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Old 07-20-2013, 09:36   #166
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Then why formuate and execute E&E plans?

May take a while to set things right, but, in accordance with what you, The Reaper and others are driving at, it would be simpler if we had a herd of reps who weren't afraid to stand up armored with the truth.
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Then why formuate and execute E&E plans?

May take a while to set things right, but, in accordance with what you, The Reaper and others are driving at, it would be simpler if we had a herd of reps who weren't afraid to stand up armored with the truth.

Well the situation is grave and the circumstances are not likely to change as long as the game is allowed to play on. We are stuck in this process of campaigns, promises we'll be there and then once elected they are nowhere to be found.

The US is like one huge Battered Womens Shelter and the citizens have two abusive Pimp Daddy's the DNC and RNC to choose from. They both have a long history of bitch slapping us, yet we continually run from one to the other for the answers.

All we have to hear is Oh that was last time, I have changed and it will never happen again....I am here for you

The current political environment is one of serial abuse. If you have any sense of self respect you will grow tired of the neglect and you quit participating in the game.....that is the only way to end the cycle of abuse.


I think you have 2 legal choices:

1. Continue trying to work on the relationship, but with the history we have there are 99.9999% odds of relapse and continued abuse.

2. Walk away, terminate the relationship and work on finding something that doesn't abuse you.

And number 3, the Non-Legal, Do unto others as they have done unto you....but worse route.
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:07   #167
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RIP, Teddy. Here's one for you.

The binary code messages are great - the first refers to the article's author, the second refers to the GWOT, and the third refers to a USMC joke that's been passing around the Corps since it began Dec 2005 at FOB Hit in Iraq.

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Reaper Drone Found Not Guilty In Death Of American Teenager
DB, 15 July 2013

A U.S. federal jury has found an MQ-9 Reaper drone not guilty of second degree murder and manslaughter in the aerial bombing death of a young American teenager, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who was killed in Yemen in October 2011.

As the verdict was read, the defendant YIPPEEKIYAY-88 sat motionless in the courtroom with a blank expression, its onboard camera swiveling back and forth between the jury and its operator, Capt. Ted Slaughter, who would have faced charges as an accessory to murder had there been a conviction.

Outside, dozens of supportive Reaper and Predator drones, waving signs like “01010000 01100001 01110101 01101100″ and “01100111 00101101 01101000 01100001 01100100″, flew back and forth over the courthouse.

Awlaki family attorney Gul Haji Rachman gave a tearful speech to reporters, in which he vowed the fight was not over.

“Today, we are all Abdulrahman al-Awlaki,” Rachman said, as he donned traditional Yemeni garb of a zenneh, jambiya, and RPG-7. “This Reaper was clearly targeting this young boy, just walking around the neighborhood, minding his business with a bushel of khat,” he added, shortly before he himself was killed in a drone strike.

While the drone strike was originally written off by investigators as just another routine bombing, it gained traction following a massive public backlash. At one point U.S. President Barack Obama gave a televised address, vowing “to get to the bottom of this” and exclaiming, “If I had a son, he’d look like Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.”

During court proceedings, YIPPEEKIYAY-88 maintained its innocence, saying that Awlaki had attacked it first, and displaying pictures of its cracked camera as proof that it was acting in self-defense.

“01010111 01100001 01100111 01101110 01100101 01110010 00100000 01101100 01101111 01110110 01100101 01110011 00100000 01100011 01101111 01100011 01101011,” it said while being cross-examined, prompting prosecuting attorney Maria Markovic to demand, “And how exactly is that relevant?”

The prosecution called the drone a “wannabe vigilante,” arguing that it had no business flying over another country with its own army and police force. They also played tapes of YIPPEEKIYAY-88′s operator calling Langley, Va. to report his suspicions of al-Awlaki — at one point muttering, “fucking terrorists” — which some see as a clear case of profiling.

“We see a lot of suspicious activity patrolling over Yemen, sure,” Capt. Slaughter said in an interview with police, “but this kid was acting really strange. He was peering into mud huts, walking around aimlessly, and appeared to be speaking in Arabic: clearly up to no good.”

“When YIPPEEKIYAY-88 told me it was going out of his flight path to pursue him, I told it, ‘you don’t need to do that.’ We can always hit him on the way back to base.”

The trial itself was relatively brief: just three weeks of testimony. Legal experts also believe the prosecution’s case fell apart after a key witness was tragically incinerated by a 500 lb bomb while sitting in her bathtub.

At press time, the father of Awlaki could not be reached for comment.


