Fort Hood Shooting

[glebo]

Originally Posted by Pete

So when we were fighting Germany and Italy Christians could sit it out?

So if we fight a war in Africa Blacks in the Military could sit it out?

Funny (not really) you mentioned that. When the 82d was ready to go to Zaire (77/78?) many of the black soldiers said they didn't want to go and kill their brothers. (if they had to)

[rubberneck]

Dirtyshirt there was a Quiet Professional from this board who gave his life in defense of his country and he just so happened to be a Muslim.

http://www.groups.sfahq.com/5th/taha_ayman_kia_5th.htm

[longrange1947]

I actually blame the alter of the politically correct for this incident. Commanders are scared to death to do anything for fear fo being called racist. the commnader acknowledged that he knew about the rantings fo the man but did nothing. The chain of command is too worried about the appearance of racial profiling or racism to properly protect the soldier.

We need to look at the threat, and react to the threat, not worry about the appearance of ..........

I am concerned.

This thread has degenerated into speculation, analysis of speculation and speculation on speculation.

We have all suffered a loss from this incident. We are letting our anger and other emotions interfere with what professionals prefer; facts, logic and analysis. The relevant facts can hardly all be available yet.

The mourning tradition in all cultures is similar and not accidental, but based on the psychological needs of the survivors. Expressions of sadness, emotional support for the survivors and a reminder of the good parts of life are usually appropriate.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by HowardCohodas

.........We have all suffered a loss from this incident. We are letting our anger and other emotions interfere with what professionals prefer; facts, logic and analysis. The relevant facts can hardly all be available yet.........

You may speak for yourself and a few others but let me tell you my emotions are not very hot at all, in fact they are pretty cold right now.

The apologists are just getting cranked up - now that will heat me up a few dergrees.

[Richard]

MOO - but somebody needs to find a way to scripturally unhook the thinking that suicide is sinful from the train of theological reasoning so such psychos can feel free to do unto themsleves and leave others alone.

Richard's $.02

[Red Flag 1]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

The left is going to paint this a$$-ho as a one-off psycho with PTSD and completely bury that notion that he is a Jihadist Terrorist.

What's worse,, his CoC is going to help them,, so they can cover-up their utter failure to boot his a$$ long ago..

And POTUS will TelePrompter the message to the World,, after giving the MOH to Oprah...

Seems this "shrink" was insufficiently shrunk, I believe that is still part of the psych residency.

On a related subject, no virgins for this guy!

RF 1

[akv]

"Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting "

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/polit...President.html

The events at Fort Hood and Obama's callous ineptitude, are visceral and gut wrenching. If anything it reinforces the lesson the world is a dangerous place and strong leaders are a priceless resource. I know folks were upset by these events, but America's greatness derives from being a nation of immigrants, every one of us except 100% Native Americans is or is descended from immigrants, we cannot let a murderer turn us against ourselves, nor should we let PC concerns smother obvious Red Flags. There is a lot of experience and wisdom on this board, the calm logic seems to beg the question are you an American first, if so it doesn't matter what name you call God. As folks here pointed out the valor and sacrifices of the most highly decorated unit in the history of the US military, the Nisei 442 Regimantal Combat Team, or the recent sacrifice of Staff Sgt. Ayman Taha demonstrate what constitutes a great American. The reality of the situation is we have to look to ourselves in these times since clearly there is no leadership coming from the executive branch of our government.

[Bordercop]

Link is here: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/..._scenario.html

A More Likely Scenario
By Andie Brownlow

The shooting on Nov. 5th in Fort Hood may be indicative of similar attacks to come. The shooter carried out an attack on specifically outbound soldiers for deployment at the Soldier Readiness Center. Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan, was raised as a Muslim and opposed to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The fact that he chose to kill or maim over 40 US soldiers rather than go to war against Muslim jihadists is indicative of another motive. Explaining away this massacre as a conflict of conscience seems to be an oxymoron. Looking past the incident as a singular event you'll find a very different, possible reason for the attack.


According to a Nov. 4th Stratfor report, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) leader, Nasir al-Wahayshi, wrote an article last week in an online magazine, Sada al-Malahim (The Echo of the Battle). In it he called for jihadists to conduct easy attacks on targets in Egypt, Saudi Arabia Yemen as well as in Western Nations "at war with Islam". They were to use easily accessible weapons and explosives and to not "waste a lot of time finding the materials..." The way in which this information was disseminated is just as telling as the article itself. According to the global intelligence source, Stratfor:


That al-Wahayshi gave these instructions in an internet magazine distributed via jihadist chat rooms, not in some secret meeting with his operational staff, demonstrates that they are clearly intended to reach grassroots jihadists -- and are not intended as some guidance for AQAP members.


