Another islamic terrorist shooting in a Gun-Free Zone

[Bleed Green]

I think that you bring up an interesting point Craig. I realize the circumstances of me carrying concealed are different from the average CCW holder, but I also have always questioned the intent of most holders of a CCW permit. I am all good with them protecting their family as that is near and dear to my heart as well, but will they have any reservation about doing what is needed to keep an active shooter engaged until they get backup or are incapacitated? I always figured that one of the responsibilities of me carrying was that this would never be a question as it is my duty to get rounds down range and on target until the threat is neutralized or I am unable to fight back. My loved ones and others in the event being able to escape is the payback IMHO.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by craigepo

You really are onto something here. I would like to see a study of the number of homicides committed in gun-free zones/cities per annum.

This could be made into a really good argument. Possibly, to the mind of a potential "crowd shooter", an honest person with a gun is a scary proposition. Also, maybe people who carry concealed weapons are loaning more security to others than we think. Thoughts?

Most of the gun rights arguments have already been made. The recent decision in Illinois to allow concealed carry is having a chilling effect on violent crime.




One Year After Concealed Carry, Chicago Homicide Rate Plunges to 56-Year Low

Posted by John Jay on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 | 2 Comments

On the heels of a new subpoena from a federal grand jury in Chicago seeking records about Gov. Pat Quinn’s (D-Ill.) botched 2010 anti-violence program, the Neighborhood Recovery Initiative, a new poll from YouGov reveals that Chicago – one of the most heavily regulated cities in America when it comes to guns – is seen as the most dangerous city in America. It’s followed closely by New York City, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C., three other cities that are also known for their strict gun control laws.

http://www.illinoismirror.com/one-ye...o-56-year-low/




Do this nationwide and you'll cut down all violent crime most ricky tic.

Hell President Bush forgot the most powerful anti-crime folks out there, the veterans. I'd like to see a bill that grants a nationwide concealed carry for all combat MOS veterans. They already have it for cops, why not retired veterans. To go even further allow all Special Forces, SEAL, Ranger, and Marine Special Ops to carry anytime, anywhere, no restrictions not even in an airplane or nuke plant.

Want to reduce crime 1000 fold in just one year, violent gangs would become a memory, drug cartel members would be running for their lives.

Just Arm the Veterans.

[Old Dog New Trick]

In other news...for every failure there is success.

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

4 students arrested for Calif. school shooting plot

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...plot/73325610/

[Sdiver]

Have seen this floating around the past day or so ...

Apparently there was an Air Force vet, who was armed and licensed to carry, who initially wanted to help when the shooting started, but was stopped by the college staff from doing so.

Published on Oct 2, 2015

An Air Force veteran who had a licensed concealed carry gun was prevented by staff from intervening in the shooting yesterday at the Umpqua Community College during which ten people were killed.

John Parker was situated in a building about 200 yards away from where the shooting began.

“There were a few people in the vet center and then when we heard the shooting happened, we got up and we were gonna go out and see what we could do,” Parker told Fox News’ Sean Hannity.

“Immediately the school staff stopped us and told us to get inside of the building….essentially the staff wouldn't let us go to assist,” he added.

One courageous man who also tried to apprehend the shooter, Army veteran Chris Mintz, ended up being shot five times. Mintz was unarmed.

In asserting his right to concealed carry, Parker was knowingly violating a rule which declared the college to be a gun free zone.

As we reported yesterday, a post on the college website made it clear that even water pistols were banned on campus.

The single security officer working on the campus was also unarmed, according to the Associated Press.

Meanwhile, as news emerges that the gunman, 26-year-old Xxxxx Xxxxxx Xxxxxx, was a potential Islamist sympathizer who dabbled in the occult, expect the left to lose interest in the incident quickly.

The fact that Xxxxxx is mixed race will also make it impossible for progressives to blame the shooting on all white people, as many did in the aftermath of the [Chattanooga] shooting.

Xxxxxx reportedly targeted Christians during the shooting, asking victims about their religion and shooting anyone who identified as a Christian in the head.

