MSNBC Host: Romney accused of using racist code

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Sarski

even though there haven't been slaves (in the sense of enslavement of African Americans) for a thousand+ years, yet some talk as though they were enslaved themselves during the abolition of slavery.

No slavery in the years before the American Civil War? What have I misinterpreted here?

Originally Posted by Dozer523

No slavery in the years before the American Civil War? What have I misinterpreted here?

Doh! Did I say a thousand? Sorry, I meant hundred+...right civil war. Please forgive, I was never good at math

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Sarski

Doh! Did I say a thousand? Sorry, I meant hundred+...right civil war. Please forgive, I was never good at math

Not so good with History, either. Ever hear of Plessy v. Ferguson, and the "separate but equal" doctrine and its impact on segments of American society?

Richard

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Sarski

The roots of heritage in African Americans run deep, but when brought to the front, only the African American community can speak freely about it, even though there haven't been slaves (in the sense of enslavement of African Americans) for a thousand+ years, yet some talk as though they were enslaved themselves during the abolition of slavery.

The more the African Americans want to rely on their approach to isolating theirselves, the more they distance theirselves from the very dreams and freedoms of equality MLK had envisioned.

The only thing more telling than your lumping all African Americans together into a monolithic entity and defining the historical experiences of blacks around the peculiar institution--rather than the possibility that many blacks alive today either came of age in Jim Crow America or have parents and family members who did--is your unwillingness to acknowledge the fact that many prominent students of the African American experience are not black.

But other than that, great post.

Originally Posted by Richard

Not so good with History, either. Ever hear of Plessy v. Ferguson, and the "separate but equal" doctrine and its impact on segments of American society?

Richard

Not so much, sir. But I am guessing this is why we have The Congressional Black Caucus, The United Negro College Fund, and BET Network? Seperate but equal. But I believe that as long as there is "seperate" there can never be equal. Would you agree, sir? Or have I missed something?

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Sarski

Not so much, sir. But I am guessing this is why we have The Cogressional Black Caucus, The United Negr College Fund, and BET Network? Seperate but equal. But I believe that as long as there is "seperate" there can never be equal. Would you agree, sir? Or have I missed something?

I like Ryan's tenet of equal opportunity for all versus a guarantee of equal outcome.

Blacks in this Country have no right to bitch about "inequality" with one of their own running the White House (as it were).

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Sarski

Not so much, sir. But I am guessing this is why we have The Cogressional Black Caucus, The United Negr College Fund, and BET Network? Seperate but equal. But I believe that as long as there is "seperate" there can never be equal. Would you agree, sir? Or have I missed something?

There is a huge difference between a group "self" segregating and the Government making it law. Maybe you should read up on a little history

Originally Posted by Sigaba

The only thing more telling than your lumping all African Americans together into a monolithic entity and defining the historical experiences of blacks around the peculiar institution--rather than the possibility that many blacks alive today either came of age in Jim Crow America or have parents and family members who did--is your unwillingness to acknowledge the fact that many prominent students of the African American experience are not black.

But other than that, great post.

Apologies if it seems that when referring to African Americans I gave the impression that I was referring to all blacks. I should have been more clear in stating those African Americans who subscribe to an ideology that distances themselves from the direction that we as a nation should procede towards together, as a country. Kind of in the vein of what MLK believed in.

And clearly, you are correct in that there are many who still believe we have a long way to go and we can work together to get there.

On the flipside is a small percentile of African Americans who still feel held down in place by "the white man" and feel a need to unite and make clear their expressions of "black power" and perhaps this is the small segment of African Americans that Obama, and Hilary are trying to captivate via their speeches and campaign tactics, and then add in MSNBC reports such as this to fuel the fire.

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Dusty

I like Ryan's tenet of equal opportunity for all versus a guarantee of equal outcome.

Blacks in this Country have no right to bitch about "inequality" with one of their own running the White House (as it were).

Can we put this in the funniest quotes of the year thread?

You don't know many minorities do you? I know this may surprise you but there are any number of people that are descriminated againt for many different reasons. The simple fact that our current POTUS is a black man does not change the fact that many blacks in this country are still descriminated against.

Same can and will be said when the first woman is elected, or the first hispanic, etc. There will always be descrimination in one form or another. The fact that one glass ceiling has been broken does not mean it will no longer occur.

[afchic]

The girl in the video is the same.one that posted an eloquent statement during the Koran burning episode last year. I hope.my children can someday be as eloquent.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Sarski

Not so much, sir. But I am guessing this is why we have The Congressional Black Caucus, The United Negro College Fund, and BET Network? Seperate but equal. But I believe that as long as there is "seperate" there can never be equal. Would you agree, sir? Or have I missed something?

I would say you've missed a lot.

Reading "Savage Inequalities" by Jonathan Kozol would be a good place to start to understand what I was saying and how it continues to affect us today.

And so it goes...

Richard

Originally Posted by Richard

I would say you've missed a lot.

Reading "Savage Inequalities" by Jonathan Kozol would be a good place to start to understand what I was saying and how it continues to affect us today.

And so it goes...

Richard

Roger that, sir.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by afchic

Can we put this in the funniest quotes of the year thread?

You don't know many minorities do you? I know this may surprise you but there are any number of people that are descriminated againt for many different reasons. The simple fact that our current POTUS is a black man does not change the fact that many blacks in this country are still descriminated against.

Same can and will be said when the first woman is elected, or the first hispanic, etc. There will always be descrimination in one form or another. The fact that one glass ceiling has been broken does not mean it will no longer occur.

Are you saying Obama had a better chance to become POTUS because he was one of the blacks that wasn't discriminated against? That some blacks can't be POTUS because they're discriminated against?

What would stop a woman from becoming POTUS? Discrimination?

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by afchic

Can we put this in the funniest quotes of the year thread?

You don't know many minorities do you?

I spent my career working with minorities who didn't snivel about their ethnicity. How 'bout you?

[Hand]

Originally Posted by afchic

Can we put this in the funniest quotes of the year thread?

You don't know many minorities do you? I know this may surprise you but there are any number of people that are descriminated againt for many different reasons. The simple fact that our current POTUS is a black man does not change the fact that many blacks in this country are still descriminated against.

Same can and will be said when the first woman is elected, or the first hispanic, etc. There will always be descrimination in one form or another. The fact that one glass ceiling has been broken does not mean it will no longer occur.

Discrimination has many meanings:

Noun:
The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
Recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.

Miriam webster even has a different definition, one not at all affiliate with race.
: the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently :

I was a very skinny child. Therefore I was rarely picked until last for pick up foot ball games. When I was a kid, I thought "I know I'm skinny, but pick me and Ill play my heart out to make up for my size". Were the team captains discriminating against me on my lack of size? Negative.

They were looking for people better qualified for the job that needed to be done.

The difference between then and now is that not being picked motivated people then to either quit or get better. Which I did. I grew up to be the captain of both the basketball and football teams at my school.

If that would have been today - I would have stomped off to my parents, stuck out my lip and told my parents that I didnt get picked because no body liked me, then my dad would have sued the school in liue of "fairness", the team captains would have gotten suspended, I would have been made the team captain and mandated that football teams had to consist of 50% skinny people, 10% girls from then on.

Can you picture the NFL today if the scouts couldn't "discriminate"?