Black militia group wants to arrest Trayvon Martin shooter

[Pete]

Originally Posted by 99meters

Because "people" are messed up. 99% of the meth-heads I deal with are white. 99% of the juveniles I deal with for popping pills or doing cocaine are white. Most hate crimes a committed by white males. Most serial killers are white males.
People are messed up, you can't just profile by race.

It all depends on where you live.

"Cumberland County arrest mug shots"

http://photos.fayobserver.com/mycapt...s=0&thisPage=1

4 pages of citizens from the county. I didn't count by color or sex but it doesn't look like the Mall Crowd.

[Streck-Fu]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

IMO, the third rail in these types of discussions is humiliation. Like many--if not most--Americans, blacks do not like to be humiliated. However, there is a long terrible history of American civilization being geared to do just that. I think that while many Americans are doing what they can to dismantle this towering relic of our collective past, it continues to dominate the landscape and shape how issues of race are discussed.

The black American community does far more to hinder their own progress by promoting behaviors that are counter to success; whether the supporting the gang, thug, pimp, womanizing, multiple children out of wedlock and unprovided for, etc.

The Man is not making them do this. It is an internal culture problem. When you have even the successful black Americans (I use this term because I have known many Africans and none wanted anything to do with 'African' Americans) in the Congressional Black Caucus calling any black person not supporting their entitlement programs an "Oreo: Black on the outside, white on the inside." the non black people are not the problem.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by 99meters

Because "people" are messed up. 99% of the meth-heads I deal with are white. 99% of the juveniles I deal with for popping pills or doing cocaine are white. Most hate crimes a committed by white males. Most serial killers are white males.
People are messed up, you can't just profile by race.

Stats?

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

The answer to your question is "no." I am not a criminologist, a sociologist, nor an urban historian.

In my neighborhood, the deadbeats, thieves, and lowlifes are white.

How about posting stats on the crime in your neighborhood? You're not averse to backing up your posts, usually.

[Dusty]

Literally anybody who doesn't plainly see what's going on is ignoring the truth because they want to, not because they're too stupid to get a grip on it.

Nearly all blacks vote Democrat. The madder they are at whites, the greater the racial discord, which makes it better for the Democrats. White guilt helped the Democrat win last time.

[Paslode]

I am not going to search through topics to find these, but

TR's thoughts on music brought to mind a discussion we had where I mentioned David Allen Coe and Johnny Rebel after Sigaba discussed the nuances of Hip Hop and Rap.

Not all that long ago MTN Medic upset Shar with the use of 'The Mormon' and I apparently exacerbated the situation by saying in essence who cares.


We have been down this road before.


Sigaba you have brought words have meaning and they do consequences associated theme into at least one other discussion.....from what I recollect. And on many occasions you have brought in the dark side of our country's history as you have done in this topic.

All of which is valid, though the consequences associated with words are potential not guaranteed.

However the transmission I have receive from those offerings is your offering a excuse for the bad behavior.

On this topic however you added another piece to the puzzle....empowerment. On one hand you tell us that we should ignore people, in this case the NBPP so that we do not empower them. But on the other hand you have not addressed empowerment in regards to words, events, etc. and what or who empowers such things.

For example, TR's comment:

When I hear someone next to me playing rude, racist, sexist, misogynistic, sociopathic, and obnoxious music at loud volumes, my first thought is what an asshole they are, and the second is why do they seem to think that I want to hear their selection of "music?"

The cars occupants have forced TR to listen to their music at a time and place.

TR makes the decision to empower to whatever degree, the occupants, the music and the event. He decides to enjoy it, accept it, ignore it and drive off, confront the music or he decides to get out and confront the individual(s).

Sigaba, you can call me the trigger phrase White Boy, but it is up to me to embrace you, accept it, ignore you or to pull the trigger.

I can't control whether you poke me with a pencil, I can't control how many times you have done it, whether it is by accident or with intent to provoke or harm me...........but it will be solely my decision how I react.


But what about words words, events, etc.? Should we not treat them in the same manner as you suggest we should treat the NBPP, possible even more so?

