Charlie Kirk Assassinated

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by 7624U

I am making the assumption he was using standard hunting ammunition off the store shelf.

They had released a pic of one of the unfired rounds to show the whacked-out writing on the case. Looked like pretty standard lead-tipped spire-point to me. The scattered Kommentariat had made some "oooh-ahhh' comments over the bluish cast to the tip but I think it was just poor lighting of the photo.

[bubba]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'm not a conspiracy man. So a person who has some experience shooting, could shoot a sitting man in the neck at 200 ? yards? Also down slope angle under a cover from the tent.

Ok….. so….. without being to wonky about long-range-marksmanship I’ll see if I can help.

First, what is the inherent accuracy of his rifle-ammo combination? This is “how big of a spread” expected mechanically. Imagine locking the rifle into an unmovable rest and shooting 10 rounds. What is that spread at 100 meters. Typically this is expressed in MOA which is an angular measurement. For reference, 1 MOA at 100m is approximately 1 inch. At 200m approximately 2 inches. Etc.

My educated guess would be this rifle / ammo combo is between 3 and 4 MOA meaning at 200m it’s roughly a 6-8 inches group (the bullet could land anywhere inside that circle).

Second, what is the capability of the shooter? Factors like shooter ability / training (unknown), shooting position (prone is good but no bipod is bad), and his general understanding of ballistics.

With a simple YouTube search his ballistics understanding could be better than you’d think. Additional factors like the psychology of actually shooting at another human being with the understanding that you have to run, fast, and from the police are also hard to account for, but generally diminish accuracy of the shot.

Third, other environmental factors like wind, density altitude (how thick the air is), slope (angle the shot was taken above / below), and the like?

At 200m these variables make up less than an estimated 0.5 MOA combined with that rifle and ammo combo. So, those factors are not a big deal.

Overall, I’d say there was a bit of luck involved (only that the guy got a lucky shot, not that Mr Kirk was the target), but in reality , a 200m shot with a 30-06 is a chip-shot at best. Hell, I don’t even think he’d have to dial / hold DOPE on the scope?

For reference, the US Army takes “never-evers’ and has them shooting 300m with irons in less than 2 weeks.

This whole thing is a tragedy, but I’m glad to see that maybe the aMErican public is starting to realize that the extreme left is evil and needs to be dealt with.

[1stindoor]

I said from the first reporting that I doubt the shooter was aiming for the neck. It was either a fractured round, or a poor shot that was aimed at the heart or head.

[Box]

Originally Posted by 1stindoor

I said from the first reporting that I doubt the shooter was aiming for the neck. It was either a fractured round, or a poor shot that was aimed at the heart or head.

Agreed - an inexperienced marksman shooting at a relatively high angle from 200 yards, aiming for the heart, using a 4 MOA gun and what is most likely "Big Box Store" ammo like Core-Lokts, Power Points, or Power Shoks would have impacted a few inches higher that the actual aiming point. Point of aim center mass (most likely) without adjusting for the angle would have resulted in rounds impacting a little high - Because "angles"

[Roguish Lawyer]

My view is that leftist extremism is far more prevalent than anyone realizes. The domestic madrassas have been churning out believers for decades. These people are in control of not only the universities, but also the rest of the schools, the media, Hollywood, and a very large swath of corporate America. It's not just young kids who have been radicalized.

[bblhead672]

Based upon the released videos, the rifle has to be some kind of breakdown model. Alleged shooter not seen taking a rifle onto the university nor seen running away with a "towel wrapped rifle", just a backpack.

[PRB]

The FBI reported a screwdriver was found on the roof. An M 98 Mauser sporter is held together by 2 screws...one thru the top of the receiver rear and thru the wrist to the rear trigger guard and one forward up the mag base plate to the forward receiver.
Then you have a short stock and the action that can be wrapped in a towel or placed in a backpack.

[GratefulCitizen]

The location of his perch was shown on the news.
Google earth measures it to be 155-160 meters.

The shooter grew up shooting and hunting.
This area has a strong gun culture, so he probably knew how so shoot reasonably well.

There is very little ground cover, and even in the forests, you can see quite a distance.
Not a long shot for someone growing up in this area.

Also, my source indicated that the rifle was given to him by his grandfather when he was a minor (news sources simply state it was “given” to him).
If that was the case, he was already familiar with the weapon system.

Probably not a difficult shot.

In separate news, the driver I shuttle to is out of St George.
His daughter lives near the shooter.

Supposedly, people in the area had to evacuate due to a bomb risk when the apartment was being searched.

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by PRB

The FBI reported a screwdriver was found on the roof. An M 98 Mauser sporter is held together by 2 screws...one thru the top of the receiver rear and thru the wrist to the rear trigger guard and one forward up the mag base plate to the forward receiver.
Then you have a short stock and the action that can be wrapped in a towel or placed in a backpack.

Thanks! Great information.

[Airbornelawyer]

Originally Posted by abc_123

Ubiquitous .30-06 hunting rifle. Plenty of places to.shoot on Utah. Great father son activity. Probably living a secret life struggling with being gay but further fukked up with his AP deep into the tranny thing. Ripe for radicalization online and not ever having had a reality check about actions and consequences.

This reminds me of one of the robbers on whom the movie "Dog Day Afternoon" was based. Guy who grew up Catholic and didn't want to admit to himself or his family/community that he was gay, so he tried to rob the bank to get the money for sex-change surgery for his boyfriend.

[GratefulCitizen]

The shooter was methodical.

He changed clothes.
He (apparently) avoided most of the security cameras.
His infil/exfil routes seem well prepared (and may have been rehearsed).
The towel was probably a ground cloth to prevent the muzzle blast from kicking up dust and revealing his position.

For a smart kid digging on the internet, it’s plausible that he could’ve figured out all these things on his own.
But there’s something that doesn’t fit.

His application of the KISS principle (keep it simple, stupid) seems awfully efficient for an inexperienced 22 year old.
If he were digging up the “how to”, it doesn’t make sense to have so few, but effective, things done right, but nothing extra.

It makes more sense that he would’ve tried to be overly clever.
It’s the things that weren’t done that don’t make sense.

I don’t train 22 year olds, but I suspect many here do.
In the opinion of the professionals, do inexperienced 22 year olds naturally know how to include critical components, yet keep plans simple?

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

In the opinion of the professionals, do inexperienced 22 year olds naturally know how to include critical components, yet keep plans simple?

That's a great question. I have an opinion but I'll hold off for the folks whose trade is making battalions in the boonies.

[GratefulCitizen]

Text messages released in charging documents.
It’s confirmed that the rifle originally belonged to the shooter’s grandpa.
It’s confirmed that the neighbor was law enforcement.


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