BATFE To Ban Common AR-15 Ammo

[mojaveman]

If regular FMJ ball ammunition such as M193 and M80 will also penetrate soft body armor won't the government eventually try and ban those too?

[mugwump]

Originally Posted by mojaveman

If regular FMJ ball ammunition such as M193 and M80 will also penetrate soft body armor will the government eventually try and ban those too?

Yes

[The Reaper]

Pretty much all centerfire rifle rounds will penetrate soft armor.

Most centerfire rifle rounds are also capable of being fired from a pistol.

Therefore, be aware that this is one of the early steps to severely restricting ALL ammunition.

Gun control doesn't matter, if you have ammo control instead.

The seriously crazy thing is that the founding fathers wanted all men armed and equipped with military weapons and ammo for militia service, and the Miller vs. US SCOTUS decision legalized NFA weapons restrictions because a sawed-off shotgun was not considered a military weapon. Up till that point, you could buy a Thompson or a BAR just like a .22 rifle, or cut your rifle or shotgun barrel down to nothing without any Federal violation.

TR

[mugwump]

A couple of guys whose opinion I respect predicted this move when the AR pistols were introduced several years ago. Radway Green M855 on stripper clips/bandoliers was $127/840rd can in pallet lots at the time.

An import ban on Russian 7.62x39 is just a signature away. My guess is it'll be part of Ukraine sanctions.

[Golf1echo]

Why do we worry about whats going on with our government today? This is a very disturbing clip...http://cnsnews.com/video/cnsnews/rep...posed-ammo-ban

Refering to the ATF rep WHAT A JOKE!

[Toaster]

It appears that the overwhelming response to the proposed ban has been repealed.



Quote:
"After an unprecedented response, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms has temporarily pulled its proposal to ban common AR-15 M885 "green tip" ammunition.


You spoke, we listened. @ATFHQ plans more study on the proposed AP Ammo exemption framework. See more http://t.co/SmRKMYvw7J
— ATF HQ (@ATFHQ) March 10, 2015




"Although ATF endeavored to create a proposal that reflected a good faith interpretation of the law and balanced the interests of law enforcement, industry, and sportsmen, the vast majority of the comments received to date are critical of the framework, and include issues that deserve further study," an ATF press release states (emphasis mine). "Accordingly, ATF will not at this time seek to issue a final framework. After the close of the comment period, ATF will process the comments received, further evaluate the issues raised therein, and provide additional open and transparent process (for example, through additional proposals and opportunities for comment) before proceeding with any framework."

Members on both sides of the aisle in Congress have also been highly critical of the proposal, along with the National Rifle Association and the National Shooting Sports Foundation. The Bureau received extra scrutiny last week when it was discovered the new ATF 2014 Regulation Guidebook did not include an exemption for AR-15 "green tip" ammunition as "armor piercing." ATF has said the Regulation Guidebook will be updated to include the exemption.

ATF released the proposal in February for public comment, citing law enforcement safety as justification for the ban. A timeline for "further study" of the proposed ban has not been issued.

“After much pressure from a large, bipartisan majority in the House of Representatives, I am pleased that the Obama Administration has abandoned its attack on the Second Amendment. Congress will continue to steadfastly protect the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens and it is entirely inappropriate for President Obama to stretch his regulatory authority to implement partisan policies that Congress has refused to enact. Such an abuse of power would impact many law-abiding gun owners and restrict the American people’s ability to legally and responsibly exercise their Second Amendment rights," House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) said in a statement. “I and other members of the House Judiciary Committee will continue to keep a watchful eye on the Obama Administration so that we protect Americans’ constitutional rights. We cannot allow the President of the United States to infringe upon the Second Amendment rights afforded to all Americans.”

Despite the reversal, ATF will continue taking public comments about this proposal through March 16. "Green tip" ammunition is safe, for now. "


Source;

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...ition-n1968508

[tom kelly]

Write your congressional representatives to pass a bill to de-fund the BTAF. Reduce redundant Gov. Agencies. ALSO the worthless Agencies; The IRS, a flat tax could replace that bloated,useless, inefficient group of idiots. Homeland Security is another joke, just look at the border security in the south west of the United States; The TSA should be eliminated simply because more & more of the TSA agents are being arrested for theft of luggage, so now TSA needs an internal police force to keep stealing at a "reasonable level." The ultra liberal left; "Progressive Liberals" as they liked to be called are destroying this country....IMPEACH & CONVICT BARRY aka BHO. Tom Kelly

[Qdini]

Not a repeal. They simply delayed the decision until the public input period is up in two weeks. They've already printed the new "regulation" anyway. "Oops, it was a simple mistake, we'll get right on correcting it in the next edition."

So:
1) Close the last lead mine in the US.
2) Restrict importing lead as it's a toxic substance.
3) Ban all ammo imports from Russia.
4) Make non-lead core bullets illegal as "Armour piercing".
5) Control the two most popular calibers of ammo; .22 and .223
6) Raise the price of ammo at least threefold.

The good news is, "If you like your firearms, you can keep your firearms." They'll just be hanging on the wall because you won't be able to buy bullets.

Does anyone see a trend here?

I bet ole Tom Jefferson is turning over in his grave.
Didn't one King get his butt kicked over similar actions?