Do you know your knots?

**Kyobanim** · 12-05-2004, 09:41

Good resource for those interested or in need

http://www.realknots.com/knots/

**Bill Harsey** · 12-05-2004, 11:26

Neat Knot Site. I'll go back later and look more.

Knots can be material specific, what works good in some ropes may not hold in others.

NousDefionsDoc · 12-05-2004, 11:56

Hi Kyo!

**Kyobanim** · 12-05-2004, 12:08

Thanks for the bump

**Bill Harsey** · 12-02-2005, 19:12

This should probably go into the redneck engineering thread but you guys working on knots keep in mind you can often, for emergency purposes make knots in wire rope (cable). You may have to use a rigging chain and a winch to suck them tight but it can be done. use extreme caution so you don't lose any fingers while your trying to get them tight.

I've tied knots into 1 inch dia. cable by myself using a winch on a D-7 or larger cat.
Then i get my ass chewed later for not making a splice even if there wasn't enough time.
Logging bosses are like Sergeants, they have to chew you out just to stay in practice.

mugwump · 12-02-2005, 19:29

http://www.scoutxing.com/knots/monke...nkeys_fist.htm

Try this one with your steel cable LOL.

My grandpa was in the British Merchant Marine by age 12 and jumped ship in Baltimore when he was 14. I don't believe he was ever naturalized. He knew every knot ever made, I think. He could whip out a monkey fist in a minute. They put a lead ball in them when they were throwing a line ship-to-ship. He claimed they were good luck. I use 'em as fobs on my Benchmade.

BMT (RIP) · 12-02-2005, 20:04

Double grannys dressed off with a half hitch will hold anything!!!

BMT

Huey14 · 12-02-2005, 21:08

Knots were the only thing that tripped me up when I did Civil Defence. I could do the basic ones but anything other than those...

**Bill Harsey** · 12-02-2005, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by mugwump

http://www.scoutxing.com/knots/monke...nkeys_fist.htm

Try this one with your steel cable LOL.

My grandpa was in the British Merchant Marine by age 12 and jumped ship in Baltimore when he was 14. I don't believe he was ever naturalized. He knew every knot ever made, I think. He could whip out a monkey fist in a minute. They put a lead ball in them when they were throwing a line ship-to-ship. He claimed they were good luck. I use 'em as fobs on my Benchmade.

Smart ass, Sir.

I remember helping long splice inch and three eights wire rope skyline and being covered in the interior cable grease on a hot summer day.
This splice was done over about 40+ ft. of line and was invisible upon completion.

The splice had to be good. This stuff was rated at 260,000 lbs. tensile strength and sometimes we broke the skyline with excessive load.

If your logging early in the morning and happen to be standing close enough when a cable breaks, there is a blue ball of flame about the size of a tennis ball as it separates.

This also means your in the wrong place.

CPTAUSRET · 12-02-2005, 21:32

Good thread, glad it was resurrected.

Terry

mugwump · 12-03-2005, 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Harsey

This splice was done over about 40+ ft. of line and was invisible upon completion.

The splice had to be good. This stuff was rated at 260,000 lbs. tensile strength and sometimes we broke the skyline with excessive load.

That could ruin your day.

When you are splicing cable do you taper-cut the individual strands as you do with a line?

**Pete** · 12-04-2005, 07:06

The site didn't like mine, the middle of the line clove hitch.

Turns one long rope into two guy lines when building lifting devices.

ObliqueApproach · 12-04-2005, 09:56

Pete,

That is probably because they wouldn't believe that it was your third knot at the bottom of the deep end!

I still think it is better than water filled mask flutter kicks!

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**Bill Harsey** · 12-04-2005, 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by mugwump

That could ruin your day.

When you are splicing cable do you taper-cut the individual strands as you do with a line?

I've never done a tapered splice like it can be done in fiber rope.

I think it is law (Oregon State Safety) for running lines of lang lay wire rope that we make four tucks of each strand in an eye, then we just cut each remaining strand off a couple inches from the wire rope.

If you grab that part, your hand will not slip.

Some of the marlin spikes we used on the big stuff were almost three ft. long.