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Old 07-22-2013, 11:09   #168
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I think Big Teddy would've liked this turn of events...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimm...ew?id=19735432

George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue someone who was trapped in an overturned truck, police said today.

Sanford Police Department Capt. Jim McAuliffe told ABC News that Zimmerman "pulled an individual from a truck that had rolled over" at the intersection of a Florida highway last week. Florida Highway Patrol is now handling the case, McAuliffe said.

The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route 417, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where he shot Martin.

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Old 07-22-2013, 21:31   #169
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You think we'll be seeing a Presidential Medal of Freedom for this outstanding citizen anytime soon?

Anyone remember the old Twilight Zone episode - The Obsolete Man?
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:04   #170
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Folks had fun all day on twitter with the GZ rescue story. Using the hashtag #MSNBCTonight, they tweeted out hilarious guesses as to how MSNBC would attempt to re-spin GZ heroics in their nighttime programs.

Twitchy wrote about it: http://tinyurl.com/mz593my

Some favorites:
  • Obama and Holder now urging legislators to make sure Zimmerman can never rescue people again.

  • If only Florida had repealed its "Good Samaritan" law we could have skipped covering Zimmerman's truck heroics.

  • BREAKING: George Zimmerman makes second appearance after acquittal and delivers the #RoyalBaby.

  • I was always taught if a creepy cracka approaches you & asks you to fake a car accident for him for money, you just say no.

  • Would truck have overturned if Zimmerman had not been following it?

  • What really gets me is that the same people that believe the media's portrayal of Zimmerman as a racist now won't believe the same media.

  • On #MSNBCTonight Obama talks about his truck accident 35 years ago.

  • Zimmerman acts out crazed fireman fantasy in broad daylight. Maddow asks if he can be stopped.

  • Al Sharpton asks "What was that racist cracker doing running that truck off the road in the first place."

  • Car Rescues: Zimmerman 1, Kennedy 0

  • No evidence that Zimmerman is a racist, but solid evidence he is a genuinely good guy. Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, CNN, MSNBC hardest hit.
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Old 07-23-2013, 06:34   #171
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A provocative and passionate message from Bill O'Reilly to President Obama - I don't always agree with O'Reilly but IMO he makes some solid points regarding this complicated issue in his brief monologue at link below.

July 22, 2013
President Obama and the race problem
Talking Points 7/22

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html
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Old 07-23-2013, 07:54   #172
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A provocative and passionate message from Bill O'Reilly to President Obama - I don't always agree with O'Reilly but IMO he makes some solid points regarding this complicated issue in his brief monologue at link below.

July 22, 2013
President Obama and the race problem
Talking Points 7/22

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html
I agree with you. I like Bill O'Reilly, don't always agree with him and think he is sometimes over the top, but I think he was spot on in this message. This commentary was fair and balanced. It is also the same thing Bill Cosby has been saying about his own race for years. Jackson, Sharpton, and POTUS should listen and take heed.
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You won't see this on the mainstream media:

6:22

Trayvon, with his hoodie up, grabs two items from the shelves of 7-11. One is the Skittles. The other is Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail. The media avoid the name of the real drink -- possibly because of the racial implications of the word "watermelon," but possibly to avoid probing the real reason for Trayon's trip.

Trayvon, in fact, had become a devotee of the druggy concoction known as "Lean," also known in southern hip-hop culture as "Sizzurp" and "Purple Drank." Lean consists of three basic ingredients -- codeine, a soft drink, and candy. If his Facebook postings are to be believed, Trayvon had been using Lean since at least June 2011.

On June 27, 2011, Trayvon asks a friend online, "unow a connect for codien?" He tells the friend that "robitussin nd soda" could make "some fire ass lean." He says, "I had it before" and that he wants "to make some more." On the night of February 26, if Brandy had some Robitussin at home, Trayvon had just bought the mixings for one "fire ass lean" cocktail.
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You won't see this on the mainstream media:

6:22

Trayvon, with his hoodie up, grabs two items from the shelves of 7-11. One is the Skittles. The other is Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail. The media avoid the name of the real drink -- possibly because of the racial implications of the word "watermelon," but possibly to avoid probing the real reason for Trayon's trip.

Trayvon, in fact, had become a devotee of the druggy concoction known as "Lean," also known in southern hip-hop culture as "Sizzurp" and "Purple Drank." Lean consists of three basic ingredients -- codeine, a soft drink, and candy. If his Facebook postings are to be believed, Trayvon had been using Lean since at least June 2011.