In another Stratfor report from June of 2006 called, "Al Qaeda: The Next Phase of Evolution" it was suggested that the rise of local, unaffiliated terror cells are becoming the most effective form of guerilla warfare. Al Qaeda is morphing into something similar to a "pre-9/11 Operation Model". It relies on grassroots elements that "think globally and act locally". Stratfor calls this the "4.0 Operation Model" in which it can:


...Entail more sophisticated levels of coordination -- and the possibility of simultaneous strikes against geographically diverse targets (for instance London, Toronto and New York). Previously, such a feat could only have been accomplished by the core al Qaeda organization. For a grassroots network to accomplish that feat, without direct involvement from the central leadership, would represent a generational leap forward in jihadist operations.


Terror cells aren't the only form of recent jihadist activity and roadside IEDs aren't the only form of explosives for these new attacks. In Nasir al-Wahayshi's article last week, he cited an incident a few weeks ago where an assassin wore a small IED in his anal cavity in an attack on Saudi Deputy Interior Minister Prince Mohammed bin Nayef. This was a new, unsuspected form of suicide bombing. It was unsuccessful in killing the target, only slightly injuring him; but this method proved to be effective against detection.


Also in the article, al-Wahayshi mentioned a specific amount of explosives that could be made from household items, suggesting similar IEDs could be improvised. Grassroots jihadists may also be interpreting attacks to be suicide bombings on individual targets as well as in geographical locations.


Whether Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan acted out of insanity or some bizarre moral dilemma, he conducted an attack on US soil of a terrorist nature. Americans need to become more vigilant since we are more vulnerable to attack from jihadists now than ever.

Terror cells will be even harder to prevent as new grassroots jihadists do not need to communicate directly with a central authority. They now get their information from websites and take cues to from leadership messages published on them. There will be less chatter to monitor because these groups will find each other locally and keep their operations small and low-key.


Now is the time for our current government to become pro-active in thwarting terrorist plots. Being reactionary just won't cut it anymore. The fact that the Obama Administration renamed the "War on Terror" to the "Overseas Contingency Plan" highlights just how off base they are on the threat our country now faces.


Our intelligence agencies also need to be allowed to do their job without fear of persecution. Nancy Pelosi's shameful display of classic CYA against the CIA doesn't give the FBI much incentive to help conduct domestic surveillance on these new groups.


My prediction on the matter is that the issue will be resolved only as "a US soldier carried out the Fort Hood attack" and let the assumptions about a violent soldier fall where they may. For this Administration and their cronies it's a lot more convenient than fulfilling one of the only stated responsibilities of our Federal Government.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Utah Bob

Looks like there were red flags popping up all over. The ball was dropped. Once a commissioned officer starts posting stuff like that on the internet, he should be toast.

Political Correctness and CAIR prevent it.

You pay hundreds of thousands to educate this guy and give him a career, but you cannot kick him out without someone (ACLU, CAIR) suing you.

Perhaps some recall that recently, an award was made to the Muslims who were acting suspiciously on a flight and were later removed. They won the case against the airlines, and tried to sue the fellow passengers who reported their behavior. We have truly got our heads in the sands ignoring the terrorists walking among us, and using our laws against us.

TR

[Bordercop]

The link: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/...he_ft_hoo.html

Medical response to the Ft. Hood massacre
By John Dale Dunn, MD

Yesterday was beautiful warm blue, blue, make-you-happy, sky day in Texas. I was scheduled to work a shift at Carl R. Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, Texas, the busiest emergency department in the Army, at a base with always more than 50 thousand soldiers.


I have been a civilian contract emergency physician at Fort Hood since 2003. I teach Army Residents and students and mid level practitioners emergency medical practice, working alongside the main group of remarkable and able Army Physician Faculty, who do what I do, and are regularly deployed "down range" to support the Army mission in the field.


I was one of many physicians from the central Texas area who filled in during the hot war in Iraq, and I stayed on. I can't think of a better job than caring for and thanking thousands of soldiers and their families and teaching some of the finest specimens of American youth extant -- people who haven't forgotten the virtues and the concepts of duty, honor and country and make their parents and families proud. Somedays I am overcome by the good I see in these students and physicians in training. I am one lucky old doc.


