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Old 02-04-2013, 07:51   #1
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When, if ever was the INF cord authorized for wear by soldiers assigned to SFTG?
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:54   #2
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When, if ever was the INF cord authorized for wear by soldiers assigned to SFTG?
It wasn't.

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Old 02-04-2013, 08:43   #3
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I remember reading about Echanis in SOF magazine in the early 80's. IIRC he killed himself and a couple others by trying to throw a live hand grenade out of an airplane in Nicaragua. He was also one of the people involved in the men who stare at goats thing.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:38   #4
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Yep, he sure did. Was a "Mercenary" for a while before his death. Didn't know it was a grenade that killed him though. Thought it was an SA-7 that hit the plane?
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:18   #5
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Love the hands in the pockets and the porn stache. You old timers had no discipline,,,,,
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:09   #6
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Love the hands in the pockets and the porn stache. You old timers had no discipline,,,,,
Hey now??? Do you see any porn-staches in this pic?
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:17   #7
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I do believe that Lyman was one of our instructors at MedLab in 75-76 and Weiler was my Senior Medic at Tolz in 77-78.
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Old 02-09-2013, 23:37   #8
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I have to join the defense of the "porn stash". I grew mine as soon as I graduated from Tng Gp (1971) and have worn it ever since.

As for having no discipline, I disagree. We were a bunch of bandits in those days (at least us younger guys) but we fought a war being lost by our poli-whores in Washington, some of which are still around today. We wore the Green Beret with pride inspite of the media and many politicians. We went where we were told and did what we were told to do. We watched the miltary being torn apart and still soldiered on.

We were professionals. Many got out but some of us stayed and carried on. SF disciipline is less the parade ground discipline and more the individual personal discipline that we don't see that much any more.

As for the hands in the pockets, I remember standing around with the battalion command group (Bn Cdr, XO, CSM, myself and others) on the drop zone with ALL of us with our hands in our pockets!
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The Rest of the Story...

Photo is of Michael D. Echanis. It was taken by his family the day he left from Casual Leave (1 July 1969 - 28 July 1969) at home (Ontario, Oregon) for Vietnam.

Per his 2-1 Echanis entered service on 12 May 69 and attended Basic Training beginning on 19 May 69 at Fort Ord, California (Co D 3d BDE).

He then attended Advanced Individual Training at Fort Gordon where he was awarded his 11 Bravo MOS (hence the Blue Infantry Cord). He cross-trained at Fort Gordon as an Infantry Direct Fire Crewman, as well.

Echanis then attended and completed ABN School at Fort Benning, GA (4th Student BN (ABN). His ABN Student # was 534.

On 25 October 69 with a Duty MOS of 09B2P he reported to CO D, USASFTNGGRP (ABN) at Fort Bragg. He attended and, as recently learned, SUCCESSFULLY completed Phase One of the SFQC on 21 JAN 1970.

However, Mike's primary goal (as a 19 year old) was to get to Vietnam and try to learn what had happened to his cousin, the CPT Joseph Echanis, whose F4 had crashed in Laos in November of 69.

Upon completion of Phase One Echanis volunteered for duty in Vietnam.

He (and this is where the picture comes in) remained assigned to Special Forces and his 2-1 reads he was now a Replacement assigned to USASFCTNGGRP (ABN).

After Casual Leave Mike arrived in Vietnam as a replacement SF replacement on 3 FEB 1970. He was recruited and assigned to CO C, 75th RGR INF on 23 MAR 1970. His MOS was then listed as 11B1P and his principle duty was that of Scout-Observer.

Echanis took every opportunity to get where he felt he might learn something about Joseph Echanis - and LRP with CO C, 75th INF seemed to fit.

On May 6, 1970, the Daily Log for Company C (RANGER), 75th Inf., Engineer Hill, Pleiku, VN states the following:

"1900 - Company had one truck ambushed today at An Khe Pass. Suffered 7 friendly WIA's. Got four confirmed KIA's. Negative Operations."

Gerald F. Colvin, CPT, Operations, signed the log entry.

Per the August 5, 1970 Company C (RANGER) 75th Infantry (ABN) "Operational Report - Lessens (sic) Learned, Period Ending 31 July 1970, Paragraph B -

"During the month of May, the company conducted 73 operations in twenty-three operational days resulting in 27 contacts, 32 enemy sightings, 34 enemy KIA, and 14 weapons. Friendly losses were 2 US KIA and 14 US WIA.

"The high casualty figure was mainly due to a convoy ambush in the An Khe Pass on 6 May."

The report is signed by Major Donald L. Hudson, Commanding.

In the aftermath of that ambush on May 6th, Mike Echanis was awarded the Bronze Star with Valor Device (General Orders Number 1810, dated 15 July 1970, Department of the Army, Headquarters, 173rd ABN BDE).

His award narrative states Echanis was wounded four time during the ambush but "continued to fight until the beleagured truck was relieved. Specialist Echanis's aggressive spirit and undaunted courage were decisive in preventing the annhilation of the truck and its personnel."

