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Old 11-26-2004, 06:28   #16
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The connection is solid. There is enough friction between the plastic of the valve and metal of the needle that you will have to put in a good amount of effort to get them apart.... This is the setup I use for tactical medicine (civilian world) and teach in our classes.
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Old 11-29-2004, 14:03   #17
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Swatsurgeon, if I may:

Are you leaving the needle part of the cath setup in the pic you've shown and hooking the valve to that once you've inserted into ICS?
And does the valve just fit right on?

The "kit" we have is the glove finger/long 14G IV/syringe roll, but obviously this seems much better.

I've lurked for awhile because I certainly have more to learn than share, but we were just talking about decomp setups at work last shift and I had to check the pic of the valve.

Thank you guys for all the knowledge you pass on...
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Old 11-30-2004, 06:55   #18
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Mr. Freeze,
the needle is removed once the catheter is inserted, just like a 'jelco' or 'angiocath'. The catheter that remains is wire coated so it won't kink (loss of functional lumen) despite being bent. The valve fits right on to the leur lock and those two pieces remain intact until such time that a proper chest tube can be placed. The longest I've had this combo in place was 4-5 hours and as long as the patient is breathing spontaneously they can inspire deeply and valsalva to evacuate more air and at worst they have a simple pneumothorax which is well tolerated by most people and avoid a tension pneumothorax which is tolerated by few if any people, at least not for a prolonged period of time.
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