Columbia University hires former Weather Undergound convict

[PRB]

how's this....she wants to publicly remember the trigger pullers...they need to be out too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaWqQIR7aRw

[Richard]

How ironic that there are members of this community who think it politically incorrect in agreeing to promulgate a proverbially slippery slope of an idea that our institutions of higher education should adhere to some nebulous concept of "correctness" - the seeming idea that a "correct" curriculum of "correct" readings taught "correctly" by "correct" faculty fostering "correct" ideas for a "correct" society. "Ingsoc" comes to mind for me when such an idea is bantered about.

IMO social activism is a worthy pursuit - how it may be carried out and for what purpose is worth studying, including the raising, educating, thinking and reasoning of a zealously committed activist like Kathy Boudin who, for whatever reason(s), concluded that breaking the law was worth the risk for attaining whatever goal(s) she thought might not be obtained otherwise.

To that end, IMO people should hear her, should openly challenge her, should foster those ideas they find worthy of emulating, and reject and decry those they find unrealistic or abhorrant; but to deny her a voice or employment within the boundaries of the law because we don't agree with some of her ideas or previous behaviors is Orwellian, and the antithesis of what we proclaim ourselves to be amongst the world's nations.

FWIW - Columbia was one of the 6 IHE choices I was given by the Department of the Army for fully-funded graduate schooling as an 18A/48C; for a number of reasons, I chose another of the six. IHE choice (schools, programs, courses) is available to us all...for now.

Richard

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Richard

IMO social activism is a worthy pursuit - how it may be carried out and for what purpose is worth studying, including the raising, educating, thinking and reasoning of a zealously committed activist like Kathy Boudin who, for whatever reason(s), concluded that breaking the law was worth the risk for attaining whatever goal(s) she thought might not be obtained otherwise.

To that end, IMO people should hear her, should openly challenge her, should foster those ideas they find worthy of emulating, and reject and decry those they find unrealistic or abhorrant; but to deny her a voice or employment within the boundaries of the law because we don't agree with some of her ideas or previous behaviors is Orwellian, and the antithesis of what we proclaim ourselves to be amongst the world's nations.

Richard[/COLOR]

Provocative points, Richard, but I gotta jet. Running late for Professor Manson's fondue class.

[Pete]

One person's social activist is another person's terrorist.

Just sayin'.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Richard

IMO social activism is a worthy pursuit - how it may be carried out and for what purpose is worth studying, including the raising, educating, thinking and reasoning of a zealously committed activist like Kathy Boudin who, for whatever reason(s), concluded that breaking the law was worth the risk for attaining whatever goal(s) she thought might not be obtained otherwise.

To that end, IMO people should hear her, should openly challenge her, should foster those ideas they find worthy of emulating, and reject and decry those they find unrealistic or abhorrent;
Richard

AS I see it, the problem is that most kids going to college are not the type to challenge. They absorb the bible according to their liberal teachers.

Columbia, like most holes of lower learning, is not inclusive of alternate opinions. They select those individuals that fit their "norm" and the liberal sheeple riot if they alter course.

If there was balance in higher education, we would not be here arguing this topic..

[sinjefe]

Originally Posted by Richard

IMO social activism is a worthy pursuit - how it may be carried out and for what purpose is worth studying, including the raising, educating, thinking and reasoning of a zealously committed activist like Kathy Boudin who, for whatever reason(s), concluded that breaking the law was worth the risk for attaining whatever goal(s) she thought might not be obtained otherwise.



Richard

Sorry, but that sounds like enabling and moral relativism to me.

[The Reaper]

I guess if Eric Rudolph works on his PhD, and is ever paroled, he can look forward to a quick hiring offer from an institution of higher learning.

Meh, ain't gonna happen to anyone but a leftist lib.

The hypocrisy is huge, and the denial is worse.

