Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by bblhead672

Imagine the boom in the suppressor industry if you could walk into a store and buy one without any paperwork.

Oh be quiet my ringing ears!

[doctom54]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Oh be quiet my ringing ears!

[GratefulCitizen]

Police officers sued for depriving 2nd Amendment rights, federal judge allows case to move forward:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...91932.13.0.pdf

YouTuber summation:
https://youtu.be/3IG4b_qfYaw?si=w-g9qWttUp8_2FGv

This is significant.
If individual LEOs can be sued for violating 2nd Amendment rights, they will likely err on the side of self-interest.

This will make it much more difficult to impose draconian anti-gun policies.

[Badger52]

Excellent.

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

Police officers sued for depriving 2nd Amendment rights, federal judge allows case to move forward:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...91932.13.0.pdf

YouTuber summation:
https://youtu.be/3IG4b_qfYaw?si=w-g9qWttUp8_2FGv

This is significant.
If individual LEOs can be sued for violating 2nd Amendment rights, they will likely err on the side of self-interest.

This will make it much more difficult to impose draconian anti-gun policies.

"Qualified immunity" needs to go away for all government employees. Violate citizens' rights, pay the price.

[Badger52]

Source over at Breitbart
Decision is hyperlinked below.

A U.S. District Judge ruled Friday that Illinois’ ban prohibiting concealed carry for self-defense on public transportation violates the Second Amendment.

The judge, Ian D. Johnston, issued his opinion in Schoenthal v. Raoul.

The plaintiffs in the case, Benjamin Schoenthal, Mark Wroblewski, Joseph Vesel, and Douglas Winston, all claimed the ban violated the Second Amendment.

Schoenthal, Wrogblewski, Vesel, and Winston’s case was supported by the Second Amendment Foundation and the Firearms Policy Coalition.

Judge Johnston noted:

In Illinois, openly carrying firearms is unlawful. Under the Firearm Concealed Carry Act, an individual with a concealed-carry license may generally carry a concealed handgun in public….This general permission, however, does not extend to a list of prohibited areas, including public transportation.

He then pointed to Bruen (2022), noting that it set forward a framework by which gun controls must be analyzed and tested.

Johnston pointed to opinions by Kimberly Foxx, State’s Attorney of Cook County, who argued in support of the ban. He then noted that “Finally, and decisively, whatever is true elsewhere in the law, Ms. Foxx’s proposed framework contradicts Bruen, which rejects the relevance of place to the threshold question of whether certain conduct is covered by the Second Amendment.”

He ultimately ruled that “the Firearm Concealed Carry Act’s ban on carrying concealed firearms on public transportation, as defined in the statute…violates the Second Amendment,” as applied to the plaintiffs.

Second Amendment Foundation founder and executive vice president Alan Gottlieb commented on the ruling, calling it a “significant victory” in which “the court recognized Cook County Attorney Foxx’s argument that the ban was legal because Illinois is acting as a property owner was ‘breathtaking, jaw dropping and eyepopping,’ and that wasn’t a compliment. It demonstrates how far government will reach in an attempt to justify its effort to restrict Second Amendment rights.”

IMO appeal is certain. Because Illinois.

[MR2]

Me either...

[bubba]

Originally Posted by MR2

Me either...

Standards are AweSoME. So AweSoME we should have at least 2. Just think, TWICE the AweSoME!

[tom kelly]

Originally Posted by MR2

Me either...

Democrat Communists use this to their advantage.

[Badger52]

From Breitbart; the case is hyperlinked in the quote below

On Friday, a three-judge panel from the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that California cannot ban concealed carry in hospitals.

The case, Wolford v. Lopez, centers on “sensitive places” bans on concealed carry which exist in Hawaii and California.

In a unanimous ruling, the three judges said bans could be “enforced in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol and in parks, and that California can enforce bans in casinos, libraries, zoos, stadiums and museums,” according to Reuters. However, the three judges also ruled against Hawaii’s ban on concealed carry in banks “or adjacent parking lots” and against California’s ban on concealed carry in hospitals, churches, and public transit.

What a discussion it must be as they make their checklist of approved places.

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by Badger52

From Breitbart; the case is hyperlinked in the quote below



What a discussion it must be as they make their checklist of approved places.

This is going to be a messy patchwork of prohibited places differing based upon state and local laws, further confused by conflicting circuit courts.
SCOTUS will ultimately have to set down a clear standard.

Something like: courts, jails, legislative assemblies, and polling places…the end.

[doctom54]

Elon Musk once again comes out in support of the 2nd Admentment
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/elo...-disarm-people

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by doctom54

Elon Musk once again comes out in support of the 2nd Admentment
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/elo...-disarm-people

Elon can see the writing on the wall. Governments are plotting against him to take down X since he refuses to bend to their will. The only thing standing between communist rule and freedom is the 2nd.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by bblhead672

Elon can see the writing on the wall. Governments are plotting against him to take down X since he refuses to bend to their will. The only thing standing between communist rule and freedom is the 2nd.

People have been known to vote themselves into shackles because "I wanted to be part of something historic."

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by Badger52

People have been known to vote themselves into shackles because "I wanted to be part of something historic."

People have been known to vote themselves BACK into shackles, albeit a different kind, by voting for the party who offers the most continuous government freebies.