Why Did Obama Win the Obama Vote?

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

You may know this. I may know this. However, there were obviously a LOT of people out there who weren't so sure about this. Given the dynamics illlustrated in the GOP primary, some of the buffoonish statements by R officeholders trying to "move on up to the Eastside", and the way the Rs let the Ds paint the landscape (and remember... the Rs BROUGHT it up... stepped right into the leghold trap the Ds put out- grabbing for the little birth control bait that had been put there), how could those people think anything else?

Those same people, and many others, "know" that Obama is not a socialist, isn't going to send his TSA VIPR "brownshirts" after us, or use his magical Muslim ring to let the MB reign in DC. They "know" that just like you "know" Romney wouldn't "outlaw birth control".

The choice is before us as Rs and conservatives. We are going to have to choose. I've made mine. I know what is most important to the continued prosperity and freedom of this country I love. It isn't mucking about over birth control. "Not at this juncture. Wouldn't be prudent."

I see your point.

Well, I blame the mainstream media for the voters' ignorance.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Richard

From what I've seen and heard, when it comes to women, voting, and political party affiliation, candidates like Akin-MO ("legitimate rape") and Mourdock-IN (opposing abortions for rape-induced pregnancy because it’s “something God intended.”) being backed by any party scare the hell out of people and have a strong influence on their voting choices.

And so it goes...

Richard

Agreed. Ruined our chances for the Senate.

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by Dusty

I see your point.

Well, I blame the mainstream media for the voters' ignorance.

You and I agree there, my Brother.

However, to me it is part of gathering intel on your 'enemy' and knowing the capabilities they possess. IF your enemy controls media, HOW do you overcome that? To me, that is the SF way of thinking. There is a way. You have to find it.

For sure, the way is NOT to go for the bait...what your "enemy" knows is a hot-button issue for many in your base. State your opposition to their position succinctly and BRIEFLY...with NO details (that's what "they" do!)...and move out smartly.

Stay on your major objectives. Don't let them lure you into an "Anvil and Hammer" by dangling an understrenth platoon out in the open. As far as I am concerned, that is exactly what happened to Romney and the Rs in that issue.

And, as we saw, it cost them... dearly. And us. I said it right before the election, after that last debate, that the Romney campaign had managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They did. That's what hurts the most.

PS - I do wear 'tinfoil' at times. My 'tinfoil' often tells me that Rush, Glen and some of the "usual suspects" at Fox are really on the payroll of the DNC.

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Dusty

lol Right.

I don't take credit for the article.

Try dropping denial from your perspective, and you might see the truth for what it is. {**OFFENSIVE TEXT**}

Edited by Richard.

From my perspective, it is men like you that push women to the Dems. For the party of smaller government and personal responsibility there are a ton of white males out there that seem a little too interested in what goes on behind the bedroom doors of the American populace. There are a lot of women out there who believe they should be able to make decisions about their own bodies, not old white men.

Do I belive that way? No I don't because I was raised in a two parent home who valued the family and religeon. But much of America is now growing up in single parent households and don't go to church.

So instead of bashing people you disagree with over the head with all your supposed knowledge and believing that groups who vote diffferently than you are idiots, I believe it should be done a different way.

I have a 15 year old little girl who had an altercation with another little girl the day after the election. Other girl walks into class covered in Obama stuff. Jordan just ignored her until the other girl thought she was being disrespectful by not cheering for Obama's re-election. My daughter took her to school, literally. She explained exactly why she was not an Obama supporter, and the other girl had no comeback. Why, because Jordan knew the issues and she didn't. Jordan got a standing ovation, and the teacher asked her to join the debate team

So what does this have to do with my previous points? Our house is the house all J's friends hang out at. So they get to hear thoughtful political discussions instead of the crap most people are fed. Quite a few of these girls come from single parent homes so I spend time talking to them about sex, birth control etc. If they spend the night on Saturday, they are invited to Mass on Sunday. Most of them come. I have been the confirmation sponsor to 3 of those girls who have gone throught the RCIA process to become Catholic.

So instead of just telling them what I believe, I show them through my actions that being Christian and Republican is nothing to be afraid of.

So in my own way I have hopefully brought some of the next elections voters over to our side. You may find your way of doing things work better for you. I prefer my way.

[Gypsy]

I think afchic's response can tie in nicely with the "how to fix the mess we're in" thread.

We have to reach our young and teach them by example, deeds and words.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Gypsy

I think afchic's response can tie in nicely with the "how to fix the mess we're in" thread.

We have to reach our young and teach them by example, deeds and words.

The problem is, many, many women in this Country don't think with their heads. They bow up if a subject touches anything concerning feminism, abortion, gender equality, blah.

Very selfish perspective.

