Shootings in Paris

[ddoering]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Time for some shock and awe.

Thus far, I have not been impressed with our campaign.

TR

I prefer a more subtle approach, small pox laden prayer mats. You get five chances a day for a solution.

[Guymullins]

Originally Posted by Guymullins

Maybe this will help Europe and the rest of the Western world to change their thinking on migration from Muslim countries. While it may be true that only a small percentage of refugees and migrants are militant and radical Muslims, the fact is that all are potential carriers of the disease.
The flood of migrants need to be treated as potential carriers of a deadly Ebola-like disease.
If European countries feel obliged to allow the migrants entry, they need to be quarantined and isolated from the native citizens.
Naturally, the best form of defence against a people-borne disease is to prevent carriers from entering your country.
If migrants find living in their own countries unbearable, they should be encouraged to return to their own countries to make the changes there in order to make living there bearable again.
Some would call it tough love, but no constructive purpose is gained by allowing the migrants to make their new host countries as unbearable as those that they left in the first place.

In looking for solutions to the Citizen Terrorist it may be instructive to again reprise the American/Japanese confrontation during WW2.
While the policy didn't cover the USA with glory, it didn't cover it with homegrown terror either. Soon after Pearl Harbour , the American administration feared the possibility of naturalised Japanese citizens rising up in sympathy with Imperial Japan and attacking the USA from the inside. Japanese/Americans were rounded up and placed in internment camps pending the outcome of the war. While this was not very pleasant or convenient for Japanese / Americans, it avoided any unpleasantness or collaboration with the enemy.
Perhaps this is a way of containing the influx of refugees and naturalised Muslims in Europe. Humane detention camps housing all Muslims, whether naturalised or newly arrived could be built and families and individuals housed and fed there pending a cessation of hostilities. Inmates should be given the choice of returning to their home countries at any time, or waiting out the War on Terror in the relative safety and comfort of the camps. While this could be a little harsh on Muslims, they will soon come to see that until they as a distinct national group begin to help the West to solve the terrorist problem, they are going to be regarded as a part of the problem. While the majority of Muslims, both refugees and naturalised citizens are not terrorists themselves, they allow the terrorists to move and live within the Muslim communities with impunity. The terrorists neighbours and family must surely know of their intentions and training, but are loath to do anything to prevent the atrocities being perpetrated. This could be either through sympathy with the cause or fear of reprisals, but whatever the cause, the average "peace loving" Muslim needs to take sides and identify with either Western or Muslim values. Sitting on the fence is no longer acceptable to host nations who have welcomed Muslims and given them safe havens and jobs, only to get bitten in the hand doing the feeding.

[Hand]

Resentful black activists and their comrades started a backlash against the huge public sympathy for the Parisian victims of the Islamist terror war. On Sunday, they used Twitter’s hashtag #FuckParis to reveal their emotional reaction to their loss of attention.

Breitbart News’ Milo Yiannopoulos reported, the social media backlash began almost immediately by Black Lives Matters activists upset about how the historic terror attack by ISIS that left over 120 dead had stolen the media spotlight overnight on Friday.

A small sampling of the tweets show no sympathy towards the killed and wounded in Paris. Instead, the left-wing activists described the slaughter in France as retribution for the Western colionialist, imperialist, racist, and white culture. The tweets cited included France’s long history with Haiti and Africa, as well as France’s popular ban on Muslim’s Afghan-style face-covering ‘niqab’ cloaks.

The #FuckParis hashtag also was retweeted by radicals in both America and Europe who supported the Islamist attack and open borders for refugees.

Source

Well there you go. BLM is officially a racists hate group.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Guymullins

In looking for solutions to the Citizen Terrorist it may be instructive to again reprise the American/Japanese confrontation during WW2.
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Disagree in the scope & execution of the WW II interments,, not the theory.

BUTT,, I don't think that even with the help of current cyberspace intel, can a government do much more than 1/2 A$$..

[Old Dog New Trick]

Pandora is out of the box. Has been for awhile now, so there's no putting her back.

There are only two viable options to control or mitigate this and genocide or the complete destruction of Islam is not one of them.

1) a military/police state (Martial Law) imposed. (Very costly, limits freedom, impossible to sustain in a free society, gives the terrorists a de facto win.)

2) a militia compromised of the able bodied and willing citizens of the world to take up arms and receive or attend very basic training for the purposes of maintaining freedom and to guarantee the right of self-defense is a personal right that cannot be denied by nor abnegated to the government. Unless the government can provide adequate legal cause for the individual suspension of rights to the citizens due to mental health or criminal conviction this should be a basic human right of all citizens of the world to enjoy and take part in the free defense of their home, and homelands. (Very little to no cost, maintains freedom, is easy to sustain, and gives the terrorists a sound defeat.)

