09-17-2008, 07:58
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Short M4/AR
Anyone have a link to the absolute shortest AR Carbine in .223 on the Market. I remember seeing one somewhere that didn't have any type of stock, just a buffer tube. We need something that we can carry concealed in a back pack. It has to be an AR Model. We cant purchase any other model of Weapon.
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09-17-2008, 08:04
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How about a 223 pistol?
Rock River Arms, good kit, I have one that is flawless.
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_id=231
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09-17-2008, 08:18
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You beat me to it. Thats exactly what I was looking for. Only question, isn't it critical to use only a certain type of ammmo for reliability?
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09-17-2008, 08:53
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You beat me to it. Thats exactly what I was looking for. Only question, isn't it critical to use only a certain type of ammmo for reliability?
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I've not shot one yet.
Drop an email to Rock River Arms and ask them.... 
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09-17-2008, 09:26
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Do not forget that as a government issue weapon, you can get the 7.5" upper on a regular FA lower, with a shorty collapsible buttstock, which makes for a much more accurate platform. You could also go with a side folding buttstock, like the Para FAL. It should add slightly to the bulk, but little to the overall length. A vertical foregrip, optical sight, and optional shorty suppressor would make a nice package, probably could find someone to make a nice, low-profile case for it.
The PDW concept, built around the M-4. MSTN could help you.
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09-17-2008, 09:36
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I have a shorty 7.5 inch barrel in the pistol configuration. With a little practice using a sling to help brace it, it is pretty much like a SBR. It uses the regular AR sights, so as a pistol I am iffy on it. Maybe a flat top with halo sights would have been a better choice.
This is strictly for civilian enjoyment.
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09-17-2008, 10:59
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Would the Olympic Arms OA-98 or the OA-93 work? You can also get it with a folding stock OA-93 LE
It's an AR lower but no buffer tube or stock, 6.5 in barrel....
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09-17-2008, 11:44
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It6's a shame you HAVE TOO have a M16 based frame. The dam recoil tube does not make for a "short" package,, and it's not esthetically pleasing...
Here are several picture of AK's in pistol format.
1st pic is a composite of my three AK's, top: AMD-65 with 4" extension and ACE folder, 2nd: AMD-65 Pistol w/12" barrel, 10 rd mag, 3rd: Romanian "G" model.
2nd pic is a MP-5 & FAL 7.62x51 pistol,, Lot's of noise and kick
3rd pic is a AKS-74U, Krinkov
4th pic a very stylized AK, not mine, but very pretty?? AND yes that is a SKS folding bayo... 
AK's can be made to accept 5.56x45 ammo.
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09-17-2008, 11:56
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Right now I am hearing a lot about Wes at Mid South Tactical. He makes a 7" upper for Mil and LEO. Link is below.
http://www.mstn.biz/
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09-17-2008, 12:23
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09-17-2008, 12:34
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Right now I am hearing a lot about Wes at Mid South Tactical. He makes a 7" upper for Mil and LEO. Link is below.
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Wes and Paul are great guys who are fanatics about their builds. They use some very high end parts in their uppers.
Wes is a member here (MSTN), I am sure that you could PM him with any questions and he would be glad to help.
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09-17-2008, 13:24
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Wes uses the 7.5 Noveske barrel on his uppers.
There are some pics on AR15.com MTSN 7.5
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09-17-2008, 19:48
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WWW.Bushmaster.com
Carbon 15 Type 21S Pistol
Carbon 15 9mm Carbine
Carbon 15 Model 4
Carbon 15 Type 97S Pistol
Carbon 15 Top Loading Carbine
Bushmaster SuperLight Carbines
I contacted Bushmaster about these 6 months ago when we had some break in's in our neighborhood. The robbers worked in teams of three and I'm not that good with my .45 so I thought 30 rounds of .223 would enhance my chances. Bushmaster was kind enough to email the balistics on these weapons which I have since misplaced. Interesting concept.
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09-17-2008, 20:00
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WWW.Bushmaster.com
Carbon 15 Type 21S Pistol
Carbon 15 9mm Carbine
Carbon 15 Model 4
Carbon 15 Type 97S Pistol
Carbon 15 Top Loading Carbine
Bushmaster SuperLight Carbines
I contacted Bushmaster about these 6 months ago when we had some break in's in our neighborhood. The robbers worked in teams of three and I'm not that good with my .45 so I thought 30 rounds of .223 would enhance my chances. Bushmaster was kind enough to email the balistics on these weapons which I have since misplaced. Interesting concept.
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Extremely bad reputations for not running.
Caveat emptor.
If you cannot shoot a pistol well, I do not think 30 rounds of 5.56 is going to help do anything but endanger the people living within a mile or two of you. Might I suggest a long gun with a buttstock, that functions properly, or some good handgun instruction?
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09-18-2008, 05:11
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Wes and Paul are great guys who are fanatics about their builds. They use some very high end parts in their uppers.
Wes is a member here (MSTN), I am sure that you could PM him with any questions and he would be glad to help.
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I am going to buy 15 from Wes and Paul. They come highly recommended. I just didn't feel good about buying one of these from a commercial Manufacturer.
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