12-18-2004, 12:14
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Collateral
Pretty decent flick, actually (minus the cheesy ending). Cruise has done a couple good ones lately--this is starting to worry me.  There were very good gun handling skills displayed by Cruise's character in Collateral. Watching the extras, I found out why. Michael Mann (the director) hired the same weapons/tactics trainer he used in "Heat", Mick Gould, a former SAS guy. He did it right, training the actors using live rounds, not blanks.
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12-20-2004, 22:43
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Pretty decent flick, actually (minus the cheesy ending). Cruise has done a couple good ones lately--this is starting to worry me. |
Cheesy ending - but decent revenge scene! Not as good as the duct tape scene of Man on Fire, but still!
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Before seeing it I thought Tom Cruise was too pretty-boy to pull off a role like that, but agreed - very well-done.
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There were very good gun handling skills displayed by Cruise's character in Collateral.
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First one was the most impressive - in the alleyway with the guy who took his briefcase from the taxi and the other guy.
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12-21-2004, 01:39
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I saw this movie last night and I agree, the gunhandling was 110% better than standard hollywood fare.
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12-21-2004, 04:19
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Good shooting from retention in the alley scene, Mozambiques for the lot also...
Using a blade to to break the hold on him, acquiring the USP back and started put rounds on target.
Also shot the USP into slidelock, put 1 round in the target so he wouldnt espace, then putting a second in the chest and one to the head.
Cant remember a bad Michael Mann movie, Last Of The Mohicans, Heat and so on...
He actually seems to care that the actors look and act like they have it under control.
The series, Robbery Homicide Division that he recently put out, had the actors also training at a sheriffs range with Benellis and other issue weapons.
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12-21-2004, 05:56
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The series, Robbery Homicide Division that he recently put out, had the actors also training at a sheriffs range with Benellis and other issue weapons.
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I liked that show, but CBS didn't have it in a great time slot here in the States. To add to it Tom Sizemore elected to jack up a hooker or two (Heidi Fleiss) so his conviction on battery or whatever "happened" to coincide with the cancellation of the show.
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12-26-2004, 20:08
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Good flick, loved Cruise as the BG, much better than Last Samurai.
Did you guys catch the bad editing in the final scene, after the last gunfight?
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12-26-2004, 20:18
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I liked it.
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12-26-2004, 20:25
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Freelance?
Prior to the part when Jamie Foxx enters the western club posing as Tom Cruise's character he asks "How long have you been doing this?" Tom Cruise's reply is "Freelance? Six years."
From a character development point of view I wondered who Tom Cruise's character was doing this type of work for prior to becoming freelance? 
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12-26-2004, 20:35
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There was a bit where they mention ex Statsi and KGB. Maybe he was working for FSB then? Dunno. Cool movie.
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12-26-2004, 21:28
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Good movie.
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12-26-2004, 22:24
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There was a bit where they mention ex Statsi and KGB.
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Yep, I think that's it. I read some reviews that mentioned Mann and Cruise intentionally left Vincent's back story out of the movie. Made him appear more like an icy killing machine.
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12-26-2004, 22:33
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I have seen some former SAS guys with the worst weapons handling skills I have ever seen on a supposedly trained individual.
Also knew one who flipped a car while doing a demo for students.
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12-26-2004, 23:24
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Silly question, but what's the point of flipping a car during a weapons demo?
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12-27-2004, 00:06
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It was a driving demo by an expert flown in to teach an offensive driving course. The point is, he wasn't supposed to flip it, he was supposed to be demonstrating a manuever for the students on the appropriate way to escape an ambush blockade.
But he did flip it and the class had to wait while they dragged the wreck off and got another vehicle.
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12-27-2004, 03:44
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Originally Posted by Huey14
There was a bit where they mention ex Statsi and KGB. Maybe he was working for FSB then? Dunno. Cool movie.
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I think those agencies were just mentioned in passing.
From what i saw in the making of documentary, Mann had a story for the character from childhood, were he lived and went to school etc.
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