TR

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Richard

How ironic that there are members of this community who think it politically incorrect in agreeing to promulgate a proverbially slippery slope of an idea that our institutions of higher education should adhere to some nebulous concept of "correctness" - the seeming idea that a "correct" curriculum of "correct" readings taught "correctly" by "correct" faculty fostering "correct" ideas for a "correct" society. "Ingsoc" comes to mind for me when such an idea is bantered about.

IMO social activism is a worthy pursuit - how it may be carried out and for what purpose is worth studying, including the raising, educating, thinking and reasoning of a zealously committed activist like Kathy Boudin who, for whatever reason(s), concluded that breaking the law was worth the risk for attaining whatever goal(s) she thought might not be obtained otherwise.

To that end, IMO people should hear her, should openly challenge her, should foster those ideas they find worthy of emulating, and reject and decry those they find unrealistic or abhorrant; but to deny her a voice or employment within the boundaries of the law because we don't agree with some of her ideas or previous behaviors is Orwellian, and the antithesis of what we proclaim ourselves to be amongst the world's nations.

FWIW - Columbia was one of the 6 IHE choices I was given by the Department of the Army for fully-funded graduate schooling as an 18A/48C; for a number of reasons, I chose another of the six. IHE choice (schools, programs, courses) is available to us all...for now.

Richard

All this says to me is that you have an issue with understanding the difference between right and wrong.

Children's/young people minds are quite malleable and most would acquiescent to an individual such as this murderer. Tell me Richard, what would you think if one of your children took her class and came home singing praises of the Weather Underground and wanting to free the rest of the murders?

What about XXXX XXXXX? She did nothing wrong in the eyes of the public, no charges and yet you harbor such a hatred for her? She's not a convict but you would give her no quarter.

Is this not hypocrisy?

[Paragrouper]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

If there was balance in higher education, we would not be here arguing this topic..

Well said. That lack of balance degrades the credibility of Columbia University in my eyes--well that and some of their alumni.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Paragrouper

Well said. That lack of balance degrades the credibility of Columbia University in my eyes--well that and some of their alumni.

We don't know that for certain. No transcripts.

Originally Posted by PRB

how's this....she wants to publicly remember the trigger pullers...they need to be out too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaWqQIR7aRw

I'd like to see the complete unedited version....notice how the clip cuts off before she finished speaking.

That isn't a video of her teaching a class, and it's NYU Law School not Columbia.

[BKKMAN]

Originally Posted by WCH

I'd like to see the complete unedited version....notice how the clip cuts off before she finished speaking.

That isn't a video of her teaching a class, and it's NYU Law School not Columbia.

Available here:

Boudin NYU Lecture

[Richard]

We can “what if” this forever, however:

• Kathy Boudin was an active member of a militant group involved in criminal activities.
• As a member of the group, she was an accessory to a murder – she did not murder anyone.
• What she did was decidedly wrong.
• She was caught, tried, and sentenced for her wrongs IAW the law.
• She served 22 years of a 20-75 year sentence and was paroled IAW existing law.
• Since her parole, she has worked for a hospital, as an SME advisor on prison matters, and as an adjunct lecturer at Columbia University.
• What she, the hospital, the prison systems, and the university are doing is not illegal.
• Beyond that is but conjecture, opinion, and editorializing on all our parts.

Personally, I have neither empathy for nor animosity towards her at this point.

In the realm of conjecture, she could have wound up like Patrick Bearup in Arizona, and Ms Boudin's associates might be the ones now free and the topic of discussion.

Less Culpable, but With Longer Sentences

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/06/us....html?hpw&_r=0


Richard

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Richard

Personally, I have neither empathy for nor animosity towards her at this point.

How do you label this statement?

"IMO social activism is a worthy pursuit - how it may be carried out and for what purpose is worth studying, including the raising, educating, thinking and reasoning of a zealously committed activist like Kathy Boudin who, for whatever reason(s), concluded that breaking the law was worth the risk for attaining whatever goal(s) she thought might not be obtained otherwise"

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Dusty

How do you label this statement?

Studying her case to seek insight into her reasoning for her militancy is showing empathy or animosity?

Richard