Fort Hood Shooting

[Utah Bob]

Originally Posted by dirtyshirt

I vote for removing every follower of islam from the Armed services,at least while a wars in Islamic countries are ongoing. If I were President, I would send every muslim, or everyone claiming Islam as their religion to a muslim country,around their fellow,"peaceful" muslims. Then, I would put up a damn fence,and restrict entry-the "melting pot" is full-go somewhere else.

During WWII,Japaneese living in the U.S. were rounded up and "relocated" for the duration of the war,while Japaneese Americans served honorably in our forces-they were not of a religion of radicalism. Why can this not be done now,knowing this crap will just continue?

And PTSD is a conveniant excuse,and a catch-all.It used to be, in order to have "shell shock",or now,PTSD, you actually had to BE in combat. How can sitting in a air conditioned office eating 3 meals a day at the mess hall lead to PTSD?!?

You've got to be kidding. You want internment camps and mandatory deportation?
Yeah, that would solve everything.

[bandycpa]

Originally Posted by dirtyshirt

I vote for removing every follower of islam from the Armed services,at least while a wars in Islamic countries are ongoing.

You have a good point there. In 2003, a muslim U.S. soldier threw grenades into the tents of a military command center in Kuwait. Now the shooting at Ft Hood yesterday happens. IMVHO, the boundary lines here are clearly religious and not geographical. Muslims have been commanded to violently "defend" their faith and bring "peace" about through domination of others.

Wouldn't it make sense to remove the threat preemptively?


Bandy

[JAGO]

There were early indicators..... In today's P/C world I can just imagine that people had concerns and didn't bring them up the CofC - or the CofC knew and were afraid to act.

And to think, we paid for his education..

v/r
phil


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Nov 6, 7:33 AM EST


Troubling portrait emerges of Fort Hood suspect

By BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE
Associated Press Writer



WASHINGTON (AP) -- His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.

There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive. But details of his life and mindset, emerging from official sources and personal acquaintances, are troubling.

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.

Grieger said privacy laws prevented him from going into details but noted that the problems had to do with Hasan's interactions with patients. He recalled Hasan as a "mostly very quiet" person who never spoke ill of the military or his country.

"He swore an oath of loyalty to the military," Grieger said. "I didn't hear anything contrary to those oaths."

But, more recently, federal agents grew suspicious.

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.

In an interview with The Washington Post, Hasan's aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Va., said he had been harassed about being a Muslim in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and he wanted out of the Army.

"Some people can take it and some people cannot," she said. "He had listened to all of that and he wanted out of the military."

She said he had sought a discharge from the military for several years, and even offered to repay the cost of his medical training.

A spokesman for the Army, Lt. Col. George Wright, told the Post he could not confirm that Hasan had sought a discharge.

Noel Hasan said her nephew "did not make many friends" and would say "they military was his life."

A cousin, Nader Hasan, told The New York Times that after counseling soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with post-traumatic stress disorder, Hasan knew war firsthand.

"He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy," Nader Hasan said. "He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there."

Federal law-enforcement agents ordered an evacuation of the apartment complex where Hasan lived in Killeen, Texas, Thursday night and conducted a search of his home, said Hilary Shine, director of public information for the city. She didn't say what was found during the search.

Officials said earlier that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of his computer.

Retired Army Col. Terry Lee, who said he worked with Hasan, told Fox News that Hasan had hoped President Barack Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Lee said Hasan got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars, and had tried hard to prevent his pending deployment.

Hasan attended prayers regularly when he lived outside Washington, often in his Army uniform, said Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md. He said Hasan was a lifelong Muslim.

"I got the impression that he was a committed soldier," Khan said. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan's desire for a wife.

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.

"I don't know why he listed Palestinian," Khan said, "He was not born in Palestine."

Nothing stood out about Hasan as radical or extremist, Khan said.

"We hardly ever got to discussing politics," Khan said. "Mostly we were discussing religious matters, nothing too controversial, nothing like an extremist."

Hasan earned his rank of major in April 2008, according to a July 2008 Army Times article.

He served eight years as an enlisted soldier. He also served in the ROTC as an undergraduate at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg. He received a bachelor's degree in biochemistry there in 1997.