On June 27, 2011, Trayvon asks a friend online, "unow a connect for codien?" He tells the friend that "robitussin nd soda" could make "some fire ass lean." He says, "I had it before" and that he wants "to make some more." On the night of February 26, if Brandy had some Robitussin at home, Trayvon had just bought the mixings for one "fire ass lean" cocktail.
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George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue someone who was trapped in an overturned truck, police said today.

Sanford Police Department Capt. Jim McAuliffe told ABC News that Zimmerman "pulled an individual from a truck that had rolled over" at the intersection of a Florida highway last week. Florida Highway Patrol is now handling the case, McAuliffe said.

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Your sense of smell really has improved now hasn't it Bro?
Yea, I could smell BS from a mile away before, now I can smell it from anywhere in the world. Splints come out tomorrow!
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He is a man for all occasions, a pitch man, one that will lock on to any story to get some face time to push an agenda......but those agendas are just a means of achieving his agenda.
Here's a different view of the POTUS' actions on this.

The President took a political risk because the spiritual and moral risk of not speaking to black pain was too great.

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Viewpoint: The Bravery of Obama’s Trayvon Speech
Toure', Time, 23 July 2013

The political risks in the President speaking at length about Trayvon Martin and his feelings about the continuing challenges of being a black man in modern America were innumerable.

This is radioactive stuff. It doesn’t matter that he’ll never again be up for election. Obama still has years left in office and a hyperpartisan political environment to navigate. He’s become something of an invisible-hand President, often working back channels, because if he sticks a flag in the ground and demands action, congressional Republicans will then see greater incentive in defeating it. There was no policy proposal attached, but race remains such a key part of American political life that speaking about it so bluntly and at the same time with great nuance could widen the already vast political chasm. Validating black pain, asserting that profiling is real and saying that history is not an excuse but an honest part of why we are in the place we’re in are dangerous stuff when one party depends on a multiracial coalition and the other is almost entirely white and the demographic trends of America show whites becoming a minority within a few decades.

It was a treacherous speech politically because for one part of the divide the answer to black pain is: get over it, as Representative Andy Harris recently said. Racism is in the past, white privilege is a myth, profiling is a ghost: Doesn’t Obama’s election prove we’re beyond all that? The President knows better. He asked, in his 19-minute address, that black pain be acknowledged, that internalized bias be taken seriously, that history be understood as not done with us yet.

The assertion that blacks are hallucinating or making excuses or lying when we talk about the many very real ways white privilege and racial bias and the lingering impact of history effect our lives is painful. It adds insult to injury to attack all assertions of racism and deny its continued impact or existence. The right acts as though decades of rejection of the vast majority of the black electorate is evidence of some sort of plantation thinking rather than the inevitable response to the southern strategy and policies and rhetoric blacks find insulting. What do you mean “Stand your ground” or voter ID or immigration reform or the entitlement debate has racial tones? You’re injecting race! Playing the race card! It is like signal jamming: attack the transmission because you cannot win an argument that admits its existence. To these folks, George Zimmerman is a victim (several essays have spoken of all this as the lynching of Zimmerman). To them, race had nothing to do with this trial and now Obama has become the Race Baiter in Chief. Now he can be attacked on entirely new ground: as an apologist for black victimhood or a shameless stoker of racial division or maybe a neo–Black Panther.

Politically speaking, Obama took that risk because the spiritual or moral risk of saying nothing was too great. To have the microphone and the intellect and the personal experience and a community of citizens in pain — to have all that and say nothing would be a dereliction of duty. It would mean that the black President had somehow been cowed into not speaking deeply about blackness at a moment of national strife because it was, what, too controversial? Perhaps Zimmerman’s acquittal was the only verdict possible given the paucity of evidence and the jury instructions shaped by “Stand your ground” which give so much leeway to self-defenders who feel afraid even if, as the judge instructed, “the danger is not real.”

But Obama knew we cannot understand the pain many feel around this verdict by narrowing the lens and seeing this as an isolated incident, isolated from American history, isolated from American racial norms. We are in pain now because once again we’ve been told black bodies are worth less and we are not full Americans, and fear of black bodies is reasonable and it’s our problem to manage. Obama delicately touched on all that so there’s deep, cathartic power in the President reaching down for his perch to say, I could have been Trayvon, any of us could. And perhaps unsaid though, not unheard, is this: He could’ve been me. No one would’ve thought Barry from the Choom Gang would become President. Who’s to know what Trayvon would’ve become? I am optimistic about the brother’s imaginary future even as I admit that institutional racism would’ve been an anchor weighing him down. But I’m growing more cynical about my country. Even as a boy lies dead and a President says, I too have been profiled, part of the nation still speaks of race as a flimsy playing card they rebuke. Forgive me for wondering if Obama was right when he said we’re moving forward.

