12-17-2020, 07:28
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Originally Posted by 1stindoor
No more callers please, we have a winner.
It was designed to crush the economy of the leader of the country that refused to get with the program.
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+1 . All infringements are exercises in control tolerance, and destruction of the kulak class. It's not get on board or leave. It's get on board or get crushed into bio-fuel. When things magically return to the new normal, all you air-travellers had better have the modern equivalent of your yellow shot record* in hand, otherwise your social credit score gets decremented.
* I wonder how many remember having that being nearly as important as an ID card... do they still do that?
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12-17-2020, 09:55
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I’ve about had it with this little bull frog troll, Fauci.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...hurt-pandemic/
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12-17-2020, 10:47
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The guy and that ilk are pure evil! Before this catastrophe I saw a video clip of him fist bumping Debbie Wasserman which I thought was revealing.
The attached image was reportedly taken in 2015 at the Wuhan bio warfare lab...
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12-17-2020, 10:53
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Originally Posted by Golf1echo
The guy and that ilk are pure evil! Before this catastrophe I saw a video clip of him fist bumping Debbie Wasserman which I thought was revealing.
The attached image was reportedly taken in 2015 at the Wuhan bio warfare lab...
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The original image pops up in a 2014 blog post made by Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health. The photo was taken when then-President Obama visited NIH – in Maryland, not Wuhan – to learn about its progress with Ebola research.
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12-17-2020, 10:58
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I pray every day this gets exposed and every small business owner and private person damaged by this gets to personally sue the shit out of him, China anyone else up to and including the UN/WHO and everything they’ve ever touched. Including damages for those who died of “COVID” death.
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12-17-2020, 11:00
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Originally Posted by doctom54
The original image pops up in a 2014 blog post made by Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health. The photo was taken when then-President Obama visited NIH – in Maryland, not Wuhan – to learn about its progress with Ebola research.
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Important to know the truth, thank you Doc.
I’d be interested on your take about this link, I posted it earlier, scary stuff but it would explain a lot of what’s going on and the players.
https://rumble.com/vbq6jx-dr.-anthon...red-by-yo.html
There is this link as well https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZUZ1zkxC4GP1/
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12-18-2020, 06:47
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Thank you for your prayers
Thanks to everyone for your kind words and prayers. It was a rough week but we were able to get through it with strength from family and friends and we had Mom’s funeral on Wednesday. Now the healing begins as we are left with the good memories. Thank and God Bless all of you.
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12-18-2020, 07:34
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Originally Posted by Swoop
Thanks to everyone for your kind words and prayers. It was a rough week but we were able to get through it with strength from family and friends and we had Mom’s funeral on Wednesday. Now the healing begins as we are left with the good memories. Thank and God Bless all of you.
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Glad to hear that things are starting to progress. I offer the best of wishes for you and your family.
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12-18-2020, 09:42
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https://www.*******.com/watch?v=YgOA...HE6rco3u7hUljY
I did some of the early ADME (Absorption, Distribution, Metabolism, Excretion) studies for Ivermectin. I had not thought of Ivermectin as a prophylactic for COVID-19. After listening to Dr. Kory, I think it should be formally evaluated. Unfortunately, this will get no traction just like Hydroxychloroquine. Why??? We can’t have low-cost repurposed drugs undermine the invested capital in big PhRMA now can we?
Note that Dr. Kory took great offense at Sen Gary Peter’s (D-MI) characterization of him as a politician. Typical liberal attempt to discredit a witness. I am surprised Sen Peters didn’t call him a racist too.
The Left is going out of its way to destroy small businesses and the middle class through this pandemic. Can't let a good crisis go to waste can we? Just further evidence of the destruction of our society from within! All cross-thread points greatly appreciated.
Thanks to Brother Old Dog New Trick for bringing this to my attention.
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12-18-2020, 12:22
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Swoop, continued prayers for you & your Family. They don't stop because some measure of progress appears. In out thoughts.
Brazilians are making Kim Jong-Un jealous...
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The Brazilian newspaper O Globo explained that the STF declared only “indirect” attempts to force individuals to take a vaccine against their will are legal, such as fines or banning individuals from certain social services. The federal government, state governments, and municipalities, the ruling elaborated, are the bodies with the power to impose these restrictions and said restrictions must abide by scientific rationales.