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Associated Press writers Lara Jakes, Pam Hess, Lolita C. Baldor and Brett Zongker in Washington and Alicia Chang in Los Angeles contributed to this report

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by dirtyshirt

I vote for removing every follower of islam from the Armed services,at least while a wars in Islamic countries are ongoing. If I were President, I would send every muslim, or everyone claiming Islam as their religion to a muslim country,around their fellow,"peaceful" muslims. Then, I would put up a damn fence,and restrict entry-the "melting pot" is full-go somewhere else.

During WWII,Japaneese living in the U.S. were rounded up and "relocated" for the duration of the war,while Japaneese Americans served honorably in our forces-they were not of a religion of radicalism. Why can this not be done now,knowing this crap will just continue?

And PTSD is a conveniant excuse,and a catch-all.It used to be, in order to have "shell shock",or now,PTSD, you actually had to BE in combat. How can sitting in a air conditioned office eating 3 meals a day at the mess hall lead to PTSD?!?

While I do tend to think that the Religion of Peace and American culture are a OIl and Water mix....You can't incarcerate people because of a religion or ethnic background, that is no different than Nazi Germany.

But based on the news reports, this person may have been investigated for suspect behavior....supposedly internet posts about suicide bombers and the like. That would be ample reason in my mind to send this guy packing.

I am betting if the powers to be knew a Caucasian Soldier visited a White Supremacist website's and praised killing other ethnic blends they'd be gone in a heartbeat........and there discussion would be of White Radicals in the Military, not PTSD.

The problem has more to do CAIR, ACLU, SPLC, Lawsuits and the warm fuzzy feeling some get from being PC.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by JAGO

There were early indicators..... In today's P/C world I can just imagine that people had concerns and didn't bring them up the CofC - or the CofC knew and were afraid to act. A

nd to think, we paid for his education..

v/r
phil


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Nov 6, 7:33 AM EST


Troubling portrait emerges of Fort Hood suspect

By BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE
Associated Press Writer

The left is going to paint this a$$-ho as a one-off psycho with PTSD and completely bury that notion that he is a Jihadist Terrorist.

What's worse,, his CoC is going to help them,, so they can cover-up their utter failure to boot his a$$ long ago..

And POTUS will TelePrompter the message to the World,, after giving the MOH to Oprah...

[Costa]

And now come the terrorist theories....

Eye witnesses are saying they heard the Major praise Allah before he fired rounds.
If someone heard this guy proclaim Bismilah.... it'll be the nail in the coffin.

On a side note, because we are at war with an Islamic country, wouldn't that make Muslims conscientious objectors and not able to serve anyway?

[JAGO]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

The left is going to paint this a$$-ho as a one-off psycho with PTSD and completely bury that notion that he is a Jihadist Terrorist.

What's worse,, his CoC is going to help them,, so they can cover-up their utter failure to boot his a$$ long ago..

And POTUS will TelePrompter the message to the World,, after giving the MOH to Oprah...

So sad and very true. We've all seen what the CofC really cares about, their careers.

Medals for everybody and then let's go home.

v/r
phil

[Utah Bob]

Looks like there were red flags popping up all over. The ball was dropped. Once a commissioned officer starts posting stuff like that on the internet, he should be toast.

[lksteve]

Originally Posted by Costa

On a side note, because we are at war with an Islamic country, wouldn't that make Muslims conscientious objectors and not able to serve anyway?

One has to declare themselves conscientious objectors...it is not a status that is imposed.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by dirtyshirt

I vote for removing every follower of islam from the Armed services,at least while a wars in Islamic countries are ongoing. If I were President, I would send every muslim, or everyone claiming Islam as their religion to a muslim country,around their fellow,"peaceful" muslims. Then, I would put up a damn fence,and restrict entry-the "melting pot" is full-go somewhere else.

During WWII,Japaneese living in the U.S. were rounded up and "relocated" for the duration of the war,while Japaneese Americans served honorably in our forces-they were not of a religion of radicalism. Why can this not be done now,knowing this crap will just continue?

And PTSD is a conveniant excuse,and a catch-all.It used to be, in order to have "shell shock",or now,PTSD, you actually had to BE in combat. How can sitting in a air conditioned office eating 3 meals a day at the mess hall lead to PTSD?!?

While I do tend to think that the Religion of Peace and American culture are a OIl and Water mix....You can't incarcerate people because of a religion or ethnic background, that is no different than Nazi Germany.

But based on the news reports, this person may have been investigated for suspect behavior....supposedly internet posts about suicide bombers and the like. That would be ample reason in my mind to send this guy packing.

