Civil Unrest Continues to Build Around Eastern Oregon Rancher Case

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Exactly, don't give these idiots the attention they want and it cost zero dollars. Now we have one dead they can rally around and gain support of more idiots, no telling how this shit show will turn out but I bet it will be ugly. Cost of the trial for all of them, civil litigation for the family suing the FBI and the state of Oregon. I have been through that area and it is desolate, if they would have ignored them, and I mean completely by not sending any one out it would probablt be over by now. Raises the question of who is the bigger fool. The fool or the one that argues with the fool. So far the FBI and protesters are running neck and neck for who the biggest idiot of this Charlie Foxtrot.

It appears Clive Bundy was arrested in Portland last evening.

[Unique Calling]

I saw this article and thought it was very insightful... Guys like this are the cooler heads that we hope prevail. Worth reading.

http://alt-market.com/articles/2797-...gainst-tyranny

[Sdiver]

Seems to me, the Feds are kicking a hornet's nest ... But I guess that's what they want to do.

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy arrested by FBI in Oregon

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, the father of the jailed protest leader whose followers have occupied a federal wildlife refuge in eastern Oregon for the past 40 days, was arrested by FBI agents in Portland, Ore. late Wednesday.

Bundy was arrested as he stepped off a flight from Las Vegas. The FBI declined to provide a reason or other details, saying further information would be released by the U.S. Attorney's office in Las Vegas Thursday.

Authorities had for weeks allowed the occupiers to come and go freely from the remote refuge, leading to criticism from local and state officials that law enforcement wasn't doing enough to end the situation.

Bundy's son, Ammon, was arrested last month as he and other main figures of the occupation were traveling to the town of John Day. Four others were also arrested in that confrontation, which resulted in the shooting death of the group's spokesman, Robert "LaVoy" Finicum. The FBI said Finicum was reaching for a gun.

Most of the occupiers fled the refuge after that. Authorities then surrounded the property and later got the holdouts added to an indictment charging 16 people with conspiracy to interfere with federal workers.

The Oregonian newspaper reported that Cliven Bundy faces charges related to the 2014 standoff between federal agents and armed protesters on his Nevada ranch. The charges include conspiracy to interfere with a federal officer.

The Bureau of Land Management said at the time of the 2014 standoff that Cliven Bundy owed over $1 million in fees and penalties for trespassing cattle on federal property without a permit over 20 years. Bundy refuses to acknowledge federal authority over public lands.
Oregon Wildlife Refuge Takeover | FindTheBest

The standoff began after the Bureau of Land Management impounded Bundy's cattle that were found on federal property. However, federal agents later backed down and allowed Bundy's supporters to turn the cattle loose.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/11...-portland.html

[ddoering]

If only the government was as motivated to tackle Islamic terrorism......

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by ddoering

If only the government was as motivated to tackle Islamic terrorism......

This is true, just like the Hutaree the FBI has taken down a group that hardly had the combined where with all to screw in a light bulb.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

What th he FBI is going to do is get he a y handed and turn what should have been a bunch of idiots getting their 15 min of fame into a major incident. I sometimes wonder if Obama is not trying to incite a civil war.

That's okay, the taxpayers will cover the bills and costs of litigation well into the next presidency. It's still Bush's fault!

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

What th he FBI is going to do is get he a y handed and turn what should have been a bunch of idiots getting their 15 min of fame into a major incident. I sometimes wonder if Obama is not trying to incite a civil war.

Fusion Centers and kool-aid-drinking Force Protection briefers have been invoking 'the Ghost of McVeigh' for far too long. They need some new material & now they have it. (While the rat lines continue to funnel in some real threats.)

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by PSM

BLM in my neighborhood is getting weird, too. I can't tell if it's planned or a coincidence. The local hackles are up, though. BLM has been very benign until the last few months.

Pat

The nutty people are saying the FBI is rounding up people who participated in the 2014 Bundy Ranch standoff....maybe there is some truth to it.

[Sdiver]

Pretty good break down of the last 24+ hours ...

