04-18-2017, 05:36
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.......you might want to give it a try before you decide to bring your Barrett M-82 and 1000 rounds.
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So no Toyota or Jeep based technicals allowed.....
I can't carry 80lbs so my gear would limited to only the essentials but will include a couple nalgene bottles of water and a few cliff bars. It would take a few to 5 days to cover the distance so taking an energy source is necessary as I can't count acquiring food enrout (maybe some squirrels and birds).
Rifle: I would take my AR M4gery and currently mounted Bushnell AR223 scope but limit magazines to no more than 4 or 5 plus batteries for the mounted Surefire 6P. 11-12lbs.
Handgun: Sig P226 with Streamlight TLR-1 HL and 3x18rd magazines in Safariland 6378. Shares batteries with 6P so same spares for both.
I would choose to skip a .22 and don't own any suppressors or NVG. I would carry NVG first is available.
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04-18-2017, 06:45
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I'm old and slow, and the weight I could carry is a bit more limited due to health reasons. if I were to pick from the three weapons listed I would leave the G-19 and possibly add another 100 rounds of .22. The .22 can help feed you in most environments. Pigeons and tree rats at least in urban areas, more options in rural areas. I'd easily trade the G-19 for a life straw and a few protean bars.
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04-18-2017, 09:39
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Location: 18 yrs upstate NY, 30 yrs South Florida, 20 yrs Conch Republic, now chasing G-Kids in NOVA & UK
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I'm old and slow, and the weight I could carry is a bit more limited due to health reasons. if I were to pick from the three weapons listed I would leave the G-19 and possibly add another 100 rounds of .22. The .22 can help feed you in most environments. Pigeons and tree rats at least in urban areas, more options in rural areas. I'd easily trade the G-19 for a life straw and a few protean bars.
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As I also fall(no pun) into the FOG category..
If I'm walking,, my destination better be a fully stock arms room & cache..
I would hump a Ruger Charger (SBR'd) and Glock 19, w/cans. Three hi-cap mags each, plus box ammo.
Example (not mine, I would use a 4x fixed scope and interchangeable Trijicon RMR type)
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04-18-2017, 10:48
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My new A/O in ID is rugged country with mountains, rivers, lakes and reservoirs, full of fish and game, but also black bears, wolves and grizzlies. Living in grizzly country is new to me so I'm still tailoring out a new load out plan for this region. As for my initial thought for firearms, long range shots with optics can be limited in heavy timber (I learned that in CO) so for a rifle I'm thinking my Marlin 45-70 lever gun with iron sights. It's relatively compact and good for all critters, 2 and 4-legged, small and grizzly-sized, for medium to close range.
Sidearms: Either HK USP .45 or Springfield XD .460 Rowland and a suppressed .22.
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04-18-2017, 11:46
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Thanks TR for the thread. It's interesting to re-think this & see what brain cells might've shifted since the last time I gave this some thought. (Also this FOG is not hauling as much either but, forgetting weapons, the thought of needing to make deliberate movement in an E&E scenario drives quite a bit.)
A "long" gun for me would actually be a mutt AK 7.62 I have that I've had for quite awhile. Some will decry it but I've actually moved in the woods alot with this thing to the point that it's an old friend. Incredibly convenient with its DDR folding stock and a T1 clone atop its railed gas tube, birdcage flash suppressor & a collection of proven mags. The dot is small enough to do adequate honest work from field positions out to 250-300; plenty for my environs. Not for everyone but it's like a favorite pair of jeans at this point.
My G19 would go for the same "old friend' reason; 15+1 and a couple of spare G17 mags with the OEM +2 baseplate (they're not all created equal). It gets carried in a modified M7-pattern (add cross-strap, ditch belt loop) leather rig made sometime way back by El Paso Saddlery specific to that frame. It's NOT a high-speed cool pick to the gun but it comes to hand easily, carries wonderfully and, no matter what I have to drop, it's ON me.
The part I've been mulling about is simply stashing my Ruger Mk.II w/couple spare mags & some spare change rounds in the ruck, but have lately been thinking hard about swapping it & a safe queen for the Mk.III 22/45 and suppressing that. In my neck of the woods a person can feed themselves pretty good with a .22 if needed & a suppressed version is a useful hammer as well. Headed now to the search engine; someone's surely written the good/bad/ugly RE suppressors for Mk.III's.
