VP debate - potential for bias?

[tonyz]

My concerns have been somewhat alleviated since the story broke...she's now being watched a bit differently, perhaps, by both sides.

I occasionally enjoyed Martha when she was with WCVB-TV in Boston.

It will, hopefully, be an interesting debate.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Blogged Again?

Riiiggghhhhttt, we should wait for ABC news to objectively discuss their ABC news journalist.

Well, in all fairness, they eventually did, I guess -- once Raddatz's prior relationship with Obama was brought to their attention by a participant in the blogosphere.

In any event, I'm sure that ABC thinks of Martha as "tough and objective." And, they won't be shy about expressing that sentiment...I know, I read it on the Internet. I'm sure that they (ABC) selected Martha because she is "terrific"...I know, I read that on the Internet, too.

By the way, Is ABC where Stephanopoulos, the former WH communications director and Clinton senior advisor for policy and strategy, works? I'm comfortable that ABC thinks of Stephanopolous as tough, fair, objective and terrific, too.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by tonyz

. . . Because Ms Raddatz works for ABC news - IMO if she somehow assists Biden she will be forever elevated as a MSM GAWD...if she hurts him - either actually or merely perceived by the left - (or if she is relatively neutral like Lehrer) she will be forever flogged by Chris Mattews, and many others...what was that risk you mentioned?.

So, the well is poisoned.
That was the objective from the start.


Red Sox fan. Figures.
90 losses, worst season since 1965. Third highest payroll in the MLB at $173,186,617. Further proof of a benevolent "GAWD".

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Well you're gonna miss out on a fun time. I hope to keep up with AFCHIC at least til the first commercial break. I'm drinking cheaper rum, though.

Still waiting for the rules to be posted. Hey Missy, you VOLUNTEERED.

I will see if I can come up with something for tomorrow night's festivities. But I will not be partaking. I am sure I would over-imbibe, and I have to be on a plane to Portland at 0600. Hung over and flying used to be ok when I was younger. Now that I have hit 40, not so much

[Sigaba]

Well, if AFCHIC is going to play the "I've reached the age of where I'm too wise to do something unwise" card and risk damaging the GOP mojo for this debate, the rest of us must work together to pick up the shot glass(es) and power Ryan to glorious victory.

So, attached is a set of rules I found on line here.

[Richard]

Pakistan requested we stop the drones - so we've canceled the VP debates.

Richard

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by Richard

Pakistan requested we stop the drones - so we've canceled the VP debates.

Richard

Finally, something good out of U.S. foreign policy...


I think it would be better to have an episode of "VP Wipeout"... with responses to policy questions required as they navigate the obstacle course.

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Well, if AFCHIC is going to play the "I've reached the age of where I'm too wise to do something unwise" card and risk damaging the GOP mojo for this debate, the rest of us must work together to pick up the shot glass(es) and power Ryan to glorious victory.

So, attached is a set of rules I found on line here.

I'll give the game a shot - so to speak.

Thanks for posting it, Sigaba. Thanks also for the new avatar-tribute to 'Mongo'!

[1stindoor]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

I'll give the game a shot - so to speak.

Thanks for posting it, Sigaba. Thanks also for the new avatar-tribute to 'Mongo'!

Like Mongo...Sigaba only pawn in game of life.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by tonyz

My concerns have been somewhat alleviated since the story broke...she's now being watched a bit differently, perhaps, by both sides. . .

It will, hopefully, be an interesting debate.

What is that sound? Silence.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

What is that sound? Silence.

Biden: rude, disrespectful, angry and experienced at it...

Ryan: young, intelligent, articulate and respectful.

ETA:

IMO, the last debate moderator is now largely irrelevant.

The next presidential debate moderator is feeling some heat from both parties.

In a rare example of political unity, both the Romney and Obama campaigns have expressed concern to the Commission on Presidential Debates about how the moderator of the Tuesday town hall has publicly described her role, TIME has learned.

Read more: http://thepage.time.com/2012/10/14/m...#ixzz29NZd2J1s

IMO, in moderating a fair debate, among other things neutrality, fairness, and preparation are important.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by tonyz

IMO, the last debate moderator is now largely irrelevant.

IMO, in moderating a fair debate, among other things neutrality, fairness, and preparation are important.

To your first comment
Now it doesn't matter, now. After ... Why doesn't it matter? Cuz your guy didn't need the drop gun you left behind the toilet? After enduring this thread of yours I really want your evaluation of Ms Raddatz's efforts.

To your other comment, do you agree that she met this standard? If not I'm very interested in your critique of her moderating. Try not to muddy the water by commenting on the debaters.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

To your first comment
Now it doesn't matter, now. After ... Why doesn't it matter? Cuz your guy didn't need the drop gun you left behind the toilet? After enduring this thread of yours I really want your evaluation of Ms Raddatz's efforts.

The point of raising the issue of Raddatz's prior relationship with the sitting president was one of transparency - and raising the issue of the mere possibility of impropriety - certainly not one of preparation or competence. To follow your Godfather routine..."I wanted you to see what she's got under her fingernails."

Originally Posted by Dozer523

To your other comment, do you agree that she met this standard? If not I'm very interested in your critique of her moderating. Try not to muddy the water by commenting on the debaters.

IMO, Raddatz interrupted Ryan a number of times when he was making his points. That is in the past. I do not blame the referee for the result. It is what it is.

I assume that she was prepared.

As for neutrality - MOO, I would have preferred that there be a Republican, a Democrat and a true Independent on that stage. If not an actual Democrat, Raddataz certainly possess many of the indicia of a Democrat.

With the dominance of 2 party politics - IMO, it might be interesting to watch a debate where a true independent questions/probes/exposes both sides. After all, both sides own the current shit that we are in.

I am not interested in some political "fluffer" from either party moderating such an important debate.

YMMV.

[ZonieDiver]

IMO, Raddatz interrupted Ryan a number of times when he was making his points.

Are you saying:

A) She didn't interrupt Biden.
B) She didn't interrupt Biden as often.
or
C) What?

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

Are you saying:

A) She didn't interrupt Biden.
B) She didn't interrupt Biden as often.
or
C) What?

IMO Raddatz stopped Ryan from making his point on a number of occasions. I do not recall how many times nor do I care at this point. Raddatz, during the course of the night, interrupted both men at one point or another. I do not recall how often nor do I care at this point. What impact these interuptions had on either men in the debate I cannot say at this point. Personally, I would have liked to hear Ryan complete his thoughts. YMMV.

The debate was the debate. Raddatz was Raddatz. I was not overly impressed with any of the participants.

This is all water under the bridge.