[Pete]

This is a cool site.

http://spotcrime.com/nc/fayetteville

You can walk it in and move it about. If you know the area you can make an assumption or three.

[Destrier]

Originally Posted by 99meters

Because "people" are messed up. 99% of the meth-heads I deal with are white. 99% of the juveniles I deal with for popping pills or doing cocaine are white. Most hate crimes a committed by white males. Most serial killers are white males.
People are messed up, you can't just profile by race.

"Most of the 'prosecuted' hate crimes are white" there is an appearance of double standard in this particular type of crime in my opinion.


There is a significant difference between doing a target/threat analysis for the area your at and racial profiling.

Mexican border... hmm racial profiling or common sense? to check a group of hispanics with back packs and a water bottle.

Downtown Rochester Ny, racial profiling or common damn sense to be wary of guy sporting gang tats, following a lone individual walking down the street.

Population density, racial make up of an area, propensity of criminal activity for groups of people in a region,

That is not racial profiling it is simply reality and having situation awareness.

[Surgicalcric]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

...I don't know if using race as my prime descriptor helps my ability to figure out what is going on. I am pretty sure that thinking in such terms isn't going to help me get to where I want to go as a person.

Maybe you could explain this to the individuals, in the black community, fueling these types of issues.

Fact of the matter is blacks and blacks alone are now responsible for their lot in life, not whitey. The NAACP, ACLU, Congressional Black Caucus (the cry from the black community if there was a NAAWP or white caucus would be incredible), and organizations like them are self-licking icecream cones who must keep black people in a perceived state of inequality or the key individuals in those organizations would be many left without a microphone and paycheck.

[Dusty]

The thread was started to discuss a current event. This being a discussion board, I assume the news to be a valid topic for discussion.

Some posters here seem to want to shut down points of view which are based on statistical facts in order to avoid ire from one side or the other of the argument.

If you want to convice me your points are valid, then post statistical proof that will hold up under the scrutiny of at least a cursory investigation. I don't care about the sensitivity of an issue, as long as it's legal to talk about and doesn't violate security. Just don't make blanket, politically correct statements and expect me to fall for it.

[tonyz]

Edited excerpts below from the Juan Williams WSJ article that was posted by Mack27 in post #212 in this thread. Mr. Williams may be on to something.

At the risk of being labeled insensitive, given the brouhaha, one statistic cited in the Williams piece jumped out at me...>90% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks.

So, I pulled a USDOJ report that might have been the basis for the comments made by Mr. Williams to see if what he suggested had merit. I found the following link:

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

From the report at the link:

From 1976 to 2005 --

86% of white victims were killed by whites
94% of black victims were killed by blacks

Edited excerpts from Juan Williams WSJ article:

The race-baiters argue this case deserves special attention...

The shooting death of Trayvon Martin in Florida has sparked national outrage, with civil rights leaders from San Francisco to Baltimore leading protests calling for a new investigation and the arrest of the shooter.

But what about all the other young black murder victims?

Nationally, nearly half of all murder victims are black. And the overwhelming majority of those black people are killed by other black people. Where is the march for them?

The most recent comprehensive study on black-on-black crime from the Justice Department should have been a clarion call for the black community to take action. There is no reason to believe that the trends it reported have decreased since 2005, the year for which the data were reported.

Almost one half of the nation's murder victims that year were black and a majority of them were between the ages of 17 and 29. Black people accounted for 13% of the total U.S. population in 2005. Yet they were the victims of 49% of all the nation's murders. And 93% of black murder victims were killed by other black people, according to the same report.

The killing of any child is a tragedy. But where are the protests regarding the larger problems facing black America?

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by tonyz

The killing of any child is a tragedy. But where are the protests regarding the larger problems facing black America?

Same thing Blair asked. Haven't heard much from him, since...

Were his statements "racist"?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...2/ukcrime.race

Tony Blair yesterday claimed the spate of knife and gun murders in London was not being caused by poverty, but a distinctive black culture. His remarks angered community leaders, who accused him of ignorance and failing to provide support for black-led efforts to tackle the problem.
One accused him of misunderstanding the advice he had been given on the issue at a Downing Street summit.

