Jogger Stands His Ground against Attacker - Page 2

Tree Potato · 01-13-2011, 00:06

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Originally Posted by silentreader

Gentlemen,

First of all, good points. The decision to draw and shoot a gun at a human should always be a decision to kill, and the jogger was completely justified in making that decision upon being punched in the face.

Here's an article with a little more detail. You guys were spot on; he assumed his assailant was armed, he cleared 360 (covers the other kid while he ran away) and he called the police. The prosecutor was right to let this kid off without punishment.

He certainly was justified; good on the prosecutor for not pressing charges.

Somewhat odd, though, that he chose to jog by himself after midnight with a load of cash, in Tampa. There will be debates in CCW circles about whether he put himself at risk to start with...sometimes a little SA might prevent getting into such a situation. But once there and attacked he did what he felt necessary to survive, and there's one less punk mugging people. I wish him well in working through the disruption in his life this will be.

As for the 8 shots, that he hit with 4 of them is better than average for a self-defense shooting. Anyone who thinks that's excessive must have missed the part that the attacker was still alive while waiting for the cops to arrive.

**Pete** · 01-13-2011, 04:49

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Originally Posted by Tree Potato

.......Somewhat odd, though, that he chose to jog by himself after midnight with a load of cash, in Tampa...........

Do you unload your wallet of cash and credit cards when you go for a run or bike ride? Or do you prefer to run with no ID?

Does it matter what time it was? What time is the allowed exercise time in your location? I have a friend trying to up his standing in bike racing - he starts riding at 3:30AM - because the traffic volume is lower and he can take longer rides through town.

And location? I know where the major areas are in my town for crime and I avoid them at night - but just about every morning I read about a crime that happened outside those areas.

I'd say the streets in that area are one punk safer - no matter what the punks mother says about him.

Dusty · 01-13-2011, 04:52

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Originally Posted by Peregrino

Wonder what he was using for a holster? Might be something useful there.

That's what I was thinking-always an aggravation in hot weather.

JJ_BPK · 01-13-2011, 05:02

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Originally Posted by GrumpyMedic

Personally, I think the state of Florida should make the deceased's parents pay to replace the shooter's ammunition...

The Perp's family will probably sue for damages, loss of companionship, lost income, environmental cruelty based on the loss of carbon credits, and PTSD..

Guy · 01-13-2011, 06:12

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Originally Posted by Pete

I'd say the streets in that area are one punk safer - no matter what the punks mother says about him.

Hopefully, his 16y/o partner has seen the light....

Stay safe.

FILO · 01-13-2011, 08:21

This incident happened in the Town & Country area which is essentially a working-middle class suburban area of incorporated Hillsborough County and although it has a Tampa address it is patrolled by the Sheriff's Department. I pass through on both Waters and Linebaugh Avenue on a regular basis and wouldn't hesitate for a moment to walk there at night. When it first went down the television press interviewed a number of the deceased friends and it was clear they were trying to make this out as an unprovoked murder. Good on the local DA for investigating it thoroughly and doing the right thing.

Oldrotorhead · 01-13-2011, 08:58

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Originally Posted by Defend

Not at all excessive. Have to wonder which 4 missed their target - first 4? A good reminder of why it's nice to have decent clip capacity. Similar circumstances but with two assailants could have had a very different outcome.

Glad to see Mr. Baker's rights upheld.

-out

Maybe it is just me but 4 hits with 8 shots at night under stress, at least sightly injured isn't a bad response. His intended target is dead, he gets to go home and the state have found him not to have made a mistake. I would also guess he has little or no training, now he has the option to get more training. You can check almost any shooting by police, FBI, or civilian shooting any you may be surprised and the number of misses. There are probably people here that can do much better but even most military are doing well to get 50% hits in a close encounter.

Dusty · 01-13-2011, 09:04

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Originally Posted by Oldrotorhead

Maybe it is just me but 4 hits with 8 shots at night under stress, at least sightly injured isn't a bad response. His intended target is dead, he gets to go home and the state have found him not to have made a mistake. I would also guess he has little or no training, now he has the option to get more training. You can check almost any shooting by police, FBI, or civilian shooting any you may be surprised and the number of misses. There are probably people here that can do much better but even most military are doing well to get 50% hits in a close encounter.

Would you happen to have a link to that information (green)?

Oldrotorhead · 01-13-2011, 09:07

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Originally Posted by Dusty

Would you happen to have a link to that information (green)?

I will look and try to remember what I read. If I can find it I will come back with a link. If I can't confirm this I will apologize.

Hand · 01-13-2011, 09:11

Good comment on that follow up article:

Liberal politicians worry about the rights of criminals because they are one of their main sources of support. They don't care about the average citizen because the average citizen won't vote for them. I wonder how this guy shot eight times and didn't take down the second mugger. But all in all he did a service for the community.
- lotusblos, Los Gatos, CA, USA, 13/1/2011 13:36

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1Avci7b6q

Oldrotorhead · 01-13-2011, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Dusty

Would you happen to have a link to that information (green)?

I do not have it in front of me but I believe I found it here.

On Killing by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman

If this is not correct and you would like I will continue to look and try to remember the source.

Dusty · 01-13-2011, 09:30

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Originally Posted by Oldrotorhead

I do not have it in front of me but I believe I found it here.

On Killing by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman

If this is not correct and you would like I will continue to look and try to remember the source.

This guy?

http://www.killology.com/

Dusty · 01-13-2011, 09:34

Bio:

http://www.warriorsciencegroup.com/ltdg-biography/

He co-authored this book; is that where you got the stats?

http://www.baen.com/chapters/W200403...1822.htm?blurb

Kren of the Mitchegai

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Oldrotorhead · 01-13-2011, 10:03

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Originally Posted by Dusty

Bio:

http://www.warriorsciencegroup.com/ltdg-biography/

Yes. I know I have read something else as well but I just don't remember what and where. FBI and police statistics are easier to find. I believe due to the much more limited encounters and the need of the legal system to squeeze every single detail from everything.
If I am wrong and you can show me better sources I'm open to learn.

Dusty · 01-13-2011, 10:10

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Originally Posted by Oldrotorhead

Yes. I know I have read something else as well but I just don't remember what and where. FBI and police statistics are easier to find. I believe due to the much more limited encounters and the need of the legal system to squeeze every single detail from everything.
If I am wrong and you can show me better sources I'm open to learn.

Let me do my research. I need to read all four books in his "Boy and His Tank" scifi series before I get down to some serious stat quotin'.