POTUS Address on the Syrian Comedy of Errors

[Javadrinker]

lmao

[Max_Tab]

Originally Posted by Javadrinker

lmao

That and the French. What does that say about us.

[JHD]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Kerry's now playing it off like he nuanced the relinquishment offer as a form of diplomatic technique.

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It is like the old SNL skit, "yeah, let the Russians do it! Yeah, that's the ticket!"

[hoepoe]

Originally Posted by Richard

What Vladimir has to say about it all in Pravda on the Hudson.

Richard



We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

Just like in he turned to a political solution in Georgia

[hoepoe]

Regardless what led to this, regardless of what is supported or not, the result is that the Arab world now sees Obama as weak. Arab mentality will naturally exploit weaknesses (not a racial slur, rather a cultural observation). Anyone that thinks Assad will relinquish his non-conventional weapons is sorely mistaken. The situation now is more volatile and much worse that it was when Assad was gassing his own people. Syria, Iran and friends will see this as a green light to do what they want; the all powerful American Superpower is no more (in their eyes) - not because Obama didn't attack, rather because he did not follow through on his threats to.

H

[Surf n Turf]

Originally Posted by hoepoe

The situation now is more volatile and much worse that it was when Assad was gassing his own people
H

Hoepoe,
You know this how ?
SnT

[hoepoe]

Originally Posted by Surf n Turf

Hoepoe,
You know this how ?
SnT

Because now Assad and the Arab world knows that Obama is weak (their perception), and that they will not be held accountable for their actions. Over and above this, Assad has now had weeks in which to move and hide his stockpile of chemical weapons. These weapons, and the threat they carry are the only thing keeping him in power and in his mind are his great deterrent/answer to the Israel nuclear deterrent. So now there is a dictator who has without doubt, used non-conventional weapons against his own people, who is totally unaccountable and together with Putin, has pulled the wool over the US leadership's eyes. The administration's (perceived) weaknesses in this will have a ripple effect with relations to the US's foreign policy. Assad will not give up his chemical weapons, even if he manages to hide a ton or 2, that's what he'll do, and he'll use them again.

As a result, the US is no longer in a position of power with regards to the Arab world. Arabs understand power, not Western logic, again, an observation.

H

[hoepoe]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

So lets say you are correct, and I do believe you and agree with your assessment of how the Arab world sees the president. How is that a direct threat to the U.S. and why should we intervene military in their civil war?

I never ever wrote that, what i wrote was that the situation is worse off now because the US President made threats that he did not follow through on. I never spoke on whether justified or how this relates to the US national security - however I will now - not acting after threatening does indeed detrimentally affect US national security. Where there's no deterrent, it encourages enemy states to act without fear of repercussion.

I will not address whether i think the US should interfere or not, but hey, if the US President threatens to interfere then follow through and if he's not going to act, he should keep quiet until he's considered all the options - that's where the failure is. This started unravelling a year ago with the chemical weapons/red line commitment, which wasn't.

President Peres summed it up well:
"The free world "cannot stand by when a massacre is carried out by the Syrian president against his own people and his own children. It breaks all our hearts," he said.
Saying "the intervention of Western forces would be perceived as foreign interference," Peres said the best option to end two years of tragedy in Syria "might be achieved by empowering the Arab League, of which Syria is a member, to intervene." "

POTUS's repeated errors in his ME policy demonstrate over and over again a gross misunderstanding of cultures, people, issues and challenges in the region. To be clear, my post is not critical of President Obama as a President or world leader, I greatly respect him as I do the US, but he simply did not walk the walk after talking the talk. Either be prepared to walk the walk, or don't talk the talk.

H

[miclo18d]

Originally Posted by hoepoe

Because now Assad and the Arab world knows that Obama is weak (their perception), and that they will not be held accountable for their actions. Over and above this, Assad has now had weeks in which to move and hide his stockpile of chemical weapons. These weapons, and the threat they carry are the only thing keeping him in power and in his mind are his great deterrent/answer to the Israel nuclear deterrent. So now there is a dictator who has without doubt, used non-conventional weapons against his own people, who is totally unaccountable and together with Putin, has pulled the wool over the US leadership's eyes. The administration's (perceived) weaknesses in this will have a ripple effect with relations to the US's foreign policy. Assad will not give up his chemical weapons, even if he manages to hide a ton or 2, that's what he'll do, and he'll use them again.

As a result, the US is no longer in a position of power with regards to the Arab world. Arabs understand power, not Western logic, again, an observation.

H

I think the point was, how do you know it was Assad and the government that gassed those people? There has been more than enough evidence from many sources to shed enough reasonable doubt on that claim by the, now suddenly hawkish, President of the USofA.

Should we now be Al Queda's Airforce? Do you really think that by bombing Assad, that we are helping the US? There is a reason why we didn't care about dictators like Saddam, Qaddafi, Mubarak, and Assad. They may have been brutal, but they kept the peace and they kept the oil flowing. Stop being naive about what US interests are, at least the US as We the People are concerned. Anything our president is doing has something attached to it. Creating more Lybias and Egypts? We see how that worked out. Don't be fooled, this IS about regime change. This IS about the "Arab spring" and Muslim extremist revolution.

