More miltary get food stamps

[Last hard class]

http://money.msn.com/saving-money-ti...of-food-stamps

An unfortunate story.


LHC

[Box]

Just another example of the military being a burden on the system.

...our medical needs are too high, and now there are too many of us using food stamps.

One possible solution would be a pay raise 1 percent below the cost of inflation.
...and have them dead beat GI's go out and get a job just like everyone else.

[Monsoon65]

I remember my mother telling me that both times my father was in Vietnam, we were eligible for reduced school lunches.

She said she thought we were doing fine and turned them down.

[cbtengr]

Originally Posted by Billy L-bach

Just another example of the military being a burden on the system.

...our medical needs are too high, and now there are too many of us using food stamps.

One possible solution would be a pay raise 1 percent below the cost of inflation.
...and have them dead beat GI's go out and get a job just like everyone else.

This administration is actually boastful regarding the amount of folks on food stamps, just look at all the good they are doing. Look for the numbers to really rise after the RIF is over.

[abc_123]

There are no real conclusions to draw from that article.

However I will say that if you're in the military and you're 18,19,20 yrs old and you have dependents your financial situation is the result of personal choice.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Billy L-bach

Just another example of the military being a burden on the system.

...our medical needs are too high, and now there are too many of us using food stamps.

One possible solution would be a pay raise 1 percent below the cost of inflation.
...and have them dead beat GI's go out and get a job just like everyone else.

And don't forget the excessive cost of providing a commissary. Those overpaid soldiers should not only have their pay cut, but their groceries should cost more as well. Nothing's too good for the soldiers.

TR

[MtnGoat]

When I was an Engineer I was single, but would see guys in my PLT and Company that were 18-22 maybe 25ish that had 2-3 kids and the wife that was a stay at home mother and many still had both working. I feel, because of what I saw back then, that many come into the military for the good pay check, medical coverage and overall benefits. But most were on some kind of social program before coming in and being a PVT to PFC with 2-4 kids didn't change the fact of needing food stamps or getting off the programs. Most take them until they are a SGT to get off them.

IMO it takes leadership to lead their soldiers and mentor them about things like this.

[Mills]

Originally Posted by abc_123

There are no real conclusions to draw from that article.

However I will say that if you're in the military and you're 18,19,20 yrs old and you have dependents your financial situation is the result of personal choice.

Or maybe the new car with 22% interest. Personal choices are a bitch.

I remember I had a nice shiny new car when I was a joe as well. I delivered pizzas in lakewood WA on the weekends to make ends meet until my pay went up enough to get my income back in the black.

[Divemaster]

In 2014 an E-1 under 2 years time in service gets $1531.50 per month base pay. A service member gets paid 7 days per week. If you figure a 30 day month, he or she earns $51.05 per day. So in a civilian 8 hour day, that comes out to $6.38 per hour. No service member works an 8 hour day. How about a more realistic 10 hours? About $5.11 per hour. 12 hours? Make that $4.25 per hour.

Mr. President, I hear you want to raise the national minimum wage to over $10 per hour. Business owners say that will be a disaster. Since you are so fond of social experimentation on the military, how about just one more? Let's try your minimum wage experiment on the lower enlisted ranks of our armed forces.

You can lift them out of poverty and blame Bush for putting them there. Win for them, win for you. What do you say?

[Box]

...someone help me understand what the fuck is going on with the management of our nations most valuable treasure?


The Secretary of State is ON RECORD saying "...study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
...but sequestration and mismanagement of our treasury by the government has fucked up education assistance.

The first lady is on record saying her husband being elected is "the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country"
...and she said it twice, once in Milwaukee and once in Madison so it wasn't a one time gaffe.
Yet, people are accused of social and cultural sins if they offer criticism of the governments version of the "new way of thinking"

What does it matter; these things happened a long time ago and clearly they were just newspeak....
ooops... I meant "misspeak"

More discouraging is the MOUNTAIN of support that the military gives t politicians cut from this type of cloth




“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.”

Originally Posted by Divemaster

In 2014 an E-1 under 2 years time in service gets $1531.50 per month base pay. A service member gets paid 7 days per week. If you figure a 30 day month, he or she earns $51.05 per day. So in a civilian 8 hour day, that comes out to $6.38 per hour. No service member works an 8 hour day. How about a more realistic 10 hours? About $5.11 per hour. 12 hours? Make that $4.25 per hour.

Mr. President, I hear you want to raise the national minimum wage to over $10 per hour. Business owners say that will be a disaster. Since you are so fond of social experimentation on the military, how about just one more? Let's try your minimum wage experiment on the lower enlisted ranks of our armed forces.

You can lift them out of poverty and blame Bush for putting them there. Win for them, win for you. What do you say?

When I was an E2 base pay was about $100/month, I didn't need food stamps!!!

[1stindoor]

This is a big "hot button" of mine. Personally I can think of no reason why any AD Servicemember should be allowed to draw food stamps, SNAP card, WIC benefits, etc. How about a chain of command caring enough to ensure "Joe" knows how to properly manage his money and counseling him/her on the effects of bad judgement? As a 1SG I had numerous Soldiers come to me asking for my signature for AER loans, but still managed to have $100+ a month cell phone bills, $100 + a month cable/internet bills, cars they couldn't afford with insurance rates to match, and my personal favorite...a weekly bill to a Rim store for new rims on their car.

[Sohei]

Originally Posted by 1stindoor

This is a big "hot button" of mine. Personally I can think of no reason why any AD Servicemember should be allowed to draw food stamps, SNAP card, WIC benefits, etc. How about a chain of command caring enough to ensure "Joe" knows how to properly manage his money and counseling him/her on the effects of bad judgement? As a 1SG I had numerous Soldiers come to me asking for my signature for AER loans, but still managed to have $100+ a month cell phone bills, $100 + a month cable/internet bills, cars they couldn't afford with insurance rates to match, and my personal favorite...a weekly bill to a Rim store for new rims on their car.

Yes sir...you are correct. The problem is that that scenario requires "personal responsibility and accountability" -- traits that are sorely lacking today.

[Snaquebite]

I see that one of the biggest problems is that when "Joe" enlists he already had a wife and four kids.

[35NCO]

Maybe I am missing something...

I just do not see how it is possible even for that E1. What about BAS and BAH? Not to mention the incredible amount of sources for learning finance and budget at almost all ACS on most (all?) bases?

When I was a SGT and had my first child, my 1SG told me that I qualified for WIC. I was stunned. With what I was making at that time period it would have been criminal to apply for WIC. However, looking at just base pay, it appeared I made far less.

I agree, it is the individual choices. The CSM's and 1SG's normally drill E4's and E5's about all the support programs at promotion boards. All these poor soldiers NCO's are seriously failing them.