Terror across the pond

[Destrier]

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[MR2]

Originally Posted by Destrier

http://www.reasonorforce.com/

2007: http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.co...-civilization/

[dollarbill]

Gang members in the US can easily buy an illegal weapon off the street. Gangs exist in Europe as well, of course, though the average 16-25 year old delinquent will have a much harder time obtaining an illegal weapon. They may opt for knives or baseball bats instead. These can also be lethal, but kill less efficiently than firearms.

Another thing to consider is the Criminal Justice System. America is full of violent criminals that used firearms while committing crimes. These criminals are treated in a very humanly manner. Apposed to a much strickter (pay for your crimes) manner in other countries.. IMO this can accout for some thought process as to involve a fire arm or not.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Precisely; which he did easily by using registration mechanisms already put in place by a previous regime, and complied with by a willing populace.

FWIW, a thumbnail of the ongoing historiographical debate over the "willing populace" can be found in Richard J. Evans, The Third Reich in Power (2005), pages 113-118.

An overview of the role of terror and violence in establishing and maintaining authority in Nazi Germany can be found in that same work, pages 20-112.

Additional discussion can be found in Peter Longerich, Heinrich Himmler (2012), pages 147-251.

Candidly, I increasingly believe that taking a teleological approach to modern German history in order to advance contemporaneous arguments about the nature of this or the lessons of that has the potential to backfire.

[T-Rock]

Great Britain’s response to Koranimal savagery is shameful….

Woolwich attack: troops advised not to wear uniform outside bases

Commanders have advised troops not to wear uniform travelling to and from work or outside bases following the brutal killing of a member of the military close to Woolwich barracks….

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ide-bases.html

And the hits keep on coming from the religion of peace.

What really chaps my arse about situations like these is how the media portrays the perpetrators of savagery like this, as extremists, radicals, or fanatics, when in reality labels like this actually take away from the real problem, Islam, and its dangerous ideology. To say Koranimals who do these such things are fanatical, or have been radicalized, means they have taken something to the extreme which really isn't the case with Islam. They really haven't taken it to the extreme but they are doing just what Mohammad did, and the practitioners of Islam are required to be just like Mohammad, right?

Islam and its ideology needs to be marginalized, discredited, and disempowered.

> http://www.meforum.org/713/beheading...-name-of-islam

“Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah”
~Sura 33:21~

[MR2]

tel·e·o·log·i·cal [tel-ee-uh-loj-i-kuhl, tee-lee-]
adjective - Philosophy.
of or pertaining to teleology, the philosopical [sic] doctrine that final causes, design, and purpose exist in nature.
Sometimes, tel·e·o·log·ic.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by MR2

tel·e·o·log·i·cal [tel-ee-uh-loj-i-kuhl, tee-lee-]
adjective - Philosophy.
of or pertaining to teleology, the philosopical [sic] doctrine that final causes, design, and purpose exist in nature.
Sometimes, tel·e·o·log·ic.

Thanks! That was an entertaining 50-cent rabbit hole to go down.

Shaking the dirt off, I don't believe that governments intrinsically count & register firearms just for the exercise.

[mojaveman]

Didn't really read up on it until today. So they hit the victim with a car first so he wouldn't be able to defend himself? What a couple of cowards. Couldn't stand to watch the video of the perpetrator holding the bloody knives and bragging about what they did. I hope they both get killed in prison.

RIP Sergeant Rigby

[98G]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94O09420130525

French soldier stabbed while on patrol near Paris

By Nicolas Bertin
PARIS | Sat May 25, 2013 4:06pm EDT
(Reuters) - A French soldier patrolling a business neighborhood west of Paris was stabbed in the neck and injured on Saturday by a man who fled the scene and is being sought by police, President Francois Hollande said.

The 23-year-old was patrolling in uniform with two other soldiers as part of France's Vigipirate anti-terror surveillance plan when he was approached from behind around 6 p.m. and attacked with a knife or a box-cutter.

A police union spokesman said surveillance footage of the attacker showed him as tall and bearded, aged about 35, possibly of North African origin and wearing a white Arab-style tunic.

Hollande, in the Ethiopian city of Addis Ababa, commented on the stabbing to say police were hunting for the attacker but did not provide any details about his identity or any possible motivation for the attack.

"We still don't know the exact circumstances of the attack or the identity of the attacker, but we are exploring all options," Hollande told journalists.

Three days after a British soldier was killed in a London street by two men who said they acted to avenge violence against Muslims, the attack near Paris raised questions about a possible copycat attempt to kill a French soldier.

Interior Minister Manuel Valls noted the similarity in an interview on France 2 TV saying the attacker was clearly trying to murder his victim, but he added that it was too early to offer any theories.

"Let's be prudent for now," Valls said of the attacker's identity and motivations. "Everything is being done to arrest this individual."

Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told journalists near the site of the attack: "The soldier was attacked because he is a soldier."

Pierre-Andre Peyvel, police prefect for the Hauts-de-Seine area west of Paris, said the soldier had lost a considerable amount of blood but would survive, and was being treated in a nearby military hospital. He was not named.

Witnesses near the commuter train station where the attack occurred gave conflicting descriptions of the fleeing suspect. One asserted on TV that he saw two men fleeing, while another said the scene was too confused to tell.