[hoepoe]

Originally Posted by miclo18d

I think the point was, how do you know it was Assad and the government that gassed those people? There has been more than enough evidence from many sources to shed enough reasonable doubt on that claim by the, now suddenly hawkish, President of the USofA.

Should we now be Al Queda's Airforce? Do you really think that by bombing Assad, that we are helping the US? There is a reason why we didn't care about dictators like Saddam, Qaddafi, Mubarak, and Assad. They may have been brutal, but they kept the peace and they kept the oil flowing. Stop being naive about what US interests are, at least the US as We the People are concerned. Anything our president is doing has something attached to it. Creating more Lybias and Egypts? We see how that worked out. Don't be fooled, this IS about regime change. This IS about the "Arab spring" and Muslim extremist revolution.

I don't care about who used it TBH, i care that these weapons are there and crazies have access to them (and that without a doubt, were created to be used against me, my family and my countrymen). President Obama rattled his sabre and promptly sheathed it, that's my point, the rest is white noise. The administration expects anyone now to take this seriously after the Syria commedy, it's a laugh - http://nypost.com/2013/09/16/obamas-new-red-line-iran/

As for the political debate on US interests, Sir (respectfully), that is not my point, my point is if one threatens to act, they should act or be perceived as weak. My discussion is not about if an attack should happen, not about who is right or who is wrong; not at all, it's simply that the Obama Administration is making repeat mistakes that indicate a gross misunderstanding of the Middle East and this in itself is weakening the US's leverage in the region. Appeasing demands in Arab cultures is a foolproof recipe for failure.

Respectfully,

Hoepoe

[Surf n Turf]

Originally Posted by hoepoe

i care that these weapons are there and crazies have access to them (and that without a doubt, were created to be used against me, my family and my countrymen).

"Crazies" had access long before Øbama developed his latest foot in mouth syndrome.
I find it curious that this has suddenly become "America's problem", with the "rebels" (AQ) and Israel cheering our administration on.

SnT

[miclo18d]

Originally Posted by hoepoe

I don't care about who used it TBH, i care that these weapons are there and crazies have access to them (and that without a doubt, were created to be used against me, my family and my countrymen). President Obama rattled his sabre and promptly sheathed it, that's my point, the rest is white noise. The administration expects anyone now to take this seriously after the Syria commedy, it's a laugh - http://nypost.com/2013/09/16/obamas-new-red-line-iran/

As for the political debate on US interests, Sir (respectfully), that is not my point, my point is if one threatens to act, they should act or be perceived as weak. My discussion is not about if an attack should happen, not about who is right or who is wrong; not at all, it's simply that the Obama Administration is making repeat mistakes that indicate a gross misunderstanding of the Middle East and this in itself is weakening the US's leverage in the region. Appeasing demands in Arab cultures is a foolproof recipe for failure.

Respectfully,

Hoepoe

i agree with you whole heatedly, however your yamika wearing brothers in this country drank the liberal cool aid a long time ago and were a big part of putting this schmuck in office. You want to keep Israel safe, put pressure on the American Jews to dump this Chiam Yankel!

[Max_Tab]

Syria Analyst Fired Over False Academic Creds Finds New Employment With

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ployment-with/

I don't even know what to truly think about this.

1. O'Bagy's article was used by Kerry in the hearings.

2.O'bagy is found out to not actually have a Doctorate.

3. The Wall Street Journal did not disclose her affiliation with the Syrian Emergency Task Force, an advocacy group for the Syrian rebels

4. She is fired and now she will start next week as a legislative assistant in John McCain’s office.

Just one more reason to hate McCain.

[Streck-Fu]

Obama lied about the chemical strike....LINK

‘The guys are throwing their hands in the air and saying, “How can we help this guy” – Obama – “when he and his cronies in the White House make up the intelligence as they go along?”’

An unforseen reaction came in the form of complaints from the Free Syrian Army’s leadership and others about the lack of warning. ‘It’s unbelievable they did nothing to warn people or try to stop the regime before the crime,’ Razan Zaitouneh, an opposition member who lived in one of the towns struck by sarin, told Foreign Policy. The Daily Mail was more blunt: ‘Intelligence report says US officials knew about nerve-gas attack in Syria three days before it killed over 1400 people – including more than 400 children.’ (The number of deaths attributable to the attack varied widely, from at least 1429, as initially claimed by the Obama administration, to many fewer. A Syrian human rights group reported 502 deaths; Médicins sans Frontières put it at 355; and a French report listed 281 known fatalities. The strikingly precise US total was later reported by the Wall Street Journal to have been based not on an actual body count, but on an extrapolation by CIA analysts, who scanned more than a hundred YouTube videos from Eastern Ghouta into a computer system and looked for images of the dead. In other words, it was little more than a guess.)

[Airbornelawyer]

I am sorry, but Seymour Hersh has zero credibility with me.