Tragedy struck Fort Hood today, sudden, violent. I write of the best damn mass casualty drill that could be imagined, made so by extraordinary efforts in the face of a mountain of awful human carnage. Dozens of ambulances from everywhere, helicopters in the sky, soldiers and Army medics and paramedics working the scene with efficiency and competence and cooperation among area hospitals that allowed remarkable and effective evacuation, triage, use of resources and superlative resuscitation. I couldn't help but note and admire their performance -- and be happy they are my colleagues and friends in many cases.


I was very concerned after the first wave that we would be overwhelmed, but the regional ambulance and hospital physician help and dispersal of cases to surrounding hospitals made it possible for our hospital to achieve great success along with the successes of those other groups and facilities -- pitching in to care for more than 30 wounded. During the peak, easily more than 100 physicians, nurses, techs, aids, clerks housekeepers, security and so many soldiers and civilian workers worked feverishly at our hospital. They made a difference and saved lives.


Last night I left that emergency department so proud of what I saw, so damn proud of the US Army and the people who kept their cool, worked hard, and saved lives the way their fellow soldiers and their grateful families would hope. Not a slacker to be seen today, a massive effort to save our precious people. Leadership and intelligent decision making that kept the work distributed. It was just they way they like to outline a mass casualty drill in the book -- eye on the ball, manage resources, triage properly, focus on priorities for patient survival. It was good because there were so many there who were battlefield experienced and able. They were ready, they performed. So many great specialists came down to help. Nurses galore, one big patient care machine, humming along.


I know these people, and could name them, put them up for accolades and such, but they would do this if no one was watching -- the true measure of greatness and virtue. My wife Patty, who was at home worrying and didn't know what was happening, was like those other wonderful spouses of soldiers who sacrifice, and worry, silently when all hell breaks loose. We shall not forget them and we grieve with the families who have lost their precious treasure, how horrific.


I wish I could be more eloquent describing what I do, why I love these people so much or why when I left the Department tonight I just had to write this in tribute to their effort today. I can say that what I do is as close as I'll get to working with angels and heroes as a physician. Today was the kind of terrible day that makes us hope there are angels and heroes, and be pleasantly surprised to be touched by one. Not one cross word, today, nothing but tenderness and concern and peddle to the metal effort. Once in a while an announcement would be made to keep the noise down, there were so many people doing so many things at once.


So I had to write tonight about the angels and heroes. I teach one of the ethics lectures for the residents and remind them that they define themselves as virtuous and extraordinary when they volunteer to put on the uniform. I saw the great green-suiters and their support group working today. I had to tell you, so you could know that in some parts of America and in some segments of our people, there is such wonderful goodness. If you had been there you would have cried for joy and for how lucky we are as a people. I started this essay at 8:30 and its 10:00--Taps just sounded for Fort Hood. RIP, departed heroes and heroines. Thanks for your effort today-you, the living heroes and heroines.


John Dale Dunn MD JD is an emergency physician, resident of Brownwood, TX. His opinions are his own and not attributable to the US Army or Department of Defense.
21 Comments on "Medical response to the Ft. Hood massacre"

[akv]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...dal_malik.html

[Warrior-Mentor]

Who wants to bet that those killed or injured in this attack are awarded the PURPLE HEART?

I will put money that they are not.

Here's why.

The criteria:

The Purple Heart was established by General George Washington, at Newburgh, New York, on 7 August 1782, during the Revolutionary War. It was reestablished by the President of the United States per War Department General Orders 3, 1932 and is currently awarded pursuant to Executive Order 11016, 25 April 1962, Executive Order 12464, 23 February 1984 and Public Law 98-525, 19 October 1984.

a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded

(1) In any action against an enemy of the United States.

(2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged.

(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

(4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces.

(5) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force.

(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or jointly by the Secretaries of the separate armed Services concerned if persons from more than one service are wounded in the attack.

(7) After 28 March 1973, as a result of military operations while serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.

I will argue they were in action against an enemy of the United States - he became that the minute he shot one of our Soldiers.

I will also argue that this was a terrorist attack - whether he was a "member" of al qaeda or not, he was following the orders of a fatwa issued by the last sitting caliph, which called for "individual jihad." (SEE ATTACHED)

Did those injured or killed earn the Purple Heart as established in the award criteria?

Absolutely.

Will they get the award?

Not a chance.

WHY?

Awarding the PURPLE HEART admits we have a bigger problem on our hands.

Now move along. Nothing to see here.

[Bordercop]

They deserve it, but they won't get it. Apologists for Islam won't let that happen. The MSM is still "looking for a motive" when the motive is as plain as day to me. Jihad.

[The Reaper]

Did they award the PH to those in the Pentagon on 9/11?

TR