I'll make it clear (again) that I'm not including the vast majority of female posters to this BB, indeed I'm only targeting those who voted for Obama solely because of the Fluke-ish issue, with comments such as this:

Be concerned about something besides your reproductive systems, ladies.

I think some women are frustrated that certain vocations are restricted from access (a la SF, Ranger, SEAL) because women just physiologically cannot do it; that stone cold fact colors not only their attitudes, but their thought processes as well.

[Badger52]

I wonder how many women due to their seemingly inherent nurturing tendency have offspring currently using some form of Guv "safety net" and fear - in the immediate term - for the entitlement rug being pulled out. I'm not deriding that someone would consider that, but wonder if it's a 'Sophie's Choice' type occurrence, vs. the parent/child conversation that could be had about what a worse situation things will be in, when/if their young adult progeny, struggling, comes out the other end of the college/job-search tunnel.

This state of affairs already exists but wonder if that continues to be a voting dynamic that plays.


(Just an empty nest FOG here w/ strong coffee & CW key on a day of reflection.)

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Dusty

The problem is, many, many women in this Country don't think with their heads.

Now you tell us what women DON'T think with.
You shared what you think women DO think with and that was expunged by a moderator.
You've lost any credibility to post on this subject.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Now you tell us what women DON'T think with.
You shared what you think women DO think with and that was expunged by a moderator.
You've lost any credibility to post on this subject.

lol Dozer, you're just a poster. You're not a moderator, nor or you an administrator. If you ever become one, I'll leave the BB, trust me.

Since you have no credibility with me, your current post has the same impact as your others. Zero.

You want to get personal about it, I'll PM you a map to my casa; if you come out here, though, you might want to do a site survey and some research on me, personally.

[The Reaper]

The bickering stops now, or this thread will be closed.

Make your points and leave the personal attacks and threats out of it.

You guys want to butt heads, step out back or take it to PMs.

Return to the OP for the intent of the thread, and stay with it or start a new thread on the new subject. Add your opinion or facts to the discussion without directing them at the other person.

Be respectful of others' viewpoints.

Stop the name calling.

QPs here cut other QPs a lot of slack in consideration and professional courtesy.

Quiet. Professional. Live it.

TR

[Stargazer]

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ng-enough.html

http://www.voterparticipation.org/wp...wv_diagram.jpg

But lumping more than 50 percent of the population into a group and talking about it as a single unit can oversimplify things a lot. Go deeper into the 2012 exit poll numbers to look at the women's vote and picture begins to change.

To be clear, the gender gap in America is not a myth—the numbers show it's real—but it's also very complicated. It can grow or shrink depending on a host of factors: race, age, marital status, even geography.

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/arc...g-bloc/265007/

Who best marketed their message to the factors noted above?

I am a conservative individual and as noted previously I believe in a policy that is pro-choice but as an INDIVIDUAL live by pro-life. I am not alone with many women of similar beliefs. However, I do not vote on that factor alone, I cast my vote based on who I believe is the best person/plan for governance at the federal and state level.

With respect to women casting votes based on government dependency... I am sure that is true in some cases. The women who I heard make issue with the 'women rights' were not eligible based on their financial status. One woman who was the most vocal advocate has two children currently serving, white, married, accountant, financially secure, Catholic and lives in Texas to boot.

Dems did a better job of marketing to the voting demographics and creating or exacerbating women issues.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Stargazer

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ng-enough.html

http://www.voterparticipation.org/wp...wv_diagram.jpg



http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/arc...g-bloc/265007/


Dems did a better job of marketing to the voting demographics and creating or exacerbating women issues.

That fact's crucial to my point, if you think about it.

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Dusty

That fact's crucial to my point, if you think about it.

To date you have offered your view of the problem, ie women voters. I am interested in what your view is on the solution. It is easy to identify the problem, but as one GO once told me, "Unless you have a solution I don't want to hear about your problem."

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by afchic

To date you have offered your view of the problem, ie women voters. I am interested in what your view is on the solution. It is easy to identify the problem, but as one GO once told me, "Unless you have a solution I don't want to hear about your problem."

Education as opposed to propaganda.

The points of view of many women have been manipulated by leftists to the point that birth control is not only the prime political issue, but the only one.

Freedom, in this Country, is taking a second place to distracting points of argument.

There are other areas in which women (and men) have been led down the wrong path, but for both past elections, BC has been the most crucial next the entitlement carrot.

I've never intended to imply that women aren't smart enough to figure out that they're being led around the block by leftists with an agenda to dismantle America's foundation, but it obviously hasn't dawned on the ones who voted for re-election.

We don't have that many to educate; it's not like Obama won by a landslide.

[Sigaba]

MOO, arguments of "false concsciousness" among one cohort or another was at the core of. Communism's failure as a political philosophy. Telling people that they shouldn't be concerned with what they're concerned with just feeds into the dynamic that has tthe GOP on the outside looking in.