05-09-2014, 12:14
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Hopefully people get from your article, everyone else can be haters.
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Thanks brother. It's in my nature to identify problems and advise on solutions.
Hell, I'm a highly trained adviser, no? 
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05-09-2014, 13:25
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Not to piss in anyone's cheerios, but if I join the army now, do I get to start as a Colonel?  |
Got a PM saying maybe, LOL
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05-09-2014, 14:18
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Actually It Would Probably Be Major Possably Captian
Drs Start At Major I Believe
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Dude, for me it would almost certainly start at Major General or possibly even 18D  J/K
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05-09-2014, 16:51
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Dude, for me it would almost certainly start at Major General or possibly even 18D J/K |
Let's not get too carried away here.
Some teams need lawyers more than Docs, BTW. 
TR
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05-09-2014, 19:15
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And there it is. Some courses receive substantial recommended credit, and others receive little to none. I was told it came down to how the plans and foundational documents of a course are written and conveyed upon submission for evaluation. If consistent in taxonomy, form, and language with what is familiar to those evaluating at ACE then it stands a better chance of being well received and granted credit.
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This seems reasonable, success is spelled WORK
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Not to piss in anyone's cheerios, but if I join the army now, do I get to start as a Colonel? |
How would you feel about moving down to the South? It might be a different Army though.
I put myself through school and then went into the service, I can see a lot of skills picked up in the service being handy to get through any college program. One incedent comes up for me when I read some of the posts. During phase 2 of the Charlie course a Sgt J... ran our study group at night up on our second floor off of Gruber. Besides making sure we were always up to speed he amazed me with his insightful simple ways of demystifying the math involved. It was night and day difference from Statics in Architecture School, he and fellow members had us all doing quite well, Sgt J... had never been to college. Intelligence comes in many forms.
I have seen articles about my degree being one of the top 10 worst degrees to get...I wouldn't trade it for the world and the gems came from a wide variety of subject matters.
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05-09-2014, 20:50
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Thanks brother. It's in my nature to identify problems and advise on solutions.
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What am I missing here? After spending years surrounded by male butt stink, you then get to college and the one class you want to opt out of is co-ed volleyball?
LHC
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05-09-2014, 20:58
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Actually It Would Probably Be Major Possably Captian
Drs Start At Major I Believe
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Boy, the Army docs I know that spent time as LTs and CPTs after med school are gonna be pissed when they hear about this.
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05-09-2014, 21:42
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...co-ed volleyball?
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You just reminded me that you have been derelict in providing me with continuing updated photos of Women's Beach Volleyball photographs. The season is upon us.
Pat
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05-09-2014, 22:18
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Anyway we seem to be getting a bit off track on the original point of should the colleges give more credit for military training. IMHO yes,...
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And that may well be your opinion, but the fact is that whether or not colleges give or deny credit for things like life or work experience, coursework from another college or institution, AP or EOC exams, etc, remains entirely up to the discretion of the individual colleges IAW their program requirements, their experiences with previous students, and the recommendations of the program directing departments themselves.
In lieu of that, are you (and others here) now advocating for some form of 'common core' standardized college credit awarding system? 
Richard
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05-10-2014, 07:02
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Boy, the Army docs I know that spent time as LTs and CPTs after med school are gonna be pissed when they hear about this.
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It was my understanding, years ago, that an MD coming into the Army started at an advanced rank. I am not talking about one straing out of med school but one with all his/her internships, and specialties behind them.
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I saw medical officers enter the Army at ranks from 2LT (med school needing internship) up to LTC (MD with highly advanced specialties and board certification). The majority (med school, internship, residency) came in as CPT and had to go through a short course at FSH to learn about the Army, MEDCOM, and how to (in very basic general terms and with mixed success) be an officer.
As with colleges accepting/denying credit, it varied greatly.
Richard
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05-11-2014, 19:24
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I saw medical officers enter the Army at ranks from 2LT (med school needing internship) up to LTC (MD with highly advanced specialties and board certification). The majority (med school, internship, residency) came in as CPT and had to go through a short course at FSH to learn about the Army, MEDCOM, and how to (in very basic general terms and with mixed success) be an officer.
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That is correct. My ex is an Optometrist. When she joined the AF, she was swore in as a 1LT because she hadn't completed school yet.
When she graduated a few months later and left for the AF and go thru the "Charm School" as they called it. she was a Captain.
At Tinker AFB there was a GP Doc that was brought on as a LTC. He had retired from his civilian practice, kids all grown up and he and his wife decided they wanted to travel.
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05-11-2014, 19:51
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My pediatrician left his civilian practice and joined the Army in his 50s as an LTC, IIRC.
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05-13-2014, 23:14
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In lieu of that, are you (and others here) now advocating for some form of 'common core' standardized college credit awarding system?
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The military and ACE already attempt that with the Joint Service Transcripts, though I firmly believe there is a dramatic difference between college-college transfers of credits and military-college transfers. Also, I know my JST is half-baked since most of my training wasn't evaluated by ACE for some reason (almost all of the Q-course except language).
If a college receives public funding, why would it be absurd to require them to accept training received at the federal level?
I've considered the analogy of interstate commerce since college credits could be considered a form of intangible private property that is awarded by private and public institution that can be transferred across state borders.
At the end of the day, the less time and money spent in college equates to more productivity in the real world.
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