BREAKING: Attack on Dallas PD, 3 dead, 8 wounded

[Bleed Green]

I just wanted to thank all you guys for the sentiments that you have shared here in this forum. It is not that often in this job that you have the public ever express thanks unless it is in very dark moments, but hearing things such as TS coming out of retirement for overwatch means a lot

I know that this profession has taken it's share of lumps due to the SJW calls for instant justice that is so often shaped by the perception of the internet videos that every keyboard commando wants to post to achieve their Warhol 15 minutes coupled with a lot of emotion in most cases without the benefit of all the facts. While there are those that decry the militarization of the police, I have got to look at how many lives a bomb robot saved last night and thank those who wear your uniforms for bringing that technology to Dallas last night.

Thank you all for being a sheep dog for it is the sheep dogs that stand between the sheep and the wolf and it is past time for all sheep dogs to be thanked.

Your watch is over my brothers. Peace be with you and those you leave behind.

Stay safe my friends.

[DJ Urbanovsky]

How does one manage to spend six years in the reserves and only achieve the rank of PFC...

[CAARNG 68W]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Damn, I was hoping for 'food preparation specialist' aka "cook."

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

All the lethal cooks are SEALs.

Originally Posted by tonyz

Lol, just a cook...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=edBenUAZ2OQ

Damn, took the idea right outta my head

hahahahahaha

Originally Posted by TacOfficer

Thank you,
If you want to know what the Chicago Police Officers think:

http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com

Thanks, bookmarked & saved!

Originally Posted by DJ Urbanovsky

How does one manage to spend six years in the reserves and only achieve the rank of PFC...

By being a shitbag

[Go Devil]

The media is relating information on the scrub shitbag that got smeared by his own bomb; one shooter?

What about this guy?

http://youtu.be/JcZOrZAdB78

Looks like a second one got smoked by a plain clothes individual.
After taking out the gunner, the plain clothes individual is still taking fire.
Or am I backwards on something?

I don't watch TV

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Go Devil

The media is relating information on the scrub shitbag that got smeared by his own bomb; one shooter?

What about this guy?

http://youtu.be/JcZOrZAdB78

Looks like a second one got smoked by a plain clothes individual.
After taking out the gunner, the plain clothes individual is still taking fire.
Or am I backwards on something?

I don't watch TV

Best I understand the shooter is in the tan pants. Also that that's his black SUV. The shooter began shooting at cops from there (street level) and then possibly moved upwards after escaping that area. At the end of the video you can see him run behind the far corner of the building (correction into a garage/parking entrance middle of building.) The person in the video that runs up to the column and takes cover is a police officer who may or may not have engaged the shooter. The shooter then maneuvers back to and engages the police officer point-blank.

Then there is a lull and confusion. Looks like unaimed fire is bouncing all over the facade of the building as the shooter darts back and forth before running down the sidewalk and into the building.

Just my observations

ETA: I think reports of him being a "sniper" with elevation is malarkey. At least in the beginning. Did he have body armor? I don't know. If he took hits from that officer they didn't have much effect. Did he have bombs/IEDs? I doubt it.

Was it total chaos? You bet!!!

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Go Devil

What about this guy?

http://youtu.be/JcZOrZAdB78

TV

If you take that angle and then look at this angle

https://youtu.be/aE02Il-pqYw

and then there the third angle.

https://youtu.be/wfKyVfuWm0c

I think you can piece together that some of the arriving police officers who got hit, got hit getting out of their cars. They drove into an active ambush kill zone and stopped to dismount. The shooter was undeterred by this. He fired accurately.

[Go Devil]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

If you take that angle and then look at this angle

https://youtu.be/aE02Il-pqYw

and then there the third angle.

https://youtu.be/wfKyVfuWm0c

I think you can piece together that some of the arriving police officers who got hit, got hit getting out of their cars. They drove into an active ambush kill zone and stopped to dismount. The shooter was undeterred by this. He fired accurately.

Thank you for clarifying this for me.

[SouthernDZ]

Just listened to the Mayor of Dallas and the Governor of Texas press conference.
I am once again reminded why it's called The Great State of Texas!