I am betting if the powers to be knew a Caucasian Soldier visited a White Supremacist website's and praised killing other ethnic blends they'd be gone in a heartbeat........and there discussion would be of White Radicals in the Military, not PTSD.

The problem has more to do CAIR, ACLU, SPLC, Lawsuits and the warm fuzzy feeling some get from being PC.

[bandycpa]

Originally Posted by Paslode

While I do tend to think that the Religion of Peace and American culture are a OIl and Water mix....You can't incarcerate people because of a religion or ethnic background, that is no different than Nazi Germany.

But wouldn't it be prudent to at least remove them from service in the U.S. military? I'm not saying to put them in camps, but I am saying that removing them from service would take them away from the inner workings of our military, easier access to military training, and an opportunity to do things like what happened in Ft Hood yesterday and Kuwait in 2003.


Bandy

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by bandycpa

But wouldn't it be prudent to at least remove them from service in the U.S. military? I'm not saying to put them in camps, but I am saying that removing them from service would take them away from the inner workings of our military, easier access to military training, and an opportunity to do things like what happened in Ft Hood yesterday and Kuwait in 2003.


Bandy

If it were up to me, we'd handle it like Team America World Police.

From my personal experiences I have yet to have 'any' Muslim denounce the Jihadis.....NOT ONE! They just clam up, beat around the bush or tell me I just don't understand

If I had my way we would seriously consider giving most of them a one way ticket back to where they originated from. But that isn't the correct thing to do.

The first step, if any of them civilian or whatever, show 'any' signs of sympathizing or promoting JiHad, not trial, no jury, you send them packing back to their preferred sandbox or Balkan State of choice. You need a public foot bath or a special prayer room? Go home for lunch, if that doesn't suffice here's your one way ticket to your home of mud where you can have it your way.

If it continues and the problem grows you don't allow them in the Military and you don't allow any Visa's.



My prejudiced rant/.02.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Costa

......On a side note, because we are at war with an Islamic country, wouldn't that make Muslims conscientious objectors and not able to serve anyway?

So when we were fighting Germany and Italy Christians could sit it out?

So if we fight a war in Africa Blacks in the Military could sit it out?

[Loadsmasher]

I want to see the OER or the reprimand that he received from Walter Reed. If his convictions lead him to shoot and kill fellow soldiers going against years of training as a Soldier and his oath as a physician, what kind of therapy was he administering? I'll restate that, if he was willing to physically harm Soldiers in a blindingly public display, what emotional and psychological harm was he willing to inflict behind closed doors?

Early reports show that he was disciplined for his interaction with patients and was an outspoken critic of the wars. How did that affect his treatment of Soldiers returning from those wars?

He spent 8 years enlisted, was an ROTC cadet and then accepted a commision. He has been described as a life long Muslim. How many Soldiers in that time has he poisoned with his hatred?


On a somewhat related note, if your unit sends you to a school that's a few months long on a different post and you get a new cell phone number, TELL YOUR F**KING SUPERVISOR. That is all.

[Soak60]

Originally Posted by dirtyshirt

I vote for removing every follower of islam from the Armed services,at least while a wars in Islamic countries are ongoing. If I were President, I would send every muslim, or everyone claiming Islam as their religion to a muslim country,around their fellow,"peaceful" muslims. Then, I would put up a damn fence,and restrict entry-the "melting pot" is full-go somewhere else.

During WWII,Japaneese living in the U.S. were rounded up and "relocated" for the duration of the war,while Japaneese Americans served honorably in our forces-they were not of a religion of radicalism. Why can this not be done now,knowing this crap will just continue?

And PTSD is a conveniant excuse,and a catch-all.It used to be, in order to have "shell shock",or now,PTSD, you actually had to BE in combat. How can sitting in a air conditioned office eating 3 meals a day at the mess hall lead to PTSD?!?

This is both unrealistic in our current society, and wrong in any case. What needs to happen is people need to become better informed about Islam. This is going to happen very slowly unless mainstream media outlets begin doing actual reporting on what the "religion of peace" really is.

There are plenty of Muslims in the USA who only want to be left alone to their own subculture, but this cannot be allowed. Look at Europe for an example of what could occur, what IS happening right now with the US. Our two best defenses are to heighten public awareness, and to make an attempt to integrate immigrants into OUR society, and not pander to theirs.

Unfortunately, as long as the MSM continues spouting garbage, this will be much harder than it needs to be.