Peyvel declined to confirm or deny any description and said further details would be forthcoming. A source said police would broadcast the man's likeness if no arrest was made soon.

France is on high alert for attacks by Islamist militants following its military intervention in Mali in January, which prompted threats against French interests from AQIM, the North African wing of al Qaeda.

The latest warning was published on YouTube a few weeks before armed gunmen this week attacked a military base and a French uranium extraction site in the central African state of Niger, killing 24 soldiers and one civilian.

Valls said France would retain its current terror alert level at "red, reinforced", one step down from "scarlet", which is only activated in case of a serious and confirmed attack.

(Reporting by Nick Vinocur, Nicolas Bertin and Sunaina Karkarey; Writing by Nick Vinocur; Editing by Andrew Roche and Mike Collett-White)

[tonyz]

Addition information in full story at link below.

Lee Rigby murder: Police make 10th arrest
BBC
27 May 2013
Last updated at 19:05 ET

A 10th person has been arrested in connection with the murder of soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich.

The 50-year-old man was arrested in Welling, south-east London, on suspicion of conspiracy to commit murder.

Police also confirmed an address in south-east London was being searched.

A 22-year-old man arrested in Highbury, north London, on Sunday on suspicion of conspiracy to murder has been bailed by police, Scotland Yard said.

Meanwhile, shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said ministers must put "more effort" into fighting the "murderous narrative" of hate preachers.

Four of those arrested have been bailed, two released without charge and four remain in custody over the killing on Wednesday.

Two suspects, Michael Adebolajo, 28, and Michael Adebowale, 22 - both Britons of Nigerian descent who are understood to be converts to Islam - remain in custody in hospital in a stable condition after being shot and wounded by police at the scene after the killing.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22679755

[tonyz]

And, it seems MI5 may have communicated with one of the killers. Britain forms extremism task force (second link below).

British Officials Knew Suspect in Soldier’s Death Had Ties to Al Qaeda

NYT
By JOHN F. BURNS
Published: May 26, 2013

LONDON — Britain’s security agencies appeared headed for a period of deeply uncomfortable scrutiny after the government said Sunday that it had been aware for more than two years that one of the two men suspected of hacking an off-duty British soldier to death on a London street had ties to Al Qaeda.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/wo...ays.html?_r=1&

After soldier's slaying, Britain forms extremism task force
From Bharati Naik, CNN
CNN
Monday, May 27, 2013

London (CNN) -- In the wake of an alleged terrorist attack on one of its soldiers, Britain is forming a task force that will examine the dynamics behind extremist groups in the country, Prime Minister David Cameron's office announced Sunday.

The group, led by Cameron, will "have a general focus on extremist groups, but accept that in practice the greatest threat is from Islamist extremists," a statement from Downing Street said.

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http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/26/world/...rce/index.html

[WRMETTLER]

I found an interesting article by Joyce Lee Malcolm, a law professor specializing in the English history and our 2nd amendment. Go here:

www.saf.org/journal/16/guncontrolinengland.pdf

She writes: "It was fear of revolution, not crime, that resulted in the first serious gun controls. In 1920, the government faced massive labor disruption, feared a Bolshevik Revolution and worried about the return of thousands of soldiers traumatized by an especially brutal war".

She goes on to describe the government’s goal of limiting one’s right to any weapon for any reason over the years in a series of secret Home Office communications to the police. The goal of denying one’s right to self protection ultimately resulted in limiting the right of ownership of all weapons, until now, one can’t walk the streets of England with any sort of defensive weapon (i.e, a pocket knife) as such is also considered an offensive weapon. She cites the case of Tony Martin a farmer who shot 2 burglars, killing one. Tony remains in jail and the surviving burglar was given government money to sue Tony for damages because he can’t work anymore.

It’s clear the English government believes that individuals in its society have no right to self protection and for decades have pursued that goal relentlessly. It has created a population that believes it is safer with only the protections of the government. And, this all started and continued in order to protect the government from its citizens.

She also writes that violence in England has risen since the last ban in 1997 with crime involving banned handguns rising 46% with all violent crime involving all firearms rising over 35%. Violent crime is not decreasing in the UK. Regardless of the cause, handguns are being used more and more in violent crime. England is a dangerous place as witnessed by the conduct of those killers after the murder. They stuck around hoping to kill some police. They had no fear. They figured the police would be unarmed and they could hack on them too.

However, the question must be asked: has the government's goal be accomplished? Is the English government safer now than before the first gun control law? Are English citizens safer?

The English get what they deserve.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by 98G

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94O09420130525

French soldier stabbed while on patrol near Paris

Just makin' his bones...Muslim style.

French Police Arrest Man in Attack on Soldier
NYT
By STEVEN ERLANGER
Published: May 29, 2013

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PARIS — The French police on Wednesday arrested a 21-year-old man described as a recent convert to Islam who they said had confessed to stabbing a French soldier on Saturday in a Paris suburb.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/30/wo...w-nytimes&_r=0

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by WRMETTLER

I found an interesting article by Joyce Lee Malcolm, a law professor specializing in the English history and our 2nd amendment. Go here:

www.saf.org/journal/16/guncontrolinengland.pdf

Good article - Joyce Lee Malcolm has contributed a number of articles referencing the 2A or the British experience.

Thank you for posting that one.