Slippery slope @ Columbia

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by WCH

Citing Clyde Warrior (RIP) who spoke of the plight of Native Americans all over the US, not just Oklahoma is cherry picking?

What does it say about me, beyond that I too believe strongly in human rights?

lol Why don't you defend the rights of the tribes that were displaced on this continent by the "Native Americans", then.

I used to think you libs looked at the world through rose-colored spectacles, but I've come to realize over the years they're actually mule blinders.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Who's we? I do. I'm talking about the liberaces being the ones who show disdain.

There are examples galore, Richard. Or are you being facetious?

And I would argue there are far more examples of people not showing such disdain than exhibiting it.

The value we place on honor (e.g., a vet) allows posers to pull all kinds of scams on people; the value we place on honor (e.g., honorable military service) is shown by the huge number of businesses who give discounts or waive certain fees for veterans; the value we place on honor is such that when somebody discovers you are a veteran, the nearly inevitable response is a heartfelt, "Thank you for your service" no matter where or with what branch of the armed forces you served; opinion polls of professions deemed to be "trustworthy, ethical, honorable" nearly always place our nation's military in the top 5 ranks (usually in the top 2); the value we place on someone achieving the rank of Eagle Scout (BSA) or the Gold Award (GSA) shows how much we value those honors and the view of their recipients as having great 'honor'; usw.

However, I realize not everyone values honor as a noteworthy trait - I don't fully understand why but doubt there ever has been a time in History in which everyone ever did. But to declare we, as a society, once did and no longer do is an unsupportable statement IMO.

However, YMMV - and so it goes...

Richard

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Richard

And I would argue there are far more examples of people not showing such disdain than exhibiting it.

The value we place on honor (e.g., a vet) allows posers to pull all kinds of scams on people; the value we place on honor (e.g., honorable military service) is shown by the huge number of businesses who give discounts or waive certain fees for veterans; the value we place on honor is such that when somebody discovers you are a veteran, the nearly inevitable response is a heartfelt, "Thank you for your service" no matter where or with what branch of the armed services you served; and opinion polls of professions deemed to be "trustworthy, ethical, honorable" nearly always place our nation's military in the top 5 ranks (usually in the top 2); the value we place on someone achieving the rank of Eagle Scout (BSA) or the Gold Award (GSA) shows how much we value those honors and the view of their recipients as having great 'honor'; usw.

However, I realize not everyone values honor as a noteworthy trait - I don't fully understand why but doubt there ever has been a time in History in which everyone ever did. But to declare we, as a society, once did and no longer do is an unsupportable statement IMO.

However, YMMV - and so it goes...

Richard

Here's a good example of lib honor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YrDwYNEyw8

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Richard

And Bill Ayers is your argument that his personal POV means we, as a nation, do not value honor? Hunh.

Richard

You're trying to spin my case.

Bill Ayers' extolling of Kerry's virtue in the act of throwing away the awards he received in protest of a war in which he was an Officer in the service of his Country is a perfect example of liberace disdain for honor, any way you want to twist it. Look where Kerry is, now-in a lib administration.

The Clinton experience harbors a treasure trove of examples for both BJ and Hil of the besmirchment of honor, as well, but it would be more expedient for you to google those up for yourself, Bro.

[Dusty]

One thing one has to admire about libs and their apologists-theyr'e stubborn. Even when it's as obvious as the sun that they're dead wrong, they keep on posing their ridiculous arguments.

Conservative: A guy shouldn't screw his own daughter.

Liberace: Why did you blowtorch all those blacks and commit genocide on the indigenous peoples of the Country?

What a freaking headache for a man in his right mind.

Originally Posted by Dusty

lol Why don't you defend the rights of the tribes that were displaced on this continent by the "Native Americans", then.

I used to think you libs looked at the world through rose-colored spectacles, but I've come to realize over the years they're actually mule blinders.

Which tribes were displaced by Native Americans in the in the post WWII era?

I believe your parents implanted mule blinders in your eyes at birth .

[ddoering]

Originally Posted by Richard

But to declare we, as a society, once did and no longer do is an unsupportable statement IMO.

However, YMMV - and so it goes...

Richard

And yet we are expected to believe that one native American speaks of the suffering of all the Indian Nations.......

