Women in Combat?

[Pete]

Still wondering if the first female Ranger students will show up with the required Ranger haircut - or if that will be the first standard to fall.

[bailaviborita]

A female Psyop captain I know told me she has been up to DC to talk to the powers that be on this issue as a part of a group call for candidates . She is already ARSOF and runs marathons- so she seemed a natural to go Ranger or SF. She told them she thought the whole thing was a dumb idea- that women wouldn't improve the tactical ability of any combat unit except maybe in a very few cases - and attaching CA or individuals as needed would be fine. They asked her to try. Ranger and she said - no- that she and her husband were trying to get pregnant. She was then accused of not thinking of this historic moment to do something for her sex (by a female AF colonel). She said she told them it was attitudes like that that pretty much guaranteed that smart females like her would not stay in the military- that integrity and honesty are not true values in today's military. She said they dismissed her at that point...

To me equality - treating everyone the same- and military effectiveness have never been goals. It's always been a liberal agenda to get more women generals and colonels and break the male combat culture with the theory being that would result in less war, rape, domestic abuse, and murder . If they kill football then the same groups would be just as happy...

[Mills]

Originally Posted by bailaviborita

A female Psyop captain I know told me she has been up to DC to talk to the powers that be on this issue as a part of a group call for candidates . She is already ARSOF and runs marathons- so she seemed a natural to go Ranger or SF. She told them she thought the whole thing was a dumb idea- that women wouldn't improve the tactical ability of any combat unit except maybe in a very few cases - and attaching CA or individuals as needed would be fine. They asked her to try. Ranger and she said - no- that she and her husband were trying to get pregnant. She was then accused of not thinking of this historic moment to do something for her sex (by a female AF colonel). She said she told them it was attitudes like that that pretty much guaranteed that smart females like her would not stay in the military- that integrity and honesty are not true values in today's military. She said they dismissed her at that point...

To me equality - treating everyone the same- and military effectiveness have never been goals. It's always been a liberal agenda to get more women generals and colonels and break the male combat culture with the theory being that would result in less war, rape, domestic abuse, and murder . If they kill football then the same groups would be just as happy...

Interesting story.

Too bad we don't hear more about things like that in the MSM. That is what it will actually take in order to stop this, because I am willing to bet that the general public has no idea that this whole kangaroo court is taking place behind the scenes.

Not to mention the second and third order effects of policy implementation.

Just to throw it out there, has anyone written their Congressional Representative in regards to this issue?

[MtnGoat]

Originally Posted by bailaviborita

A female Psyop captain I know told me she has been up to DC to talk to the powers that be on this issue as a part of a group call for candidates . She is already ARSOF and runs marathons- so she seemed a natural to go Ranger or SF. She told them she thought the whole thing was a dumb idea- that women wouldn't improve the tactical ability of any combat unit except maybe in a very few cases - and attaching CA or individuals as needed would be fine. They asked her to try. Ranger and she said - no- that she and her husband were trying to get pregnant. She was then accused of not thinking of this historic moment to do something for her sex (by a female AF colonel). She said she told them it was attitudes like that that pretty much guaranteed that smart females like her would not stay in the military- that integrity and honesty are not true values in today's military. She said they dismissed her at that point...

To me equality - treating everyone the same- and military effectiveness have never been goals. It's always been a liberal agenda to get more women generals and colonels and break the male combat culture with the theory being that would result in less war, rape, domestic abuse, and murder . If they kill football then the same groups would be just as happy...

Of Course the higher to be would call her out and say she isn't what the Army or Military needs. She didn't go along with what they are wanting to do. Just like that CA/CST Female that wrote that SOFREP article over how women impact the ODA life. She said man and women impact on the ODA isn't what is needed on a ODA. Congress, DAHQ and MSM are all clueless and our military is full of spineless bastards.

[sinjefe]

Originally Posted by MtnGoat

Of Course the higher to be would call her out and say she isn't what the Army or Military needs. She didn't go along with what they are wanting to do. Just like that CA/CST Female that wrote that SOFREP article over how women impact the ODA life. She said man and women impact on the ODA isn't what is needed on a ODA. Congress, DAHQ and MSM are all clueless and our military is full of spineless bastards.

You're just a Neanderthal. At least that is what those self appointed elites will say.

[Box]

...if I was single and in my 20's I would be gladly supporting women on ODAs.


If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with!

[Old Dog New Trick]

Apparently putting women on submarines was a bad idea!

12 sailors implicated in submarine shower scandal

Up to a dozen sailors are suspected of viewing secretly recorded videos of their female shipmates undressing in a submarine shower over a period of 10 months, according to a new investigative report obtained by Navy Times. The scandal has marred the Navy's gender integration effort begun four years ago.

