Black militia group wants to arrest Trayvon Martin shooter

[Destrier]

The most recent comprehensive study on black-on-black crime from the Justice Department should have been a clarion call for the black community to take action.

Who says it hasn't.

If you have a problem of infighting in your merry band of men. Giving them a common goal has a good effect typically.


In this case black on black crime. You refocus with a common enemy.

End state, less black on black crime.

[99meters]

Originally Posted by Destrier

"Most of the 'prosecuted' hate crimes are white" there is an appearance of double standard in this particular type of crime in my opinion.


There is a significant difference between doing a target/threat analysis for the area your at and racial profiling.

Mexican border... hmm racial profiling or common sense? to check a group of hispanics with back packs and a water bottle.

Downtown Rochester Ny, racial profiling or common damn sense to be wary of guy sporting gang tats, following a lone individual walking down the street.

That is not racial profiling it is simply reality and having situation awareness.

You made my point. The back-packs and water bottles add reasonable suspicion. Following a lone individual adds reasonable suspicion.
Good profiling is based on specific and articulable facts that allow you make rational inferences, not on " oh shit he is black or hispanic"

[Five-O]

Originally Posted by Pete

This is a cool site.

http://spotcrime.com/nc/fayetteville

You can walk it in and move it about. If you know the area you can make an assumption or three.

http://spotcrime.com/pa/philadelphia I believe the homicides are excluded.

We do not know for certain if GZ was following or profiling TM based on TMs race / ethnicity. That technically did not enter the series of events until the dispatcher asked if he was white, black, or hispanic.

[Paslode]

Rev Al has been perform this song & dance for a long time....interesting video with commentary.

http://content.bitsontherun.com/prev...qiyw8-svqBtzyp

[Richard]

Yet again the wheels of our lumbering social experiment of a bus are stuck - spinning in a puddle of emotionally muddied conjecturing at the base of our nationally constructed dam, signs of a conveniently ignored flaw in its design, construction, and maintenance - and causes us to lose sight of the enormity of our cultural reservoir, the complexity of the real and perceived historical and social forces it exerts upon that dam, and the reality that it is truly amazing that the damn thing ever existed at all...let alone retains the wherewithal to continue the experiment.

Astounding.

And so it goes...

Richard

[plato]

Originally Posted by Richard

Yet again the wheels of our lumbering social experiment of a bus are stuck - spinning in a puddle of emotionally muddied conjecturing at the base of our nationally constructed dam, signs of a conveniently ignored flaw in its design, construction, and maintenance - and causes us to lose sight of the enormity of our cultural reservoir, the complexity of the real and perceived historical and social forces it exerts upon that dam, and the reality that it is truly amazing that the damn thing ever existed at all...let alone retains the wherewithal to continue the experiment.

Richard

OhmiGod! Another non-English-speaking person.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

The black American community does far more to hinder their own progress by promoting behaviors that are counter to success; whether the supporting the gang, thug, pimp, womanizing, multiple children out of wedlock and unprovided for, etc.

The Man is not making them do this. It is an internal culture problem. When you have even the successful black Americans (I use this term because I have known many Africans and none wanted anything to do with 'African' Americans) in the Congressional Black Caucus calling any black person not supporting their entitlement programs an "Oreo: Black on the outside, white on the inside." the non black people are not the problem.

I think the basic disagreement between your POV and mine is that we have different understandings of the "here and now."

You are more comfortable with a top-down perspective that allows the few to speak for the many. I am more comfortable with a bottom-up perspective that empowers the many to speak for themselves.

A chief advantage of your position is that it allows for the thumbnails that drives contemporary political discourse. That is, your approach lends itself to the identification of a "problem" and a "solution." The chief advantage of my position is that it is historiographically sustainable. That is, my approach lends itself to a dynamic in which the answers to a question prompt additional questions.

I understand that there is in America a broad, deep division between the two approaches. This gap generates a controversy all its own. In communities such as this one, many hold the latter approach--and its practitioners--in contempt. In other arenas, the contempt flows in the opposite direction. Ironically, a common feature of both discussions is an overall tone: "That's the other guys' problem; they're idiots." How about that.

My objective is to support efforts to bridge the gap, to fill in the divide, and to seek reconciliation based upon empathy and respect. A very wise historian of the American south has told me that my efforts in both arenas are wasted and pointless.

He might be right.

[Streck-Fu]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

and to seek reconciliation based upon empathy and respect. .....

That has to be a two way street.....and, as evidenced by current events, it is not.

The difference between our perspectives is that yours seems to be a product of what you have read to be an ideal while I try to base mine on the reality of observation and experience.

[Destrier]

Originally Posted by 99meters

You made my point. The back-packs and water bottles add reasonable suspicion. Following a lone individual adds reasonable suspicion.
Good profiling is based on specific and articulable facts that allow you make rational inferences, not on " oh shit he is black or hispanic"

Much like a hooded, stranger in a gated community meandering around at night.

A reasonable person might think that with a half dozen minor burglaries in the area in recent months, it might warrant a closer look or better yet a call to 911 to let them come take a gander.

Not saying he did or did not racially profile. Just saying with the background of the area that we have heard of, it does not seem unreasonable at all to call 911.

[Dusty]

Most white people are afraid of blacks, and it taints their reasoning. They don't face the fact that black people are no different from those of any other race, and thereby deserve the same scrutiny.

The true racist is the white guy who feels guilty somehow about what some assholes did in the '60's, slavery, etc.

I don't give a f.ck what color you are; if I think you're f.cking up, I'm gonna tell you.

[tonyz]

Crickets...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigaba
"In my neighborhood, the deadbeats, thieves, and lowlifes are white."

Originally Posted by Dusty

How about posting stats on the crime in your neighborhood? You're not averse to backing up your posts, usually.

[Don]

Originally Posted by tonyz

Crickets...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigaba
"In my neighborhood, the deadbeats, thieves, and lowlifes are white."

The funny thing about that quote is... If you replace "are white" with "are black" ....that would be racist vitriol in most circles. Since it is "are white", all anyone is asking for are stats to prove the statement.

ETA: Sig... This was not a knock on you. I think you are a very profound thinker. This just popped up as something that might show a contrast in viewpoints.

[Dusty]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-legal-defense

The National Association for Legal Gun Defense wants to contribute $10,000 toward George Zimmerman's legal expenses, a member said today.

The group represents gun owners involved in self-defense shooting cases, said attorney Blue Rannefeld of Fort Worth, Texas.

Rannefeld said he has not been able to contact Zimmerman, 28, and is trying to reach Zimmerman's attorney, Craig Sonner of Altamonte Springs to make the group's offer of assistance.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Don

The funny thing about that quote is... If you replace "are white" with "are black" ....that would be racist vitriol in most circles. Since it is "are white", all anyone is asking for are stats to prove the statement.

That sure seems reasonable.