Defense Secretary to Open All Combat Jobs to Women

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by Peregrino

Billy - You're channeling again. We need get a ruck on your back, a rifle in your hands, and send you to the field for a month (while that's still a relatively effective treatment); otherwise, some PC sycophant is going to deny your retirement because you're obviously "the right man to make this (abortion) succeed".

You funny Petason!

Well said!

[glebo]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

We don't need no stinkin' standards, ethnics, or morals...the courage to stand up for doing something right is no longer a requirement of the job.
All's the government and country needs to do is keep unemployment high thus providing a steady pool of low wages and a desperate population. Hard to justify having standards when so many unqualified candidates are applying for limited jobs.

That is very obvious, case in point, The SF SFC that waylayed the child molester goat fucker and is paying the price for having "morals and standards"...

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by glebo

That is very obvious, case in point, The SF SFC that waylayed the child molester goat fucker and is paying the price for having "morals and standards"...

Snapshot of our current leadership.
Disgusting.

[Bechorg]

Survey results: http://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/Doc...s%20Forces.pdf

Interesting read. Overwhelmingly, pleasingly NEGATIVE. Some of the comments outright hilarious. I am surprised they let Ranger E-3's and E-4's take that survey. Some of their answers are very juvenile and immature, taking away from the survey. "Chicks"? Really?

[sinjefe]

The overall impression of that survey is "this is doable".

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by sinjefe

The overall impression of that survey is "this is doable".

Pay me enough and I'll do a study to say it's doable too.......

I see 5'2", 115 lb women taking down 225lb 6'2" men all the time, on TV.

[Box]

Originally Posted by Bechorg

Some of the comments outright hilarious. I am surprised they let Ranger E-3's and E-4's take that survey. Some of their answers are very juvenile and immature, taking away from the survey.

Just a thought...

When someone generates a poll or a survey with the intent of collecting "fact" the questions are usually specific and quantifiable.
When someone circulates a poll/survey to collect or generate "opinion" the questions are usually emotional and subjective.

I took this survey. MANY of the questions were emotional and subjective but packaged as objective.

Consider this...
I give you a four question survey:

Women in direct combat roles is a:
-good idea
-great idea
-good example of gender equality
-process that must be studied further before it can be implemented


what do you answer?



Then I give you a section to provide your own comments...
"This shit is fucking bullshit political tampering with national defense"

That statement contradicts your previous answer, so I can deliver results as "inconclusive"

If I give that same survey to a few lower enlisted troops, I can also use the results to show exactly how immature the force is and explain that in all of the responses by mature senior troops, the free-text response matches the multiple choice.

Then I can deduce from the data that with the exception of a few immature and unprofessional youngsters - this is actually a good idea that can become a GREAT idea with just a little more research into gender equality.


Looks good - this is exactly the response we were looking for...
...execute execute execute

[bailaviborita]

Like many have said, the fix was in from the beginning. The way RAND works is they give you what you want. That way they can win repeat business.

I got a call from a RAND cntractor once who had been told to write a concept on how to do irregular warfare campaign planning. He had been a conventional Marine and had never planned more than a trip to the range when he had been in. He had gotten my name from an active Army fellow. This was on a Saturday at my home. Out of wanting to get it right I spent two hours on the phone with him. In the end, though, my comments were simply used to justify what USASOC commander wanted in the document...

The phrases, "none is insurmountable" and "good leadership is key" both come from SOCOM and DoD talking points. It was implicit for RAND to conclude that and state it...

[StRaTeGy_]

This clip reminded me this post...

Family guy - women in the workplace, personnel training

Link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MRUbC32loA4

[DanHeller88]

Has there been a female applicant yet? I know the government has interest in a female being tabbed, but where is this outcry of woman wanting to do it? When it comes to actually signing a contract and attending selection, I don't see too many lines of women forming.

[bailaviborita]

Originally Posted by DanHeller88

Has there been a female applicant yet? I know the government has interest in a female being tabbed, but where is this outcry of woman wanting to do it? When it comes to actually signing a contract and attending selection, I don't see too many lines of women forming.

April is the first class possible. Early signals are there are lots of West Pointers who want to "try out". Also many non SF officers are actively recruiting women in SOF and former CSTs to go...

[Chairborne64]

Of course we are all equal. How many men got this kind of treatment.

http://usdefensewatch.com/2016/01/do...emale-rangers/


I would REALLY like to know what is going on in the Ranger course that started yesterday.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by Chairborne64

I would REALLY like to know what is going on in the Ranger course that started yesterday.

Brother, this is a full-on winter class right now. You KNOW that the handful of women out there actually considering going to RS are going to wait until late spring or summer when the weather/temps aren't so brutal. Very similar to USMC OCS, where female candidates are not allowed to attend winter classes due to the harsh environment.

[bubba]

- Some long forgotton RI just before our graduation: "The easy part is sewing on that tab, the hardest thing you'll ever do, is EARN it, every F'n Day!"

If you are in it for you, and most assuridly those "glass ceiling breaker" types are, then they will never truly earn it, which is something that they can not even begin to understand.

The vast majority of the rest of the female of the species understands that they (women) are not built for ground combat and therefore just don't even bother.

Then, there are the 0.5% of women, who CAN do it, and guess what, they are activly recruited by people who actually NEED them in their organizations.

This entire experiment will fail if only because the 5-10 that "break down the glass celing" will QUIT long before their re-enlistment window opens, they won't like to actually EARN that tab every day, all day, come rain, blood, shit, or mud!

[Box]

...these aren't the droids you're looking for.

You can go about your business; move along.