[Old Dog New Trick]

I think, I hope in the near future police agencies across the US need to take a hard look at how they do organized protest movements and crowd control.

Few have yet to use C2/C3I with a central on scene command. Use of 'armed' over-watch positions, aerial drones and/or HD CCTV. (Pre-position spotters and sharpshooters in high over-watch. No need to "hard scope" citizens when binoculars work just fine. The rifle is there when it goes sideways. Drones as in flying eyes - not predators armed with mini-guns. Same with HD CCTV mounted on mobile trucks or high buildings that can provide continuous observation of people in crowds. Gives the option to find them later when they go from protestor to anarchist or murderer.)

A lot of valuable time and energy is wasted with incoherent radio chatter and multiple reports that overlap and cause confusion. This is nothing new and has been a known problem for a long time. Incompatible radio systems used by different departments in the same localities.

If someone has a right to be there openly carrying weapons you'd better have a plan to keep eyes on. I don't want to discourage legal carry if it's legal but it better not become a liability when SHTF. (Just what I mean. If it's legal and you are legal there is no big deal. If you are only there to "intimidate or it's questionable to your intentions" then you are probably guilty of "brandishing" although that in and of itself is a judgment call.)

Also, routes and vehicular restrictions should be in place and enforced to prevent heavily armed infiltrators from joining the party.

While the pretty "day-glo" police uniforms look "cool" they also provide an eye catching target to differentiate between target/non-target. Traffic control sure...crowd and pedestrian control and movement officers not such a bright idea.

If your department owns Bearcats and MRAPs they had better be in the 'pooper-scooper' section of the parade. Loaded with tacticool operators wearing all their tacticool body armor and fresh batteries. Sending street cops into a maelstrom and hail of bullets doesn't end well. As witnessed. (These should not be front and center. They are the QRF but they are close enough to be effective. Sure it's easy to misrepresent the use of an MRAP for peaceful purposes and the Bearcat and SWAT trucks are more acceptable then it becomes a department asset. I'm not referring to the water cannon trucks they like to use in Europe for crowd control. Only in reserve of SHTF moments.)

Keep it simple, on the down low but always be the Boy Scout and have a rehearsed plan when it goes in a new direction. (The "Boy Scout" image is a clean cut, neatly dressed, professional that is always ready to help an old lady across the street, carry her groceries or skin a skunk and cook it over an open fire built without matches. Why? Because he can!)

Stay safe out there!

[JGC2]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

I think, I hope in the near future police agencies across the US need to take a hard look at how they do organized protest movements and crowd control.

Few have yet to use C2/C3I with a central on scene command. Use of 'armed' over-watch positions, aerial drones and/or HD CCTV.

A lot of valuable time and energy is wasted with incoherent radio chatter and multiple reports that overlap and cause confusion. This is nothing new and has been a known problem for a long time. Incompatible radio systems used by different departments in the same localities.

If someone has a right to be there openly carrying weapons you'd better have a plan to keep eyes on. I don't want to discourage legal carry if it's legal but it better not become a liability when SHTF.

Also, routes and vehicular restrictions should be in place and enforced to prevent heavily armed infiltrators from joining the party.

While the pretty "day-glo" police uniforms look "cool" they also provide an eye catching target to differentiate between target/non-target. Traffic control sure...crowd and pedestrian control and movement officers not such a bright idea.

If your department owns Bearcats and MRAPs they had better be in the 'pooper-scooper' section of the parade. Loaded with tacticool operators wearing all their tacticool body armor and fresh batteries. Sending street cops into a maelstrom and hail of bullets doesn't end well. As witnessed.

Keep it simple, on the down low but always be the Boy Scout and have a rehearsed plan when it goes in a new direction.

Stay safe out there!

I must respectfully disagree, as I just can't get on board with proposing a militarized police response to overwatch a public protest of militarized police. You're talking drones and MRAPs here that would be on the scale of a full on deliberate attack in a combat zone.

I will always stand with our LEOs over any race-motivated, leftist, hypocritical organization. 100%. But, it's just my opinion that although the BLM-style idiots of today are the "threat," the logic I see the police, political right, and even many of us using here could easily be parlayed against Constitutional patriots down the road.

