08-24-2004, 09:03
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Changes on Bases
Have any of you guys noticed any significant changes in focus, attitudes, etc. since the GWOT started? I'm thinking mostly about Bragg and Benning, maybe Carson and Campbell.
Is there a more serious attitude? Is a lot of the BS gone? That kind of thing.
The reason I ask is its been a couple of years now and thought maybe enough time has passed to see any changes.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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08-24-2004, 10:19
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Not from this perspective
Unfortunately not that I have seen. The usual "command philosophy" rhetoric has taken a more serious slant, but on the whole I have yet to see someone walk the walk. Keep in mind this is my perspective (on a particular unit) based upon input from my students (class after class). The latest example is deploying over to Iraq with weapons not assigned to the individuals, no zero, no qualification, not even a test fire. This after two years of sustained operations.
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Smoke and mirrors.....
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08-24-2004, 12:13
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I know this isn't what you're looking for, but I couldn't get into the aerospace museum at Edwards AFB. Was closed to the public after 9-11.
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08-24-2004, 17:05
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It is tremendously different from when we were young soldiers.
Most of the leadership has a new focus as well. Going to funerals of young soldiers with families will do that for you.
Having over 1/2 of the troops on post deployed at any given time lets the community appreciate them as well.
TR
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08-24-2004, 18:31
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Wartime Base
FT Drum. It's more STRAC than Bragg was during the RVN war. It is a shame that such a high speed Post is near the Artic Circle and non-Airborne. I saw more PFCs, Specs, and PVTs with CIBs since Vietnam. I visit the place, because 560 miles is a short distance to visit my son in the 10th MTN ID.
BTW, it's 31 miles to Canada and commie cigars, just don't bring any home.
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08-25-2004, 07:32
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I'll show my ignorance and age and ask:
WETF is GWOT.
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08-25-2004, 07:50
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Global war on Terrorism...
well, that is what I have always assumed it was. I can't wait to hear if I have been misinterpreting all these posts that whole time. haha
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08-25-2004, 08:02
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sacamuelas
Global war on Terrorism...
well, that is what I have always assumed it was. I can't wait to hear if I have been misinterpreting all these posts that whole time. haha
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Correct.
Usually pronounced GEEwat.
TR
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
De Oppresso Liber 01/20/2025
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08-25-2004, 22:36
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And what is WETF?
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08-26-2004, 03:08
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Quote:
Originally posted by Desert Fox
And what is WETF?
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It's called a typographical error with the "E" being an extra character. It is sometimes pronounced "woteverthephuk". 
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08-26-2004, 17:55
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GWOT was actually the administration's second choice, but it was much more palatable than The War Against Terror in certain forms. 
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08-26-2004, 19:37
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Quote:
Originally posted by Razor
GWOT was actually the administration's second choice, but it was much more palatable than The War Against Terror in certain forms.
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LOL - good one.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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08-26-2004, 22:32
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Well i havent been to a Army base in some time but i can tell you that not much has changed on LUKE AFB (well except the army is there pulling secuirty, that would be me and my unit) the chair force doesnt really seem all to worried about the Gobal war. Damn shame people dont learn from the past.
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