Black community leaders reacted after Mr Blair said the recent violence should not be treated as part of a general crime wave, but as specific to black youth. He said people had to drop their political correctness and recognise that the violence would not be stopped "by pretending it is not young black kids doing it".

It needed to be addressed by a tailored counter-attack in the same way as football hooliganism was reined in by producing measures aimed at the specific problem, rather than general lawlessness.

Mr Blair's remarks are at odds with those of the Home Office minister Lady Scotland, who told the home affairs select committee last month that the disproportionate number of black youths in the criminal justice system was a function of their disproportionate poverty, and not to do with a distinctive black culture.

Giving the Callaghan lecture in Cardiff, the prime minister admitted he had been "lurching into total frankness" in the final weeks of his premiership. He called on black people to lead the fight against knife crime. He said that "the black community - the vast majority of whom in these communities are decent, law abiding people horrified at what is happening - need to be mobilised in denunciation of this gang culture that is killing innocent young black kids".

[plato]

Originally Posted by Dusty

If you want to convice me your points are valid, then post statistical proof that will hold up under the scrutiny of at least a cursory investigation.

Not to support any particular viewpoint, but just "because it's there". All info from the Feds, 2004 or 2007, depending on latest available.

% children 6 to 18 mother less than high school completion
White 5
Black 13

% Enrolled in Head Start
White 7
Black 25

Grades 6 thru 12
...............%Suspended........... %Expelled
White ..................16................ 1
Black ................... 43............... 13

Births per 1000 females 15-19
White 27.2
Black 64.3

No husband in household
White 9
Black 30

Household income
Husband and wife worked $101,961
One worker $63,581

Links available on request. Omitted for brevity.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by plato

No husband in household
White 9
Black 30

That stat's key.

[Paslode]

Initially Rev. Al's outrage was that this incident was a racially-motivated "hate crime." Now he is just outraged that Z hasn't been arrested..

Al Sharpton: Civil disobedience will escalate if Zimmerman remains free
2:22 p.m. EST, March 30, 2012|

By Arelis R. Hernández, Orlando Sentinel


If George Zimmerman is not arrested in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin soon, theRev. Al Sharpton will call for an escalation in peaceful civil disobedience and economic sanctions.

Sharpton would not say the efforts would be taken against the city of Sanford specifically, but he has been critical of the police department's handling of the case.

Saturday's scheduled 11 a.m. march from Crooms Academy of Information Technology to the Sanford Police Department headquarters was organized by National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Coordinators said people will be bused in from other states to participate.

The civil rights activist and syndicated television show host said he will elaborate on this plan Saturday.

"I will speak about how the National Action Network will move to the next level if Zimmerman isn't arrested," Sharpton said, who founded the organization. He added that it was the Martin family and lawyers who first asked him to get involved and nationalize this story.

TheRev. Jesse Jacksonis also expected to participate in the event.

The case has ignited ire and debate across the nation, galvanizing thousands of Trayvon supporters to the streets and social media, donning hoodies and toting Skittles.

Sanford police this week released a video of a handcuffed George Zimmerman apparently showing no visible signs of physical injury after he claimed that he shot the 17-year-old Miami teenager in self-defense.

Zimmerman's family have come to his defense on national news networks, releasing details about his version of what happened the night of Feb. 26 when police found the teen face down in wet grass.

Sharpton said the recent revelations only underscores the need for an immediate arrest and trial.

"Whether he [Zimmerman] had a swollen or broken nose, neither one means he had to take a 9mm and kill someone," he said. "It's not about saying Zimmerman is innocent or guilty, this is about whether there was probable cause to arrest him."

He criticized the way authorities have released information about the case and said they are setting a harmful precedent, he said.

Sanford city officials announced several road closures in anticipation of the march including 13th street, from U.S. Highway 17-92 to Lake Avenue; as well as, Persimmon Street from McCracken Road to 13th.

The demonstration is expected to end at 2 p.m., organizers said.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...al-association