“Selfishness is not compatible with democracy,” Justice Cármen Lúcia asserted in the ruling. “The Constitution does not guarantee a person the freedom to be sovereignly selfish. It is the duty of the State, through public policies, to reduce risks of diseases and other ailments, adopting the necessary measures to protect everyone from the contamination of a dangerous virus.”
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12-18-2020, 12:39
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December 18, 2020
AMA Lied – How Many Died?
By Brian C. Joondeph, M.D.
The American Medical Association has been adamantly against hydroxychloroquine as a therapeutic for COVID for the past year. Just a few days before the presidential election they reversed course, reversing their opposition. Did they suddenly realize HCQ might have benefit in certain patient groups or were they lying for the past year? How many individuals died as a result of being denied potential lifesaving treatment?
The AMA is synonymous with organized medicine, despite myriad specialty societies that may better represent the needs of its member physicians. In fact, only 12 percent of practicing physicians belong to the AMA due to concerns that the AMA is more interested in its own finances and politics than the concerns of doctors.
When the AMA talks, media and the public listen, due to their perceived clout. Last spring, the AMA issued a statement critical of hydroxychloroquine as it was being used off-label in the treatment of COVID, not FDA-approved for this purpose with supposed “dangerous side effects.”
Quietly at the end of October, the AMA issued a new statement, conveniently overlooked by the media, giving the green light to doctors prescribing HCQ to their COVID patients.
RESOLVED, that our American Medical Association rescind its statement calling for physicians to stop prescribing hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine until sufficient evidence becomes available to conclusively illustrate that the harm associated with use outweighs benefit early in the disease course.
An updated statement clarifying our support for a physician’s ability to prescribe an FDA-approved medication for off label use, if it is in her/his best clinical judgement, with specific reference to the use of hydroxychloroquine and combination therapies for the treatment of the earliest stage of COVID-19.
What changed since last spring? How many COVID deaths could have been prevented if doctors, using their professional and clinical judgement, could have prescribed HCQ without fear of ostracization or loss of their jobs?
HCQ has been around since the 1950s, approved as a malarial preventative and for treatment of lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. It is relatively safe, except for the one in a thousand with a rare cardiac arrhythmia, easily identified by a pretreatment EKG. In many African countries, HCQ is available without a prescription for malaria prevention.
The problem arose when President Trump touted HCQ as a “potential therapeutic,” based on early reports of doctors prescribing it with good results. He did not tell anyone to take it but held it out as hope to a country suffering under a pandemic with lockdowns, quarantines, hospitalizations, and deaths.
Trump also took HCQ himself, prescribed by the White House medical team. If Trump claimed drinking water was healthy, the media and medical establishment would have denounced it, citing cases of people dying from drinking too much water.
A perfect example was Fox News crank Neil Cavuto screaming how hydroxy “will kill you.” This was based on a flawed VA study finding no benefit for HCQ in a severely ill cohort of patients, and a higher death rate among those receiving HCQ. This was a retrospective study which did not address the possibility that HCQ was given to sicker patients, who were more likely to die anyway.
Prestigious medical journals, Lancet and New England Journal, retracted published studies raising alarms about HCQ due to bogus study data. It seemed there was a jihad against HCQ from the medical establishment, supported by the media, simply because the Orange Man suggested it.
Was the concern solely over off-label use of drugs? In my world, Avastin has been successfully used off-label for 15 years for the treatment of macular degeneration and diabetic retinopathy, despite FDA approval only for cancer and a black box warning about gastrointestinal perforation, wound healing, and hemorrhage.
In relative terms, HCQ is a far safer drug compared to Avastin. Ketamine is another old drug similar to HCQ, FDA-approved in 1970 as a general anesthetic. Yet it is increasingly being used off-label to treat severe depression, anxiety, and PTSD. As a general anesthetic, it certainly can kill you if used improperly, but used under the considered judgment of a physician, it can literally save lives. Neil Cavuto hasn’t yet offered his expert medical opinion on ketamine.
There have been 187 hydroxy studies, 122 of which were peer-reviewed. 100 percent of these studies reported positive effects for early treatment of COVID, meaning, for those not yet in the hospital, and certainly not on a ventilator. These studies were performed and reported this year, while the AMA stayed mum, standing by their admonition against HCQ, until their “oh by the way” report at the end of October.
