12-31-2013, 11:59
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$30,000,000.00 to fix that little hole? Give me enough JB Weld and duct tape and I can fix it a whole lot cheaper than that.
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That's just the hole. What are you going to fix all of the electronics with?  I bet that sailor soiled his laundry when that thing came through the wall. 
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01-01-2014, 20:04
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Anonymous sources indicate that Professor Falken was not aboard, but at his country retreat.
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01-01-2014, 20:07
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and some people bitch about the cost to run our Army....peanuts compared to the Navy and Air Farce.
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01-02-2014, 10:46
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It looks like KBR is hard at work fixing the hole.
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01-03-2014, 04:18
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Originally Posted by Badger52
Anonymous sources indicate that Professor Falken was not aboard, but at his country retreat.
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Great movie!
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Originally Posted by BroadSword2004
This reminds me of that Nazi battleship where it was supposed to be some super elite, ultra-tough battle ship, but it got knocked out of commission rather quickly because the Allies took out the propeller (apparently a design oversight).
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That would be the Tirpitz.
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01-03-2014, 12:30
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Great movie!
That would be the Tirpitz.
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No, actually, that would have been the Bismarck.
The Tirpitz was sunk in port.
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01-03-2014, 13:15
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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004
This reminds me of that Nazi battleship where it was supposed to be some super elite, ultra-tough battle ship, but it got knocked out of commission rather quickly because the Allies took out the propeller (apparently a design oversight).
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That would be the Tirpitz.
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No, actually, that would have been the Bismarck.
The Tirpitz was sunk in port.
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TR is correct, the Nazi Battleship Tirpitz was sunk in port in Norway.
Bismarck was sunk by the British as well. The "design flaw" wasn't the rudder persay but the fact that the Brits used Swordfish Torpedo planes. Bi winged prop driven, they flew slower than the new "radar control" anti-aircraft guns installed on Bismarck. The planes were able to slip in under this new radar and let looses some "fish". One of which damaged the Bismarck's rudder causing it to swing in circles allowing the British fleet to catch up to Him and sink Him in a heavy gun exchange as the ship was sailing into a French port for repairs from an earlier engagement.
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01-03-2014, 18:48
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Bottom line - is it hubris or simply criminal incompetence that naval architects and ship design bureaus appear to have completely forgotten the battle damage lessons of WWII? From WWII ships suffering kamikaze attacks and continuing to steam to one of the most advanced surface vessels in today's USN being put out of commission for an estimated six months? We first saw evidence of the fragility of modern naval designs during the Falklands War in 82. This accident gives the perception that nothing was learned from those earlier encounters. WTFO? Hell - did a WWII cruiser even cost $30M?
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01-03-2014, 21:40
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Bottom line - is it hubris or simply criminal incompetence that naval architects and ship design bureaus appear to have completely forgotten the battle damage lessons of WWII? From WWII ships suffering kamikaze attacks and continuing to steam to one of the most advanced surface vessels in today's USN being put out of commission for an estimated six months? We first saw evidence of the fragility of modern naval designs during the Falklands War in 82. This accident gives the perception that nothing was learned from those earlier encounters. WTFO? Hell - did a WWII cruiser even cost $30M?
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Exactly.
The Falklands and the Brit destroyers and frigates with the aluminum and magnesium superstructures burning and magazines detonating was the first thing that popped into my head.
Or look at what happened to the USS Cole. No one thought of upgrading our armor after that either?
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01-03-2014, 22:00
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No worries, the POTUS has issued an order which should resolve the problem:
"Just plug the damn hole!"
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01-04-2014, 02:34
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Maybe this is just one of the new designs meant for the Chinese to copy? Or did personnel just grab the wrong colored weapon?
If it were my vessel I would find some of these desirable: Sea Wolfs, Mk 15 Phalanx CIWS, Technokontrols Maritime- Naval Armament Denfence, Reactive Armor, Standoff's, etc...? Or even netting...
http://technokontrol.com/en/products...l-armament.php
Note: Look at the Chinese vessel, looks like a Phalanx in the aft, wonder if we sold them that? 
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01-04-2014, 13:04
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The Falklands and the Brit destroyers and frigates with the aluminum and magnesium superstructures burning and magazines detonating was the first thing that popped into my head.
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Maybe it's because I've been involved with Scouting for 16 years, but I figured it was well known that magnesium is a fire hazard. WTF were they thinking?  That naval warfare is over forever? If so, then why even bother having a navy?
With that said, and seeing the current condition of the British navy, it appears that they already reached the same conclusion years ago. 
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