Mike was also awarded the Vietnamese Cross of Gallanrty for this action (with Palm Device) and the Purple Heart.

Orders for his and all those others wounded in the ambush were cut on 7 May 1970, the day after the ambush. They were cut at Headquarters, 17th Field Hospital, VN (General Orders Number 104).

The PH for those Rangers assigned to CO C, 75th RANGERS include:

Roberts, Eddie L., SSG (2nd Award)
Carr, Alfred L., SP4
Echanis, Michael D, SP4
Ladeaux, Robert W, SP4
Laughton, Mark E, PFC

The driver and assistant driver of the vehicle, also wounded, were:

Lewis, James H, SP5 (597th Transportation Company)
Baker, Gary L, SPF (597th Transporation Company)

Major Clarence A Martin Jr, Acting Commander, signed the orders.

Echanis was transferred from the 17th Field Hospital on 17 May to the 249th General Hospital in Japan where his lower right leg was saved from amputation.

He was transferred to Letterman Army Hospital on June 3, 1970 for roughly 7 months of intensive in-patient and then out-patient care and treatment.

On 18 December 1970 he was medically retired with a 100% VA disability rating.

Echanis would return to the Special Forces community in 1976 as the senior civilian instructor for the new Hwa Rang Do military combatives program he designed. And yes, I have all of the relevant documentation for that.

On September 8, 1978 he, Chuck Sanders (recently retired from the Army/SF) and Bobby Nguyen were killed in an aviation crash near Lake Nicaragua. I have the US and NIC documentation on that event, as well.

All three were returned and buried / cremated (Chuck Sanders) in Ontario, Oregon.

GEN McMull, then SF CDR at Bragg, directed then MSG Ivan Jakovenko (who was very close to Mike and Chuck at Bragg) and was the Team Sergeant of ODA 594 (SCUBA) -

To provide a formal SF escort / color guard at Mike and Chuck's services.

Jake described this to me himself.

At the conclusion of Mike's ceremony MSG Jakovenko, SSG James Lally, SSG Roger Bascomb and SFC Thomas Powell filed by Mike's casket and placed their berets upon it. These were then buried with Mike. Also a pall bearer was former POW James Jackson, who was very close to Mike at Fort Bragg.

On February 11, 1971, the Echanis Family received a Presidental Certificate from then President Jimmy Carter. It reads -

"The United States of America honors the memory of Michael D. Echanis - This certificate is awarded by a grateful nation in recognition of devoted and selfless consecration to the service of our country in the Armed Forces of the United States."

In 2013, Echanis was inducted into Black Belt Magazine's Hall of Fame as Weapons Instructor of the Year.

In short, Echanis was authorized to wear his beret with crest when reporting for duty in Vietnam as he was assigned to Special Forces as a replacement. He did successfully complete Phase One. He was authorized to wear the blue infantry cord on his uniform (I wore mine when I reported to SFQC in 1980 and thereafter, as appropriate).

He volunteered and was accepted as a LRP/RGR by Co C, 75th INF (RGR) and was wounded with that unit (after saving 6 other members in the ambush per his award narrative) and was awarded the PH by the unit per the orders cited.

SGM (Retired) Jakovenko and selected members of his ODA, as named, paid our community's respects to Mike, Chuck and the families per GEN McMull.

We might agree if Echanis was less than what he clearly was Jake and the others would not have been sent nor left their berets on Mike's casket in honor of him.

And "mercenaries" don't recieve such attention much less a presidential certificate after the fact.

There's much more about Mike and what he really was doing in NIC and for who - but that's another chapter in his Life story that includes then SWC CDR Colonel Charlie Beckwith

Rest in peace, Mike.
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Old 02-05-2013, 19:48   #10
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Yep, he sure did. Was a "Mercenary" for a while before his death. Didn't know it was a grenade that killed him though. Thought it was an SA-7 that hit the plane?
The way I remember it was that they were trying to bomb the Sandanista's from an air plane by pulling the pin on a grenade and dropping them in a mason jar before throwing them out the window. He either dropped the jar or a live grenade and it detonated killing all aboard. His devotees claim that it was a bomb that was rigged with an altitude sensitive detonator. Who knows what the truth really is.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:20   #11
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I remember reading about Echanis in SOF magazine in the early 80's. IIRC he killed himself and a couple others by trying to throw a live hand grenade out of an airplane in Nicaragua. He was also one of the people involved in the men who stare at goats thing.
Was he a protege of Guy Savalle?
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Love the hands in the pockets and the porn stache. You old timers had no discipline,,,,,

Us old timers all had porn staches.
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So much hate here... What did the Porn Stash do to you......
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So much hate here... What did the Porn Stash do to you......
Ooops! Now porn stash - that's a different matter all together
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Love the hands in the pockets and the porn stache. You old timers had no discipline,,,,,

Us old timers all had porn staches.
Still have mine!
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