(Even if a mere 1 to 5 percent of the able bodied population (that's roughly anyone who's ever served in their countries military or is now serving) took up arms in self-defense of person, family, neighbor, and strangers, the resulting dominance over the acts of terrorism and murderous crime would send shockwaves through the evil hearts and minds of those involved. Add a couple million more people who just give a shit and won't surrender to the idea of murderers and terrorism and the terrorists have already lost.)

Will there still be victims? Yes, unfortunately no plan can prevent unacceptable loss of life in the instant of but, this plan should minimize the duration and damage that can happen if allowed to continue.

9-1-1 (or country specific #) is not a solution to violence, violent action by the citizens of a free state is the solution to violence perpetrated by evil.

Just my underlying opinion on how to defeat evil and leave my government to spend money on worthwhile and fixable problems. Instead of spending a million dollars wasting one camel fu*ker at a time. Whack-an-A$$hole won't work, but I'm not against sending them to hell either with a 7.62mm or a Tomahawk Cruise Missile either. Just get more bang for the buck when you do it!

Oh, I picked #2 above.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Port Hasty

Here are some "moderate" Syrians effectively integrated into Europe. It's only a matter of time before something happens in the US as the number of migrants increases.

Found a couple more "moderates"..

[blacksmoke]

ME oil will run out, water supply will get low, they will become even more desperate. We will see even more migration before it's all over.

[akv]

What happens if France commits the Foreign Legion to Syria and invokes NATO article 5?

[frostfire]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

destroy the ladder!

Trapper John,

to destroy the ladder, the battle is in the minds (of billions unfortunately). Yes, physical destruction can be persuasive to the mind, but not necessarily...

Granted this is only one person, but while Mischio Fuchida, the lead bomber pilot at Pearl Harbor (and the Japanese) was disengaged after "physical persuasion," he was not de-radicalized. It was the action of Jake DeShazer, former Doolittle Squadron member who was tortured as POW in China, and Peggy Covell, a volunteer at Japanese POW camp in the US whose parents were beheaded by the Japanese, that turned Fuchida 180 degrees. Fuchida true believer's ideology, the bushido, could not explain grace and fell apart.

Often enough, "physical persuasion" also gives the opposite effect. In her psychological autopsies of countless suicide bombers, Dr. Speckhard found that many were motivated by revenge and to be reunited with their loved ones who were killed unjustly in their eyes, not ideology, not 92 virgins, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0chvAqVPUc

[head]

Damn CNN... they have a still from the latest ISIL video emblazoned across their front page. It is quite fitting if you think about it. Ted Turner gives them free advertising.

Meanwhile.... our children are watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TULVRlpsNWo

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by akv

What happens if France commits the Foreign Legion to Syria and invokes NATO article 5?

First evoke article 5 and then we plan a response. Oh I forgot we have still the Kenyan in office.

France is on their own.

[spherojon]

Any bets on where those terrorists got the AKs from?

My guess is they obtained those from FSA...who got them from Libya....who got them from?


"What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...eapo/?page=all

[tonyz]

If France can't build general consensus to lead a CRIPPLING military response against ISIS after ANOTHER barbaric act of war against civilians...well...even Russia must acknowledge these acts should not go without a crippling response...they, too, have felt the sting of Muslim terrorism. We all (each nation) will feel it (those unwilling to submit) eventually. Better to kill them now.

<reality check> I'm just pissing in the wind...

...we have zero in charge...

"NATO is an Alliance that consists of 28 independent member countries."

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm

[Dusty]

I'll never understand why libs of all stripes just don't get the reality that when "victims" are armed and retaliate, the bullies move on to easier prey.

Look at any state's stats relating to CCW and violent crime. Inversely, look at Australia's crime stats.

There was no law named regarding "home invasion" until they got their guns confiscated.

Can you imagine how quick the BG's would assume control without the 2A?

Apply it to what happened in Paris...

[Sohei]

Originally Posted by Dusty

I'll never understand why libs of all stripes just don't get the reality that when "victims" are armed and retaliate, the bullies move on to easier prey...

In my opinion, most of them are sheep who are too scared to protect themselves -- with anything -- much less a firearm. They depend on others to protect them and believe the "protectors" are the only ones that need firearms.

The rest of us are just "bad guys" for wanting to have those bad weapons.