I won't post the whole article/link, but there is one section that I will

Oregon militia standoff: dramatic final surrender at wildlife refuge – as it happened


Four remaining occupiers safely surrender to FBI
Nine new individuals charged today, seven arrested
Tense, hours-long negotiations broadcast live on YouTube
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy arrested and appearing in court


Latest summary

The 41-day armed occupation at the Malheur national wildlife refuge ended this morning when the final four protesters surrendered after a dramatic standoff with FBI agents.
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy was arrested in Portland and has been charged with six federal crimes stemming from his confrontation with the federal government in 2014.
Nine more Oregon militia members were charged today, meaning 25 people total are now accused in a federal conspiracy case. Two of them were still at large as of this afternoon.
Officials are now investigating the “crime scene” at the wildlife sanctuary and plan to begin efforts to “repair damages” caused by the occupation.

Didn't Hitler start out this way?

Rest of the updates here ----> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/l...ildlife-refuge

[Paslode]

This piece caught my eye:

Liberty Activists And ISIS Will Soon Be Treated As Identical Threats

“Extremist groups motivated by a range of U.S.-born philosophies present a “clear and present danger,” John Carlin, the Justice Department’s chief of national security, told Reuters in an interview. “Based on recent reports and the cases we are seeing, it seems like we’re in a heightened environment.”

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2...ntical-threats

IMO..........the only clear and present danger most of the co-called 'domestic extremist' present is that they are seeing the establishment for what it is and are speaking up about it. I would go as far to say that this election and several of its candidates are proof people are sick of the established norms.

[Hand]

Originally Posted by Paslode

IMO..........the only clear and present danger most of the co-called 'domestic extremist' present is that they are seeing the establishment for what it is and are speaking up about it. I would go as far to say that this election and several of its candidates are proof people are sick of the established norms.

Along these lines, I have watched this event and considered how much similarity or difference there would be had this been 300 armed men occupying a courthouse, or 300,000 armed men camped out in front of Congress.

[FlagDayNCO]

Uncle Sugar will start to worry about the Islamic Terrorists within the USA when the goat herders start grazing on Federal lands without paying fees.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by Paslode

IMO..........the only clear and present danger most of the co-called 'domestic extremist' present is that they are seeing the establishment for what it is and are speaking up about it.

Uh...no. Seeing the intel and LE reports daily, there are many misguided, impressionable, typically young folks out there that become enamored with the call of radical Islam or other "kill 'em all--let [pick your deity] sort 'em out" movements. Fortunately for the rest of society, they're usually dumb enough to do something to ping on the radar and get rolled up before they hurt others.

Most folks have no idea of the work that fusion centers and kool-aid drinking force protection briefers do every day to keep the whack jobs from hurting them or their families.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Razor

Most folks have no idea of the work that fusion centers and kool-aid drinking force protection briefers do every day to keep the whack jobs from hurting them or their families.

I truly, truly, hope things have become better in the 3 yrs since I left a garrison environment. Getting actual information that was locally or area-relevant (vs. citations of historical examples), upon which the CO (and folks on his planning cell) could make decisions about COA recommendations, resources, etc. was a pretty ponderous affair. I suppose it's also a function of the humans in the positions & further upstream (state JOC, etc.) I'll admit 3 yrs to get interior locks on a multi-office shiny-object-target type building amidst the guidance of "Run, Hide, Fight (as last resort if you must)" could've jaded me.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Razor

Uh...no. Seeing the intel and LE reports daily, there are many misguided, impressionable, typically young folks out there that become enamored with the call of radical Islam or other "kill 'em all--let [pick your deity] sort 'em out" movements. Fortunately for the rest of society, they're usually dumb enough to do something to ping on the radar and get rolled up before they hurt others.

Most folks have no idea of the work that fusion centers and kool-aid drinking force protection briefers do every day to keep the whack jobs from hurting them or their families.

Radical Islam, I am with you there. But Bundy, the Hutaree and the others low IQ domestic clowns is a joke........a million bucks a day for the FBI to jack with the Bundy Bros Circus who were held up in an unoccupied building, out in a forest reserve....plus there have been reports of wackos like the SPLC and MB advising and providing intel to take out the competition.

And in the end Law Enforcement considers the Bundy's (and any one who disagrees with government policy) are domestic terrorists, Machete Man Mohammad Berry is a random act of violence and Black Lives Matter is a civil rights group......


Makes you wonder who the real wack jobs are.