New Battleground Poll Released

Never been polled. Have voted in every election that I have been eligible to vote in.

[lrd]

I've never been called for a political poll.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
The poll is of people who are likely to vote. So it's actually very good. People who don't vote don't count.

This is why social security is so f'd up.

Negative, not people who are likely to vote, the group that voted most in the last election. I haven't even looked and wouldn't know where to, but I would be willing to bet that when the country is at war, the younger voters are much more likely to vote. Like the age group that thinks they are most likely to be drafted. The 40-50s will too, because its their kids going. If I was 18-26, I would I have vested interest in voting.

Of course I would vote for the candidate most likely to give me a free plane ride and a rifle to go where I could kill some terrorists, but that's just me.

Be interesting to see what the military vote does this time and if the libs count it.

Looks like POTUS' team needs to get on that economy message. Everything I have seen points to a much improved between now and October, little signs of inflation though.

[Surgicalcric]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
...Of course I would vote for the candidate most likely to give me a free plane ride and a rifle to go where I could kill some terrorists, but that's just me...

Spoke with a young man (boy) yesterday in regards to this very subject here at the FD. He is not a firefighter, rather a little punk bastard who I would surely stop a mud hole into and walk out dry given half the chance, but the son of a firefighter. He and his friends have organized a group at Furman University who are against the war and want Pres. Bush out of office solely because we are at war. From what I he said there are about 1,000 of them who are plainning on voting for "the French looking Presidential Candidate-Senator from Mass. From what I have gathered they seem to believe we had 9.11 coming and should just "take it on the cheek" and go on with life. He went further to say the FU group is one of the smaller ones throughout the US with this viewpoint and ideology. duh.

I believe there will be more men (used loosely) in the draft age voting this year for the reason(s) stated.

Back to your previously scheduled polling topic.

[DunbarFC]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
I have been polled before. I also have designed and overseen polls.

Same here for both

Just to chime in as to why I find polls increasingly false.
Polls by phone are going to be distorted for at least
the following reasons:

1) caller ID - increasing over the last 8 years
2) Mobile phones - worked on development of auto-dialer switches and mobile exchanges are typically not allowed to
be called because of billing structures
3) more people are removing land lines and going to wireless
only.

Technology alone is changing the sample base.

[QRQ 30]

Polls are perhaps useful for those with an agenda. The problem with polls and statistics is that they can be spun and twisted to fit one's own agenda. The same statistics can be used by opposite sides. I think way back to the debating club when in H.S. We had basically the same stats and had to prepare an argument for both sides of a proposition since we didn't know which side we would take until just before the debate. That sounds a lot like politics doesn't it. It doesn't matter who is right, just who wins.

BTW: I thought FU was Furman University for College Kids!<BG>

BTW again: According to Pulque I'm in my last year and nobody has asked my opinion yet. (sigh).

[Surgicalcric]

You are spot-on QRQ30.

He is just another punk who's heart pumps Kool-aid. Next time he sticks his head in my office and wants to discuss our military I will send him your way since you are only a few minutes down the interstate from me. I am sure you could either open his eyes to the truth or close them for him.

[Team Sergeant]

Well then Crip, it's time to inform BJU that Furman is marching for islam. LOL, that would interesting to watch.

[Surgicalcric]

Interesting indeed.

[pulque]

Originally posted by QRQ 30 Polls are perhaps useful for those with an agenda. The problem with polls and statistics is that they can be spun and twisted to fit one's own agenda. The same statistics can be used by opposite sides. I think way back to the debating club when in H.S. We had basically the same stats and had to prepare an argument for both sides of a proposition since we didn't know which side we would take until just before the debate. That sounds a lot like politics doesn't it. It doesn't matter who is right, just who wins.

BTW: I thought FU was Furman University for College Kids!

BTW again: According to Pulque I'm in my last year and nobody has asked my opinion yet. (sigh).

NO WAY! I'm here to hear your opinion.

You are absolutely right about the problems with polls and statistics. But statistics are used for so many things that its good to learn how to be critical of them. We use alot of statistics when searching for a cure for aging.

ps I dont fall into that 45-64 either.

[QRQ 30]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
Well then Crip, it's time to inform BJU that Furman is marching for islam. LOL, that would interesting to watch.

Now, that WOULD be an interesting cross town rivalry!

[Surgicalcric]

]hijack[

BJU has an armory full of M-16A1's and M-14's for their security. We used to call them BoJo 5-0.

During the 70's there was apparently a time when they were worried about a revolution against Christianity or something to that affect. I dont remember the specifics. I know they still have the weapons though, or did as late as Feb 2001.

]hijack ended[

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Negative, not people who are likely to vote, the group that voted most in the last election. I haven't even looked and wouldn't know where to, but I would be willing to bet that when the country is at war, the younger voters are much more likely to vote. Like the age group that thinks they are most likely to be drafted. The 40-50s will too, because its their kids going. If I was 18-26, I would I have vested interest in voting.

No, you're missing something. The phone lists they use to do these polls are generated using registration records that indicate voting history. I don't know whether there is an indication in here of how they picked their list, but it is very likely that you had to have voted in several past general elections to be eligible for a phone call in the first place.

This thing with younger voters is way overblown. Yes, they turn out sometimes, but they are too irresponsible to vote for the most part. The reality is that older voters are the important ones, and young voters matter very little. Most of the time, anyway.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by Surgicalcric
I believe there will be more men (used loosely) in the draft age voting this year for the reason(s) stated.

Anyone want to bet? Has to be something good. State the precise bet you want to make, including which prior election will be used to compare turnout.