U.S. Secret Service agents recalled from Colombia

[Tyrant]

Originally Posted by Basenshukai

Yep. We do.

It's always the same four things:

1) Booze
2) Women
3) Guns
4) OPFUND

My SGM, later CSM said prior to JCETs/CNTs, "beware of the killer B's...booze, broads, bullets"

[Basenshukai]

From ABC News Online:

" A senior administration official briefed on the accusations against the Secret Service agents pulled from duty in Colombia tells ABC News that a heated argument between at least one of the alleged prostitutes and at least one of the Secret Service agents first alerted authorities of the Hotel Caribe in Cartagena to the cavorting between Secret Service agents and prostitutes.
The argument was a dispute over the bill for services rendered, the administration official said.
Hotel Caribe authorities went to investigate the ruckus and learned that there had been some activity between Secret Service agents and prostitutes, the senior administration official said.
Hotel authorities then went down to the reception desk to see who else of the American guests may have signed in female guests - call girls - for the evening.
Initially, this official said, that inspection led the hotel authorities to have questions about 22 Americans - 17 Secret Service agents and five special operations soldiers who were there to assist the Secret Service. Their names were reported to the lead U.S. military official on the ground.
That is not to say that all 22 men had hired prostitutes, the administration official underlined. Some of those about whom the hotel raised questions may merely have been attending a party and violating curfew. Eleven Secret Service agents have been sent back to the United States. The five U.S. special forces members remain in Colombia, per the request of the Secret Service.
The State Department says that adult prostitution is legal in designated "tolerance zones" in Colombia, though restricting the sex trade to those zones has been difficult. "Sexual tourism" is reportedly widespread in Cartagena and other coastal cities.
- Jake Tapper"

[Roguish Lawyer]

(b)(2) Patronizing a prostitute.
(a) That the accused had sexual intercourse with another person not
the accused’s spouse;
(b) That the accused compelled, induced, enticed, or procured such person
to engage in an act of sexual intercourse in exchange for money or other
compensation; and
(c) That this act was wrongful; and
(d) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to
the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was
of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.

OK JAGs, when is the act "wrongful"? Is it wrongful when legal under local law?

. . . and "(d)" presumably is determined with 20/20 hindsight, right?

[kgoerz]

So one jack ass screwed it up for everyone.

Prostitutes or escort service???

[Basenshukai]

Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

OK JAGs, when is the act "wrongful"? Is it wrongful when legal under local law?

. . . and "(d)" presumably is determined with 20/20 hindsight, right?

You'd think that "d" would make the whole UCMJ book a one-page document.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by panama jack

......And the fundamental mission of an "Advance Team".......... lol

Used to be Advance Party but they had to change it - too many people taking it literally.

[Sdiver]

Are we sure that these S.S. fellas weren't on Slick Willy's detail ????

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

OK JAGs, when is the act "wrongful"? Is it wrongful when legal under local law?

. . . and "(d)" presumably is determined with 20/20 hindsight, right?

Richard covered it; mil, civ, doesn't matter. They be in deep doo-doo, because we know how serious the AG is about rule of law.

[mark46th]

"You Shoulda paid the girl and given her a nice tip!
IDIOT.... " Panama Jack

If you tip them well, the girls will give you their panties for a hat liner...

[FILO]

Originally Posted by Basenshukai

Hotel Caribe authorities went to investigate the ruckus and learned that there had been some activity between Secret Service agents and prostitutes, the senior administration official said.
Hotel authorities then went down to the reception desk to see who else of the American guests may have signed in female guests - call girls - for the evening.

I stayed at the Hotel Caribe during my traveling bachelor party 14 years ago and my future brother-in-law had made the reservations from in country. My brother-in law is Colombian so when he made the reservations the staff at the hotel assumed we were going to be Colombians. However, when myself and 3 of my gringo buddies showed up to check-in, we caused slight confusion because the staff upon realizing that we were gringos, had to change our room reservations from the "family" side to the "non-family" side of the hotel. The staff at this hotel expects unaccompanied men to engage in certain behaviors and thus they take precautions and that’s why it’s surprising to me that this incident was allowed to get out of hand and is demonstrative of the pure incompetence on the part of the senior and supervisory staff for both the SS and DOD personnel. This issue with the business women could have been handled in a discrete way and in I’m certain the staff of the hotel would have assisted in resolving it in that manner; however, I suspect the SS and DOD had two too many aquadienties and cervezas and as a result discretion was no longer an option and the press became involved.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by FILO

......and that’s why it’s surprising to me that this incident was allowed to get out of hand and is demonstrative of the pure incompetence on the part of the senior and supervisory staff for both the SS and DOD personnel........

I wished I had posted the link but I was reading an article yesterday that was talking about other than the instigating $47 dust up the rest was pure political based on slights given and taken between the US and Colombia leaders in the weeks leading up to the meetings.

Oh, the story also included Intelligence Units from Israel and their activities with the local girls.

[FILO]

Originally Posted by Pete

I wished I had posted the link but I was reading an article yesterday that was talking about other than the instigating $47 dust up the rest was pure political based on slights given and taken between the US and Colombia leaders in the weeks leading up to the meetings.

Oh, the story also included Intelligence Units from Israel and their activities with the local girls.

I don't know about the validity of those reports, but, what I do know is “Big Boy Rules” always apply regardless of your situation or location. Essentially that means if you're going to allow folks to party than you need to ensure you have designated partiers which means you have at least 1 or 2 folks who remain sober and who manage these types of situations. I don’t want to knock the entire SS culture or abilities but if they didn’t have a contingency for dealing with this type of situation from escalating to this point then the POTUS might want to reconsider his security arrangements. But hey, you do realize thats why its known as "Loco Colombia."

BTW: the biggest lesson here is NEVER, EVER try to cheat a Colombian, especially a Colombiana, you'll not only loose, but, you'll end up looking like a fool on the front page of every paper in the world, you'll end up getting fired from your job, you'll end up getting divorced or breaking up from your girlfriend and life will no longer be the same. Being I'm married to a Colombiana, I know these things and these words are verdad!

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Sdiver

Are we sure that these S.S. fellas weren't on Slick Willy's detail ????

So - re that pic - what are "prostitues" - a pair of call girls? And what do "prostitues" from South Carolina have to do with this thread about Colombian rentahoohoos?

And so it goes...

Richard

[Sdiver]

Originally Posted by Richard

So - re that pic - what are "prostitues" - a pair of call girls? And what do "prostitues" from South Carolina have to do with this thread about Colombian rentahoohoos?

And so it goes...

Richard

It's Bill's southern drawl.