The AMA’s about-face is curious in terms of timing. They could have tempered their initial remarks last summer, when the “America’s Frontline Doctors” group was promoting HCQ, azithromycin, and zinc as an effective early treatment for COVID. All three components of their cocktail were off label. In fact, at the time there was no approved therapeutic for COVID and many people could have been treated earlier, potentially keeping them out of the hospital or worse.
Perfect is the enemy of good. Prospective randomized clinical trials would have been great, but they take time. Why not let physicians use their “best clinical judgment” as the recent AMA statement recommends?
Instead, the AMA waited until Oct. 30 to announce a more reasoned position, not coincidently just a few days before the presidential election. Democrats and the media blamed Trump for every COVID illness and death, accusing Trump of “misleading” on HCQ, as a prominent campaign issue.
The timing suggests political scheming by the AMA, withholding important information or opinions in an attempt to influence an election. Will the AMA explain this curious timing? Social and corporate media did something similar with Hunter Biden’s laptop, knowingly suppressing information before the election, which may have swayed voters, glibly reporting on it after the election.
We will never know how many individuals could have been kept out of the hospital, ICU, or morgue if HCQ was used early in the disease course. Most medical miracles are due to outside the box thinking, using an approved drug in a new way. That’s the scientific approach, weighing risks and benefits, marching forward with modifications based on early results.
Instead, the AMA threw cold water on HCQ, joined by a medical establishment and media eager to ruin physicians’ careers if they challenged the dogma and dared promote HCQ.
The AMA played footloose with science and the truth. Some may call that lying and all for political purposes. Meanwhile people died. All to influence an election and depose the tweeting Orange Man in the White House.
Brian C. Joondeph, M.D., is a Denver-based physician and freelance writer for American Thinker, Rasmussen Reports, and other publications.
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12-18-2020, 14:13
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Originally Posted by Trapper John
https://www.*******.com/watch?v=YgOA...HE6rco3u7hUljY
I did some of the early ADME (Absorption, Distribution, Metabolism, Excretion) studies for Ivermectin. I had not thought of Ivermectin as a prophylactic for COVID-19. After listening to Dr. Kory, I think it should be formally evaluated. Unfortunately, this will get no traction just like Hydroxychloroquine. Why??? We can’t have low-cost repurposed drugs undermine the invested capital in big PhRMA now can we?
Note that Dr. Kory took great offense at Sen Gary Peter’s (D-MI) characterization of him as a politician. Typical liberal attempt to discredit a witness. I am surprised Sen Peters didn’t call him a racist too.
The Left is going out of its way to destroy small businesses and the middle class through this pandemic. Can't let a good crisis go to waste can we? Just further evidence of the destruction of our society from within! All cross-thread points greatly appreciated.
Thanks to Brother Old Dog New Trick for bringing this to my attention. 
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It appears by all accounts (bank accounts) Dr’s Fauci, Redfield and Birx will all be handsomely rewarded for their efforts to talk out both sides of their mouths from the earliest days of the spread while shoving their heads up their assess at every chance along the way.
People died because life saving treatments were denied to the physicians in care of moderately ill patients with co-morbidities that could have responded well to available off the shelf medicines.
There should be something criminal in that!
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12-18-2020, 15:38
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The AMA:
The American Medical Association is a corrupt union, the leadership is interested in one thing, Making money for themselves and they could care less about the public health of the population they are possibly more immoral than the tobacco companies that hid the truth about cigarette smoking and its link to lung cancer. Giant corporations gave rise to giant unions and both have been corrupted for money and power. The AMA is not a stand alone entity in massive corruption, The FBI, CIA, NSA, The Congress, The DNC, ACLU, SPLC, Planned Parenthood selling parts of aborted fetus, and probably every Government agency inside the DC Beltway.
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12-19-2020, 10:52
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12-21-2020, 08:30
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Originally Posted by tom kelly
The American Medical Association is a corrupt union, the leadership is interested in one thing, Making money for themselves and they could care less about the public health of the population they are possibly more immoral than the tobacco companies that hid the truth about cigarette smoking and its link to lung cancer. Giant corporations gave rise to giant unions and both have been corrupted for money and power. The AMA is not a stand alone entity in massive corruption, The FBI, CIA, NSA, The Congress, The DNC, ACLU, SPLC, Planned Parenthood selling parts of aborted fetus, and probably every Government agency inside the DC Beltway.
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I never joined the AMA for that very reason. Ironic that in the hospital, AMA translates to "against medical advice".
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