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/m...ects/20256393/

[Box]

...ha

The sub scandal is easily spun:

Start an in depth investigation Navy wide to ferret out incidents like this. Early on we can just Chapter 33% of the guilty Sailors from the Navy. Use trumped up charges if needed but a few of them MUST be kicked from the Navy to show that the military simply aint fucking around anymore.

Time the findings of the "investigation" so that the new Secretary of Defense can be in position...
Then so the new SECDEF can show that he is large and in charge we can swiftly and definitively take action- the poor command climate that MUST exist for this type of unacceptable behavior to have occurred in the first place cannot be ignored and the chain of command must be held acocuntable:

Lead Petty Officer for the Division...
...Relieved of Duties

Chief of Boat...
Relieved of Duties

Skipper...
Relieved of Duties

Fire the Executive Officer for good measure.

...then make a speech that the US military isn't a 'boys club' any more. This behavior is simply unacceptable. Leaders at all levels must be held accountable.
For good measure and visual impact, the families of the female Sailors that had their privacy invaded will be in the background with a special apology to American families for the behavior of Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen service wide.
America deserves an apology for the way the military has treated female troops during the tenure of previous Defense Secretaries.
This is real, and the new SecDef is gonna take point !!!!
We WILL eliminate gender discrimination in the military forever.


Then, once the smoke clears, the guys that got fired can all write books about the dark politics of gender integration and how they got railroaded out of service.

Everyone lives happily ever after.


Easy day.
What else do you got for me to spin?

[Old Dog New Trick]

Billy,

You forgot to add that a woman should be appointed and swiftly confirmed in the senate as the next Secretary of the Navy.

Maybe even one that started life as a man. At least according to the current Secretary of the Air Force.

[Box]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Billy,

You forgot to add that a woman should be appointed and swiftly confirmed in the senate as the next Secretary of the Navy.

Maybe even one that started life as a man. At least according to the current Secretary of the Air Force.

..one step at a time.
We can't do everything all at once; it throws off the effectiveness of Overton's Window.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Apparently putting women on submarines was a bad idea!

How so?

Richard

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Richard

How so?

Richard

It only increased the moral of twelve sailors.



But seriously, it probably caused distraction and has now led to a compromise in integrity and the cohesion of many. Where distrust for that reason and in that place hasn't existed since the H. L. Hunley was launched.

Created a problem where one had not previously existed. Question would be did those few women perform their jobs equally as well as the men they replaced or did they only create more work and a new command issue?

I'm not against women in the service and feel there are many jobs and positions where their impact on readiness and mission accomplishment is not compromised simply based on sex.

[tom kelly]

During WWII The Russian Red Army employed "woman" as sniper's against the Germans engaged in the battle for Odessa,and other engagements along the Eastern Front, Russian woman sniper's were effective in the 6 month long battle against the Germans at Sevastopol, One woman using a Russian Mosin-Nagant with a PU scope was credited with 309 kills. Of the 2,000 Russian woman sniper's only 500 survived the war, she was one of the survivors who visited the USA met President Roosevelt toured Canada and England. She returned to Russia studied and taught History until her death at age 58 in 1974.

[The Reaper]

The Russians were desperate and their backs were against the wall in WW II.

An urban sniper (or even an entrenched one) does not necessarily have the physical requirements that infantrymen or SF soldiers do.

TR

[WarriorDiplomat]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

The Russians were desperate and their backs were against the wall in WW II.

An urban sniper (or even an entrenched one) does not necessarily have the physical requirements that infantrymen or SF soldiers do.

TR

Absolutely correct TR, a 4 lb trigger squueze is not remotely close to the physical rigors of infantry type operations. The circumstances were much different and every country that used women to some success were countries forced into it through unique circumstances. Even the world of spies used women as in the infamous ratlines were out of necessity and circumstances not design. When countries want to project their power and must design this tactic they put their most impressive specimens into the spotlight in essence a ruse. In countries where the prospect of war is reality the image of the enemy can make all the difference in the world to whether or not the people will support the effort aggressively or reluctantly if at all.

As you have said before we drink this Kool aid the circumstances were in reality that we are talking about layers from the best, strongest, fittest soldiers available and were so dilapidated they were FORCED to use anyone who could pull a trigger. By the time this happened the enemy was dilapidated as well. Had the Russian military at that time used women in an equal role from the beginning the Russians would IMO been annihilated worse than they already were and the Germans would have owned Stalingrad instead of losing through attrition.