Thanks again.
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04-18-2017, 12:33
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Goal is to reach safe site
100 miles cross country - Bug Out Location you have access to - alone - Avoiding contact would be the best plan.
GR1 Ruck with hydration system 2lbs 9 oz
3 qts water 6 lbs
Mil spec Compass 5 oz
Sea to Summit nylon poncho 8 oz
Mil poncho liner 1 lbs 4oz
30 Gator chews 30g @=900= 1 lbs 9 oz
1 blt wolf urine 12 oz
1 blt Shunk Spray 12 oz
Glock 21/14 rounds 2 lbs 5 oz
Vanguard 8x22 Binos 11.oz
Total weight 15 lbs 2 oz
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04-18-2017, 13:44
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Yes, thank you for another scenario.
I'd take a light weight chest rig underneath clothing for my AR, Glock 17 w/ extra mags, and perhaps the BB/pellet gun. An IR or Thermal monocular would be handy to sort out whats ahead as I'm assuming others would be bugging out in an exodus out of this city, so on foot I would be traveling at night.
I would assume the attire of the homeless at least until I got out of the city as they travel with impunity especially at night.
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04-18-2017, 20:56
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Originally Posted by TOMAHAWK9521
. As for my initial thought for firearms, long range shots with optics can be limited in heavy timber (I learned that in CO) so for a rifle I'm thinking my Marlin 45-70 lever gun with iron sights. .
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I own a Marlin 45-70, use 300 grain and 405 grain in it for elk, deer and bear. Ammo is heavy, and the drop after 100 yards is quite significant. If I were bugging out, it wouldn't be my first choice. However, your 100 miles is different then mine. I just left Japan, I'm in the Midwest now. Heading to Europe for my next assignment. If the balloon went up tonight, I'm already at my BOL. When I'm in Europe, well, crap.
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04-19-2017, 16:39
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I own a Marlin 45-70, use 300 grain and 405 grain in it for elk, deer and bear. Ammo is heavy, and the drop after 100 yards is quite significant. If I were bugging out, it wouldn't be my first choice. However, your 100 miles is different then mine. I just left Japan, I'm in the Midwest now. Heading to Europe for my next assignment. If the balloon went up tonight, I'm already at my BOL. When I'm in Europe, well, crap.
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My choice did seem counterintuitive but I was thinking of a previous black bear encounter I had as well as most of the documented grizzly encounters and they tend to occur in close proximities and I'd rather stop Yogi's attack instead of just pissing him off.
All that being said, with my current location, I'm better off staying right where I'm at and putting out the near/far recognition signal to other QP's looking for a place to hold up. The only threat that would encourage me to move is if the Yellowstone Caldera "Super Volcano" kicked off. :roll eyes: And if that happened, you couldn't move fast enough.
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04-19-2017, 18:50
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Location: Michigan
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MK18 Rifle
T-1/Larue Sight
Knight’s Armament QDSS NT4suppressor
Surefire ight
7 Mags of Mk 272 Ammo
Sig 229R with Surefire Light (could be used on rifle also)
Trijicon Night sights
OWB holster TBD
4 x 15 round mags of 147 Rangers
extra 229 40 Cal barrel (Lots of extra ammo out there)
Ruger 22/45 or 10/22 Takedown (Still weighing options)
Takedown would fit good in a backpack
Suppressed
4-5 Magazines of quality ammo
Low power scope or an optic I could use on rifle and pistol
PVS 14 (Uses same batteries as SF Lights)
Small Steiner Binos
3 day pack with:
Contractor garbage bags
550 cord
First aide kit
Poncho
Liner
Socks
High energy food, protein bars, jerky
E&E Kit with fishing supplies
solar recharger for batteries
I have been doing a lot of research on using police scanners (Digital & Analog) to monitor local PD, FD and Local Government radio. I can also get State Police, National Guard Aviation & Ground and all types of other broadcasts. I can be better informed listening directly from the source than any news broadcast. If you listen you can learn a lot (Just like on here). Not much weight but lots of intel, and even entertainment.
Maps, Compass, Protractor, Google Maps photos, As much intel as I can take to help navigate. Make it easy to find locations. Show roads, buildings, farms, forests, airports, highways, industrial areas, uninformed routes of travel
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