "extreme carelessness" in document handling...
The convening authority, a 4star, has endangered the trial. I has been reported that he destroyed over 100 letters and documents. These letters were n directly relevant to the case, but were advice, comments from a broad spectrum of military and civilians. Defense is asking for dropping the case. It's not only Joe Sixpack that has brain fart followed by severe stool production
J R sends
DOL
Name the cheesy 4-star, the CA. Give that dipshit some profile, a chance to explain his/her self. What a fine example of leadership.
The stupid shitheads are everywhere.
Hillary must be in the crosshairs 'cause now it's time to detract the conversation away from her emails and other bushels of lies.
He probably did it under direct orders from the white house
Ya think?
Sir, I'd just like to see at least one of our senior "leaders" come up with the moral courage to admit it. There was a time when these 4-stars were company commanders, and maybe even had some combat experience. There was a time when our leaders were brave enough to either do the right thing or resign. Yeah, I know...that was the olden days. Still, it chaps my ass.
(BTW, this is not unique to the USA, either...)
bblhead672
08-19-2016, 12:47
The only thing that pos should be wearing in public is orange jumpsuit.
He'll probably get off scot free - after all this time what difference does it make anyway? He probably was just extremely careless with where he walked and never intended to desert, oops, I mean be captured.