Ebola: "Out of Control in West Africa"

[NurseTim]

As far as doffing PPE, why don't they spray down with a 10% clorox solution! then take off the PPE? Tends to kill the little critters and cut down on accidental exposure, that's how I see it anyway.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

The CDC Director just stated that all you need to wear for personal protective gear in an Ebola patient's treatment is a surgical mask and one pair of gloves.

Does he know something that we don't?

TR

We know something he doesn't. He's an idiot.

Pat

[T-Rock]

EBOLA has gone airborne?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-1...al-be-airborne

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by mugwump

I agree that the hype is overblown. The average person has little to fear from Ebola. Healthcare workers, unfortunately, do have legitimate concerns.

Most of us visit a hospital at some point, and they're already a focal point of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. We don't need to be contending with a dangerous virus as well.

The problem is that this disease is likely to become endemic in the third world and there will be serious social and economic consequences.

Imagine the media if this was a high-mortality influenza and there were corpses in the streets.

All that planning works great when the patient calls ahead as was the case at KUMC, but what happens when the person doesn't call in and walks into one the many KUMC Urgent Care facilities or walks into the ER Admissions Desk, or they make an appointment and visit one of the many satellite branches?

At present HAZMAT gear is not worn by the staff and people come and go as they please.

If they keep it contained as they have everything will be okay, but it appears to me that it would not take a whole lot to overwhelm the system and potentially they are one person away from losing control. With the Flu season arriving those waiting rooms will be full of people with all kinds of symptoms.

And in all seriousness, when Flu season arrives it is not uncommon for Office visits to be 2 weeks out and if you feel you need immediate assistance you are directed to walk in to Urgent Care which opens at 5 PM or to the ER.


If there is anything to fear it is people like Tom Frieden who keep repeating there is no danger and we have it under control.


If my wife, who works at KUMC were to contract the virus, came home and infected myself and our two kids there is the potential to continue the transmission in two schools, several soccer facilities, various Home Depot & Lowes and a large number of households I visit each and every week.


Could it happen, Yes.

Do I worry about it happening, No.

Does it consume my thoughts during the day, No.

[mugwump]

Normal social interaction with the infected doesn't appear to be dangerous. Up to your elbows in stool and changing bed linen--dangerous.

[Go Devil]

Second nurse with Ebola.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/nurse-i...ry?id=26206090

[Sdiver]

So now that a second health care worker has been confirmed to have contracted the virus from 'Patient Zero', the question I have is ..... What about his family and those with whom he was staying with in Dallas?

What happened to them?
Where are they?
Are they in isolation somewhere being monitored?

They surely had a longer exposure time with Mr. Dalton them either one of these nurses.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Sdiver

So now that a second health care worker has been confirmed to have contracted the virus from 'Patient Zero', the question I have is ..... What about his family and those with whom he was staying with in Dallas?

What happened to them?
Where are they?
Are they in isolation somewhere being monitored?

They surely had a longer exposure time with Mr. Dalton them either one of these nurses.

Seriously "What Does It Matter Now?"

Until ebola affects a high level liberal, or liberal politician no one really cares. Even Zero was playing golf when the first ebola patient was discovered and even when he did find out he did nothing. Well except open the borders to allow the free flow of Africans in affected countries to visit America. And send 3000 "soldiers" to "fight" a virus....... brilliant move.

"If You Like Your Ebola You Can Keep It."

Campaign Slogan of the Democratic/progressive/socialist party....

[mugwump]

The markets are crashing, down over 2%. I just saw an interview with a Federal Reserve governor (Sixth District IIRC) who said they think the Ebola scare was the straw that broke the camel's back. Europe's a mess financially, China is slowing, the Saudis have started a full-blown price war and OPEC is in shambles, and there was disappointing news about the American economy this morning. All true. But at least one Fed official is blaming Ebola.

The start of the market crash coincided with release of info that the second healthcare worker diagnosed with Ebola flew on a Frontier flight the day before she was admitted for treatment.