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Here's a different view of the POTUS' actions on this.
So says Touré, one of the New Grand Wizards of MSNBC writing in Time Online.
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:07   #179
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Some observations that may differ slightly from MSNBC's Touré.

Excerpts below - complete article at link.

Facing Facts about Race
Posted on July 23, 2013
From VDH - Private Papers

Young black males are at greater risk from their peers than from the police or white civilians.

by Victor Davis Hanson // National Review Online

Last week President Obama weighed in again on the Trayvon Martin episode. Sadly, most of what he said was wrong, both literally and ethically.

Pace the president, the Zimmerman case was not about Stand Your Ground laws. It was not a white-on-black episode. The shooting involved a Latino of mixed heritage in a violent altercation with a black youth.

Is it ethical for the president to weigh in on a civil-rights case apparently being examined by his own Justice Department? The president knows that if it is true that African-American males are viewed suspiciously, it is probably because statistically they commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime. If that were not true, they might well be given no more attention as supposed suspects than is accorded to white, Asian, or Latino youths. Had George Zimmerman been black, he would have been, statistically at least, more likely to have shot Trayvon Martin — and statistically likewise less likely to have been tried.

Barack Obama knows that if non-African-Americans were to cease all inordinate scrutiny of young African-American males, the latters’ inordinate crime rates would probably not be affected — given other causation for disproportionate incidences of criminality. Yet should their statistical crime profiles suddenly resemble those of other racial and ethnic groups, the so-called profiling would likely cease.

The president, I think, spoke out for three reasons: 1) He is an unbound, lame-duck president, with a ruined agenda, facing mounting ethical scandals; from now on, he will say things more consonant with being a community organizer than with being a nation’s president; 2) he knows the federal civil-rights case has little merit and cannot be pursued, and thus wanted to shore up his bona fides with an aggrieved black community; and 3) as with the ginned-up “assault-weapons ban” and the claim that Republicans are waging a “war on women,” Obama knows, as a community activist, that tension can mask culpability — in his case, the utter failure to address soaring unemployment in the inner city, epidemic black murder rates, the bankruptcy of Detroit, and the ways his failed economic policies disproportionately affect inner-city youth.

Attorney General Eric Holder earlier gave an address to the NAACP on the Zimmerman trial. His oration was likewise not aimed at binding wounds. Apparently he wanted to remind his anguished audience that because of the acquittal of Zimmerman, there still is not racial justice in America.

Holder noted in lamentation that he had to repeat to his own son the lecture that his father long ago gave him. The sermon was about the dangers of police stereotyping of young black males. Apparently, Holder believes that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Yet I fear that for every lecture of the sort that Holder is forced to give his son, millions of non-African-Americans are offering their own versions of ensuring safety to their progeny.

In my case, the sermon — aside from constant reminders to judge a man on his merits, not on his class or race — was very precise.

First, let me say that my father was a lifelong Democrat. He had helped to establish a local junior college aimed at providing vocational education for at-risk minorities, and as a hands-on administrator he found himself on some occasions in a physical altercation with a disaffected student. In middle age, he and my mother once were parking their car on a visit to San Francisco when they were suddenly surrounded by several African-American teens. When confronted with their demands, he offered to give the thieves all his cash if they would leave him and my mother alone. Thankfully they took his cash and left.

I think that experience — and others — is why he once advised me, “When you go to San Francisco, be careful if a group of black youths approaches you.” Note what he did not say to me. He did not employ language like “typical black person.” He did not advise extra caution about black women, the elderly, or the very young — or about young Asian Punjabi, or Native American males. In other words, the advice was not about race per se, but instead about the tendency of males of one particular age and race to commit an inordinate amount of violent crime.

It was after some first-hand episodes with young African-American males that I offered a similar lecture to my own son. The advice was born out of experience rather than subjective stereotyping. When I was a graduate student living in East Palo Alto, two adult black males once tried to break through the door of my apartment — while I was in it. On a second occasion, four black males attempted to steal my bicycle — while I was on it. I could cite three more examples that more or less conform to the same apprehensions once expressed by a younger Jesse Jackson. Regrettably, I expect that my son already has his own warnings prepared to pass on to his own future children.

