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Old 02-07-2015, 07:21   #1
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Remember Dracula??

There has been a lot of Christian vs Muslim conquest & battles talk lately.

Who was the bad guy?

Well it's not an easy question.

The phrase "Prisoner of War" was first coined in 1660. Prior to that, war was binary. You won,, you killed the vanquished. You lost, you die. No wounded warriors or field hospitals, no prisoner camps..

There were a few exceptions. If your daddy had lots of money, you could be ransomed,, or your head was sent home in a bag.

SO,, Both sides were, in today's PC world,, very very crude and extremely barbaric.

Case in point: Remember Count Dracula?? He was real. His nick name was Vlad in Impaler.

Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia (1431–1476/77), was a member of the House of Drăculești. Ref the attached map: See the area across from the boot of Italy. That is were Vlad lived and died fighting the Muslim invaders.

He earned his nick name because he, like others of his ilk, killed the vanquished. He liked to line the roads with their bodies on a pike. Ergo, Vlad the Impaler..

He and all of his family met similar fates..

Karma payback sucks..

quote: "In 1459, Pope Pius II called for a new crusade against the Ottomans, at the Congress of Mantua. In this crusade, the main role was to be played by Matthias Corvinus, son of John Hunyadi (János Hunyadi), the King of Hungary. To this effect, Matthias Corvinus received from the Pope 40,000 golden coins, an amount that was thought to be enough to gather an army of 12,000 men and purchase 10 Danube warships. In this context, Vlad allied himself with Matthias Corvinus, with the hope of keeping the Ottomans out of the country (Wallachia was claimed as a part of the Ottoman Empire by Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror).

Later that year, in 1459, Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II sent envoys to Vlad to urge him to pay a delayed tribute[11] of 10,000 ducats and 500 recruits into the Ottoman forces. Vlad refused, because if he had paid the 'tribute', as the tax was called at the time, it would have meant a public acceptance of Wallachia as part of the Ottoman Empire. Vlad, like most of his predecessors and successors, maintained the goal of keeping Wallachia independent. Vlad had the Turkish envoys killed on the pretext that they had refused to raise their "hats" to him, by nailing their turbans to their heads."

The Crusaders did not do a good job destroying the Muslim invaders, as we are another 600 yrs into this frickis and still have no end in sight.

Jump foreword to the British wars in Afghanistan of the mid-1800's.

In Rudyard Kipling's 1845(circa) poem The Young British Soldier, last set

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!"

He is talking about Muslim women killing the wounded,, NO PRISONERS.

This is still the case for ISIS and the other Muslin terrorist, while the rest of the world has moderated somewhat.

Net Net,, pointing out the barbaric escapades of one combatant has to be tempered with living in a glass house,, and stones,, thrown haphazardly,, with gusto??

PS: The map shows the areas invaded by both sides. I'm pretty sure the Muslim red dots out number the Christian red dots. But I would encourage those that are in doubt to count the dots..

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Old 02-07-2015, 12:06   #2
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Great mini history lesson.

This reminds me of some further history shared on here many moons back.
But for the life of me I can't find it via search.

I vaguely recall the Knights of something at the battle of (I want to say) Crete. That, kept the Moslem hoards from the gates of Vienna? They all perished in the defense. Very pivotal battle of turning back the Ottoman hoards.

Jog any memories anyone?

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Old 02-07-2015, 12:16   #3
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Great mini history lesson.

This reminds me of some further history shared on here many moons back.
But for the life of me I can't find it via search.

I vaguely recall the Knights of something at the battle of (I want to say) Crete. That, kept the Moslem hoards from the gates of Vienna? They all perished in the defense. Very pivotal battle of turning back the Ottoman hoards.

Jog any memories anyone?

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The Muslims were defeated in the Battle of Vienna in 1683 by a combined army under the leadership of the Poles.

This is not really ancient history, folks.

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Old 02-07-2015, 18:34   #4
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Great mini history lesson.

This reminds me of some further history shared on here many moons back.
But for the life of me I can't find it via search.

I vaguely recall the Knights of something at the battle of (I want to say) Crete. That, kept the Moslem hoards from the gates of Vienna? They all perished in the defense. Very pivotal battle of turning back the Ottoman hoards.

Jog any memories anyone?

S
Malta. Read "Angels in Iron" for a decent recounting of the siege. Didn't have anything to do with Vienna or Crete, at least not directly.
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Old 02-07-2015, 21:08   #5
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Malta. Read "Angels in Iron" for a decent recounting of the siege. Didn't have anything to do with Vienna or Crete, at least not directly.
How the heck did you figure out what I was talking about....
You must be the "Vague Post Whisperer".
In my defense I had Crete, Malta, and Cyprus, to choose from.

Much appreciate the reference Peregrino, I've been searching the site for months trying to figure out which battle it was, IIRC it's historically pretty epic.

Anyway in reference to the OP, yet another heroic defense of Europe from the invading hordes.

Battle of Malta - 1565 - Wikipedia

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Old 02-07-2015, 21:55   #6
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You forgot Rhodes and Lepanto.
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History is very entertaining, but now it's our turn. How is our chapter going to read?

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History is very entertaining, but now it's our turn. How is our chapter going to read?

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Already written - check out Dante's Inferno...
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