The fact that a remote controlled robot was outfitted with a bomb and used as a RBIED to kill a US citizen on US soil should be generating thoughtful discussion about precedent and ethics. Sadly, too many of us will focus on how big of a piece of sh*t the suspect was to be willing to entertain it. We must realize that to those who will use lethal force against us on behalf of "the State," they believe we are big pieces of sh*t too.

Your recommendation here reads like you would have sniper overwatch hard-scoping a law abiding open carrier during a public protest. I submit the idea that he might view the protection of himself and his fellow protestors as primarily his responsibility. There are over 1 million handgun carry permit holders in Texas. We Texians see ourselves as protectors of the public and don't think that should be left solely to the police. You say you don't want to discourage open carry, but by proposing a militarized response to it that has to be the end result.

The fact that multiple videos showed the "suspect" getting shot at, not shooting, but he was still targeted over social media and via BOLO is because of one thing - he was armed. Being armed was never supposed to make you suspicious or threatening in this country.

Either way, another very sad day where good American public servants are lost and the hypocrisy of the Left ("well unlike mass shootings, now let's not blame the many for the actions of the few!") is on full display.

[Team Sergeant]

Had a friend here in Phoenix police dept tell me that assholes are calling 911 shouting black lives matter or requesting cops and when they show up people are there waiting to yell at them. Or have written something for them to read when they arrive.

Planned protests in Phoenix tonight at 2000 hours.

I'll have my BLM AR-15 out locked and loaded tonight.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by JGC2

I must respectfully disagree, as I just can't get on board with proposing a militarized police response to overwatch a public protest of militarized police. You're talking drones and MRAPs here that would be on the scale of a full on deliberate attack in a combat zone.

I will always stand with our LEOs over any race-motivated, leftist, hypocritical organization. 100%. But, it's just my opinion that although the BLM-style idiots of today are the "threat," the logic I see the police, political right, and even many of us using here could easily be parlayed against Constitutional patriots down the road.

The fact that a remote controlled robot was outfitted with a bomb and used as a RBIED to kill a US citizen on US soil should be generating thoughtful discussion about precedent and ethics. Sadly, too many of us will focus on how big of a piece of sh*t the suspect was to be willing to entertain it. We must realize that to those who will use lethal force against us on behalf of "the State," they believe we are big pieces of sh*t too.

Your recommendation here reads like you would have sniper overwatch hard-scoping a law abiding open carrier during a public protest. I submit the idea that he might view the protection of himself and his fellow protestors as primarily his responsibility. There are over 1 million handgun carry permit holders in Texas. We Texians see ourselves as protectors of the public and don't think that should be left solely to the police. You say you don't want to discourage open carry, but by proposing a militarized response to it that has to be the end result.

The fact that multiple videos showed the "suspect" getting shot at, not shooting, but he was still targeted over social media and via BOLO is because of one thing - he was armed. Being armed was never supposed to make you suspicious or threatening in this country.

Either way, another very sad day where good American public servants are lost and the hypocrisy of the Left ("well unlike mass shootings, now let's not blame the many for the actions of the few!") is on full display.

I must have mis-wrote something here. Not my intention at all.

Will clarify shortly.

[Paslode]

There is a BLM protest in Lee's Summit, MO tonight as well......nothing planned about al this at all.

How many governemts have been overthrown by grass roots activists during Obama's tenure?

[Old Dog New Trick]

I cleaned up my error. Above edit.

My intention is not to create a militarized police force but, if our police are to take on military trained wackos and determined terrorists with "common in use" military style weapons then they need to be trained and prepared to respond in kind.

[JGC2]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

I cleaned up my error. Above edit.

My intention is not to create a militarized police force but, if our police are to take on military trained wackos and determined terrorists with "common in use" military style weapons then they need to be trained and prepared to respond in kind.

Tracking. To take it one step further, this is the reason citizens should have unabated access to all forms of weapons that are available to the State or in common use by criminals and terrorists.

Quick note on open carry vs. legal carry. It is also my opinion that New York, California, Florida, Illinois and South Carolina are in gross violation of the 2nd Amendment by distinguishing between the two. Carry of any kind = legal carry because of Paslode's signature block and the key phrase "shall not be infringed."