Obama walks back 'red line' stance on Syrian government

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by afchic

So what is your COA? We have a DoD that has been at war non-stop for 12 years. We have no hope of resetting our equipment anytime in the near future due to sequestration. We are cutting soldiers, airmen, seamen and marines from the ranks. So who do we send? How long will they be there, with what equipment. And oh by the way, with a citizenship who shows their support by putting magnetic ribbons on their cars. And oh by the way we are headed into another recession.

You are absolutely correct in that assessment. We do not have the capability let alone the will. This is, IMO, the assessment of the Iranians too. Let's hope that the sunni/shia rift is sufficient to prevent the Iranian expansionism as PRB seems to suggest. Maybe fomenting internal fighting might not be a bad idea. Keeps them preoccupied as we have been.

But drawing BS lines in the sand and backing down only emboldens our enemy. Somewhere down the line there is going to be a huge miscalculation on their part and we will be in it like or not.

Maybe the best plan is to withdraw, recover, rebuild, and rearm. Because there is no doubt in my mind there is going to be a come to Jesus moment.

First order of business - remove the Appeaser in Chief and make damn sure that "it doesn't matter anyway" HC can not replace him.

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

I agree with your statement it doesn't mean we should spill American blood because the current moron in charge opened his mouth. If anything it shows the world and his idiot followers what an idiot blow hard bullshitter he really is.

No it doesn't! They are going to drink the cool-aid regardless. The only people that convinces are the ones that knew it anyway.

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by PRB

Totally agree with that comment Dusty.......Here is what I and Henry Kissinger would do ...I'd back channel info to Assad that we'd support him, his concession would be to drop Hezbollah/terrorism antics and cool it with Israel. He gets to be the grand high poobah and that is all he cares about...he is not a religious zealot.
He'd just as soon kill Jihadi's as not, I'd give him the chance.
I would have done exactly the same with Saddam and that would have kept Iran in their box.
I'm concerned with US interests, Nation building in the Mid East is akin to Gay conception....with the same outcome.

THAT is F'n BRILLIANT I say PRB for President No shit Brother, that really is a great idea!

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by afchic

So you are willing to send US troops to another war, just because you think the POTUS is an idiot? Seeing as how it is me and my troops going, vs you who wouldn't be going, I am hoping we can come up with another solution than more American blood.

WTF are you talking about? Why would we have to go to war if no "red line" was drawn in the sand?

Don't put words in my mouth, either. I didn't call Obama an idiot. He's at least as intelligent as Eddie Haskell.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by afchic

So what is your COA? We have a DoD that has been at war non-stop for 12 years. We have no hope of resetting our equipment anytime in the near future due to sequestration. We are cutting soldiers, airmen, seamen and marines from the ranks. So who do we send? How long will they be there, with what equipment. And oh by the way, with a citizenship who shows their support by putting magnetic ribbons on their cars. And oh by the way we are headed into another recession.

lol "sequestration"? LMAO The only money that's been cut by sequestration is projected increases. The dems are cutting defense because they want to cut defense. They cut meals on wheels to make the Repubs look bad; same as the White House tours and the other BS.

Besides, sequestration was Obama's invention.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by PRB

I'm concerned with US interests, Nation building in the Mid East is akin to Gay conception....with the same outcome.

Now, that's right on the money.

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Dusty

lol "sequestration"? LMAO The only money that's been cut by sequestration is projected increases. The dems are cutting defense because they want to cut defense. They cut meals on wheels to make the Repubs look bad; same as the White House tours and the other BS.

Besides, sequestration was Obama's invention.

It doesn't matter whose frickin idea it was, it is the reality we are living. Within that reality we have constraints that make any scenario with Syria bad.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

First order of business - remove the Appeaser in Chief

The only way that's gonna happen is if he openly disses Beyonce at a party.

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Dusty

WTF are you talking about? Why would we have to go to war if no "red line" was drawn in the sand?

Don't put words in my mouth, either. I didn't call Obama an idiot. He's at least as intelligent as Eddie Haskell.

By that rationale, a red line has been crossed and we need to act. Who pray tell do you think is going to be called upon to act? Whether it be the CIA, the DoD, or any other of the alphabet soup agencies, putting ANY US lives at risk for a civil war that has nothing to do with us is a bad idea. But YVMV

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by afchic

By that rationale, a red line has been crossed and we need to act. Who pray tell do you think is going to be called upon to act? But YVMV

Hopefully, nobody now that he's capitulated and the world once again has learned to call his bluff.

BTW, what's YVMV?

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by afchic

It doesn't matter whose frickin idea it was, it is the reality we are living.

It isn't reality at all. That's my point.

The politicians are playing you warriors like fish, along with the civilians.

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Hopefully, nobody now that he's capitulated and the world once again has learned to call his bluff.

BTW, what's YVMV?

Your view may vary

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by afchic

Your view may vary

lol Thanks.

I don't think my view varies much from yours at all.

Let me analog it. If you don't want to fistfight someone at the beach-don't scrape a line in the sand with your big toe and write a crocodile check with your mouth that your hummingbird ass can't back up.

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Dusty

lol Thanks.

I don't think my view varies much from yours at all.

Let me analog it. If you don't want to fistfight someone at the beach-don't scrape a line in the sand with your big toe and write a crocodile check with your mouth that your hummingbird ass can't back up.

Agreed. But the flip side to that coin is maybe you are better off backing off instead of getting into a dick measuring contest that is going to leave you battered and bruised and unable to fight when it is REALLY in your best interest to do so.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by afchic

Agreed. But the flip side to that coin is maybe you are better off backing off instead of getting into a dick measuring contest that is going to leave you battered and bruised and unable to fight when it is REALLY in your best interest to do so.

Most definitely. That's why he needs to watch his mouth.

See? We're twins.