“[He started] asking people one by one what their religion was. ‘Are you a Christian?’ he would ask them, and if you're a Christian stand up. And they would stand up and he said, ‘Good, because you're a Christian, you are going to see God in just about one second.’ And then he shot and killed them,” Stacy Boylen, whose daughter was wounded at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore., told CNN.

Video here ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsoT8wANWZY

*Edited by me. I refuse to list the murder's name(s) and give them the "glory" that they seek.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Sdiver

Have seen this floating around the past day or so ...

Apparently there was an Air Force vet, who was armed and licensed to carry, who initially wanted to help when the shooting started, but was stopped by the college staff from doing so.

Doesn't surprise me in the least.

Someone who either knew the law, or simply choose to exercise their rights was prevented by the scared shitless crowd into cowering in the corner like scared sheep. I'd consider a lawsuit with damages for mental anguish. Start with the school, the state and the federal government for unconstitutional laws/rules. It's the only way it's going to get to the supremes to make a ruling on the absurdity of GFZ in public or semi-private but open to the public spaces.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by craigepo

Also, maybe people who carry concealed weapons are loaning more security to others than we think.

If so, they should step up to help when the "good guy" gets sued for saving their lives.

Pat

[Team Sergeant]

Pro tip, when the shooting starts DO NOT FOLLOW THE SHEEPLE.

Another Pro tip, if the shooter is within hand grenade range YOU ATTACK THE SHOOTER.

(The only way to survive a near ambush is to immediately TURN AND ATTACK THE AMBUSHERS)

This "Option" only works with non-sheeple. (Children do not count, adults must do the attacking for them)

Last Pro tip, go outside right now and make a mental note on how "YOU'RE" going to react to a shooter in public.

If you thoughts are on retreat, well, you're sheeple, if your thoughts are on busting a cap in his ass or "muzzle thumping" the bottom-feeding low-life, welcome to the "real man" crowd.

[Razor]

“There were a few people in the vet center and then when we heard the shooting happened, we got up and we were gonna go out and see what we could do,” Parker told Fox News’ Sean Hannity.

“Immediately the school staff stopped us and told us to get inside of the building….essentially the staff wouldn't let us go to assist,” he added.

So an unarmed staff hand-wringer tells a guy with a will to act and the tools to do so to stop, and the guy stops? Sounds like the 'will to act' wasn't quite up to snuff, and he found an excuse.

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by Razor

So an unarmed staff hand-wringer tells a guy with a will to act and the tools to do so to stop, and the guy stops? Sounds like the 'will to act' wasn't quite up to snuff, and he found an excuse.

Bing Bing Bing we have a winner.

Lost of people have guns but no will to get into the fray and use them to protect others.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

Bing Bing Bing we have a winner.

Lost of people have guns but no will to get into the fray and use them to protect others.

At our table, in ABQ, we had at least 4 guns. Nancy carries 2 revolvers.

Pat

[Bleed Green]

I hope you guys are enjoying the Balloon Fiesta Pat. It is something to see if you have never been there for it. Stay safe.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Bleed Green

I hope you guys are enjoying the Balloon Fiesta Pat. It is something to see if you have never been there for it. Stay safe.

We're not there. We had lunch with SF_BHT last month. Would have contacted you on the way south but we took the Hatch cut-off.

Pat

[Bleed Green]

I will look forward to you guys returning this way. I was on mids last month so you may have not gotten me anyway as I was in full vampire mode.

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by Bleed Green

I hope you guys are enjoying the Balloon Fiesta Pat. It is something to see if you have never been there for it. Stay safe.

Was there this morning. Was nice.

[SF-TX]

Originally Posted by Bleed Green

I think that you bring up an interesting point Craig. I realize the circumstances of me carrying concealed are different from the average CCW holder, but I also have always questioned the intent of most holders of a CCW permit. I am all good with them protecting their family as that is near and dear to my heart as well, but will they have any reservation about doing what is needed to keep an active shooter engaged until they get backup or are incapacitated? I always figured that one of the responsibilities of me carrying was that this would never be a question as it is my duty to get rounds down range and on target until the threat is neutralized or I am unable to fight back. My loved ones and others in the event being able to escape is the payback IMHO.

Perhaps you could elaborate. As it reads now, that statement is open to misinterpretation, or not.