Continuing their despicable MO, the CDC is blaming the nurse, saying she shouldn't have taken public transportation after caring for an Ebola patient. Other nurses on the team are livid, saying they received no such a directive...just assurances that there was minuscule risk that they could contract the disease.

Just goes to show how a "black swan" event can have an effect disproportionate to its true risk.

[mugwump]

Originally Posted by Sdiver

So now that a second health care worker has been confirmed to have contracted the virus from 'Patient Zero', the question I have is ..... What about his family and those with whom he was staying with in Dallas?

What happened to them?
Where are they?
Are they in isolation somewhere being monitored?

They surely had a longer exposure time with Mr. Dalton them either one of these nurses.

If they're really stupid they'll start to withhold info, citing HIPAA. Wouldn't put it past them; this hasn't been public health's finest hour.

[mugwump]

To keep things in perspective, about 50,000 people die of seasonal flu each year.

For you preppers out there, this is a fascinating exercise that's unfolding before us. All diseases exist in an ecological and sociological context. We're seeing how the media and the 24-hour news cycle contribute to that context.

I said it before in the panflu thread: cultures can generally hold things together until there are unprocessed bodies in the street. In 1918 there were bodies placed curbside in Boston, Philly, Chicago, etc, but the mortuary carts kept rolling and picked them up. There are bodies rotting in the street in West Africa -- that's what has the WHO spooked.

There's no reason for events to progress to that point in the US -- barring the MSM whipping public perception into a frothing panic.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by mugwump

If they're really stupid they'll start to withhold info, citing HIPAA. Wouldn't put it past them; this hasn't been public health's finest hour.

My wife cited HIPAA the other day and told me she could lose her job if she told me, if word traveled and if it came back to her.

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by Paslode

My wife cited HIPAA the other day and told me she could lose her job if she told me, if word traveled and if it came back to her.

Hopefully this wasn't in reference to an inquiry about a previously unnoticed rash on her person.

Well from my back porch I can see Tallmadge, Ohio. Now, it has been transferred to Cleveland and now Tallmadge. The male in question that is suppose to be quarantining himself in his own house is here fiance. Here family members work at nearby Kent State. The patient who is now infected had contact with patient zero. Accordingly our numnut Director for the CDC says she shouldn't have traveled because she was one of the 70+ who took care of patient zero. WOW, really doc?

The news says that all of the Summit County has been trained for this for decades. Really, I received my own suit and respirator and 8 hours of training 15 years ago? We in Akron, are not prepared for this if it should suddenly blow up in our face.

She, states that she took her temperature before the flight and after the flight and her temperature was circa 99.5. Personally, I think she is lying. Why would I say that she is lying? Well because she was not to leave Dallas or even travel. Now her mother, mother-in-law, and her fiance may have it and the only one of the three that are doing anything about it is the fiance. Her other members of her family which might include the other two are allowed to travel back in forth to Kent State and back to who knows where.

Oh, and the plane she flew on back to Dallas was disinfected supposedly twice before its flight to Denver that has already taken off from what I see on the news.

Supposedly, they (Summit County Health Department/CDC expert for Ohio) says that they are taking the temperature of the fiance twice daily.


Where is mugwump when I need him? Any other Docs here on this forum?

Now they have disinfected the concourse where the plane took off from and came in at.

My question to the Docs and mugwump is this. How do you disinfect an airliner twice in one day? They assure the passengers going to Denver have to be a little concerned. Cleveland just found out at approximately 0600 Hrs. this morning of her having full blown Ebola from Dallas. Akron was notified at approximately 1010 Hrs. today. I am just mystified on how you would do this and what you would use to clean the airplane. By the way, they moved that plane to a vacant part far from the concourses there and cleaned it.

Now they are saying that she has three relatives that work at Kent State and they (KSU) have asked them probably politely, please don't come to work. Still, they are trying to determine where these people have been including Amber Vinson within the last 4 days.

They are also talking about possible charges against Ms. Vinson if she lives.