05-31-2014, 10:41
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American DESERTER Bergdahl Freed in Prisoner Exchange
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05-31-2014, 10:55
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Coming home
Now that will be one interesting book in a few years' time.
Good deal.
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05-31-2014, 11:26
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I wonder who will play Bowe Bergdahl in the movie?
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05-31-2014, 12:06
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How many murderers and terrorists did we just give up for a guy who likely walked off base and turned himself in or got snatched up?
Lucky man.
I remember when we did not negotiate with terrorists.
Good plug for SF, BTW.
TR
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05-31-2014, 12:17
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Prisoner exchange
While I'm very happy for him and his family, I can't help but be disappointed by the adminstration's decision to conduct an exchange. It feels like O has weakened our stance on negotiating with terrorists with this exchange.
 
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05-31-2014, 14:03
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How many murderers and terrorists did we just give up for a guy who likely walked off base and turned himself in or got snatched up?
Lucky man.
I remember when we did not negotiate with terrorists.
Good plug for SF, BTW.
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5...we gave up 5 GITMO goobers...
Now that they know we are game...what are the odds they snatch up some more (let's just say they get a couple of females this time) and demand a dozen, aw hell...why not demand THE REST of GITMO be released in another 
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05-31-2014, 15:07
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5...we gave up 5 GITMO goobers...
Now that they know we are game...what are the odds they snatch up some more (let's just say they get a couple of females this time) and demand a dozen, aw hell...why not demand THE REST of GITMO be released in another |
Now they know that for at least the next 2.5 years they can get away with it. I'm truly shocked.
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"We are now engaged in a great...War, testing whether this nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure."
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"When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the
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05-31-2014, 16:11
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5...we gave up 5 GITMO goobers...
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Hopefully we infused their food with IR dye that can be picked up by the current drones and send them some departing gifts..... 
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05-31-2014, 16:26
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We just traded the most senior 5 bad actors that were held in GITMO...the Taliban CofStaff, Intel head etc, etc.
We dealt with terrorists as a matter of policy.
This is really a stupid, stupid political ploy.
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05-31-2014, 16:40
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Hopefully we infused their food with IR dye that can be picked up by the current drones and send them some departing gifts..... |
A suppository with a pinger maybe? 
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05-31-2014, 17:18
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We are at war with an enemy force, irregular indeed, but an enemy none the less. Prisoner exchanges are a normal course of warfare, and I would rather have our man back than pay another penny for Abu Shitbag to stay in the Gitmo Hilton. It doesn't sound like they gave up KSM or any senior AQ from Gitmo. From my point of view, I'll take this over having another POW - he was a POW, just as the Gtimo jackasses are POWs - sitting in Pakistan.
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05-31-2014, 17:23
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Originally Posted by cowboykpy
While I'm very happy for him and his family, I can't help but be disappointed by the adminstration's decision to conduct an exchange. It feels like O has weakened our stance on negotiating with terrorists with this exchange.
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My very same thoughts.
I like to see if a SOFA or another deal is made next week or so.
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05-31-2014, 17:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reaper
How many murderers and terrorists did we just give up for a guy who likely walked off base and turned himself in or got snatched up?
Lucky man.
I remember when we did not negotiate with terrorists.
Good plug for SF, BTW.
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Have to agree with TR. In my previous unit, one of my NCO's was in the same platoon as Bergdahl when he got captured. While in Afghanistan, we found a picture lying around our tents probably from the previous unit who was based in Alaska, saying, "Free Bergdahl" and had a picture of him. My NCO basically went on a rant on how the guy was a POS who was trying to pussy out of the deployment and decided to walk off the FOB with a compass and a few other things. I know for a fact good men were injured and killed looking for this guy after he decided to go off and try to play Taliban. Also, this is 100% pure speculation by me but, how did he stay alive? Did he give up information/intel about the coordinates of nearby FOBs? Patrol routes? OPs? TTPs? SOPs?
To be truthful, I'm glad he's back but also keep this in mind.
-He walked off the FOB by himself in Afghanistan because he had a change of heart about the war and wanted to go home.
-Some of his fellow comrades were injured and killed after they went looking for him.
-We traded 5 GITMO detainees for him
As many have said, there's a reason we don't negotiate with terrorists. Once you feed the raccoon's, they will keep coming for more. Well... we just fed the raccoon's. Maybe terrorist organizations will move kidnapping American's up a peg or two on the list now?
Also, it really infuriates me that the media and many other people who were lobbying for us to to more aggressively pursue the search for him painted Bergdahl as some kind of hero who had been captured in the heat of battle or something. I get it we never leave anyone behind period. I take that very seriously. I'm glad he's back with his family. But this guy walked off the god damn FOB by himself and wanted to to join the Taliban or get captured. /sigh YMMV but I hope this guy gets prosecuted under UCMJ for being a shit head. 
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05-31-2014, 17:29
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"SF?"
News reporting when he got on the helo he wrote a note asking "SF?" and showed it to the team -
One of them wrote back "Yes. We've been looking for you."
At that point he broke down.
No Fallen Comrade Left Behind -
As for exchange -
We've bartered with our enemies for our POWs before - and will again.
The Israelis have traded back double and triple digit numbers for just one Israeli soldier.
That's the real world.
Welcome home, Bowe.
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05-31-2014, 18:07
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One thing that has been reported on before and not coming out currently, is he changed his name and converted to Islam.
Like the one video showing him around what is believed to be TB Commanders or leaders. Suspected of him giving TTP on proper patrolling or Ambushs. I personally wonder what secrets he gave up? Counter IED, Construction of IEDs, weapon maintenance, etc.
Did anyone see the news conference with POTUS and his Pareants?
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