Holder, of course, knows that there are two narratives about race in America, and increasingly they have nothing to do with each other. In one, African-Americans understandably cite racism and its baleful legacy to explain vast present-day disparities in income, education, and rates of criminality. Others often counter by instead emphasizing the wages of an inner-city culture of single-parent families and government dependence, and the glorification of violence in the popular media.

In the old days of the Great Society, we once dreamed of splitting the difference — the government would invest more in the inner city, while black leadership in turn would emphasize more self-help and self-critique.

Not now. Both sides have almost given up on persuading the other. Eric Holder’s speech to the NAACP might as well have been given on Mars. It will convince zero Americans that stereotyping of young African-American males and Stand Your Ground laws are the two key racial problems facing America.

Again, Holder may offer his 15-year-old son the same warning that his father gave him about the dangers of racist, stereotyping police. Yet I suspect — and statistics would again support such supposition — that Holder privately is more worried that his son is in greater danger of being attacked by other black youths than by either the police or a nation of white-Hispanic George Zimmermans on the loose.

Besides, two developments over recent decades have made Holder’s reactionary argument about black/white relations mostly irrelevant. First, America is now a multiracial nation. The divide is not white versus black. And as the Zimmerman trial reminds us, it is no longer a nation where most of the authority figures are white males. We saw a female judge, a female jury, and an Hispanic in confrontation with an African-American; today those of various racial pedigrees and different genders interact in ways that transcend the supposed culpability of white males.

Second, the attitude of the so-called white community toward racial challenges is not so much political as class driven. White liberals have largely won the argument that massive government expenditure must be infused into the black community. Yet they have probably lost the argument that such vast government investments have done much to alleviate the plight of urban black youth.

Stranger still, there is no evidence in our increasingly self-segregated society that white liberals stand out as integrationists. The latter increasingly have the capital to school their children far from the inner city, to live largely apart from inner-city blacks, and in general to avoid the black underclass in the concrete as much as they profess liberal nostrums for it in the abstract.

No one seems to care that the children of our liberal elite, black and white, go to places like Sidwell Friends rather than to Washington public schools, where the consequences of 50 years of liberal social policy are all too real. If Chris Matthews wishes to apologize collectively for whites, then he should have long ago moved to an integrated neighborhood, put his children in integrated schools, and walked to work through a black neighborhood to get to know local residents. Anything else, and his apology remains what it is: cheap psychological recompense for his own elite apartheid.

Just as Eric Holder preferred anecdote to statistics, so too I end with an unscientific vignette of my own. Last week I was driving in northern California with the attorney general’s speech playing on the car radio. North of San Francisco I stopped to buy coffee and two local newspapers.
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VDH article continued from above:

In one, there was a gruesome story of a young African-American male charged with ransacking a San Francisco jewelry store and murdering two employees, Khin Min, 35, of San Francisco, and Lina Lim, 51, of Daly City. The owner of the shop, Vic Hung, fought back and survived, despite receiving gunshot and stab wounds in the attack.

The suspected attacker had a prior record of violent assault. The victims were all of Asian ancestry. I don’t think their families would agree with Eric Holder that self-defense laws were the cause of such interracial violence. Nor would the six policemen who were fired upon by the suspect agree that stereotyping prompted this sort of mayhem.

Barack Obama will never suggest that the suspected killer physically resembles himself some three decades ago — and there would be no point in doing so. Nor will he admit that if Barack Obama owned an urban jewelry store and needed its profits to send his daughters to Sidwell Friends, he too might have become apprehensive when a young black male entered his store.

In the other paper, there was a strangely similar tale. Not far away, in Santa Rosa, at about the same time, two African-American youths in hoodies attacked another jewelry store, also had a shoot-out with the owner, and also failed to evade the police — though in this case none of the employees or customers was injured.

In such cases, too many Americans find there is a sort of tired sameness. The victims were white or Asian. The murder and robbery suspects were young African-American males. The violence was aimed not at acquiring food or clothing, but at stealing luxury goods. The armed small-business owners tried to defend themselves by firing back at their attackers. Had they been unarmed, both would have probably perished. In one case, the police were fired upon. The suspects had prior arrests.

And on and on and on across America each day, this same tragedy is played out of a small percentage of Americans committing violent crimes at rates far exceeding their proportion of the general population.

The world will long remember Trayvon Martin, but few people — and certainly not Barack Obama or Eric Holder, who have a bad habit, in an increasingly multiracial country, of claiming solidarity on the basis of race — will care that Khin Min and Lina Lim were torn to pieces by bullets and a knife.

And so the tragedy continues.

http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=6245

NRO contributor Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.
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