01-21-2013, 06:26
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Ambush, rescue, armaggedon...all the same in the Algierian SF ops manual.  |
If I am not mistaken the more senior guys there got training from the Russians / Soviets?
So...a helo gun or 14.5 mm KPV from a BTR...makes sense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrQ7c91b758
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01-21-2013, 09:56
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01-21-2013, 15:12
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Roger.
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01-23-2013, 16:03
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And they did that theater rescue in Moscow so well.
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01-23-2013, 18:50
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I heard today that the US didn't want to press the issue with US support because the Algerian government is new and it might face opposition from within and could lead to its demise. Huh?
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01-23-2013, 21:32
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I heard today that the US didn't want to press the issue with US support because the Algerian government is new and it might face opposition from within and could lead to its demise. Huh?
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No offense, but would we allow another country's Special Ops personnel to operate on our soil? Sovreignty is not just for the US.
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01-23-2013, 22:07
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"We'll do a number 4.. We'll come in whoopin and hollerin and hollerin and whoopin ,,."
Borrowed from "Blazing Saddles"..
Seems reasonable...
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01-24-2013, 17:34
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No offense, but would we allow another country's Special Ops personnel to operate on our soil? Sovreignty is not just for the US.
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True....but, we have significant experience in special ops and should have (diplomatically) pushed hard to assist them with the planning. We do have some good contactsand have trained a lot of their officers over the years. Maybe that was done and they just refused. Maybe we'll never know.
Well, actually I suppose we will know eventually. Some of us probably already do. 
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01-24-2013, 18:25
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True....but, we have significant experience in special ops and should have (diplomatically) pushed hard to assist them with the planning. We do have some good contactsand have trained a lot of their officers over the years. Maybe that was done and they just refused. Maybe we'll never know.
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I'm with you. I wish our help was accepted more regularly, but the world being what it is, this is probably going to be the new normal in that part of the world.
I just had a briefing today from the SDO/DATT from DRC. It doesn't matter how much help we offer, how much money we provide, how much training is done, until these nations can get corruption etc under some kind of control, it is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. Add in the tribe mentality, the fact that China will give them money with no talk of human rights violations etc, we are going to continue to put out the small fires, while the wildfire rages.
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01-24-2013, 19:56
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No offense, but would we allow another country's Special Ops personnel to operate on our soil? Sovreignty is not just for the US.
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None taken, however, there was US citizens being held and I thought it was a pretty lame excuse. Then again, we let a US ambassador get smoked; go figure.
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01-25-2013, 05:26
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It doesn't matter how much help we offer, how much money we provide, how much training is done, until these nations can get corruption etc under some kind of control, it is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. Add in the tribe mentality, the fact that China will give them money with no talk of human rights violations etc, we are going to continue to put out the small fires, while the wildfire rages.
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It's too bad more people can't see this coming.
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01-25-2013, 16:12
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I'm with you. I wish our help was accepted more regularly, but the world being what it is, this is probably going to be the new normal in that part of the world.
I just had a briefing today from the SDO/DATT from DRC. It doesn't matter how much help we offer, how much money we provide, how much training is done, until these nations can get corruption etc under some kind of control, it is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. Add in the tribe mentality, the fact that China will give them money with no talk of human rights violations etc, we are going to continue to put out the small fires, while the wildfire rages.
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And today in Iraq.. http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/25/world/...iraq-protests/
Sunni or later the shit will hit the fan.
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01-25-2013, 16:27
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Well, truth be told......
Well, truth be told the Hostage Rescue wasn't much of a Hostage Rescue as Hostage Rescues go.
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01-25-2013, 20:55
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Well, truth be told the Hostage Rescue wasn't much of a Hostage Rescue as Hostage Rescues go.
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Well...if ya want to make an omelet....
Ya gotta kill a few hostages, I mean break a few necks... oh crap you know what I mean.
I think it's in the Quran.
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01-25-2013, 20:57
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Well...if ya want to make an omelet....
Ya gotta kill a few hostages, I mean break a few necks... oh crap you know what I mean.
I think it's in the Quran. |
or throw a few grenades...
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