03-17-2005, 20:49
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A good friend of mine is the OP guy for 2-7 Cav and we got some really good SITREP's from him while they were in country. For those who know McDude from other places it is his BIL.
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03-17-2005, 21:01
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I do not think that was his reference to the FCS. It is obvious to me that he meant the electrical power generation and distribution system.
You are driving a truck hauling 60,000 pounds of JP-4. Do you want air cover that can shoot back at BGs, or a UAV that can relay streaming video of you being hit with an RPG and rolling out of the truck like Johnny Storm, the Human Torch?
I think UAVs have a purpose. Escorting convoys in Indian country is not one of them.
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Respectfully, I took his comment to mean that he didn't want an RF network with 20' antenna's on the top of the tanks/HMMV's. The extra baggage caused problems.
With respect to air support communication, the 4th ID had problems receiving information. They were moving so fast they outran transmission speeds. For example, " at Objective Peach, Lt. Col. Ernest Rock Marcone, a battalion commander with the 69th Armor of the Third Infantry Division, was almost devoid of information about Iraqi strength or position.....There is zero information getting to me. Someone may have known above me, but the information didnt get to me on the ground. Marcones men were ambushed repeatedly on the approach to the bridge".
I was curious about your opinion,
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03-17-2005, 21:17
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I think you are reading too much into his statement.
His comments about the grid were exactly that, comments about the HN infrastructure, and nothing more.
No one but you has commented on this thread about UAV commo support. The CG certainly did not mention it. I have been in some bad spots and bad commo is part of the fog of war. The relays may help with some of it, but I will trade you ten commo shots for a rocket pod hovering in overwatch. All of the toys foster an overreliance and are prone to failure with Murphy waiting in the wings.
Frankly, for all of the hoopla and money spent, I do not see FCS and technology as the key to this war, or the ones in that region that are going to follow. This is get down and get dirty grass roots HUMINT and Infantry work.
Just my .02, based on my limited experience.
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03-17-2005, 21:28
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Here's something worth reading !! The UAV definitely has it's place, but in a Passive Role not in a Dynamic (you Will Die if it fails) Mode !!
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1214542.html
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03-17-2005, 21:51
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I have to agree with TR once again! I would perfer a Apache, Snake or a gunship of some type over some robot. Hey! M ay be a C-130 Specter would be nice too! "Puff the magic dragon." 
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03-17-2005, 22:10
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I have to agree with TR once again! I would perfer a Apache, Snake or a gunship of some type over some robot. Hey! M ay be a C-130 Specter would be nice too! "Puff the magic dragon." |
Suggest that you re-read what I said. When used in a Passive Mode i.e. Recon, they have proven Extremely Valuable !!! The Guns over your Head can NEVER be replaced.
Read the article. You will learn something !!!
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03-17-2005, 22:10
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I think you are reading too much into his statement.
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Maybe - but I see items 2, 5, 11 and 12 related to FCS. I genuinely believed my questions pertained to the post.
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Thanks. However, based on what little I know, it appears to me that UAV's and other technology are expected to take on more dynamic roles.
My .02
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03-17-2005, 22:21
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Maybe - but I see items 2, 5, 11 and 12 related to FCS. I genuinely believed my questions pertained to the post.
Thanks. However, based on what little I know, it appears to me that UAV's and other technology is expected to take on more dynamic roles.
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I don't know what you are reading, to find all of the FCS matters. I see 2., survivability and firepower of the Abrams MBT, 5., a comment on the danger of the dilapidated HN electric grid, 11. Army Aviation providing helicopter air cover security for ground convoys, 12., his fight for cash and the ability of the American Army NCOs.
If anything, his comments are an argument against the resources going into the FCS.
UAVs in more dynamic roles? Right....
Let me know when the UAVs can haul a M230A1 30 mm chain cannon (up to 1,200 rds), 2 stub wings with 4 hardpoints and 2 wingtip rails, AIM-9 Sidewinder, AIM-92 Stinger, 8 AGM-114 Hellfire, AGM-122 Sidearm, or TOWs, 70 mm rocket pods, and 127 mm rockets.
Till then, I'll stick with the armed RW aircraft with my buddies flying it.
Do you have a lot of experience reading AARs and gleaning specified and implied tasks?
TR
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03-17-2005, 22:27
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I would like AH-64 escort through the traffic in this city and my hometown. That would RULE! LMAO
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03-17-2005, 22:32
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Thanks. However, based on what little I know, it appears to me that UAV's and other technology are expected to take on more dynamic roles.
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How little you know is in Direct Proportion to how much Aerial Artillery you have brought down from the Heavens in and around your OWN POSITION !!!!
Believe me, when you are without commo, under attack, and the VERY FOG of War has totally engulfed your ass, you do not want to have to COUNT on some video-junky, who's just trying to get to the end of his shift, so's he can go and play "Real Video" games!!! I've directed fire with HAND SIGNALS and Panels to the men in the air, that were as much in the fight as I was, not setting in an air-conditioned trailer 1/2 way around the World.
Reality needs to be WELL grounded here !!!!
All RPV's have their place, but for now, they are in their Infancy on the Battlefield !!!
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03-17-2005, 22:36
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Do you have a lot of experience reading AARs and gleaning specified and implied tasks?
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No, but I have been reading the senate hearings and any MOUT documents I can find.
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03-17-2005, 22:49
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No, but I have been reading the senate hearings and any MOUT documents I can find.
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This was your response to TR, how about responding to this:
"How little you know is in Direct Proportion to how much Aerial Artillery you have brought down from the Heavens in and around your OWN POSITION !!!!"
Along with the remainder of my post ??? You have ZERO basis for your assumptions, except for hearsay and no experience !!
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03-17-2005, 22:59
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You have ZERO basis for your assumptions, except for hearsay and no experience !!
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03-17-2005, 23:01
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No, but I have been reading the senate hearings and any MOUT documents I can find.
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Wow!!
Impressive creds! Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express recently as well?
g, I just finished eight years of working successfully directly for General Officers at and above the 1st Cav CG's pay grade, count a couple as close personal friends, have 25 years serving in this man's Army, a Masters in Military Arts and Science (History concentration) and not to toot my own horn, but I think I have a pretty good perspective of what they mean when they speak at functions like this.
There are topics on this board that I know very little about, and would yield to you on telecommunications, but it is a bit annoying at this stage of my career to have to argue transformation, FCS, and GO intent with a rank amateur.
Please reread all of the above posts, including the CG's comments and consider what you are getting into before you dig your hole here any deeper.
You are being accorded significant latitude here because of your history. Newbies, try this at your own risk.
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03-17-2005, 23:06
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PM to your Heart's content. I'm starting to feel as if I'm having a Duel with an unarmed opponent !!!!
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