[ddoering]

Originally Posted by Paslode

Anytime the 'Good Ole Days' is brought up the RaCiSm argument is in thrown into the mix to......it's like bringing up the NAZI's and Goodwin's Law applies

I knew we would get to the Nazis eventually. There are a few simularities between the immediate post WW1 period and today. An active far right, an active far left, and a government which does not hold the confidence of the majority. All it will take is one bold action by either side to launch us into a Freicorps type situation.

Enough from me. I gotta oil up the guns and scour the hatchet.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Who's we? I do. I'm talking about the liberaces . . .

oh goodie, a new label to track and this one appears to not only denigrate a way of thinking but now includes disdain for piano players.

I thought we were talking about a guy who boffs his daughter, or did but might not - probably doesn't anymore - a few years ago and who used to work at Columbia but doesn't anymore. But, because she is an adult and it takes place behind the closed doors of a residence it really isn't any of our business (except somehow it's not behind closed doors) or regardless of personal freedoms there are something's that just should not be done. Unless they were done in the good old days when things were so much better.

I love this place.

[sinjefe]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

oh goodie, a new label to track and this one appears to not only denigrate a way of thinking but now includes disdain for piano players.

I thought we were talking about a guy who boffs his daughter, or did but might not - probably doesn't anymore - a few years ago and who used to work at Columbia but doesn't anymore. But, because she is an adult and it takes place behind the closed doors of a residence it really isn't any of our business (except somehow it's not behind closed doors) or regardless of personal freedoms there are something's that just should not be done. Unless they were done in the good old days when things were so much better.

I love this place.

In the abstract, I would agree that what happens behind closed doors is none of anyones business (as long as people are of the age of consent). However, in the case of incest, there is the likely by-product of children being born with severe birth defects of varying types. I think society has a vested interest in drawing some line on behavior, especially if society at large may have to bear the economic burden of dealing with the children born of incestuous relationships.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by WCH

I believe your parents implanted mule blinders in your eyes at birth .

Well, to stay on topic, at least my granddaddy and my daddy weren't the same dude.

Originally Posted by ddoering

And yet we are expected to believe that one native American speaks of the suffering of all the Indian Nations.......

I didn't say he did. He was however speaking for more than just himself when he spoke before the President’s National Advisory Commission on Rural Poverty, in 1967.

[Dusty]

C'mon, Dozer; Richard. I laid that one up for you like a fried egg.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Dusty

You're trying to spin my case.

Bill Ayers' extolling of Kerry's virtue in the act of throwing away the awards he received in protest of a war in which he was an Officer in the service of his Country is a perfect example of liberace disdain for honor, any way you want to twist it. Look where Kerry is, now-in a lib administration.

The Clinton experience harbors a treasure trove of examples for both BJ and Hil of the besmirchment of honor, as well, but it would be more expedient for you to google those up for yourself, Bro.

So, now we're down from 'we' don't value honor to the 'liberaces' don't value honor - or, at least, 'some liberaces' don't value honor - or some politicians who appear to show disdain for honor are, unlike the 'good old days', either reflective of their affiliated political party's or our society's ills in their entirety.

Bill Ayers' POV resonates with some, not so much to many others.

I've known a number of vets who felt the same way as JFK - they aren't politically minded or opportunists, though, and just moved on with their lives and pretty much kept their views to themselves unless discussing why they felt the way they did with other vets. Not all of them were 'liberaces' although some were.

I've also known many 'liberaces' in my time, many of them were vets and none of them viewed 'honor' as anything but a noteworthy trait to be fostered and valued. But perhaps I've lived an idyllic life and just blinded to the 'truth as Matthew Brady sees it'.

Ever watch someone without honor in the presence of someone who recognizably exhibits it among a group? I see it all the time and the impact is telling.

Ever review the list of recipients of the Congressional Gold Medal or MOH? Even when we fail to duly recognize high honor, it appears we still seek to correct that in due time.

Do you think the likes of a Daniel Inouye (RIP) or Bob Kerry do not value honor?

Such "everyone, everybody, all" statements regarding matters like this one seems - as defined here - more along the lines of 'liberace' than conservative commentary. Or is there, in the realm of 'gotcha' politics, a difference?

As to the original topic, two adults, a father and his daughter, broke the law.

And so it goes...

Richard

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Richard

Such "everyone, everybody, all" statements regarding matters like this one seems - as defined here - more along the lines of 'liberace' than conservative commentary. Or is there, in the realm of 'gotcha' politics, a difference?

Richard

The realm of "gotcha" politics is inhabitated by libs and their minions, the mainstream media.